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This thread can help a little about your question.

https://www.nairaland.com/1236225/christianity-not-religion

mcfynest: what truly is religion? what idms that phenomenom that have being in the human race since time immemorial?, have man just been serving himself and he calls it religion or God? regardless of where you leave, you have in no doubt seen for yourself what how religion affects the lives of people. In the name of religion, millions have killed and been killed(eg are d crusades and the jihads). did religion actually grew out of magic or the fear of the unkwnown or as sigmud Frued will put it "father figure neurosis"?
why do we say christianity is the true religion and not judaism, why do we claim islam is the way and not budhism?, why hinduism and not shintoism?, taois and not confusianism, peganism and not atheism?
if you claim you believe in what you believe in because your religion(eg the abramaic religions) are based on fact not myth or are based on people that have existed before then you also should believe in shango because he was a king of the old oyo empire.
As science truly proved that religion is a pure fraud! or just something we cook up because we do not understand certain wonders of mother nature?
Now the question is this.... why do you consider what you believe in as the truth?

My question is @bold: how did science prove religions are pure fraud?

Deep Sight: The fundamental principle of evolution is development of species through natural selection.

Natural Selection is based on the notion that favours survival of the fittest.

Creatures supposedly develop features over time that enable them to survive competitively within the natural world.

Thus Evolution and natural selection tend firmly towards life and survival.

This in itself clearly presupposes that nature is life-driven - as it continuously hones its creatures towards life.

Perhaps the question should be asked: why is this? Why is nature interested in the furtherance of life?

It is paradoxical as a strictly material universe surely could not be bothered about furthering life.

It thus emerges that the very principle of natural selection which operates to further life is compelling evidence that the entire system we live in is life-driven and grows towars the furtherance of life.

Why is this?

A good answer to my mind would be the existence of God - Ultimate Life, as it were.

Because it is glaring that if LIFE by itself were not a living pulsating reality, nature could just as easily have tended towards death or annihilation.

Evolution proves the existence of God!

Anybody that keeps arguing about LIFE is seriously under delusion because scientists themselves don't know how life start on earth. Natural selection is just a mere assumption about life.

VanTee20: An angry wife conversing with her husband on phone...

Wife: Where the hell are
you?

Husband: Honey, Do you remember that gold shop
where u saw a diamond
necklace and totally fell in
love with it?

Wife (in a relaxed tone): Yes I do Darling.

Husband: Remember I had no cash to buy it
for you that day & I said I'll buy it for you someday.

Wife (totally
relaxed with a smile): Yes I remember my love!

Husband: Good, I am in the barbers shop next to
that shop!

The husband has set fire on, no be small gbege when he reachs house.

bcomputer101: SAI BUHARI...

Observation! Please change the thread title 'Is' to 'His'
Thanks!

My question is which step does the OP make to reduce criminal act in our society?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
Paul said all sinned.
Jesus said neither a man nor his parent sinned. (John 9:2-3)

Reconcile that for me please.

Thanks.[/quote]Like @Tolu has said your arguement is baseless. From Bible is not the word of God to inaccuracy of the Bible. I know your next question will be if Bible is the word of God, why is it not accurate? As one of your people did above. The problem is that to interpret the Bible you need the original word which is the 'inspiration of God' but most people fail to know this.

According to the verse you refer to they asked Jesus about a boy who was blind right from the womb to know maybe is the boy that sinned or his parent's sin that make him blind but Jesus let them know none of them sinned but for the glory of God to manifest while Paul's teaching was based on human race as a whole.

Use anything you have to work for God man.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
Truth, Love and Righteousness. Life forever more.
[/quote]How did you know the word of God claim all these?

Then you can see the reason why I said I don't need any other book than that 66 books because all these are also inside this 66 books.

My question is if the Word of God is Truth, Love and Righteousness. Are you obeying the word of God?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]No, the Jews rejected Jesus because he was not the king they were expecting. A power hungry messiah that would give them the land of Canaan and have them rule over their enemies and so forth.
My friend, do you think that God need people to reject his son for anyone to accept to be partaker of the gospel?[/quote]Yes! They believe He was not the king they were expecting but He proved it to them many times. They same Jews that rejected Him later some finally believe and repent.

