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Abdulsalam20: LAUGHING IN HAUSA LANGUAGE

Keep laughing!

ALL THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED

NOTE: *ALL THESE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!
Who answered them?

BUT BECAUSE U ARE SUBBJECTIVE AND NOT OBJECTIVE

So what about you?

BECAUSE U ARE BASED ON SENTIMENT AND BEING BIAS

Really?

I SAID ALL WHAT HE SAID WAS VALID

This is where you should judge yourself.
Had it been you read the link YOU'LL SEE that Zakir failed to debate with Sam Shamoun the owner of that site.

EVEN ALI SINA THAT TRY TO PROVE HIM WRONG WAS ALSO BUSTED SO.......

Then you said you read the link I provided in my previous post...

What you don't know is that Zakir always misinterpreted statement to suit his own agenda INCLUDING Qur'an itself which has lead some SUNNI Muslims to call for his ban.

http://lubpak.com/archives/509

This is the person you put all your faith on as a reliable.
Before you misunderstood the link let me help you by quoting a part from it so that you can think well.
“He is neither an `aalim’ (scholar) nor a `mufti’ (one who gives fatwa). He is free to practice Islam as he wishes. But he should not issue fatwas from public platforms,” says Maulana Mehmood Daryabadi, general-secretary of the All India Ulema Council."

So the ball Is in your court to decide.

CONCERNING UR LAST QUESTION I HAVE ANSWERED U BUT MAYBE U SKPPED IT PLS READ MY EARLIER POSTS

A word is enough for a wise.

Alright But Op you didn't tell us how his wives help Muhammad shaped Qur'an...

tola9ja: Matt 15:23-24: "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Matt 10:23: "Their mission limited to Israelites".
Matt 1:21: "Jesus came to save his people".
Matt 19:28: "Ten disciples to judge the twelve tribes of Israel". WHO WILL JUDGE NIGERIANS AND OTHER NATIONS?
From all these proves, It is obvious that CHRISTIANITY IS MEANT FOR ISRAELITES ONLY.

Your religion confusion as lead you to this without even you notice it THAT EVEN Quran confirms that Jesus was sent to ALL HUMAN.

Abdulsalam20: WHY MISQUOTING ME?

I didn't you're the one who could not express yourself in a clear manner as you did below.

U ARE FUNNY MAN WHAT I SAID IS THAT U CANT SEE THE REAL COMMENT OF THE ANTAGONIST OF ZAKRNAIK I MEAN THE CO DEBATER UNLESS U WATCH THE VIDEO

Cleared!

AND U WENT AHEAD TO POST A LINK AND THE LINK U POSTED IS A LINK CONTAINING ZAKR NAIK CLAIM WHICH WAS ANSWERED BY UR CO CHRISTIAN

Thank God you admitted that Zakir Naik's claims were answered this now take us back to my unanswered question when I asked you, if Campbell performed woefully as your stated earlier does that mean all the point raised by Zakir valid?

Remember you didn't answer it.

Again if you read the link I provided you will see that many rebuttals were produced to Zakir claims both the one raised during the debate and not.
Even Zakir refuses to take Sam Shamoun's challenge because he knows that he propagated lie to people like you.

SO U CAN SEE U'RE ACTUALLY CONFUSE IN THE REAL SENSE

As the one who could not express himself well.

U ALSO SAID ALI SINA IS A CHRISTIAN/FREE THINKER SMH

I said so because I can't cover him up because he speaks for Christian.
But most his points were fact which everyone knows about Islam NOT because he used it to counter Zakir.

ATLEAST HE IS THE ONLY CHRISTIAN WHO TRY TO COUNTER ZAKR NAIK BY FORWARDING THE MSG TO HIM

If you actually read the link I provided you know that this statement is false because Sam Shamoun has tackled all Zakir claims like I said earlier.

AND HE WAS ALSO BUSTED JUST LYK D ANTAGONIST

Of course to you he was busted because Zakir is your master.
If you're open-minded you can tell yourself the truth.

Imaging this same Zakir is the one who claimed that the ORIGINAL Torah, Zabur and Injil have lost and the BIBLE Christian possess can't be trusted YET is the one who also bash into the GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JOHN to claim that Jesus predicted the coming of Muhammad.

