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@Evilbrain

Actually, they will both evolve from a common cell because all lives started from a single cell by atheist. If we should go back to 'mazaje' plant organisms are the one that started oxygen in the atmosphere but when both plant and animal evolve from a single organism, how does animal organism survive without oxygen because it needs oxygen to live?

mazaje: Nice words of advice for Emusan. . .

If reading scientist materials either books or through internet together with Bible that make me a Christian then I would have become an atheist long time ago. Humans cannot find God thruogh his own way rather through God's way, the way of God is very clear to those who seek it. While you seperate website you can visit, I read through all site because I have the greatest evidence of God's existence in me. No amount of information I can read in this life that can change my worship to God even if the most greatest man of God in this world join atheist today; simply because I have searched for God and I have seen Him personally (I know you may say the the Bible says nobody can see God, what I mean is that I have found God's truth). He exist! I'm only here to let you know that there're some flaws in information you read online that might make you believe there's no God.

Many Christians have turn to Atheist, Christian to Muslim, e.t.c just because they can't search for the truth. Jesus said something before He died in, "John 14:16- And I will pray the father, and he shall give another Comforter [which is Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever" After this He said again in verse "17-Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" what Jesus said here is the major problem of many Christians today because they didn't search for the Holy Spirit and allow the Holy Spirit to dwell in them.
People that have failed to noticed this among them still remain under Christians do anything they like but they still go to church every sunday, while the rest have turned to atheist or other religion. If Jesus Christ can promise us Holy Spirit and some people can truly show the evidence for Holy Spirit then His ministry must be true. I can't force you to believe in God and His son I only try to show you the truth, I'm not a pastor but believer in God's word and His existence
Matt 24:16-And the gospel(truth) of the kingdom shall be preached to all nations, then end shall come.

Evil Brain: Yes there is. And even better, there are organisms alive today representing every step in the transformation from unicellular heterotrophs to unicellular photoautotrophs to colony-forming autotrophs to simple multicellular autotrophs to complex multicellular autotrophs, commonly known as plants.

all what you put up there are under Chromalveolates-Historically, many chromalveolates were considered plants , because of their cell walls,photosynthetic ability, and in some cases their morphological resemblance to the land plants ( Embryophyta ). And this chromalveolates is found under eukaryote-A eukaryote is an organism with a complex cell or cells, in which the genetic material is organized into a membrane-bound nucleus or nuclei. Eukaryotes (also spelled "eucaryotes" comprise animals, plants, and fungi—which are mostly multicellular - as well as various other groups that are collectively classified as protists (many of which are unicellular). In above definition they are both organism with a complex cells not that they evolve from one cell. your claim is that both animal and plant evolve from a unicellular organism.

You really should try and stop. You're just making yourself look silly.

Why you make yourself look brilliant by not understanding message before you post it.

Please, stop! This "increase in genetic information" stuff is nonsense. Genes and even entire chromosomes get added, deleted and duplicated all the time in nature. Polyploidy in plants like apple trees, bananas and wheat is just one example of how this can happen.

You never get it what evolutionist claim is that organisms evolved from orgainsms through error in genetic information called 'Mutations'. The hardest fact about mutations is that it haappens within organism not to form another organism. Virus cannot mutate to non-virus, organism cannot mutate to non-organism. Go and read more about mutations.

Please stop reading creationist nonsense. If you want to learn science, read materials written by scientists, not religious fanatics promoting an agenda.

See my reply with mazaje down.

mazaje: The fact that scientist do not know exactly how life started does not mean god. . .God is just your default position for you do not know. . .Even the creation accounts in genesis is wrong and demonstrably false. . .There are no atheist scientist, just scientist. . .

Then if LIFE couldn't start on earth or space, where life come from?

Because you rejected Bible it can't be true but God can't lie, He witnesses about all His creations.

Not all scientist support evolution, hope you know that?

OP please change that TITLE and also phone the source editor to do also because "Boko Haram are terorrists".

mazaje: The fact is all living things will not die off once the ozone layer is off. . .many living things have thrived without the ozone layer, the ozone was formed as a result of oxygen that was released by living things. . .

It is not if, life has already been found in such conditions. . .

Sure. . .The suns gravitational pull played a major role in the formation of all the planets. . .Scientist have measured the age of the sun and it is older than that of the earth. . .

The bible is an ancient book of mythology. . .

God is in control of what?. . .

Enough for your tautology post.

