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peterphd: @emusan
You haven't answered the question and you call it childish?I'm sure you had doubts about God as a kid and you were scared with the "don't question God" mantra and you probably are going to do the same thing to your kids lol.It is this invisible man theory that has spoilt Nigerians (youth).They can no longer reason but they wait for God to come and solve all their problems besides, I don't think God would be angry if we asked of his origin afterall,you have to know your lineage very well for you to get a title in the village.

@FOLYKAZE too,

You may be scared not to question God when you're a kid but I'm not. Questioning God is not a problem the major problem is, is your life worthy to question Him? God-s eyes cannot behold iniquity.

If this question is bordering I think this is the right time to move closer to God and find out yourself instead of asking people.

This same question has prompt many people to know more about God.

If I know where God live before He created universe or who created what does that have to do with eternity I'm pursuing? Even to know where God live or how He was created is none of my business because it's not the guaranty of making heaven, my own is to find out whether He exist and once I was able to that the next thing is to rest my hope and faith upon Him.

I think the question should be, Does God really exist or it's just a work of imagination?

Kay 17: it is a Science, right?!

at your level you can't stil diffrentiate btw two things.

cos that is what God is defined as by theists.

Then what is your alternative prove to make you conclude that what they claim is wrong?

Sorry I meant tusks.

Also, if a trunk is a deduction, how does that mean an addition in genetic information?

Also if there is a side effect, then prove it with known mutations. Especially tuberculosis adaptations.

Go and read more about mutations.

I'm sure you know the thread that leads to this thread(nothing like ape-like), so stop bringing arguement that you can't support with law or scientist quote. I'm different from people that argue without support you can see that in any of my post.

Logicboy03: Guy, just shut up and answer the qustion. Dont tell me to ask God.

If I went to the middle of the church and asked "God where did you come from"....your christian bros will definitely say that I am mad despite the irony...


Answer the question since you are a child of God. I can tell you where my father came from. Where does your heavenly father come from? Nothing?

You said I should answer when your own answer is invalid.

See you is it by going to church that will make you more closer to God?
If you truly want to move closer to Him then I can guide you.

@bold- I can't stop laughing, ofcourse they will do. Did you know what cause Moses to see just the back view of God?

Guy, God still remains the highest supreme being.

Logicboy03: "you atheists think life came from nothing and the big bang came from nothing"


Seriously, I am tired of that falsehood and failed argument.

Where does your God come from? Isnt it from nothing as well?

Stop behaving like a kid, this is old time question.

Logicboy03: Yes, we atheists and the sceintists as well do not know where the first life came from. We dont.


Since you know better than the scientists that it is God that brought the first life. Can you explain-

-how he did it
-when he put the first life
-and where God came from

This is the major questions that make God to be omniscient and all-knowing being.
Turn your Bible to Genesis 2:7

Who created God? Childish question. If you truly want to know who created God, why can't you move closer to Him so that you can ask Him how He was created?

Sorry but you must answer these questions. When some of your brethren mock evolution, we answer the questions

-how evolution works
-the timeline of human evolution
-the nature of the earliest life forms we know]
-the fossil and dna evidence for common descent

when they ask you, you said evolution work through mutation and mutations never causes a gain genetic information rather than loss genetic information.

Nature of life by miller-urey's experiment that produce equal right and left handed amino when all organisms use only left amino.
Even to produce amino is not the major problem but how to arrange thenselves, did miller-urey do that?

You're still clamouring about human from ape when it has been refuted (I believe you created this thread yesterday https://www.nairaland.com/1309560/one-13-people-ape-like-feet )

so stop deceiving yourself.

Kay 17: I want a clear answer, so I insist is Evolution Science?

I have given you a clear respond to that.

God is a contradiction, he is incomprehensible and he creates from Nothingness.

How did you know He is contradictory, incomprehensive and was created from nothing? Either a research or tangible evidence would have made you to arive at this answer.

KAY 17: @emusan

1. If an elephant mutates and has no trunks, are you aware they can pass it on to the next generation?

Has it ever happen or you're just guessing?

2. If another elephant mutates to a black or pink skin, it would pass it to the next generation?

It can't never happen, for elephant to stop having trunks it must gain new genetic information through mutations not lossing genetic information likewise for human to evolve from ape-like require new genetic informations.

Like the example of bacteral you cited "Mutations always causes side effect in organism.