How can you claimed that the fourfold gospel were written by historians WHICH ARE NOT THE TRUE GOSPEL ALLAH gave to Isa STILL PREDICT THE COMING of Muhammad?

Did John, Matthew, Mark or Luke edited the original Jesus' Gospel or the Gospel of Jesus lost finally and they only wrote it on their own?

Yet for people like Zakir, Jawal Badawi to continue fool people like you they will say THOSE GOSPELS MAY ACTUALLY contain the WORD OF GOD whereas they have already condemned the writers as fake or even just the word of an historians. SOME Muslims have even come to conclusion that John, Matthew are not the ORIGINAL WRITER OF THEIR BOOK.

YET AFTER ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS the same Book still predicted the coming of saw.

I wanted to modify my post before by adding CHRISTIAN/FREETHINKER but network is bad.
Since you've quote my post I don't need to do that again.

Abdulsalam20: I GUESS U DIDNT READ WHAT IS THERE I HAVE ALREADY VISITED THAT LINK EVEN BEFORE U POST IT FOR ME

And you said no Christian respond to Zakir's challenge.

THE RESPONSE THERE IS NOT BY THE ANTAGONIST IT IS BY UR CHRISTIAN MATE PLS CHECK IT WELL

Are you sure something is up there?
You claimed NO CHRISTIAN site! And I went ahead to give you where A CHRISTIAN site responded to the challenge and you're here falling another thing.

AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID CONFIRM BEFORE POSTING SMH!

Your problem is that you didn't read all the reply of Ali Sina you probably read his reply through Zakir's respond to his post because had it been you read it you will understand what I'm saying by calling him Christian/Freethinker. He is a Christian but also believed is freethinker that's why if your open his SITE you'll see "WE DEAL WITH HATE, NOT FAITH"

I bet it you will go back and check because you didn't know before.

Though some Christians still welcome him but I'm not subscribe with him.

Abdulsalam20: THE MAIN REASON WHY CAMPBELL STATEMENT IS HARD TO FIND ON NET IS BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW THAT CAMPBELL PERFORM WOEFULLY EVEN ON CHRISTIAMNS SITE ITS NT THERE BUT ALI SINA LATER COMMENTED ON THE VIDEO THAT DR ZAKR NAIK IS A MAGICIAN AND ALI TRIED TO DEFEND THE CHRISTIAN BUT EVERY TYN HAS BEEN RESPONDED TO

Now you said everyone knows that Campbell performed woefully. If Dr. Campbell performed woefully, does it mean that ALL the POINT raised by Dr. Zakir are valid?

The reason why I didn't subscribe to Ali Sina reply is because he's a Christian/FREETHINKER and ONLY try to reiterate with the point that ALL CHALLENGES raised by Dr. Zakir can also be used against Quran.....though he's right.....Remember my first statement in my first post.

But for you to say you can't find it on CHRISTIAN SITE is a pure lie, here is the rebuttal.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Naik/index.htm

Abdulsalam20: http://m.youtube.com/watch?rl=yes&feature=related&v=k-og6PWLTNQ&gl=NG&hl=en&client=mv-google

Copy and paste Campbell's words like you did to Zakir and stop your babbling.

If you want many link to Christian-Islam debate I can give you BUT if you want to do enough justice to your THREAD give in detail the respond of Campbell in this debate.

Abdulsalam20: I HAVE TOLD U WHERE U CAN GET IT THE VIDEO IS MORE THAN 2HR

Despite that is more than 2hrs YET could get your OWN perverted master out of it BUT to get the rebuttal of Dr. Campbell is long
I TRIED TOGET THE PDF BUT IT IS NT AVAILABLE.............U CAN DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO TOLISTEN TO IT UR SELF[/quote]Despite that is more than 2hrs YET could get your OWN perverted master out of it BUT to get the rebuttal of Dr. Campbell is long >

I TRIED TOGET THE PDF BUT IT IS NT AVAILABLE.............U CAN DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO TOLISTEN TO IT UR SELF

Don't worry I challenge you but you couldn't meet up with my challenge so it's left for you to judge yourself.

