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ooman: ur ignorance is alarming.

Waooo, thank God is even alarming and you can hear it unlike your own blind faith that has no effect.

OlaAjia: I cannot dispute God's observability.

Then why did you believe that there's no living God?

However, we must first establish the definition of God. Different conceptualisations of God assert his observability or lack there of.

Not really get you here!

For example, many Physicists have a pantheist concept of God which asserts God is the universe and the universe is God.

Does the Universe has a spirit?
Imagine 'pantheist concept' not that they have prove other way to find God.
God can speak and you will hear Him.

In this regards, they assign no personal character or intent whatsoever to god, nor do they suggest that god demands worship or inspires self consciousness.

They will! because they only believe in idol of universe that can't speak.

God has been speaking to His people who has followed the ways He assigned to find Him.

Of course, their definition is essentially observable but I assume it is quite a huge leap from yours.

God's definitions is more observable millions time than any human definition.

So what's your definition of god?

Almighty God the creator of the universe itself.

I am glad and relieved we agree on this point.

why that?

I don't believe seeing god is the only way the establish god's existence.

Please in what way we can prove otherwise kindly tell me?

as this claim contradicts scientific procedures.

The way atheist are looking for God contracdict God's procedure.

But thanks, I appreciate your admiration.

You're welcome!

This is the wrong attitude. Why judge me before presenting your case?

I didn't but just the truth.

is the fact that there is ample and observable evidence that I am interacting with a conciousness with an identity that corresponds with the former.

The phycists who have pantheist concepts of universe as a God, they have consciousness while universe doesn't. Is there any interaction between them and the universe?

Hence, Emusan stops being abstract. So, again, energy as a stand alone word might be abstract, but the concept which it describes is far from; and as I have proven earlier, it is in fact, observable and measurable.

So do God Almighty! QED

Do you claim that God is representable in form of wavelength(s) then?

Not even in wavelength also in other forms, cosmic ray, magnetic field, huge force e.t.c if you're ever be baptized by the Holyspirit for the first time you can't withstand His own force His force will surely pull you down, Moses saw just the back side of God nobody could be able to behold his face-like that cosmic SUN.

If this is the case, then I will have to agree with you that god is definitely observable.

Decide....!

You must, of course, define the importance of this kind of god, who is like every other thing, a product of nature.

Not in anyway God will be part of the product of nature because far far beyond it; He can speak.

Define spirit?

Spirit is an invisible entity (to any ordinary human's eyes) who has mind and soul, and conscious of itself.

I am glad my argument helped you make more meaning of how God operates. I hope you will be kind enough to help an unintelligent and slow person such as myself elucidate this new found understanding.

I'm glad too!

mazaje: If you go about claiming things you have no evidence for, things which are obvious mythology and fiction then you better stay away from me or be mocked for being a lunatic

Do you have evidence for the first cell, how is formed, where it started from, when it begun before you believe that RM & NS cause it to evolve all lives we see on earth?....blind faith in motion

Only lunatics go about talking about myths and fiction as if they are true. . .

Fit perfect to my question above.


Last question for you or anyone who can help you out, do you believe that everything is observable in this nature?

mahdino: Brother, i don't mean to say anything to hurt u or anyone.

I didn't say you ever hurt me, thanks.

But I hope we are not just arguing. There has to be understanding.

Yes sir, but not on your own assumptions!

Please let me ask u a question. When you write a book or letter do u say. The letter according to Emusan?

Ofcourse yes! If I'm writing about my past, which I even did so in 2006.

The bible u have in your hand is not the word of God, Jesus not even Matthew Mark, Luke or John.

Do you have any other reason apart from the one given right from the beginning of this thread to conclude again from where we started? You need widsom sir.

These book were written from 40 - 80 yrs after Jesus.

Yes through the help of the Holyspirit but the Old Testament was written thousands of years and compiled about 200yrs before Christ.

Logicboy03: To Ooman's defence, he was probably talking about when Darwin found out the theory of evolution.......

Ooman, come and land your roundhouse kick on Hisblud!

Theory of evolution...that doesn't know how first cell formed, where first cell started, and when first cell begun...see blind faith in motion

OlaAjia: It is observable and measurable.