Miler-Urey's experiment to simulate how life might have originated in early earth gave atheist scientist strong evidence to prove that life truly would have originated from land and it was published in many biology textbook, that scientist have shown how life could have started in early earth without telling people what they actually preoduced. Though their intention isn't to create life but to show how life could have started. Later when the experiment was critically observed. They discovered that all molecules tend to distroy in the presence of oxygen, which brought the idea of no-oxygen in early atmosphere and when it was shown if atmoshpere never has oxygen Ozone layer could not form and chemical process can't take place, they resort to change the story by saying life didn't start on LAND but in the ocean despite that what Miler-Urey actually produce was a mixture of two type of amino's Why all life use only one type amino and the reason why all living things choose only one type is still a mystery. Then atheist scientist begin to change the case and claim life started in the ocean, again when the effect of HYDROLYSIS (means water splitting) on molecules was brought to light they were dumbfolded. Later some rise up again and state it clearly that life didn't start from earth it starts in space and find its way into earth through metoers falling, there another problem arises "if life started in space our planet shodn't be the only one to hold life" other planets should have life as "natural process or survival of the fitess" should be transfer equally in the universe but the only life they could only find is an organism in planet Mars, then we ask why this organism have not evolve into a big complex nature or does this mean Mars was created thousands of years ago or it is only earth that natural selection apply? Then the organism found on Mars was discover to use other type of amino that lives on earth rejected.

If you argue from now till tomorrow atheist scientist don't know actual place that life originated from.
These are the only possible way they have, then search you heart and mind very well and ask yourself if they truly know and sure about what they claim, why many assumption, why not be one and rest their evidence with it? Remember life from space or in the ocean doesn't have any experimental support just a continous assumption on what Miler-Urey did.

If you want to argue again pick another fact from my OP and let discuss it.

mazaje: It says many life forms an NOT all life forms. . .I said oxygen it self which ozone is its by product was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. There will be some for of life on earth without the ozone. So stop lying. . .

I know you're a very sharp person, why did you ignore this one? "If this happened, cancer would break out and all of the living civilizations, and all species on earth would be in jeopardy (Geocities.com, 1998)."

Stop lying, it can, oxygen at a time was not in the atmosphere, same with ozone. . .Ozone was formed as a result of oxygen molecules reactiing with ultraviolent light. . .You keep repeating one lie after the other. . .Life exist in very extreme places. Bacteria have been found living inside volcanoes already, they inhale methane. They have adapted to living in very extreme environment. . .Life was already on earth before the ozone layer was formed. It only became more abundant after the ozone layer was formed.

Keep repeating the same thing.

I kow all this, the bottom line is life already exist inside extreme places like volcanoes and under the oceans where there is no sun light, no oxygen, and where there is extreme heat and pressure. . .

If life can be found in this conditions then Mercury, Venus, and other planets suppose to have life in them.

Why won't it work?. . .The sun is actually what created the earth, the sun's gravitational force is what makes the earth to even rotate on its own axis. . .the earth gets most of its energy from the sun. . .The earth's atmosphere consist of gases that were emmited as a result of the chemical reactions that took place during its formation and as the earth cooled down after it was formed. The all took place in the presence of the sun.

Likewise Sun created other planets.

If we are to go by the nonsense written inside the bible that the earth was created before the sun, then what kept the sun in orbit and where did the plants get their enegry for photosysnthesis from?

Get inspire to read Bible not like the way you read evolution book before post them.

The tempreture of earth fluctuates a lot. . .There was a time where most of the earth was covered in ice. . .As the earth changes, life also changed and adapted. . .An asteriod big enough to destroy all human life just passed the earth last week, if it had hit the earth most life forms will die, but i believe that new life forms will form again after a very long time. . .

Even why earth's surface was covered with ice you don't despite that I main mention of it two times.

I have explained this in my reply to Evilbrain page 1 also in post you quoted. Can we see the video of the asteriod? It can't even try it because God is in control.

mazaje: LOL! First you claimed that ozone can not be seperated from the atmosphere which is false now you are asking more questions. . .The ozone layer protects most of the Sun's UV radiation. Ozone is actually dangerous. When car exhaust and other things cause the production of ozone gas near the surface of the earth, it pollutes the air and causes health problems. . .Living things will be affected badly without the ozone layer, but it doesnt mean that all life will end without the ozone layer. . .

I'm very sorry for you. Anyway you said you're not an evolutionist you just believe evolution by faith.

"Ozone layer protect all lives not some."