This is called a DEBATE Dr. Zakir provided his own challenge WHAT IS THE RESPOND of Dr. Campbell? simple.

Or if I tell you that "Teacher is better than Doctor" and I presented my point(s) supporting Teacher and someone copied ONLY my point(s)/presentation, CAN YOU AS A PERSON HOLD TO MY POINT ONLY AND AGREE THAT TRULY TEACHER IS BETTER THAN DOCTOR?

So I'm waiting for Campbell's RESPOND to this DEBATE from you.

I can't stop laughing at the OP, this shows how Muslims strictly follow the teaching of Muhammad "using lie to achieve their aims".
The reason I said this is because if you call this a DEBATE and you went ahead ONLY to provide the challenge QUESTIONS without providing the other part RESPOND to all these, shows how dubious you are.

I challenge you "if you can" to provide in detail the RESPOND of Dr. William Campbell in this debate then we'll know how genuine Dr. Zakir's points are.

*Remember all the challenge Dr. Zakir raised can also be used again Islam.

UyiIredia: Not back yet. Till i get myself another BB. I got mugged by some area boys.

Abdulsalam20: THAT IS WHY I SAID THE BILE IS NO MORE HOLY EXCEPT SOME FEW PART OF IT BT U CHRISTIAN SAID JESUS IS SON OF GOD AND GOD THAT HE IS NOT A PROPHET SO HOW COME U CALL HIM A PROPHET NOW AND WHO TELL U WE DID NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS JESUS IS A PROPHET BUT U PEOPLE CAL HIM GOD JESUS IS NOT DEAD U SAID HE IS DEAD(watch out for my next topic).......

You should have asked Christian before you say this trash.
"Bible is no more holy except some few part" I know you made this state to further to deceive yourself about Muhammad in the Bible, it's illogical to believe that a book that is corrupted still prophesied the coming of Muhammad.

i even follow jesus more than u think jesus condemn payment of interesr when we try to establish islamic banking with interest free loan CAN OPPOSED IT reference l- Imran {3:130} “O ye who believed! Devour not usury, doubling and quadrupling (the sum lent). Observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful.” Another message is repeated in: Surah, Al-Baqara {2:188} “And eat not up your property among yourselves in vanity, nor seek by it to gain the hearing of the judges that ye may knowingly devour a portion of the property of others wrongfully.” What does the Christian book has to say concerning Interest and Bribery? Is it really there in the Bible? Yes! Why is C.A.N against it? I don’t know……….. Then, they are the Biggest Anti-Christ that I have ever seen………….. Exodus 23:8 "And thou shalt take no bribe: for a bribe blindeth them that have sight, and ruins the cause of those who are the righteous.” Warning against Bribery! What about Interest? Let’s examine this verse again: Exodus 22:25 “If thou lend money to any of my people with thee that is poor, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest.” Similar message is also repeated in the Book of Deuteronomy: Deuteronomy 23:19 "Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother; interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of anything that is lent upon interest.” THE BIBLE SAID U SHOULD COVER UR HEAD U OPPOSE IT( 1 Corinthians 11:5, says that “Every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved) WHEN AREGBESHOLA RAISED THE ISSUE OF COVERING HEAD IN OSUN CAN OPPOSE IT WHAT AN ANTI CHRIST i know u will said it is only when they want topray pls dont children pray in school on assembly ground.....dont they pray before eating?......all christians nowadays are anti christ THE BIBLE SAID WOMEN SHOULD NOT TALK IN CHURCH U PEOPLE WENT TO ORGANISE CHOIR EVEN NOW WOMEN ARE NOW PASTORS( - I Corinthians 14:34-35: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.) JESUS PRAY U NEVER DID THAT INSTEAD U CRITICISE MUSLIMS FOR BOWING THEIR HEAD( DISCRIPTION OF SOLAT IN THE BIBLE "Ezra the scribe stood on a high wooden platform(ready for solat) that had been made for the occasion. To his right stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah. To his left stood Pedaiah, Mishael, Malkijah, Hashum, Hashbaddanah, Zechariah, and Meshullam." (Nehemiah 8:4)."And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people (imam) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:" (Nehemiah 8:5)."Then Ezra praised the LORD(takbiratul iram), the great God, and all the people chanted, "Amen! Amen!" as they lifted their hands. Then they bowed down (rukuh) and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground(sujud)." (Nehemiah 8:6).......DID U DO THIS? WHAT AN ANTICHRIST.....EVEN THOUGH U PEOPLE TAMPER THE BIBLE THE TRUTH WILL SHOW IT SELF

You believe in quranic jesus your fake prophet tells you not the one who died on the Cross for the salvation of your soul.