Lee Spetner, “All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.”

There's no how you can disprove the work of God scientifically, you can only say God doesn't exist base on your personal best reason.

Kay 17: What do you say about the mutation of viruses and microorganisms.

Go and read it or search it Mutations never gain a new genetic information instead it loses genetic information.

Let me give you the clue: mutations can be grouped into five 1. Point, 2. Inversion, 3. Deletion, 4. Insertion, & 5. Frame shift ( it works through Insertion & deletion method but shifted)
we can trace mutation back to Bible when God causes both land and animals.

2. How do you explain bio-diversity.

It's just differences in animals, plants, organisms e.t.c you can see this in Genesis when God said "Let land, seas, bring forth its creature after their own kinds"

peterphd: Agreed.so how do we humans solve the problem of "which God created the universe?" There are over a million out there so why should we elevate the Jewish one above our local gods? You're still dodging my question on whether you believe the yoruba creation story.

Firstly, I'm a Yoruba and my forefather are pagan, but when you believe Oduduwa, Sango, Oya e.t.c have power according to history then there're somebody who was sent 'a messager'. Remember people have forsaken the Lord after humans begins to spread on the face of the earth.

@bold-You might thought jewsish impose their religion on us but if I rest my faith on what jews stated then I might turn atheist by now, but I took a step of faith on what they wrote (Bible) and I comfirmed it to be true.

You may ask how? Before Jesus was cruxified He said something in "John 14:16- And I will pray the father, and he shall give another Comforter [which is Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever" After this He said again in verse "17-Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" Then if Jesus promise a Comforter which I have comfirmed to be true it means Bible is real. But what most Christians lack today is the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in them. With the help of the Holy Spirit I know God exist that's why I can testify. I'm not talking about people that are falling in church and claim it's Holy Spirit *though if someone received Holy Spirit you must fall because the person can't withstand His power* but most of what we see in church today is fake.

Kay 17: 1. What's important is: Is evolution Science?

Evolution falls under Historical science.

2. Let's talk about God himself. Is he Supernatural?

No need of this because there're many thread ever created for this.
Just give me the major reason why God is not exist. I have given you mine it's either you disprove it or give another prove.

Kay 17: ok, evolution doesn't mix with science, yet its a type of science. Isn't that a contradiction?? So make up your mind.

I meant to say observational science.

God can be disproven a priori. Which many atheists subscribe too.

That isn't enough facts to say there's no God.

I tell you there's God that's why somebody with a cronical disease get healed by miracle, or a blind man received his sight back, or God created heavens and the earth yet you said all this didn't prove existence of God. Then why can't you give me a similar story or event that will really show God is not the one responsible for these.

@Op, It really pains me when I see the way practicing Christianity today because we've lost the true message of Christ both pastors and follwers have put an earthly things into the service of God. Our attitude towards God's service is zero no wonder the Holy Spirit of God can no longer move in us.

Alot of people today have backslided because they fail to realise and discover what it takes to be a christian and the true message of our Lord Jesus. Being born again or believing in God doesn't mean you can't archive what you suppose to archive.

What brought the issue of 'Born Again'? A certain man came to Jesus and asked Him what can I do to be save?
"John 3:5-Jesus answered, verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a mam be born or water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" This very verse make it clear for someone to enter into the kingdom of God he/she must be 'Born Again', then what does it mean to born again? Born again can simply be stated as being turned into a new creature through the help of the Holy Ghost.

There are alot to say about this but space and time did not permit to do so.

Virtually about 90% of christians today a not Born again incuding pastor but you don't need to look at them because everybody will stand before the throne and face his own judgement. No wonder unbelievers are increasing in number because God cannot prove Himself in most christian life again.

God help us all!

peterphd: I didn't question evolution I just mean its still not fool proof

Anytime they are calling atheist it's better you hide yourself somewhere. If you realised what you put up there and your post at begnning you won't answer "you're a descendant of ape-like"

Kay 17: Number one, your grouse is actually against scientists and naturalists.

Point of correction don't mix evolution with science. There're two main type of science 1) Origin/Historical science; 2) Operational/Observational science

Evolution is a historical science.
Nobody can do without operational science.

2. If an atheist doesn't accept evolution, does not mean he believes Annuki aliens created nor Gods did. Claims as to whether or not Annuki or Gods are the responsible creators; stand on their own. And can simply be disproved.