All you need are the 66 books because that is what you were introduced to. This is the main point I'm discussing and my main contention. If you had been a Jew then you'll be here saying you ONLY need the 47 books of their Tanak. But if you were an Ethiopian then you might need even more books.
So, you see how the needle is moving now.

Yes! It was introduced to me and I found it complete by the help of God.

Please just give me a reason why I need to read those books that was not in the Bible?

What you believe is personal and I do agree with you that if you deem it that all you need is 1 book then that is all you need.
But for anyone to believe that the word of God can be contain in 66 books is in my opinion that person is misinformed.

It will look silly to think God's word was all written in 66 books, does it mean God stop talking to people after after the revelations of John? Put away setiment and think straight.

When Jesus was on the scene there was not no new testament until years after his death. Can you believe that, after the son God came on the scene then the word of God was put together later.

The Old Testament has been put together before Jesus was born that's what gave them idea of compile the New Testament.

These are the type of thing these people who spread this propaganda don't reason. They don't want to. They are happy with their belief. That is OK with me. But they make a mistake when they come to me and tell me, here this is the word of God. Go read this.
If I tell them then accept the Quran where it says this is the word of God and there are no error in it.

I can see the reason why you're hurt in spirit to reject Bible as the word of God.

Why can't you continue to call Quran the word of God. Afterall many Christians have change to Muslim likewise Muslim to Christian.

They won't.

Must everybody accept Quran? After some people have change to Islam.

Anyhow bredren, I went off on a rant here. Sorry.

Give thanks for the reasoning and sound advice.

Good! May God continue to shine His light on us.

Shallom!

@guiriga

can you tell me what you understand be the word of God?

-

omo alaro: THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE

GENESIS AUTHOR One of the "five books of Moses."
EXODUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
LEVITICUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
NUMBERS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
DEUTERONOMY AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses. 
JOSHUA AUTHOR. Major part credited to Joshua. 
JUDGES AUTHOR. Possibly Samuel, 
RUTH AUTHOR AUTHOR. Not definitely known, perhaps Samuel.  
FIRST SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown. 
SECOND SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
SECOND KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Unknown, probably collected and edited by Ezra. 
SECOND CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Likely collected and edited by Ezra.
EZRA AUTHOR. Probably written or edited by Ezra. 
ESTHER AUTHOR. Unknown.
JOB AUTHOR. Unknown.
PSALMS AUTHOR. Principally David,though there are other writers.
 ECCLESIASTES AUTHOR. Doubtful, but commonly assigned to Solomon.
ISAIAH AUTHOR. Mainly creditedto Isaiah. Parts may have been written by others. 
JONAH AUTHOR. Unknown.
HABAKKUK AUTHOR. Nothing known of the place or time of his birth. 

The above facts are from Collins' R.S.V. 1971. Pages 12-17. 

Can we still say that the bible is the word of God?

Those things you called error are from compilation from the original manuscript.

Do you think the people that compiled Bible are so daft not to notice those errors?

About the authors I will advise you to search more about it and beside because the person that wrote the books didn't put his name you mean those people should've formulated the names?

You should've reasoned with it that those people are very truthful and just because if they put name nobody would've known but they decided to do it according to how it was found.

Whether you believe Bible is the word of God or not/contains errors or not it doesn't change whom the God really Is and His standard. People keep looking at the errors in the Bible yet they never see the truth in it.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]Why are you so concerned with the what the Jews rule out because there was or there was not a prophet in the land at the time? You take that as authority from them? Are these not the same Jews that tell you Jesus is NOT the Messiah?
Yet you believe that he is (I assume).
Here is a clear cut example how you lean to your own understanding of the situation arriving at your own conclusion but when it comes to exploring beyond what the Hebrews or Jews say, you are shackled. Very obedient.[/quote]Don't get me wrong I only telling you why they didn't insert those 14books in their scripture.
Yes there rejected Jesus so that you and I can be a partaker of the gosple.

That is my point, who are you or any so called Jew for that matter to say what is inspired or what is not?