No wonder Allah Itself pray.

If you can't answer all my questions stop quoting me. Ok!

Abdulsalam20: ALL THIS U SAID IS RUBBISH NO QURAN OR HADITH TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM JUST LIKE I A WAYS DID

When an evidence is being provided now you'll begin to sing another song.

U JUST COPIED IT FROM CHRISTIAN WEBSITE WHERE IS UR REFERENCE

Imaging Christian website, so all what your OP say are they from Christian website or not JAMAL BADAWI an Islamic work?

ALL THIS U POSTED PLEASE ARE U AN UNDERGRADUATE OR A GRADUATE HOW WILL/DID U COPE WITH UR PROJECT

What does this has to do with issue at hand?

AFTER A VISIBLE EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO U PLS WHO IS THE DEUTRONOMY VERSE REFERRING TO

I quote you purposely because of this particular statement, is like you want to know the truth which most biased Muslim scholars always hide from their readers.

Firstly, the first thing to know is that Bible always gives the accurate and complete view within itself without throwing its reader into total darkness LIKE QUR'AN always does!

Secondly, Bible itself answers your question which Muslim scholars have hidden from people like you BUT ONLY if you'll not reject it as they do.

Lastly, I'll give detail of it begin from Jesus Himself.
1) Jesus Himself made the statement about Moses wrote prophecy about Him..."For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed ME: for he(Moses) wrote of ME." John 5:46
2) Philip is one of the disciples of Jesus Christ but before he became Jesus' disciple he said this to Nathanel ..."Philip findeth Nathaniel, and saith unto him, we have found him, of whom MOSES in the law, and the PROPHETS, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." John 1:45

3) Peter is one of the companions of Jesus Christ and he's the one who even QUOTE THE SAME Deuteronomy verbatim...."For MOSES truly said unto the fathers, A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your BRETHREN, like unto me;...Acts 3:22-23

You can see that the answer have a strong Biblical support than the twisted one done by Muslim scholars in propagating their false religion.
NOTE: The fulfilment of Deuteronomy wasn't a cook up by Christian theologians BUT a plain statement within the Bible itself.

U BETTER SAY THE TRUTH AND BE FREE

Do you know the TRUTH?

PLEASE QUOTE REFERENCE...BECAUSE ALL THIS U POSTED ARE FALACY

Many references are online, but you're already discriminating by saying "Christian website" so if someone gave it, it will just be a waste of time.

ignis: I wish I can get a detailed explanation of this... The write up looks too sketchy and it's not elaborate.

Mama kindly type it on Google. I bet it! You will tire of the one to select.

You keep dodging my questions?

Abdulsalam20: PLEASE POST THE EVIDENCE FOR ME JUST A SINGLE CONTRADICTION AND WHERE QURAN CONTRADICT SCIENCE

I don't need to do that for you, Google is your friend.

IF JESUS SAY I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH WHOEVER FOLLOW ME SHALL NOT GO ASTRAY HE IS RIGHT BUT U MIS INTERPRET HIM

Truly I misinterpreted Him but it's you who fully understood Him talking about Muhammad. SMH

WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT IF U FOLLOW HIS TEACHING U WILL NOT GO ASTRAY

You're right! and you can compare His teaching with that of your saw to see which one is the TRUTH.

WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT MUHAMMAD U DENY IT........WOO UNTO U

So how did you know Jesus talk about your saw?

malvisguy212: the more they use the bible to look for muhammad the more they make allah weaker.

Don't mind him, he couldn't answer simple question.