"The ozone layer is essential for human life. It is able to absorb much harmful ultraviolet radiation, preventing penetration to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet radiation (UV) is defined as radiation with wavelengths between 290-320 nanometers, which are harmful to life because this radiation can enter cells and destroy the deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) of many life forms on planet earth. In a sense, the ozone layer can be thought of as a 'UV filter' or our planet's built in sun's screen (Geocities.com, 1998). Without the ozone layer, UV radiation would not be filtered as it reached the surface of the earth. If this happened, cancer would break out and all of the living civilizations, and all species on earth would be in jeopardy (Geocities.com, 1998). Thus, the ozone layer essentially allows life, as we know it, to exist."

So if there's no ozone layer life is not possible on earth and all your claim since is that early earth's atmosphere has no oxygen.

It can't be seperated from atmosphere it forms together with substance that made up atmosphere. If there is no ozone layers in atmosphere it's not that lives at risk alone but the temperature of the earth will increase which will bridge the equillibrium between warming and cooling system of the earth that keeps atmosphere in balance. If not, the temperature of the earth will rise and cause many catastrophy (i.e volcanic erruption, which will continue to keep both inner core and surface temperature to increase) to the extent that atmosphere will fall down like what happen in first formation of atmosphere at early earth when the whole earth's surface was covered with ice-According to cosmologist.

Then tell me if atmosphere formed in the presence of the sun, do you think it can work? Just tell yourself the truth.

The only thing that can make it happen is that if cosmologist can claim that early sun doesn't powerful or contians some harmful rays as it is now then life can form and atmosphere can form too. If not, nothing can happen earth will remain hot.

mazaje: Life could not start on earth, yet you believe that some god some where created things using words, eh?. . .How does word change to living things?. . .You also believe was created from mud, how does mud convert to living cells. . .Can you give me the chemical equation that changes dust to living cells?. . .

If life could not start on earth, where life come from?

because life exist which we can see everywhere, so it must have an origin.

mazaje: Ozone is part of the atmosphere but there was a time the earth had no ozone layer. You CAN separate them, we can destroy the earth ozone layer now if we want to and other parts of the atmosphere will still remain. .Ultraviolet light striking these oxygen molecules in the atmosphere created the ozone. Before oxygen , there was no ozone layer in the atmosphere. . .

Infact and I don't even know I'm wasting my time with the most brilliant atheist in the world.

@color-I will ask you again and if you know you can't answer it then just quit. What is the purpose of ozone layer in the atmosphere? mazaje "if will destroy ozone layers, atmosphere will remain but what will happen to all living things on earth?" please, answer meeeeee

Many life forms do not need oxygen, plants do not need oxygen to survive. . .Stop peddling this myth. . .

If not because you have shallow brain, you said plants do not need oxygen to survive yet you said in your provious post that both plants and animals evolve from one unicellular organism. Let agree plants don't need oxygen what of animals that depend solely on oxygen when both evolve from the same unicellular organism. It means animals will die only plants will survive.

Leave atheism it doesn't favour you.

They need to provide many evidence, god did is means nothing at all, it is only a claim. . .

So want them to claim omni-scient and all-powerful being where will they get such power from?

The major problem you have is you mix everything up and think only atheist are the one responsible for all the functional things will enjoy today.

Ben cardson is the best neurosurgeonist in USA yet is a christian. Christians study evolution, geology, e.t.c

mazaje: Let it happens first?. . .It has happend many times already. . .Educate me about mutations since you claim it is noit actually so. . .

Let's talk about the issue on ground, if life could not start through chemical processes others assumptions about life migth not be true as we see it.

Hope you have read more about 'hydrolysis' for your life starting in ocean.

because LIFE could not have started on land and ocean some athesit scientist have proposed that LIFE started in the space and enter into earth through meteors rocks.

Did you know all these? Even life from space is in question too. So as at today atheist scientist don't know where life originated from.

Leave atheism and search for wisdom.

mazaje: You don't want to learn. . .Are you talking about atmosphere or ozone?. . .The earth's atmosphere was there when the first living organisms came about, I told you many organisms do not need oxygen to survive. . .Oxygen is not the only gas in the earth's atmosphere and many living things do not require it to survive. . .Why don't you want to learn?. . .

@bold-Ozone is part of atmosphere, you can't seperate them.

@color-Is not that others atheist didn't view this thread but because it pass their level they decided to keep silent. The more you try to explain yourself the more you expose your ignorance.

If atmosphere was always there without Ozone layers, 1. what is the purpose of ozone layer in the atmosphere?
2. Why NASA is complaining about 'global warming' that is atmosphere is lossing some of its protective layers i.e ozone, due to high rate of greenhouse-gas emission?
You need wisdom man.