Are you fighting somebody?
My own inspiration comes from God I don't know yours.

How do you explain that the "word of God" did not reach the Amazonian Brazil until recently? These people have been living and dying without the "knowledge" that supposedly God sent his son to die for them, which is essential to God's supposedly salvation plan.
Explain this, please.

Don't worry it will get there. Jesus didn't say the whole world will receive the good gosple at once, He said "And this gosple of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nation; and then shall the end com" matt 24:14

Back to Jude...Whether Jude was a prophet or not, he did quote from the book of Enoch which people say is in circulation until this day. In fact, is part of the Ethiopian bible!

All what I needed is in that 66books God's word can never cease or end.

What you claim to "know" is what has been passed down to you by the so called Jews in their books or literature in their 66 books.

If my claims is only on 66books or Jews saying, then I won't be a christian today. You think I'm one of those keep arguing about God but nothing like a tangible evidence to prove the existence of God. NO! I have had a personal evidence that prove to me that God truly exist using the same 66books, so what else do I want to know again?

You say you don't need to read all books to know the truth. I agree with you. Yet you confide yourself in books for your truth. I don't understand.

I'm going to sokoto to buy something but deeping down my hand inside my sokoto I found what I suppose to go sokoto to buy. Do I still need to go to sokoto again?

Christians will continue to argue about God until they get their story straight about God. They don't even agree on who is God.

*If you call your relationship with God a story then there's a problem
This is the major problem in christendom today people are no more worshiping God but still looking on how Moses parted red sea, the power that David used to kill Goliath, how come Jesus resurrected without his body rotten instead to concentrate on worshiping the most high.

I don't argue mush about religions because I have found the truth I needed, I always share my thought as Holyspirit leaded but if you still want to continue to argue I rest my case.

But please just concentrate much on how God can use you more.

Shallom![/quote]

@ay
The major point you try to bring out is that: the messager/comforter that Jesus promise is your prophet but you forgot that in Jesus statement Jesus said "...he will abide with you forever" which means 'he's an immortal' being always know that one.

My simple question is as you know much about Bible, do you know much about Holyspirit Himself? Because I can see you always support your quote with Bible verses.

I will give more deatils about the Holyspirit when I get home.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]The question is why are they not part of the cannon?[/quote]They were never considered as part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and the Jews themselves clearly ruled them out by the confession that there was, throughout that period, no voice of the prophets in the land. I stated this in my previous post.

The reason why I point at the Ethiopian bible is because it has more book than that of the 66 book standard bible. So how can the word of God be short of books?

OK, the Catholic bible uses the Apocrypha but the Ethiopian bible has more, 81 books.

see my reply to bizi above

Jude quoted from the book of Enoch. You do know that right?

Yes!

Have you read this books? The book of Tobit for example?

I don't need to read all books before I know the truth. I know God exist and send His son to die for my sin and His son also promise me Holyspirit that will even teach me more of things I don't know which I can testify. I just don't go to church because they said to me God exist but I go to church to render my service to God once you have Holyspirit you have it all.

Like I said when will christians stop arguing about God instead to focus on the promises of God. Is that the true message of Christ?

[quote author=izi-n-bizi]Timothy said all Scripture and not "Genesis to Revelation", note that there are many kinds of scripture. He obviously never heard of the compilation of books called Bible and I'm very sure he will be amused to find out that his writings are now being classified as Word Of God. The fact that they are inspired by Spirit still does not mean they are Word of God or void of the writer's point of view. They are profitable for a guideline, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in the way of righteousness: This means they are a guide for you to understand righteousness in Spirit and the Word Of God who is the Christ but the books itself is not the Word of God.[/quote]Get it right anything you received through the inspiration of God comes directly from God. The reason why Holyspirit reveal that statement through Timothy is the point you stated above "void of the writer's point of view" it means all those words is not just an imagination of man but what the spirit of God has revealed through man. Some songs are also inspiration of God i.e all christains HYMNS. The compilation of all inspired written statement from men through God's spirit are "WORD OF GOD" the reason why Bible takes the lead is because it's the beginning/origin for other inspirational book.