Abdulsalam20: as it is said in [size=14pt]revelation 14:6[/size] pls which angel is flying with the everlasting gospel that is gabriel who reveal the quran to muhammad(saw)

Angel Jibril indeed....as if you believe in the written of John himself.

and what is the ever lasting gospel that is the quran, the torah of moses and the injeel are just a warning to the bani israila just as it is said in the book of moses above that i will bring up a prophet like u from among my brethren

Yet you said the torah and the Injil have been tampered with....Now they're part of everlasting gospel! Confusion.

HIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE BIBLE IS TAMPERED WITH THE BIBLE PERMIT ALCOHOL IT EVEN CALL GOD A DRUNKARD..... psalm
78:65 then the lord awoke as from sleep as a
man wakes from the stupor of wine. See how
Christians disgrace their God,
also this Jeremiah 25:15-16 This is what the LORD, the
God of Israel, said to me: “Take from my hand
this cup filled with the wine of my wrath and
make all the nations to whom I send you
drink it.When they drink it, they will stagger
and go mad because of the sword I will send
among them.”Also in Jeremiah 25:27-28 Then
tell them, ‘This is what the LORD Almighty, the
God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and
vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the
sword I will send among you.’

Straw man argument, how does these verses relate with tampering?

SO U CAN SEE GOD KNOWS THE BANI ISRAILA WILL TAMPER [size=14pt]HIS WORD[/size]

This is where I'm going and my question you didn't answer.
1) Quran says the word of Allah can't be change but because you want to prove that Allah is a liar you said Allah's word can be change.
2) How is it possible for Allah to protect Quran from being change and difficult for Allah to prevent your Bani Israel from tampering with its word?

THAT IS WHY HE BRING US THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL WHICH IS THE QURAN NO ONE HAS EVER TAMPERED IT,

This is the lie you're being feeding with, infact not that no one tampered with quran BUT Devil himself has his own writing inside Quran called satanic verses.

NO SINGLE CONTRADICTION

Maybe your problem is you don't browse other than Islamic site where contradiction in Quran will never mention....kindly do yourself a favour by typing "contradiction in quran" on Google maybe you will see any link pop up.

EVEN UNITED STATE USE MILLIONS OF DOLLAR TO TEST WHAT THE QURAN SAY IN THE ASPECT OF SCIENCE THEY ARE LEFT WITH THEIR MOUTH OPEN BECAUSE THEY FOUND THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHY ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN UNITED STATE

Science when your book says earth is flat...
Fast growing religion on paper, why not using Nigeria as an example?

REPENT AND FOLLOW THE TRUTH

Jesus says "Ye shall know The Truth and the Truth shall set you free" John 8:32
What is this truth that we shall know?
Jesus answered the question "Jesus said unto him I am the Way, THE TRUTH, and the Life, no one come to the Father except through Him" John 14:6

Can you see who need to follow the Truth

And remember they won't share in you own judgement neither you share in theirs.

Abdulsalam20: yes some bible parts has been tampered with any aspect that contradict islamic teaching is not from GOD

Lolll....
So how can Allah be so weak to protect Bible when Allah can't allow anybody to tamper with Qur'an?

even though it has been tampered with we can still find some few traces of prophet muhammad and some few islamic teaching that ur people forgot to tamper with

Who are the people me or people who live before Muhammad or after Muhammad?
Qur'an say no one can change the word of Allah, so why Bible was tampered with?

because GOD knows that if he allows u to tamper with everything before the spirit of truth come it will be difficult for people to believe

Yet the same God who can't allow anybody to tamper with Qur'an is so weak to allow another people to tamper with Bible.
How does it sound?

The next thing Muslim will do now is to claim all the prophecies in the Bible for saw or what did you people call him?

Which Bible?
The one that contains many contradictions or the one that has been change or the historian narrated one which Christians have today according to Muslims?
Or Muslims have finally gotten the original Torah of Moses and Injil of Jesus?

Confuse people!