@bold-If you don't believe in evolution then answer this question, what is the best proof of atheist to claim that there's no God.

Adam story is a cultural myth only peculiar to Jews, nothing more.

As evolution also is a myth of faith for those that don't have faith in God.

Hope you read the link above.

peterphd: It doesn't explain everything so its not fool proof yet and besides,its a random process.
PS: Evolution isn't a myth.its everywhere.

With what you've been spitting since yesterday means you don't know what it takes to be an atheist. I believe somebody must have deluded you with your own blame about God to be an atheist.

[quote author=Ghostface_killa]Which is more ridiculous?....Evolution or Creation via mud??.....smh[/quote]Very tactics question, pls ape-like creature is from where?

You are shouting now I believe you didn't read the link @OP

peterphd: Peterphd is a descendant of the first man who was ape-like. (don't try to be funny anymore jusy gimme answers)

Then what make you spit these statement:

So because evolution is not sufficient to explain the origin of man for now must atheists believe that creation occured as it is in a Jewish myth book? Nobody knows how we got here on earth

Now notice the bold.

I refuse to answer the question on the grounds that I don't know how humans got here.

You don't know how human got here, then how do you know you're a descendant of ape-like and what support your claim?

I am yet to see where the "common ancestor" theory has been refuted conclusively.

The research you read about refuted man from ape-like.

Then no more discusion unless you give me the evidence.


The same fossilized materials that archiologist use to assume ape-like human has been rendered useless simply means anything they use fossil for is in question.

Naoh doesn't need to carry the mature mammals and it's God that gave him the dimension.

Animals didn't evolve.

peterphd: Ape-like @emusan

Make your claim e.g

emusan is a descendant of Adam not ape-like.

peterphd: Ape_man

Nothing like ape-man, or do you have a link for it?

Is either Adam or ape-like.

Stop jumping up and down.

peterphd: I wish I could tell you so...I'm a descendant of the first man.I don't know if his name was Adam or orisha.I'll go for ape-like.

No answer!!!

fifa456n: Adam is mythical story of the creation, just like Yoruba's have theirs, the Egyptians, the greeks. The Adam and Eve are the mythical tale of Hebrews. Bible vindication of Yaweh is not evidence of his existence.

who ask you to tell story? Answer the simple question.

peterphd: By virtue of evidence found on earth in my lifetime, I tell you now that I'd go with evolution in preference to any creation story. Now answer my questions.

Don't be logical declare with your mouth, are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

fifa456n: Theists make the claim they must provide evidence, the burden of proof fall on them, if a man claimed an alien creature exists, he must provide proof, it would be illogical for him to tell people who lack a belief in the creature to provide proof for the non existence of his claim.

What evidence do you need again? They should go to heaven and bring God down or they should go to the tumb and put Jesus back.

Bible says all creations are witness about His work. Just click on my username and view most of my recent post.

Are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

peterphd: Maybe they showed them the true way,maybe.let's say man didn't evolve like most of y'all say.it then gives us some questions to answer.
1.who planted all the archaeological findings evolutionists use to back up their claims?
2.Noah's ark couldn't have contained all the animals we know so how come we have the so many different species of animals?? Evolution huh or God did a 2nd creation?
3.If its possible that animals evolved why isn't it possible for humans to evolve? Afterall we're all biological animals
PS: I'd love to get answers to the above since you say you know the origin of man and it seems like you just dodged the yoruba creation story issue.why?

All your questions have a definite answers but answer my question first.

fifa456n: The christian God is definitely is really crazy, read old testament especially. In other religions their understanding of God or gods vary. I admitted that i dont much, meaning like i dont know it at an advanced level yet and when i said not to keen i was rather saying the same thing i just said meaning i dont have an advanced level yet, still learning.

All what you're saying is just personal view of facts.
I ask you again, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim there's no God.

Christian says if you want to know maybe God exist or not join him/her with faith to receive the Holy Ghost but it's difficult for to do, now give me the evidence I will join you to verify the non-existing of God.

peterphd: I refuse to answer the question on the grounds that I don't know how humans got here.you may think you know the origin of man. That you were told the bible knows it doesn't prove it to be true.Do you believe the yoruba creation story?? If yes,then why is there no Adam? If no, how do you expect us to believe that of the Jews It doesn't take a soothsayer to tell that all these stories are made up.Besides, all cultures have their own story your name sounds like edo/yoruba.if you can't believe the one from your village why should you believe a story used to enslave our forefathers?