What I'm here to let you know is that Bible is a word of God, any materials written by a man with the help of Holyspirit is also a word of God.

If you start from Genesis to Revelation or any other inspirational book from any man of God..they are all proven God's love towards all mankind.

How do you allow the word of God to dwell in you richly? Colossians 3:16 "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;...."

Thanks

[quote author=izi-n-bizi]Where in the Bible is it written that the books "Genesis - revelations" are the words or word of God? where did the concept originate from? No book can hold the Word of the Creator of all that exist, except you refer to a different one as God. Please educate me on how you came to your conclusion.[/quote]I will only quote one phrase from this 2 Tim 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,....."

These words """Inspiration of God""" simply means God's Spirit.
Linking this with that John 1:1 ""In the beginning was the word........"" the words you're speaking from your mouth is immaterials. It's this same word that became flesh John 1:14

If that's what you believe anyway goodluck to you beside christians shouldn't be argued on things like this rather than to focus on salvation. Thanks

Kay 17: @emusan

What about the moral rules written in our"hearts"? Shouldnt the fulfilment of such be sufficient to make heaven?

@bold-that is the major point of this thread some people believe they can manage/guide their life right without the help of the Holyspirit.

The moral rules you mention is a 'constant K' in every human but Bible call it 'RIGHTEOUSNESS'.

The question now is, can man be 100% in righteousness?

I believe you can answer it after this little explanation.

1 John 2:29-"If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of God"

1 John 3:9-"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"

1 John 3:-"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, nither known him."

If you look at the first two verses critically you can agree with this equation:
Righteousness + addition of Holyspirit = strengthen of righteousness.

Because God is so have confidence in any man that has Holyspirit in him not to commit sin. As you can see in that second verse "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed(Holyspirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,......."

While include third verse into the rest verses we can derive this equation:

Righteousness + lack of Holyspirit = temptation into SIN

James 1:14-15 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin, when it is finished(ruins man's life down), bringeth forth death(which is evalasting death)".

Most SIN man committed today is out of the result of temptation.

Now let's go back to where we begin 'when I said moral rules written in our hearts is constant K' because every man both young and old have this element in them: reason is that in one way or the other we are all righteous to some extent but not 100%/completely;
*we have seen a case of an armed robbers spare some people's life.
*we have seen where an unbeliever donate massively to an ophanage home.
*we have seen a case where assasin change his mind not to kill the person e.t.c but the nitty-gritty of the matter is staying righteous without any element of SIN is not possible and without the Holyspirit because we face devise temptations every day. Remember, "......ye know that every one that doeth righteuosness is born of God and whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin......"

No isn't sufficient to make heaven because God demands our 100% of righteousness!
Shallom!!!

My own wedding vow goes thus:

I emusan take you 'no name' as my wife as from today "If she fails to accomplished her mission and vision in this life in any circumstances, Oh Lord ask me for it"

Also:

John 16:7-13
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper(Holyspirit) will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
NKJV

Kay 17: Is the holy spirit necessary for making heaven? Is preaching to others necessary for making heaven?

If not, what is the use?

I said it in one of my thread that you're the only open-minded atheist I've ever known on this forum. Kudos!

The works of the Holyspirit in believer's life can answer your question.

Let's look at this statement "is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto every good work.”

@bolds:
the first bold-inspiration of God quonote 'Spirit of God' or simply 'Holyspirit' that was concealed in God's word(Bible).

The last bold tells us how Holyspirit can instruct every rigtheous man unto perfection and make their work acceptable.

As for the questions you ask:
1) Is Holyspirit necessary for making heaven? I say YES!

2) Is preaching to others necessary for making heaven? No! because we only need salvation. Preaching to others is a choice! (The choice here I will term it as selfshness if the person fail to preach to others after gotten his own salvation) But Jesus commanded us to go ye into the world for two reasons:
a) As a believer who has found grace and see the true light of God must also allow others (2 Cor 4:4) to see the light too and there's a reward for it in heaven.

b) at last jugement day no excuse will be made by anybody. Matt 24:16 "And the gospel of the truth shall be preached unto all nations, then shall end come"

The issue is that Holyspirit helps us to be equal to things in heaven while on earth, and also helps us to interpret the Bible according to God's mind because Bible is his word.