BERNIMOORE: why are you pained? it was nt an attack but true verified statement of facts accesible on the NL. yooguyz does not believe in God and bible anymore because bible condemn homosextuality which he practice as a priest
https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n

https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

so posting topics from the bible itself is mockery and that is what i am against, he has not denied what i posted and so, if you are not comfortable with it sorry, he's got his right to post opinion on matter so do anybody

I understand you, you try to let us know that Younguyz is not a Christian and doesn't have right to quote Bible (which he had already clarified him) BUT you as a supporter of watchtower didn't see any problem with your so called "LIGHT getting brighter society" FOR SOMETIMES quoting from a SPIRITUALIST Johannes Greber and a SKEPTIC John Parsons to support their lies.

Imaging the point the OP trying to make that an organization that claimed HOLYSPIRIT revealed all its teaching YET could not know the actual person Archangel Michael is FOR GOOD 2-3TIMES UNTIL THE FIFTH TIME.

BERNIMOORE: you once said that the bible, not only JW'S NWT but bible as a whole is for the gullible, and that 'you dont even believe in God' you have insulted God in your links below. so why quoting it again?


https://www.nairaland.com/1877993/yooguyz-confirm-atheist-status-n

https://www.nairaland.com/1881512/controversial-gay-pastor-yooguyz-fails

Why attacking Yooguyz and not the OP?

JesusisLord85: Utter rubbish!! Just a bunch of mumbo jumbo and confusion you teach. And I will spare not!

Colossians 2:16 is not about what you are supposing.
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

So you read that and think you don't need to observe sabbath. Lol. Ok, let us look at drink. Many of you so-called Christians teach alcohol is forbidden. But the verse you use to justify your sunday 'rest' is that one could easily use via the same poor interpretation to justify drinking himself stupid.

You do not understand Colossians AT ALL. Let me give you the precept!

Ezekiel 45:17 "And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel."

Paul was talking about sin and peace OFFERINGS. Christ was the lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world. Now they were being taught the Messiah is the passover lamb so they need not bring an animal to atone for their sins.

This is not saying you do not need to keep sabbath. If it were, that would make Paul a false teacher.

Passover remembers to deliverance from Egypt. They kept it for thousands of years after that.
Christ fulfilled what was written about him in the law and prophets. Even if he fulfilled whatever it is you are trying to say he did regarding the sabbath, how would that mean you no longer need to rest on the 7th day? This ordinance was meant to be observed for ever. Get that through your head.

Shalom

Do necessary adjustment on your post of those caustic words before I reply you.

Yooguyz: If you want my attention, answer me and Emusan's question

Shalom

Don't mind her

Emusan: All the words inside [……] are added by me never appear in Bible.

After several attempts of whom the Archangel Michael is, JWs has finally come to conclusion and based their doctrine on Jesus Christ be the Archangel Michael.
To all Bible students, Archangel Michael is a created being of God. In their Bible story book, JWs explained that God first created a being[God's Son] which supposedly to be an Angel Michael and this being helped God during the creation period which God later sent to the world in a person of Jesus Christ.

Was Christ truly a created being?

John 1:1-14; it's a well known Bible verses which talk mostly about Christ in reference to Him as "The Word". JWs believe that "The Word" in those verses is not God that's why they used "a god" in verse 1.

Let's see what the JWs say about "The Word" as the one created everything including archangel Michael.
John 1:3 "All things[including Archangel Michael] came into existence through him[The Word], and apart from him[The Word] not even one thing[including Angel Michael] came into existence, what has come into existence."

In this verse with the insertion of the word "APART" it's very clear that without "The Word" not a single thing came into existence which pushed "The Word/Christ" outside of creation.

*If "not even one thing came into existence without Christ", how come Christ/The Word later became Angel Michael a created being according to JWs?

Similarly, apostle Paul uses a statement to this verse in Romans,
Rom 11:36 "Because from him[God] and by[through] him[God] and to him[God] are all things...."
By separating each phrases here we can get;
1) Because from him[God] are all things
2) and by[through] him[God] are all things
3) and to him[God] are all things.

Focus on number 2, because most time Christ is included in creation in the Bible it's always in form of "by/through him"
Here all things are by/through God not that God created Christ first and then through Christ created the rest/other.