Observable!
God also is observable.

Seeing is an important part of observation, but it is not the only way to observe things,

Thanks for this beautiful answer and God bless you more.
How beautiful it will look like if other atheist can reason this way about God.

and it would be very unfortunate and disappointing if you actually think seeing should be THE basis for defining an observable.

It would also unfortunate and disappointing to believe that untill you see God before you'll know He exist. I so much love this your explanation welah!
Keep it rolling Bro...

Optical illusions prove that seeing isn't entirely reliable.

No wonder you leave road enter bush!
Yes ohhh even if you see God you will still think is an illusion.

For the purpose of this discussion, you can replace process with effect, concept or whatever other suitable word is out there.

Alrightiiiii bro Ola

I can also explain to you how a car gets its energy during ignition, but then again, so too can Google, so why bother?

You put gasoline that has already store energy don't forget.

Energy is just the word we use to describe this phenomenon.

You don't spoil my mood nah I'm already enjoying the flow. You come again and said energy is just a 'NAME' which is abstract. Anyway let's keep rolling.

Energies operating outside of this range will typically not be sensed by the eyes,

The God that also operates outside of this range would be difficult to be sense by ordinary human's eyes.

but they can still be measured by means of other devices (eg electron microscopes).

And God can still be seen by operating in your spirit with HIs own spirit.


Brother Ola, you've succeded in make more meaning to how God operate. Thanks alot!

Shalom!

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
The Europeans told us that is the word of God and we simply bought it. Then they enslaved us with the same book!
Trust me.
Do you stone adulterers and homosexuals and children who are disrespectful to parents?
[/quote]Try to understand how God works right from the creation of the world first before you say anything.

mahdino: Emusan
U have agreed that the bible have scribal errors during copy well its more than that.

Don't miss understand me here.

Do u know that at inception the first book first chapter ... God said... Is suppose to be translated as ...Gods said...

How many gods are you refering to? The writter of Genesis made it clear that it's one God.

I will urge u to get the Greeck bible.
About the scientific errors the bible said the light of the moon is its own light which means the light is its product.[quote]I still repeat it you misconstruct the writter's context in that verse, moon gives light but it doesn't produce light true or false?

[quote]The bible also said the heavens has got pillars.

You misunderstood the writter context again, see don't interpret the Bible base on the assumptions of your mind. You know Bible also talks about the pillar of earth and you neglected the part that said earth was hang upon nothing(free flow) because you want to prove the 'word of God' wrong which is imposible shouldn't mean you must interpret it to suite yourself. God continue to renew His word in our heart for those who moves close to Him.

About the creation of the world that the vegetation came before sunlight and u said that plants can survive four four days without sunlight. ur knowledge of science is very weak, let's even say plants can survive for 12 months.

Why can't you verify my statement before you resorted to 'weak knowledge' then tell me, how long can a plant live without food Or you think immediately sun light goes down plant will die?

Then u should know that in creation of the earth the 6 days is not the 24hrs time but an epoch which means a long period of time which can be decades or centuries which if u had known u won't try to say that the vegetation can survive for that period of time.

Says who? Mahdino! Allow God to speak for Himself; He said, He created everything in six literally days. I hope you're talking about progressive creation who believe evolution fit with Bible which many christians didn't go with the idea.

U try to cover up Matt:9:9 and Rev:1:1
Please what kind of language, speech and write ups are u talking about? Even a primary school child can explain to u that its a third person speaking.
Open your heart, mind and use your God given intelligence.

See you, I didn't cover anything up I only try to tell you that we have cases like that in the Bible where the writer spoke in third person language. If you read that Rev 1:1 you will see John still mention his name in that same verse but in case of Mathew his name didn't appear on any verse but on the book itself. I'm using my intelligence sir.

God has so many ways to show u through media like this, he cannot come down and tell u that its not his words.
I know in the bible u can find some word of God e.g in Isaiah ... I am your lord and there is none else. Also u can find the words of the prophets e.g Jesus said in the new testament ... It has been said at the old times... But I say unto you.. Also u can find the words of the hitorians like that of Matt:9:9, Ezekiel 23.