VanTee20: #9
Two friends were smoking weed... One of them went behind a tree, removed all his clothes and came back to
his friend naked!

He stood infront of his friend and asked;

"How do I look in my new suit?"

The friend looked at him, smiled, took another puff and said "Wow!!! You look so amazing in this your suit but you put your tie below the
waist instead of putting it round your neck!"

I can't laugh it all. It seems like a joke but one Bros that is taking weed (though God has arrested him now) once told me that anytime he takes it if Goliath stand before him he will look like a day old baby, anytime I remember this statement I will just burst into laugh.

“Given our talent set, experience, and education, many of us are fairly capable of living rather successfully (according to the world’s standards) without any strength from the Holy Spirit.”
This a quote from Francis Chan’s book ‘Forgotten God: Reversing our tragic neglect of the Holy Spirit.’
It’s a great book and one that has challenged me. Tremendously. It’s so easy to get caught up in the ‘doing’ at church and actually, many of us are pretty good at it:
We are articulate. We are humorous. We are hard-working.
We can manage without the Holy Spirit thank you very much. but why would we do that?

I don’t know about you but I don’t want to just ‘manage’. I don’t want to just be a branch manager of a church. I want God to be so working in me that things happen around that cannot be rationally explained. I want to know the Holy Spirit’s whispering and respond in obedience.

The ridiculous truth is that the Holy Spirit dwells in all believers. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says ‘Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?’

If the Holy Spirit is in us shouldn’t that make a difference? Shouldn’t WE be different? I don’t want to have to decide somewhere down the line that I need to reverse my ‘tragic neglect of the Holy Spirit’.

I want to embrace Him. Today.

Who’s with me?

Once a lifetime @ FEPODO

timothycel: It happens more during rainy season because its similar to fishing. You are most likely to catch a fish during "Fish" season (that may be mating season, summer, winter etc depending on where you are) than you are to catch one out of season.

When it is rainy season, the elements are all there. Severe thunderstorms and electrical storms. The lightning is already there, it is then a matter of directing where it should go.

In my country you will find that in the rural areas people will consult their witch doctor at the beginning of spring so that they can get protection from the lightning Juju before the summer electrical storms.

We often find that the first electrical storm of the season kills many people and then people remember to get protection from Jujus.

This Juju can also be used out of season (Dry Season) but a more powerful Juju is needed as a storm cloud needs to be created. This can happen very suddenly (15 minutes or so) then you here someone was killed by lightning but very little rain fell and the storm is over in 5 minutes. (To answer your question I cant say I have witnessed someone being struck with my own eyes)

I personally have had dreams of an uncle of mine trying to send lightning to my family. (He is involved in the practice of killing family members and using them to make money). He owns many taxis and shops. He had 11 siblings but he is now the only Older family member alive. His uncle got him into this "business", he has always had about 10 wives and without fail 1 dies each year or one of his many children and then he gets a new wife etc.

There are many Jujus that work just the same as the lightning one. They mainly work buy increasing your bad luck exponentially. You are more likely to die of car accident, stroke, stabbing, during childbirth, fire etc. A juju works on opportunity, when there is a chance for something to go wrong a Juju increases the likelihood that it will.

If you watch the movie Final Destination and notice how something is always trying to kill the characters given an opportunity, its the same way a Juju works.

Witchcraft is widespread across the Asian sub continent, the Far East, the Middle East, South America. It just cant be proven, just like how God cant be proven. But those people who have experienced the ill effects of witchcraft can tell you all about it. It is the same with God, people have had experiences which confirmed their beliefs.

Witchcraft can never be proven though, there will always be a "scientific" explanation.

Thanks for this your explanation. I wonder why some people keep saying there's nothing like paranormal in this life we're living.

I never get answer to this question. If something is superstition, why is it globally experience?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]No.
The bible are books hand picked by some folks who took council on which writings to compile into one book and which writings to leave out.

Is not this a historical fact Pastor?

Which bible are we talking about here anyway?

