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li2pac1717: Mr man, did the pope and the Vatican city said that is a lie? Am sure they know more than you. So sit and relax and think carefully.

Were you there with the pope?

The funny thing is that Muslims scholar or commentator who uses the Gospel of Barnabas to prove prophet hood of Muhammad or attest Qur'an revelation WITHHOLDING some TRUTH from h/her reader because the Gospel of Barnabas contradicts some teaching/statement of Qur'an itself THOUGH it support some.

This statement reveals the intent of this post

The book contains the Gospel of
Barnabas, a disciple of Christ, and says
that Jesus had not been crucified but
ascended to heaven alive. St. Barnabas
was an early Christian and is
traditionally identified as the founder of
the Cypriot Church.
It also says Jesus was not the son of
God but a prophet who spoke the word
of God, calling Apostle Paul “The
Impostor.”
The text maintains a vision similar to
Islam, contradicting the New
Testament’s teachings of Christianity.
The ancient book also foresees the
coming of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad
(peace be upon him).

All the underlined and bolded statements speak for themselves.

Among all the books that made all this so call Bible, why only the book of Barnabas was single out?

What are the name of other books?

Is this only the copy of the Bible that was produced or many copy?

What happened to other copy?

These and many questions to be asked by an open-minded person seeking for the truth.

Oduduwaboy: The truth is that the question of the origin of existence leaves all the sides begging for answers. When was the beginning of time? If there was nothing in the very beginning , then what is the nature of 'nothing'? If there is God...where did he come from?
If you think the above questions are simple or should not be asked then it shows why its so easy for you to accept one of a thousand religions on earth as being the right one! You are simply not thinking enough.

Actually when it comes to a question like this I've stopped discussing it with Atheist over one year now NOT that I don't have answer to them but the TRUTH is you have your own answer to each of them already.

plaetton: What the hell is an infinite being?
Please define one for us.

Did you arrive a the existence of an infinite being by inference , or by observation?

Isn't an infinite being just another one of magical things you pull right out of you bottom to explain away your ignorance?

Sorry Mr. Plaeton I don't need to dive into this with you again.

Oduduwaboy: Okay. I dont wanna say anything for now.

I've already said it earlier.

Just that it all sounds too subjective for any third party to take seriously;

Intact third part is still far, second part self might not take it serious unless if s/he had the same experience.

you know, just as no xtian takes the koran seriously

Yes no Christian who has had personal encounter with Jesus(God) will believe in Qur'an.

and this is also reciprocated by the muslim and yet both sides claim divine origin.

Not even only in Islam it also happened within the Christendom.

I challenge you to give me a testimony of any Muslim who claimed to had encounter with Allah even Muhammad never did.

Thanks though.

You're welcome.

Actually I'm not argue with you but just to share my spiritual experience with you. It's a thing you can discard or look into to take another route about knowing whether God exists or not.

GooseBaba: Why do you have to showcase your mumurity...in reality energy is everywhere. Within this conversation where did I tell you that I "believe" energy is God...?

Energy is everywhere....but was it created?
Do you believe the universe was created by an infinite Being? if Yes! who is this being?
If No! how did universe come to existence?

Like I said stop speaking for an infinite, you end up making excuses. Now you ask me to ask those people if they had a covenant with the true God..? I'm guessing by your convictions you will conclude that they did not speak to the one true God..the height of delusion. Thinking you're special in nature because you read a book and believed it's the word of an infinite...

Yes you need to ask them because a lot of claims are made on behalf of God which in reality it's not from Him.

If reading Bible alone made me believe in God I would've lost believe in God so long BUT THE TESTIMONY I GAVE ABOVE HAS PLANTED MY FEET ON THE SOLID ROCK OF ANCIENT OF DAYS.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Good and evil/bad coexist... It's not a believe. It's a fact! Abi you live in a different planet..? Heaven and hell is a believe, yahweh and lucifer is a believe..your delusion is unbecoming... No wonder atheist dey take una clean ground..

Yes I live in planet Pluto conversing with you right now from planet Utoh a planet from the fifth galaxy to our own galaxy.

I repeat you made to believe the above statements....
so continue to live by it.