Then I ask you why Bible was called the word of God? If you can provide the an accurate answer I will agree with you.

When u read the bible u will see that Matthew said Jesus went to a certain place and preach the gospel, Mark said the same Luke and John all said he went to a certain place and preach the gospel. Now ask yourself when Jesus was preaching the gospel does he have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John under his arm? NO because all of these were written decades(over 40yrs) after Jesus left the earth.

Yes they were written decades after Jesus left with the help of Holyspirit no wonder Jesus said the Holyspirit will teach them many things and bring to their remembrance all what Jesus said to them and even things they don't know right from the foundation of the world.

Logicboy03: I am amazed at your silliness.

hmmm!

I give up. You win.

I still retain my point "you can only believe there's no God on your own" but not by using scientific theory. But you're asking for God's evidence now?

There was a time that I would spend all day/night arguing with your type but I have learnt better after experiencing the boko haramic attitude to knowledge and science by Ryegnius and Ijawkid....

Do I look like them? Why can't you just answer my simple questions instead of covering truth with excuse.

Keep on crusading for ignorance. You like the computers and technology science gives you but not the facts it tells you.

See you, how does evolution add to technology (observational science)? It's like only atheist study science in this world, know wonder logicboy couldn't answer my simple science questions.

Remember anytime you're talking about origin of science 'creationist' can't be excluded, talking about rapid growth in technology 'creationist' is there.

Because atheist fail to have real time understanding God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Before Christianity came to Nigeria most Nigerian culture recognise 'SPIRITUALity' visually other religions in the world. Why anywhere you get to today people keep mention about spirituality? then definitely some atheist missed it somewhere though some are being open-minded nowadays to support paranormal while the rest are still close their mind as if paranormal is not real about nature.

OlaAjia: You keep mentioning energy as though it were an abstract concept you invoke by prayers. Energy is a process, an effect,

Is this definition of ENERGY mr oga Ola?

Very much in the same sense as you reacting to Logicboy03 differently than how you are reacting to the OP for example. As in, how you are expending effort (read as energy) trying to convince logicboy of your beliefs while at the same time, conserving your energy in your relationship with the OP (because you both agree). Elements are like this too! They agree and disagree.

You stated it above that energy is a process & effect which are abstract, how can someone conserve abstract mr oga Ola?

This complexity in their relationship either allows them to lose their energies, gain energy or conserve their potentials.

How can someone gains something that is abstract? Hmm!

For example, your hand was hanging mid air while you were standing in front of Logicboy and I applied so much force as to cause you to slap him, it would be said that I have transferred energy to your hand.

Remember you caused it if not my hand will remain like that forever, who is the first cause of every ENERGY and where does energy come from mr oga Ola?

Energy is that process that caused your hand to move after my application of force which gave you a 'much desired' momentum to Slap LB.

How can you gain a process?
The force you applied comes from you the force that put energy into process come from wher?

if I apply energy (momentum) to something,

You still want to apply a process to something (abstract to an object) this story sweet die!

say a car, and make it collide with something of known mass, M1. From that, I can actually predict to a remarkably accurate extent, how exactly another object of different mass, M2 will react if I applied the same force to the same car, but this time, colliding with M2; and this prediction will be exactly the same as my experiment, give or take small errors of parallax. What you observe with your electromagnetic sensors that you call eyes is the big picture. You'll either need a super high resolution electron microscope and/or a very good theoretical physics background to observe and understand how this applies in the nanoscopic electronic world. By the way, energy manifests in different forms, but its fundamental representation in physics and mathematics is the Quantum Mechanical representation of the Hamiltonian in the form of Schroedinger's Equation, which, for simplicity and the lack of mathematical operators on Nairaland, I'll write as H=(P^2/2m)+V. Where P is momentum and V is potential.

The car has is initial force from ignition, how you know that.

Energy manifest in different form, but you can see it right?

Sorry for the lengthy post, this is my rudimentary attempt to correct your notion about energy.

I'm sorry for the lengthy reply too, just to show that your attempt fails about energy.

You can also answer my question in the post you quoted.

Shalom!

Logicboy03: 1)I don't believe in god

I know Sir, but you believe in energy and gravity you havn't seen!