Life cannot start with oxygen, life cannot start with no-oxygen.

Creation scientist are not scientist. They claim the earth is 6000 years old without telling us how the measured or calculated it. . .They claim the earth was in existence before the sun without telling us how the earth was in orbit without the sun. . .They keep making claims without providing ANY evidence, they only evidence is the bible which is a book of myths and not a scientific book. . .

When they believe God created everything which evidence do they need provide again? It is atheist that believe in non-existence of God that need to provide evidence which they can't provide.

mazaje: What are you saying?. . . Mutations produces are errors which manufacture alternative genes that may not already be in a gene pool, making it an advantage. Example lets assume that one day, a baby of an animal is is born that has a longer nose compared to the others as a result of mutation and the long nose gives it the ability to dig for bugs easier. This, of course, not only increases its chances for survival, but it also introduces a new allele that wasn't there before. Since this animal's chances for survival are higher due to its ability to find bugs, it will have offspring that carry its long nosed allele. This leads to a chain effect can cause a new breed that only have long noses and thus a new species. . . .That is how it works based on my understanding. . .

Let it happen first. Base on your understanding but it was not so actually.

mazaje: Brother, you don't want to learn. . .Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. That was how oxygen came about, it was a waste product of other organisms. . . .Ultraviolet light striking these oxygen molecules created the ozone. . ..

Your ignorant is alarming!
Answer this question if our atmosphere vanish now, what will happen to earth including organism?
What happen before this your organic molecules produce oxygen, when Sun always there?

They are not scientist but religious people that go about using the knowledge they have gotten through science to further their religion. . .They are not scientist but theologians. . .Tell me, what workable theory have they proposed, these cretion scientist of yours?. . .What scientific knowledge have they added to the world of science what invention have they made from their creation science?. . .Let me give you an example, drugs have been made using the principles of evolution, tell me one thing that has been made using the principle of creation science. . .

What are the criterial to be a scientist?

mazaje: According to scientist they evolved as a result of many factors like mutation and adaptation. . .Natural selection. . .

Go and read more about Mutations

Mutations cannot cause gain in/new genetic information instead it causes loss in genetic information.
For organism to evolve to organism it needs new/gain new genetic information.

mazaje: You keep spewing ignorance, first you claimed that the earths atmosphere can not be formed in the presence of sun light. . .Now you are talking about ozone layer. . .From wikipedia. . . Ozone in the Earth's stratosphere is created by ultraviolet light striking oxygen molecules containing two oxygen atoms (O2), splitting them into individual oxygen atoms (atomic oxygen); the atomic oxygen then combines with unbroken O2 to create ozone, O3

You even try to do a little research. Now listen to yourself: by mazaje from wiki "Ozone is formed by ultralviolet rays stricking oxygen" then where did that oxygen come from, when the atmosphere had no oxygen? You just shot ypurself in the leg, why can't you read what you copy first with an open mind before you paste?

There is nothing like atheist scientist. . .There are just scientist. no muslim scientist, jewish scientist, hindus scientist or atheist scientist. . . .According to scientist life started in water, your claim that scientist can't give a specific answer is false. . .

But do you believe that some scientist are called creationist scientist?


Base on life started in the ocean go and read more about HYDROLYSIS you will know that molecules cannot come together with the effect of hydrolysis.

@everybody
This thread is not base on LIFE only don't forget there are many facts stated above. Just let me grant you life started under no oxygen atmosphere.

How does the ozone layer in the atmosphere form?

because you can all agree with me that if our atmosphere should vanish now everything on earth would be disrtoyed.

Anyway what you're arguing about have been noticed by some atheist scientist that's why they later said Life started in the ocean.

Till today scientist can't give a specific place where life start.

Evil Brain: No animals didn't evolve from plants. I don't know where you are getting this idea from.

Both animals and plants evolved from more primitive ancestors. Most likely, plant-like protozoans first appeared when an ancestor organism fused with a cyanobacteria it was living in symbiosis with to form a photosynthetic eukaryote. The cyanobacteria would then have become an endosymbionte, i.e, the green chloroplasts we see in all plant cells. Multicellular plants then evolved from colony-forming photosynthetic protozoans. (Examples of living organisms at all these stages exist today in case you want to start arguing, so don't bother).

This would explain why chloroplasts have their own DNA and reproduce independently with their own RNA and proteins. It also explains why chloroplast DNA is so much more similar to that of cyanobacteria and eubacteria than it is to the regular plant DNA.