Whatever an Atheist like they should do, it doesn't make black white nor white black.

tola9ja: Quran And Biblical Verses That support 5 articles of faith
NoIslam No Paradise
1. Believein oneness of God
Q-41:6
Say {o muhammed S.A.W} I am only a human being
like you.and it revealed tome that your God{ALLAH} is one
therefore take straight path to him
Q-112:1
Say {o muhammed S.A.W} he is ONE
B-mark12:29
Jesus answered ‘’the first is ,’hear,o isreal :the lord our
god,the lord is one
B-deuteronomy6:4
Hear o isreal :the lord our god isone
2. salat(worship)
Q-22:77
O you who have believe bow down and
prostrateyourselves and worship your lord do good things that
you may be successful
Q-29:45
Recite {o muhammed S.A.W} what have beenrevealed
to you of the book{Quran}and perform salat
B-Nehemiah8:4-6
And ezra thescribe stood on a wooden pulpit which they had
made for the purpose; and besidehim stood mattihi’ah
shema,anaiah,uri’ah,hilki’ah and pedai’ah,mish’a-
el,malchi’jahhashum,hashbad’danah,zechariah and meshul’lam
on his left hand and ezra openedthe book in the sitght of all the
people and when he opened it all the peoplestood.ezra blessed
the lord the great God and all the people answered amenamen,
lifting up there hands and bow there heads and worship the
lord withtheir face on the ground
B-numbers 20:6
The moses and aaron went from the presenceof assembly to
the door of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces and
theglorify lord appeared to them
B-genesis 17:3
then Abram fellon his face and god said to him
B-matthew26:39
And going alittle farther he fell on is face and prayed
B-revelation 7:11
And all the angelstood round the throne and round the elders
and the the four living creaturesand they fell on their faces
before the throne and worshipped God saying ameenblessing
and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honour and power
and migthbe to our God for ever end ever Amen
3.Giving Alms to poor{zakat}
Q-9:60
As-sadaqat{zakat} are only for the fuqara{poor}andmiskin
{poor}
B-mark12:41
And he sat downopposite the treasury and watched the
multitude putting money into the treasurymany rich people also
put in large amount
4. fasting in themonth of RAMADAN
Q-2:185
The month oframadan in which was revealed the Quran
aguidiance for mankind and clear proof for the mankind and
guidance and criterionwhoever of you sight the crescent of the
first night of month(ramadan) he mustobserve fast
B-jeremiah 36:9
In the fifth yearof jehoi’akim the son of josi’ah king of judah in
the ninth month all thepeople in jerusalem and people who
came from the cities of judah to jerusalem proclaimeda fast
before the lord
5.Hajj pilgrimageto mecca
Q-3:97
In it are manifest sign the mecca place ofibrahim(abraham)
whoever enter it attain security .and the pilgrimage to meccais
a duty that mankind owes to ALLAH those who can afford the
expenses andwhoever disbeliev(i.e denies hajj prigrimage to
mecca)then he is a disbeliverof ALLAH
then ALLAH standnot in need of any of All mankind wealth
B-isiah2:2
Now it will come about that In thelast days The mountain of the
house of the LORD Will be established as thechief of the
mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the
nationswill stream to it.

Always acting as a programmable computer....garbage in garbage out......

How does this trash answer my post?

GooseBaba: If a traditionalist gives such testimony about God would you embrace it as the work of an infinite being..?

A traditionalist doesn't need to give such testimony about h/her gods because I know they exist.
At least a traditional still believes that supernatural being do exist unlike you that believe in Energy.

This is why atheist mock "GOD"...

Just continue with it....since the time you've been doing, does it erase doubt from your mind?

you all are always eager to explain the work of infinity through supernatural submission.

He who doesn't have supernatural experience won't know that supernatural do exist....Younguz a NLder.

You totally ignore realities. No one is safe from lifes curve ball.

The promise of God for me, my families & friends in above testimony solves your problem.
Mind you it doesn't mean that I won't die again but just to prove His True Existence & Only God.

People give testimonies about God telling them that they and their families are safe from accident or random mishap. But when such befalls them they make excuses. God knows best, he gives he takes, you cannot question God, his ways are not our ways.. Etc.. Opening doors for more mockery...

Ask those people, is it the true God that gave them the promise? because the true God is a covenant keeping God.

When abrahmist stop speaking for an infinite or feeling special, then an atheist will have nothing to question.

If you like continue to question from now till tomorrow it doesn't make God NOT to be God again, you won't be the first or the last.

Good and evil must coexist, life happens..!

As you made to believe.

Oduduwaboy: In what way did God reveal himself to you? i really wanna know .seriously . I have met many who claim to have met god only for them to unravel under close scrutiny; i hope you will not be like one of them.
Eagerly waiting for the epiphany .

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

Oduduwaboy: Most likely you are a pastor.

I'm not a Pastor but a finite being who has experienced supernatural.

Thank you for the detailed response.

You're welcome for being so open-minded to see it.

I do not know your own idea of God;

My first own idea of God isn't different from the way you're viewing it now NOT UNTIL God revealed Himself to me.

My idea of God now is that God is real and everything about Him is true.

but what i was thought from infancy was that we have an ALMIGHTY , omniscient ,omnipotent & omnipresent God who decides ALL affairs of the ' children of men'.