2) You are ignorant to say that the evolution or mutation caused the first life.

Who is ignorant between you and I? When what I put up there can be easily understood by any 5yrs old child. I said evolutionist claim RM & NS caused all the lives we are seeing today from a single cell despite that they don't know how the cell was formed, where the cell formed, & when this single cell started.

My question is if evolutionist don't know how, where, when of first life;
*how do they know that it's only one cell that formed that time? What if many lives started from that primodal soup, would they know?

*does RM & NS actually occur on the first life in early conditions of earth? because they let us know that the present conditions of our earth was not as it is in the early stage.

We only know that living organism evolve or die. Following that, the first life mist have evolved all the way to the species we have now. Learn the difference between a cause and a mechanism. It has never been my belief or any scientist's belief that evolution caused the first life.

You misconstructed me in my post. I've clearified myself above. Still on the first live, how do they know much about the first life when they don't know how, when, & where of it.

3) Only crazy religionists like yourself argue against gravity. Why not jump out of a skyscraper if gravity is basewd on blind faith?

My question is very simple. I believe in GRAVITY as what God is using to keep us stable on earth, but my question is you believe in gravity but have you seen it with your eyes?

4) Energy is self evident.

I remember Christians always say God is self-existence did you believe them?

Only religious fools who have a hard time understanding science would compare it to faith.

Do you also believe you have real time understanding about God too? I only mean is it not a blind faith to believe what you haven't seen very simple?

The hypocrisy comes in when you use electric energy powered computers

The same thing happen when all your DNA informations are working accordingly even though nobody knows how it develops.

5) I am not a physicist. Don't throw beliefs in my mouth. Dark matter is their own theory. It has its uses in their calculations.

But you join them using their thermodynamic laws, theory of relativity e.t.c hmm! Logical logicboy

Anyway you didn't answer my questions at all, why? Please try to do so.

Shalom!

frosbel: When you stop propagating witchcraft I will stop perpetuating 'heresies'.

btw, let us know when you have purged your church of the leaven of hypocrisy.

I so much like your signature but sometimes the way you interpret scriptures always piss me off on your threads.

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

You quoted this very verse and bold the last sentence but neglected the first statement with color. This very first statement has ended any arguement about TRINITY.

Imagine Frosbel is in Emusan and Emusan is in Frosbel....does it mean anything to you?

In Phil 2:6-11 ".......9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name(including God's name):
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven(God reside in heaven), and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

in these verses you'll see that God keeps exalting Himself in different forms.

Do you think that 'at the name of Jesus' God should bow?

The word 'Name' itself is an abstract Noun. Someone can have more than one name it doesn't mean the person is splited into many.

More and more to say about the trinity but time will not allow me.

TRINITY simply means GOD: the Father, the Son, and the Holyspirit NOT God of the Father, God of the Son, and God of the Holyspirit-three Gods.

Logicboy03: 1 and 2 are correct. Now juxtapose them with the nonsense you wrote before.

no 3 is babble

You agree life didn't come from God...in above I said scientist don't know the origin of LIFE but you believe random mututaions and NS cause the thousands of lives in universe today.....something they don't know how, when, where it formed, is that not blind faith?

You believe energy is working without seen it, is it not blind faith?

You believe 'dark energy' exist without even know anything about it, is it not blind faith?

You believe GRAVITY controls the rotation of the planets withhout seen it, is it not blind faith?

Now tell me,

The huge gigabite of human DNA informations who wrote it? Remember information is immaterials!

Why planet like earth, mercury, jupiter, pluto rotate counterclockwise and the like of venus & uranus rotate clockwise despite that they all formed from the same star and control by the same gravity?

How consciousness came into existence?

Do you believe there are things that beyond science level in this life?

Logicboy03:

Wow, you are truly silly.

Kindly explain how those nonsense you put there are my "beliefs"? Strawman of the highest order....

See logicboy denying his belief.

I tell you everything up there originated from God Almighty but you and your atheist-like said NO nothing like God.

How they are your belief is this;
1) You're a descendant of Ape-like.
2) You didn't believe God created life.
3) Your idea is evrything in the unverse operate according to their own will by energy e.t.c.