FIRSTBORN:
Because of this word FIRSTBORN JWs throw themselves into confusion which lead to a contradiction in their Bible. In Col 1:15-18, Apostle Paul made a similar statement like that of Apostle John. Let's look at those statements;
Rom 1:16 "Because by[through] (means of) him[Christ] all (other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth.... All (other) things have been created through him and for him"
Verse 17 "Also, He is before all (other) things and by[through] (means of) him all (other) things were made to exist."
NOTE: Those words inside the brackets were added to give more meaning to the setences.

Here we can see this inserted word "OTHER" in those verses.
Now, with the insertion of this word "OTHER" in the two verses it shows that Christ was first created before any other things which then put Christ into creation and also contradict John 1:3 & Rom 11:36.

Why the word, OTHER in those verses?
Because in verse 15 this phrase "the FIRSTBORN over all creation" appeared, and without fully understand this word JWs became confused whereas the firstborn here was used as a sovereignty/preeminent. If Apostle Paul means first created, he would have used the Hebrew word protoktioti rather he used the Hebrew word prototokos which means sovereignty/preeminent.

Last sentence in verse 16 of that Colossians 1 and that of Romans 11:36 together with John 1:3 compliment each other in any version except JWs version by the insertion of the word "OTHER".

CONCLUSION:
In fighting against TRINITY JWs throw themselves into pandemonium confusion changing of doctrine upon doctrine and to a contradictory statement in their Bible. Also no where in the Bible it was stated that any being helped God in creation as it was explained in their Bible story book rather Bible declared that God created everything by His Word Heb 11:3, Gen 1:2-24.
Who knows which doctrine JWs will come up with later and the Bible warn us that "In order we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching[doctrine] by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error." Eph 4:14

All the Bible references are from New World Translation.

No comment!

truthislight: You DIRTY lying hypocrite!

Who told you you dont have to open a thread to prove your points if they are the truth ?

Dont you know how to quote bible again ?

Is your lying tongue afraid to defend your points ?

There is no difference between you and that thing that you are supporting, you are both dirty and deceitful.

Go ahead and open the Dam thread and use the bible to prove the so call "lies" you talked about.

May that your "holy ghost" help you in your endeavour fellows.

Smh.

Can't stop laughing.....

What have you done with those ones I've opened before?

Like I said it's not you nor anyone will challenge me to open a thread, if you're not okay with that I'm sorry you will wait long. I will do it when I want to.

Lucario007: I believe in the fact that the world is too complex and well-crafted to have come into being on its own... yes there could be a creator.

But do I believe that this supreme creator is Yahweh? The God of the Bible? Absolutely Not.

The God of the bible is more of a capricious, malevolent bully who has committed or permitted crimes from mass murder, genocide, fillicide, infanticide to minor things like incest.

Yes, there could be a creator, but he does not interfere in the activities of man after creating the world. He just lays back and let things take its course.

Or faded out of existence.

That Creator is not Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Krishna or any other 'god' that men have made.

Then the creator you believe in, does he/she/it a conscious being or just an ordinary force?

If your answer is a conscious being!
Has this creator ever revealed him/her/itself to a conscious and intelligent human for many years of human race on earth OR was unable to do so?

If your answer is just force!
Then, how can ordinary force create an orderly universe that we can see today?

If your answer is anything else!
Kindly state it and juxtapose.

BERNIMOORE: because most of their arguments are on point! many people likes them, ie @00seven, myself and others but dont neccesarily be their member and i dont see any reason apart from your own insinuation that makes them illegal!

You call it ARGUMENT or the truth?
Again you said MOST!
So where do you belong to?

You are known for 'rephrasing or redefining statements' i am not saying that you should have problem with him at least you feel confortable with him as a trinitarian, but then you dont have a problem with when he said 'he does not even believe bible verses that you both share! its noteworthy, its your choice you ve got the right, but You DELIBERATELY play down what i put to you, by cynically changing what i mean, here is my statement which you replied again;

Show me the reason for the underline statement.

someone who does not have the same belief in Gods word! but disrespect to GODS word and i provide a proof with links, https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331
of which he did not deny; now this is not about 'criticsm of christian faith' as you put it below

I repeat I'm not concerned about Yooguyz but people like you.
Mind you Yooguyz is not the one who opened my eyes to JW deceit.

if you are not disappointed at an ordained priest like yooguyz, a catholic who 'in his own word said that he does not believe the bible verses that he is quoting, and that bible is meant for the gullible' then are you ARE A GULLIBLE? i dont expect you to answer directly, you can keep the answer

You've already identified yourself, I don't need to drag anything with you.

after all the jews and the pharisees chose the thief 'barbara' as their beloveth choice against 'jesus' so as to have jesus killed, its not new.