About these attributes of God I will say you're right but ALL affairs of children of men I won't agree with you because SIN (an acronym for Satan's Influence over Nature) has separated man from God.
God has made it known to us that after the incident of Eden Good and Evil have both mixed up BUT there's a tiny machine called CONSCIENCE that can separate these two.

I therefore do not understand how this God can stand aside while the Devil ( another imaginary being ) & his agents wrecks havoc on His handiwork who are ' beautifully and wonderfully made

Me too but I remember in His word He said "For the creature was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY but, by the reason of Him who hath subjected same in HOPE." Rom 8:20

Notice these, NOT WILLINGLY, the bolded & underlined words.

I actually wish there is God but evidences from daily events prove to me time and time again that God is no more than wishful thinking.

Ordinary wishful act can't create God and it will only bring the idea that man created God as Atheist do normally say BUT the fact is that If we should all assume that God truly exists then we should assume also that MAN can't design how this God may be known RATHER it's only Him who can design how MAN will know Him.

I will leave you with this statement from a fellow Nairalander called Younguz "If you have never had supernatural experience you won't believe that supernatural do exist"

I don't think you can do better than me if I had become an Atheist but God helped me even in the sinful life I'm living then by revealing Himself to me.

I am a finite being with a finite mind trying to explain an infinite mind and being of God, so my post is opened to correction but not a bashing.

tola9ja: Matthew21:11 and the crowds said this is the prophet jesus from nazareth of galilee. Mark6:3-4 is not this the carpenter the son of mary and brother of james and joses and judas and simon and are not his sisters here with us? And they took offence at him .and jesus said to them A prophet is not without honour except in his own country and among his own kin and in his own house. Luke24:19 and he said to them what things? And they said to him concerning jesus of na*reth who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before god and all the people

@Bold-You've shot yourself in the legs by agreeing with Bible that Jesus is THE PROPHET Moses said he will be like him.
Remember many Muslim scholars have erroneously attached that prophecy to Muhammad.

5 Facts about Jesus that clearly mention in the Qur'an but Muslims find themselves confused about.

1) The Messiah:- Although Qur'an and Muhammad only know about one Messiah but Muslim objection to this is to go to Holy Bible and say after all Jesus is not the only person called messiah in the Bible.
Christian reply: Yes! we know but both Bible and Qur'an testify that there's only ONE PERSON called THE MESSIAH (Al-Malsah).

2) The Virgin Birth:- To Muslim this is just another supremacy/miracle of God to create whatever He wills by comparing Jesus' birth with Adam & Eve creation.

Firstly, Adam & Eve need to be created that way because no human on earth.

Secondly, the claim will rather show the weaker part of God for given mankind such a sign which can't be verified like THE EMPTY TUMB OF CHRIST. Intact Allah has to used another miracle to make an unbelievers who challenge Mary by making an infant Jesus to speak(according to Qur'an)

Lastly, why would God override His own law after He has put into action the motion of sex.ual reproduction law in the case of Jesus?
The answer can be found in both Qur'an and Bible "The child is Holy and free from inherited a sinful nature of man"

NOTE: To Christian the virgin birth doesn't make Christ the Son of God BUT CHRIST as a Son of God must be born by a Virgin.

3) Sinless:- Both the Bible and the Qur'an attest to sinless life of Christ which TEST OTHER PROPHET NEVER PASS but some Muslim in other to deny this they say Muhammad never sin or anywhere Quran says Muhammad should ask for forgiveness is for Muslim (believers) or some small sin but Qur'an and hadith did mention that Muhammad is a sinner who needs to ask for forgiveness.

4) The word of God:- To Christian (including anti-trinitarian) agreed that Jesus is The Word of God but Muslims objection to this is to say Qur'an only called Jesus "a word of God" not the very word of God.
Why this objection? because Muslims have already claimed Qur'an to be the very word of Allah which they believed it's not created.
But if their claims were true then it means Jesus isn't created and preexisting His birth because some verses and hadith confirmed Jesus to be the very word of God.

5) The Spirit of God:- The rejection to this also similar to number 4 but some verses and hadith also confirmed this about Jesus.

NB:- I didn't quote any verse from Qur'an or hadith or any comment from Muslims commentator because I'll create a thread on this but these are just a summary of it.


Shalom!

Oduduwaboy: Evidence is mounting to support the view that it was a mistake by the Pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country . They confused the passenger jet for a military Ukrainian Jet ! The details are still unfolding.

@Underlined statement,
do you still believe despite the advancement in technology that an aircraft with over 200 passengers can be mistaken for military craft?

What is the size of military craft and that of commercial craft?

Now this deliberate act for SELFISH INTEREST and gain of POLITICAL power, all you can do is to blame God.