Now because evolution of man from ape-like has been refuted you can't tell whether you're Adam or ape-like descendant. See you life outside!

Whether you like it or not Adam or ape-like story is the only way that humans can ever came into being.

I wonder what you will claim when big ba.ng or cosmos will be refuted.

You thought they enslave our forefather but to me they just show us the true way.

musKeeto: Bible definition: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Google:
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Merriam-Webster:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>



So which of these definitions would you pick to describe a belief in the 'non-existence' of an entity?

I will choose '2b' because it applies for both christian and atheist.

Logicboy03: I am just laughing at their ignorance

Yea continue but you believe in evolution and right in your front evolution of man from ape-like is being refuted. Then what give you assurance that other assumption about universe are correct?

Remember Earth's age was discovered through fossilized materials.

peterphd: So because evolution is not sufficient to explain the origin of man for now must atheists believe that creation occured as it is in a Jewish myth book? Nobody knows how we got here on earth or do you wanna tell me Noah went about looking for the over 20000 types of Micro-organisms to put in the ark? Do you believe that the exactly the same species of animals put in the ark are found on earth without any changes?? Open your eyes...evolution is everywhere.

@bold-please kindly reply me, are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

I know the origin of man.

mazaje: In one sentence you claim faith, in the other you talk about truth. . .Truth does NOT require faith. . .You have no truth and you know no truth, you only have faith. . .

Actually from every religion physical perspextive no one can conclude the true religion because individual religion have difference genesis and difference spiritual support.

The Bible says in the book of James 1:26-27 "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridieth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. 27-Pure religion and undefiled before God and the father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world". What does this mean? It means religion isn't bad at all (God knows about religion but all religions are base on laws which God knows that ordinary law can't save us any more), that's why Jesus could say "Matt 10:41-He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receive a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward".

Now the question to ask ourself is, what is the purpose and promises of those who started each religion?

Though He(Jesus) was in a man's nature throughout his life, we can say He's a prophet which makes christianity a religion. Like someone has said in the begin "if you say christianity is not a religion, you're right and if you say it's a religion that is for you"

The purposes and promises of Christ in the world can be summarize as:
1. To let the whole world to know there's only one true God who created Heavens and Earth.
2. To project every man's heart to know this true God.
3. To reconcile every human being back to God..by cruxifiction (Heb 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission"
4. To make us Holy as they are in heaven...through His blood ("Heb 9:23-It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heaven should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these"
5. To make us have victory over sin and death.
6. He gave us the right way to reach heaven. ("John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father, but by me"
7. He promises us the Holy Ghost.
NOTE: point 1 & 2 can also be found in some religion but no religion have ever met the standard of 3-7.

For instance, Jesus claim He is a son of God. 'Let's assume that He's lying in all His words'. But before He died He promised all His follower something. "John 14:26-But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you".

A true Christian will feel and testify to the existence of God, that Jesus is alive and knows heaven and hell is true through the help of the Holy Ghost.
*I'm not talking about fake Christians*
Any Christian that has not been baptized with Holy Ghost isn't yet a Christian. This promise can be comfirm whether it's true or not.

NOTE: baptism of the Holy Ghost doesn't mean pastor must lay his hand upon you before it will happen. It will simply happen when you follow what Jesus said in "Rev 3:20-Behold, I stand at the door(heart), and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door(heart), I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." this is also another promise that can be comfirm.
Though I never read q'uran from front to back likewise others religions book but with the help of Holy Ghost I know that God exist, Jesus died and resurrected and Jesus is still alive.

I beleive you can catch something.

This is the only spiritual evidence to know that God exist, others religion can't claim this.

But I will just say let everyone hold on to what they belief but Jesus said in "Matt 24:14-And the gospel of the kingdom(truth) shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end will come"

God help us!

hisblud: This is what one new kid on the block emphasised that he does not subscribe to the evolution theory. I believe the genesis of their belief is the way to go to help them out of their quagmire.

I can't stop laughing!

musKeeto: What's faith?

Ask google!

cyrexx: Because there is no credible evidence to support the belief in God other than faith

Did you mean both spiritual and physical?

Beside you didn't answer my question. "If there's no credible evidence other than faith" as your evidence, then that makes atheist to rest on faith too as there's no physical evidence to prove non-existence of God.