Can you see how blind your faith is now. If you don't believe in everything that is up there, what support your claim that there's no God?

Logicboy03: There is faith and there is blind faith. We actually find some few christians that can be reasonable despite their religion but when it comes to christians that have this blind faith......they are no more than zombies that have lost their thinking faculties

i know that's what you'll resort to 'blind faith' but you never see yourself as someone who actually has this 'blind faith' before atheist do believe that christians lack real science knowledge by not hold on to evolutionary view and now when atheist are being challenged with that same science they resorted to blind faith.

Who have this blind faith?

Someone who has never seen energy yet believe it exist.

Someone who carried huge gigabite of DNA informations in his system and doesn't know how it got there yet still claiming there's no God.

Someone who doesn't know what the 'dark energy' is made up.

Someone who doesn't know the reason why planets rotate counterclockwise on their own axis and revolving the Sun While only Venus & Uranus rotate clockwise despite all the planets are being controlled by the same GRAVITY.

someone who doesn't know the 'origin of life' but believe only a single life started it all.

Someone who doesn't know how unconsciousness energy became consciousness.

And many more..

God has been talking to those who did His will and moved closer to Him because you fail to acknoledge God by killing your conscience not that the evidence is not there to believe in God but you just keep deceiving yourself with no fact.

plaetton: So you're saying that Judaism and Christianity are two different paths to the same god?

Jesus is the only way to God, John 14:6!

Said who, Paul?
Paul is a liar and opportunist . He has no credibility with me.

Then you're expecting a credible answer from a liar's book.

So Paul converted from Judaism to christianity, and for you, that should be everyone's cue that god has undergone a transformation and that a new covenant is now force?

Do you always read from back to front? Which transformation are you talking about?

I said before Jesus Christ came all JEWS were expecting a messiah from God. Then when Jesus finally arrived some believe in Him while others still doubted Him as the messiah. If you can take your time to study Bible very well you'll discover that most apostles fully aware that RELIGION exist before Christ but they don't refer to CHRISTIAN as a religion instead they'll say CHURCH of GOD that spread the gosple of Jesus christ both Jesus and apostles quote from JEWS law. People that believe in Jesus Christ that time believe that New Testament is a continuation of the 'law book' OT that's why they added it WHILE people who failed to recognized Jesus as their messiah continue with the OT and still waiting for God to send their messiah.


As anybody ever put knife in your throut, gun in your head, surround you with bomb e.t.c that you must accept Jesus by force?

That is ludicrous, to say the least.

I said it you don't know your stand as atheist, parading religion section and creating many thread about the God you know does not exist is absurb to me.

R. Dawkin has been invited many time to come and verified AFTERLIFE evidence, he refused because he believed he can't exist/happen and has nothing to do with it. Why can't NL atheist be like him?

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@op you keep disturbing yourself with this mythical Jesus hmm!

You never know your stances about your religion(atheism), is it that God is not exist or He exist but too complex for you to comprehend?

Anyway I believe any problem you have with christians Bible can solve it.

Galatians 1:13-16 "13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion(Judaism), how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion(Judaism) above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers(Judaism).
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son(Jesus) in me(Paul), that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood(Judaism):

It is Paul who was talking here and the reason why Saul later 'Paul' persecuted christians is because they(christian) claim that He(Jesus) is the messiah to come.

The major problem between Judaism and Christianity is JESUS CHRIST as the SON of GOD, they both serve the same God.

Christianity breeds out from Judaism because it's the religion of their fathers but Judaism believe that the MESSAIH who is coming is not Jesus while christianity was derived from Christ the messiah who has come.

The old testament is for both christianity and judaism for one reason. 1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

In this verse Paul was reffering to Isrealite and how God dealt with them.

Some jews believe till today that God will still send their Messiah come.

Shalom!

k2039: God grant me the grace not to break her heart, she is so in love with me.

But she is always confronting me about cheating, I detest that about her, afterwards she starts to apologise.

Bro same here oooo, what a coincident!

Logicboy03:

You are silly. What powers your computer to write this comment? Is it spiritual power or energy?

huh logicboy don vex oooo.