Now, why could God not prevent this gory occurence from happening?

Why man in the first place ALWAYS DESIRE TO DO EVIL?

There were 'sinless ' babies on-board . What is the Use of an 'Omniscient & Omnipotent ' God

How do you even know some can sin or sinles
Couldn't the SELFISH man use his only power of intelligence to reason that sinless & innocent soul are the one in air?

who can not prevent terrible but avoidable accidents like this from happening ?

You also agreed that it's an accident, can also agree with me that it's a deliberate act?

He/She must be a totally unethical , immoral and infact an amoral god if he truly exists.

A being who carried out this deliberate act must be a selfish, cruel, having no conscience and value for human life.

My point is to open the eyes of millions once again to the futility of believe in a god who cares for us.

Have you opened your own eyes before open someone else?

Humanity holds the key to its continued existence on this earth.

With this your statement, we can infer that man can continue to be SELFISH, an act that can cause lost of millions souls and properties.

Have ever even looked at a situation like this and asked yourself, why man by nature so selfish?

Maybe your Atheistic life couldn't allow you to reason that way rather than using it as an avenue to criticized God more.

Randomness and probability to a large extent ,direct the course of our lives.

Then why blaming God for what man chooses to do out of his own choice?

tola9ja: christianity is created by a human being

You, Muhammad & Allah seem to be confused. If not why would Allah says "If Christians believe in God and the last day they have reward with Allah"?

If Christianity is a man made, why Allah couldn't says it boldly in the Qur'an?

that is the fact jesus practice islam.

Why you as a Muslim don't Baptise in water as Jesus did?
why you as a Muslim don't prayer to God by lifting up your eyes to the heaven as Jesus always do?
why you as a Muslim don't call God 'FATHER' as Jesus do?

If your answer to these questions is another thing then you've been deceived to believed Jesus practice Islam.

islam is the only religion that will be accept by ALLAH

The way Allah find it difficult to expressed him/her/itself in human language making it/him/her mixed FIRST PERSON PLURAL with THIRD PERSON PLURAL is what affecting you not to know when not to use MODULAR VERB as you used it here.

is it Islam is the only religion that WILL BE accepted by Allah or only religion accepted by Allah?

with a lot of evidence bible and quran

If not because you're confused. which BIBLE AGAIN CONTAINS this evidence, is it the one you said it's not the word of God or the one Muhammad read during his lifetime?

larrymoore: u don't see beyond what ur pastor tells u.

This is how far you can go to answer simple question.

Let me ask you again, Is Allah also an author of confusion about different sect in Islam?

Which sect did Muhammad belong to?

larrymoore: God is not an author of confusion, why are his people divided?

The funny part of your post is that Islam is also in confusion over many sect.

Does Allah also an author of confusion?
Why people of Allah divided?

You never remove the moth in your eyes you're seeing another person.

One thing that I always thank God for is that God allows me to know all my grandparents and God still kept their soul up till now.

But my grandma (mother side) took the lead over others because she's so wonderful and a god to me.

kai I can't stop loving and thinking of you IYA Deji.....cherish you more than any woman in the whole world.

Lordabas: I once asked my uncle who is a religious leader that question and he told me that no one has an answer to it

Many people have answers to it but depends on whom you ask, using NO ONE is wrong.

You've to know that the word FORM/MADE/CREATE are human term to refer to anything that its origin can be traced to BEGINNING.

It simply means anything that has beginning was formed/made/created

To God (if God should use our human term) the word CREATE/MADE/FORM is everything that come into existence through God.

Everyone believes that the universe which comprises of both matter, antimatter and energy came into existence ONE day either through Big bang (according to scientist) or Creation (according to Bible). Then if we should go by creationist that is THE UNIVERSE was created, do you expect God to be part of creations? Absolutely NO! I used this as an example because NO HUMAN CAN THINK OUTSIDE OF UNIVERSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE USES OF THOSE WORDS.

Finally, even these words lost their true meaning when it comes to ENERGY because "ENERGY is neither CREATED nor DESTROYED.....", which means ENERGY is eternal (No beginning or end) and THIS IS THE BELIEVE OF ATHEIST TOO.

The ironic part of if it is that those who have such believe about ENERGY always FORCE these words to apply on GOD THE CREATOR.

Whereas God has revealed who He was through the name He told Moses I AM THAT I AM, don't be surprised that the complete meaning of this name which is I AM(before the universe was) THAT (after there's no more the universe) I AM (still existing) perfectly fit over the creation of the universe.

IN SHORT: the words create/form/made start with TIME/are inside TIME whereas God is beyond TIME.

Rilwayne001: @emusan, i'll reply you later am very busy ryt now

Don't even border to reply because your comments always show that you don't want to tell yourself the truth.