If yooguyz is an Atheist, will he be the first to point out his view about Christianity? absolutely NO! and someone like you can talk about Atheist but you don't want Atheist to talk about your faith...SMH

Emusan(only), kindly open a thread and invite me there and post the link on this tread, pick a (1) topic and point out where they twist scripture, then one after another lets discuss 'do not copy several allegations and paste, one after another, we can see the truth

I don't need to open a thread because I'm not a baby on NL so you can check my username and see some of my threads about their lies.
Anytime I feel like I will create a thread about them if you like comment or dodge your head.


Shalom!

Yooguyz: @Emusan, please help me ask kookolet07 to provide the scriptural basis of the 1919 doctrine that has it that Jesus chose the watchtower as the only true religion, since she doesn't respond to my posts any longer.


"In 1919 the cleansed slave class could look forward to ever-expanding activities." Watchtower 1993 May 1 p.16

"Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation." Revelation - It's Grand Climax p.18

"How long did this respite for the seed of God’s woman last? Revelation 12:6 says 1,260 days. Revelation 12:14 calls the period a time, times, and half a time; in other words, three and a half times. In fact, both expressions stand for three and a half years, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class. ... After 1922 Satan spewed out a flood of persecution against the Witnesses." Revelation - It's Grand Climax pp.184-185

She won't because she has been programmed with it.

You can even see that in one of her reply when she said "the light is getting more brighter"

irishCream: she will not answer you!!! She is busy reading one black book like that titled "reasoning from the scriptures" she will either copy vebatim from there and post here or consult few of their members that are more ground in the so called organisation. I stopped listening to them the day I found out one of their founders is an illuminati member. They don't make use of their thinking faculty rather prefer to copy exactly what their western counterpart print and send for them globally. I pay deaf ear to any man-made doctrine QED!

Don't mind her!

BERNIMOORE: i am not aware maybe JW are the only true Christian on earth, but anybody who believe in the holy scripture and have faith in God through christ jesus is a christian in my own personal defination, i am not a jehovahs witness, ok?

and since yooguys does not believe in the bible as he confessed in this link https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331, is he a christian to you and in a position to critisize those trying their best?

But you always support JW here, why?

About @Yooguys I don't have problem with him whether he criticizes Christian faith or not (if at all is an Atheist) since he won't be the first or the last BUT my main concern is people like JW who claim to be followers of Christ but always twist scriptures.

Anyway I thought you're a JW before.

BERNIMOORE: its a lie! your aim is to persuade all Christians to become like you, that is alienated from God and practice anything their mind tells them even if bible condemn it or not

when Christians criticize other christian it is acceptable according in the bible which says 'that you should reprimand so as to be sound in faith' but in your own case you dont believe in God and bible,https://www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing#15197331

Sorry for jumping into your discussion but I'm not clear with the underlined statement in your post.

Was Pentecostal and others included in your ALL CHRISTIANS or only JW you're still referring to as ALL CHRISTIAN?

Doesn't JW are the only true Christian on earth?

kokolet007: A very interesting point u have bought up, plz kindly check john 5vs 43,john 17vs6.....jesus set the example we should all imitate,that's y he told his disciple he didn't come to do his will buh of his father and also check john 17vs 3 to see how important and jesus is.

Don't dodge my question right.

John 5:43 says "I am come in my Father's name.." I believe this is the part you need.

John 17:6 says "I have manifested thy name..." this is what you need too

John 17:3 says "And this is life eternal, that they may might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" I don't know what you want from this verse.

1) How do all these answer my question?
2) I need the verse where the command appeared because if I want to deal with all these we will deviate from the topic.

This is my question again, why do your organization was called JEHOVAH witness and not JESUS witness since it's Jesus who gave the command?


So kindly provide the verse where Jesus gave the command of door-to-door evangelism.


Shalom!