The brain you used to reply me comes from where?

Your DNA informations come from where?

Beside you're only talking about effect of energy not energy itself.

Have you seen energy?

Logicboy03: Your thread is nonsense.

There is no evidence for God. None.


Your Jesus was a racist. A coward who couldnt speak up on slavery around him

Chai.....at this level logicboy still asking for evidence when you don't have 1% evidence for ENERGY before you grap your copy of support on it.

Is like you have seen ENERGY with your two eyes, just guessing sha!

ooman: No atheist, fully compos mentis, would spend his time seeking an afterlife.

You can see now that atheist are runing away from truth. Victor J. Zammit is a freethinker who challenged R. Dawkin not a creationist.

nails are vestige of claws we inherited from our ancestors, you use it to scratch dont you? They used it to forage and tear meat.

I know ooman

God is as a result of imperfection of the human brain. Only the intellectually sick believe in God.
Worship of God is absolute madness.

Why the intellect ones keep having sleepless night about this same God!

brainFunction=-1
while brainFunction <=0:
.........godWorship = True

Thank God is a general equation that include the person who derived it. You will be excluded if your brain doesn't function, can you see through that glass?

This is what python has to say to you.

Well done but try to review your equation, huh!

peterphd: I don't know how to separate this thing point by point on mobile.thanks.

If you want to seperate any sentence just type [ quote] ...the statement....[ /quote] then you can type after this closed quote.

But no space in btw
Shalom!

mahdino: My brother u see no matter the amount of error one points out if u don't want to accept it as wrong u will try by al means to say is right. The difference btw 4000 and 40,000 is 36,000. One can accept ur reason if it was not talking about the same Solomon, same horses. All the narration were talking about the same story of Solomon's gift so they ought to be the same.

Though 'truthman' has tried in his explanations but what you think is totally different from the situation on ground, we are dealing with a book written of thousands of years ago so some words have scribed which resulted to 'scribal error' during copy.

Have u checked about scientific errors like in genesis 1 where the bible said that the light of the moon is its own light,

You misunderstood the author's context here. Moon gives light but not producing light true or false?

about the creation of the world that vegetation came before light,

What you fail to know is this plant can still survive for good four days without sunlight, and if Adam was made as a full grow adult definitely plants are all made in their full growth too and for them to survive just a day before the light is not the major problem.

I believe you miss it when you substitute 'PHOTOSYNTHESIS' for 'SEED germination'. Photosynthesis is a process by which plants make their own food while seed germination needs only three essential substances 1) good soil 2) proper temperature(not light), 3) water. Inwhich these three substances are there before God commanded them to sprout forth.

have u analysis matt: 9:9 it is not Matthew that was talking talkless of God, a third person was just narrating a story. U know people that wrote the bible just wrote it for hitorical records. The word bible is just at the cover page no where inside the book.

The book of Mathew contains the name of the author written on the original manuscripts but not in any verses of it. Matt 9:9 talks about how Mathew was called into descipleship in his write up you can find the same thing in Revelation 1:1 when John the author also refer to himself as 'unto him'

Rev 1:1 "THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him(Note: it was John that was talking here), ......." we have cases like that in the Bible where the authors wrote about themselves in their own book.

Shalom!

ooman: Guy you missed it. Your lack of knowledge of nature is what your faith is based on.

You miss it too, let even assume that I lack some knowledge about nature but inasmuch atheist fail to recognized 'spirituality' in nature makes them wrong. Many open-minded skeptics have challenged R. Danwin about AFTERLIFE but decided to pretend as if there's no afterlife. Then if religions claim we exist after death and some scientists(not creationist this time) have come out to support it (though they didn't attach it to any deity 'God') then materialism should admit that also instead of claiming nature consists only matters and if we exist afterlife, what make us to exist or which part of our body that exist?

If you know as much about nature as I do, tell me why nails are transparent, using biochemical explanations.

Is it not to enter google to do copy and paste for you if at all I don't know anything about it.

Do not tell me your God made it so.

Who else made it if not for God? Atheist scientist always exlcude God from their work but keep disturbing themselves by this Mythical God.