Why spread this propaganda Pastor?
[/quote]Pls the Ethiopian bible you're talking about does it mean it was written by Ethiopians or just a name because the only thing I know about origin of the Bible is that "The Apocrypha and the Septuagint
There is a cluster of about 14 books, known as the Apocrypha, which were written some time between the close of the Old Testament (after 400 B.C.) and the beginning of the New.They were never considered as part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and the Jews themselves clearly ruled them out by the confession that there was, throughout that period, no voice of the prophets in the land. They looked forward to a day when “a faithful prophet” should appear.
The Old Testament had been translated into Greek during the third century B.C., and this translation is known as the Septuagint, a word meaning 70, after the supposedly 70 men involved in the translation. It was the Greek Septuagint that the disciples of Jesus frequently used since Greek was the common language of the day.
Whether or not the Septuagint also contained the Apocrypha is impossible to say for certain, since although the earliest copies of the Septuagint available today do include the Apocrypha—placed at the end—these are dated in the fifth century and therefore cannot be relied upon to tell us what was common half a millennium earlier. Significantly, neither Jesus nor any of the apostles ever quoted from the Apocrypha, even though they were obviously using the Greek Septuagint. Josephus was familiar with the Septuagint and made use of it, but he never considered the Apocrypha part of the Scriptures.

Thanks!

[quote author=izi-n-bizi]The Bible is not the Word of God.[/quote]Why people just like shouting?
The OP went on to clear how Bible is the word of God, you jump in and just say is not the word of God. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Beside this is a debate forum where many people can learn new thing from but I wonder how some people behave childishly on this forum.

Bible is not the word of God! Does it make any sense or provide any tangible reason?

Beretta92: @Emusan,i knew u wud misunderstand dat line. When i talked about substances, it was with respect to rocks alone. Trees are of course targets due to their heights. And about me being skeptical of yr story,it's not my fault,ok.I've witnessed people distorting n embellishing things i witnessed with my own very eyes beyond recognition. Moreover, supposed paranormal stories i've looked into hv turned out to be shams. And it's ok if u think i'm deluded-it's simply what u think.

@bold-Let me agree I misunderstand you! If the substance are limited to rocks alone, is it only igneous or sedimentary rocks that the substance present on?

@color-if tall trees are most target of thunder strike USA redwood trees that tall over 60ft(20m) should've distroyed then.

What about the thunder strike that happen in a building?

Alfa Seltzer: Which evidence? Show us 1 single evidence. I hope you know the meaning of evidence; as opposed to hearsay.

@logic too
Just go through this website and see evidence of paranormal.

http://www.victorzammit.com

You still keep deluding yourselves under the lies of Dawkins.

Just have it at back of your mind that Victor J. Zammit and the rest of scientist are not creationist, some are freethinker, humanist e.t.c. So imagine an humanist challenging an atheist about his work.

hisblud: Emusan! Emusan!! this is bad market oh, why are you bring this kind of research which is making their hope in the non existence of the paranormal, jittery. Emusan why now? see articles for that website oh.

Lol

Just feed your brain small Bros. The funny part of it is that, this is a humanist challenge to atheist not creationist challenge.

Logicboy03: Good work, Alfa Seltzer!

Provide evidence. Court dont work with a case that has no evidence

@bold-Why R. Dawkins doesn't want to verify the evidence presented by those NOBEL LAUREATE scientists that paranormal is exist?

Uyi Iredia: We all are close-minded to a greater or lesser extent. For example, by thinking as a deist, I have debarred myself from accepting the atheist's POV.

Yea you're right!

More than TEN NOBEL LAUREATE scientists all agree that paanormal do exist. That's why they conclude that Prof. R Dawkins is too close minded in his research to neglect paranormal. Most scientist mention in this case are all humanist, freethinker e.t.c they begin to wonder, why Dawkins fail to look into any work of paranormal just because most of his works are full of assumptions.

I created a thread on this: 5 reason why Dawkins is wrong!-by Victor J. Zammit

Zammit said his work is not for religious people but to throw more light on what some scientist have covered for so long. He has challenged Stephen Hawkin's work and R. Dawkin's work.

http://www.victorzammit.com/