Incidentally the same applies to the mitochondria that exist in each and every eukaryotic cell known. We all have tiny bacteria living inside our cells. And there is no way we can survive without them.

@firstbold-please is there any fossil evidence for plant-like ancestor? I just can't stop laughing. Always remember that for organism to evolve and have a different physical look it needs a gain in genetic information not a loss in genetic information.

@secondbold-if they exist why can't we see common ancestor to form from them?

Avicenna: YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

animal evolve from plant and then the dinosaurs evolve from bacteria while the viruses rose from the white man's lab and ascended into human's organs where it lives today.

okay?

Give me the evidence that support your claim.

See your life Evil brain says NO!

mazaje: I don't know. . .Am not an evolutionist. . But they said animals evolved from unicellular organisms not plants. . .

You're not an evolutionist yet you know animal evolve from unicellular organisms.

Remember unicellular organism as your claim above shows that they survive through CO2. Then how animal now evolve and survive with oxygen?

mazaje: The first organisims that came to life according to scientist were unicellular organisms and they did not require oxygen to survive. . . Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. photosynthetic prokaryotic are plant like already. . .I don't know when they evoled to animals. . .I was just debunking your claim about life not existing without oxygen. . .Even plants which are living things do not need oxygen. . .

I agree with you they are unicellular but answer this simple question. Did animal evolve from plant?

mazaje: Some times you just have to try. . .

I can see, so you mean the first primodal germ that life evolve from produce plant's life first before animal's life?
Then when did organism change to plant and plant to animal?

mazaje: So your believe the bible when it says that the earth was created before the sun?. . .Which evidence showed that the atmosphere can not form in the presence of the sun? . . .What are you saying?. . .

No I believe in big bang because I quoted from it.

The one I have explained above.

plaetton: OMG.
How does anyone argue with such kindergarten ignorance?.
These are the kind of baloneys you sell to sunday school children.

It took the earth 4.7 billion years to reach it's current stable orbit. In that period different life species have come and gone. Infact humans have been on the earth for a very small fraction of the time that dinosaurs spent on earth.

It is extremely ignorant to say that most of the universe is full of flaming gases and cold desolation?
How many Earth-like planets have been discovered over the past two years alone?
Am sure that you are not counting.

when the right combination of factors are present, chance events occur that make it possible for other chance events to occur.
That is why it has taken 4.7 billion years to reach where we are.
But ofcourse, you believe that the earth is 6000yrs old, so why I am even wasting my time.

This post is just too silly.
Why is it only in Africa that one finds this type of thinking in this age?

I know atheist are the most brilliant in the universe no wonder they keep deluding themself.

An illitrate Moses said atmosphere had formed before sun appeared but the brilliwnt atheist said Sun exist before atmosphere had formed. Now evidence had shown that atmosphere can't form in the presence of sun. Who is more ignorant?

I have sheld more light to your question and your ape-like brother above.

I believe you boycott the thread created by Logicboy03 yesterday "the research that refuted ape-like creature". Keep deluding yourself.

Evil Brain: OP is tinking backwards. The earth is not designed or adapted to support life. Rather its life that has adapted itself to survive in the conditions it finds itself. That is what natural selection does, it allows life to adapt.

We know that there has been life on earth for at least 3.5 billion years. There have been several times during that period that conditions on earth were drastically different than they are at the present. There was a long period where there was no oxygen in the atmosphere. [url=news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100304-snowball-earth-ice-global-warming/]There were several periods where the entire surface of the earth was covered in ice, even at the equator.[/url]

Yet, at all times life existed and adapted. If you had lived during those periods you could have argued that the earth was perfectly designed to support the forms of life that were present at those times.

The earth is what it is. It isn't specially made into accommodate anything. Rather it is life that has adapted itself to survive on earth. And natural selection definitely applies here.

@first bold-If not because your name is really affecting you, you would have looked at those points before you spit this rubish.

At fact number one, is it life/natural selection that makes earth to revolve @ 1000 miles/hr? If this figure changes either increasing or decreasing it will affect life and not earth.

@color red- this is the atheist excuse to prove that life started from earth yet they fail three fact about early atmosphere to contain oxygen:
1. "If there was oxygen, life could not start. If there was no oxygen, life could not start." Michael Denton
2. "Since the ozone is made of oxygen, it would not exist; and the ultraviolet rays from the sun would destroy any biological molecules"
3. "Earth’s oldest rocks contain evidence of being formed in an oxygen atmosphere.

So tell me another lie.

@color green-The period that earth was covered with ice was the period that first atmosphere just formed but because is not strong enough it falls down and cover earth's surface. This is another lie because:
1. If there was no atmosphere nothing can exist on earth in the presence of the Sun.
2. If Sun exist before the earth, earth won't have atmosphere (remember atmosphere form during the cooling and warming effect of the earth) because the temperature of the Sun is higher than that of the earth. "the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air, at constant temperature"-Boyle's law

@last bold-Nothing like natural selection/life adaptation in all the facts I stated above. According to you life cannot control nature which is the reason of creating this thread, then answer these questions base on my facts:
1. Why the earth have accurate atmospheric thickness?
2. Why the water on earth did not more than the one it will bury continent?
3. Why the CO2 in the earth just accurate?
4. Why the earth is at the right distance form the galaxy......and many more.

I know you can't disprove those facts but because I put LIFE at the title you quickly rest you complain about LIFE.

If earth was not designed those facts cannot be accurate.

Lastly, natural selection doesn't apply in any other thing than LIFE. You can't expect natural seletion to occur in formation of Rocks, water e.t.c

Grandfather Buhari we aren't talking about age sorry for that, we only make up our mind base on attitude and lack of gratitude of yours Sir.

I couldn't read the post to the end too long.

Where are you shouting from, inside 9ja or outside?

If you're inside 9ja, what wrong with your network?

If you're outside, why are you disturbing yourself to school in 9ja when better option is outside there?

Logicboy03: That is the problem with you and your religion. Your religion has incredible answers for things it has no idea about. That arrogance from ignorance is irritating.

How is it possible that something can exist just like that? No history nothing. God just existed like that out of thin air.


God of the gaps. You can not admit that you dont know.....that is arrogance.....you just fill your ignorance with God...



Time is a paradox....You can always point a beginning before a beginning. If the world started at x, what about x-1? If the world started at the big bang, what happened before the big bang? What happened before what happened before the bog bang?


There is no solution for now for the paradox. Scientists and intelligent people admit that they dont know the beginning of the universe. The furthest they know is the big bang theory.


Religious douchebags like you come and say there is a solution. God is uncaused, he created the world. You replace a mystery/paradox with another paradox. There is no such thing as an uncaused cause. what came before God? One can always point to a time before a specific time.


Furthermore, existence is based on time. How can God be outside time when to exist means that you live in the present ("I am is present tense).......ironically, your God is called "I am that I am". So God becomes another paradox again.


Furthermore, if something cant come from nothing, out of what did God create the universe? Because only god is supposed to be eternal. So from which material did God create the universe?

The problem you have is that you always boycott any thread that contain fact.

Cosmos said atmosphere form under the hug temperature from the sun, Bible says atmosphere came before sun appear

Now research has shown that if sun exist before earth appear atmosphere could not form. I created a thread for that Tempearture: evidence for a creator.

Then notice this; if an illitrate Moses wrote it before it was corfirmed then somebody who knows how universe was created would have inspired him. Moses did not say he guess, He said God inspire him.

I created this thread also "What only God could have known"

I created another one again "facts about earth that can't happen by chance" you ignore them because you can't disprove those fact.

Just keep on to what you believe nobody is forcing you to accept God, but what I'm affter is you can't disprove the existence of God scientically.

Logicboy03: Wait, God never came, he just existed out of thin air......he wasnt created but just was there.

So God existed just like that and created every other thing out of nothing. But something cant come from nothing.


How can something just exist like that?

Your God makes no sense.

You're still shouting about this, your question even disprove your atheism because what atheist stand upon is "there's no God" whether He came from somewhere or He live somewhere else before the causes is not what atheist is fighting for.
Fundamental belief of atheism is very glering "No God or intelligent design" so for to ask where is God come from? It means you believe He exist but your problem is where He comes from.

Let even assume that Christian didn't know where God come from they just believe by faith, but atheist do claim is different from faith. "Big ba.ng happen by chance and they claim it scientifically but no scientific method has ever applied for us to observed this claim".

All the facts we are talking about happened in the past and we are very lucky if we spend above 100years but why do we know much about the past? if not for assumptions and faith.

philhappy: i jst got a text frm my gal requesting me to giv her a brk for sometimes,reason unknown to me. Is it normal to ask for such request?

It is normal because she want it.
If she calls for a break without reason then reply with a break without reason too.

If you don't tell people you're going out you don't need to come back with excuse.