This is another way atheist scientist fail, why do human have nails especially at the right places?

Also, you dont become gullible if you later found out you were wrong on something, you are gullible only when you accept everything without questioning and so become easily tricked as you are.

You all should go back to adult school to learn English.

Alright Mr. Ooman!

peterphd: The bible is the claimant so it needs a "witness" to prove it. The bible God is responsible for all the atrocities in the world IF the bible is true.he split languages, religion and other evils.

@bold-prove what?
Not that if the Bible is true; the Bible is true simple.

Man causes all the atrocities through disobedient, not God and God has provided away of overcoming the fall of man in Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour.

The yorubas have their own creation story. Why should I believe the Jewish myth? Can you prove that olodumare didn't create the world like they claim?

Did Olodumare of Yorubas claim to be ancient of days, evelasting father, only living God, and universal God?

So you're saying some people are bound for hell by virtue of not being born into a Christian home? That's the height of terrorism.

Where did you see it in my post that hell is for those who are not born into christian home?

Hell are for all unrightueosness one who walks not in the way of the living God.

So its God's will for the earth to swallow humans in earthquakes? For children to starve in Africa? For floods to wipe out entire towns? I can't worship such a terrorist.man isn't talking about preventing them as science has explained their cause but men are the ones that help the victims and not any Jewish god.

It happens through the fall of man always know that.

What causes the starving?
Why peterphd is not among the starving children?

I don't see how the world is perfect when we all know the universe is trying to kill us. We have asteroids and everything.

You can't see it because you put a wrong glass.

And how many people asteroids have killed compare to plane crash, motor accident, bombs, collapse of building ever created by man?

If the bible God is real then he botched the creation job he called perfect.I'm sure scientists could do better.he planted evidence of evolution, common ancestry and expects us to believe by "faith" and serve him for 80 yrs? *smh*

You're still confuse about it, Bible God is as real as water QED!

Just always remember man causes it. Like peterphd right now.
Yea! Scientist will do better no wonder they're still searching every where just for this mythical God Hmm!

P.S: I'm sorry if my post isn't orderly but try to reason out of your Christian "box".All religions can do what your Jesus can do.peace.

No problem bro. I always do that's why I can reply your post with the help of God. But sometime try to reason out of your own dark BOX and ask yourself if 'spiritualism' is not true why some people still hold on to it as TRUE despite that they know much/even more about science like peterphd, ooman, logicboy e.t.c?

The last time I check only Jesus ever died and resurrected, and still leave til date. Holyspirit is a witness to us-Heb 10:15

pls prove how other religions can do/claim what Jesus Christ do/claim?

Shalom!

peterphd: Well, some of us considered things like...
1.if the bible claims are true, what about all other religions? Will a good god send people to hell based on their belief alone?(even if they don't believe in Jesus)

John 8:32-Yea shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Who is this truth? John 14:6-Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and life no man cometh unto thr father, but by me.

What christian is claiming is a God who created heaven and earth, the ancient of days, evelasting father, one and only true God.

If you can challenge me bring any religion quote where their gods claim to be the above statement.

Yes He will judge you if you fail to know and worship Him.

2.every religion is as true as the other. If you claim Jesus is real and hold on to him for "benefit" don't you think the Muslim clings on to the Koran for such too?

No wonder they try to claim that Bible support the coming of their SAW! And other religions focus on christianity to fulfill the prophesy.

3.I don't see how any civil human can worship the Abrahamic gods and say they are loving. he holds a 6000yr grudge and cannot protect us on earth from natural disasters.

I can't see how man with his level and advance in technology can't prevent natural disatsers.

4.I don't see any good reason why a good God that is omniscient and all knowing should put us on earth to be tested so he can see us burn in hell. he gives angels a full, untested life and expects us to give him 80yrs servitude?

Oh man out of dust! Why are thou being beguilled at the beautiful place God has provided for you in a perfect world?

5.some of us have realised that religion is what causes people to accept their situation as "God's will" instead of bettering themselves and with attitude like that, the human race will be wiped out.

Anything He does, He does it at His own will and man must accept it.
If you fail to admit that it's God's will, I do.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

ooman: All Gods, like the Pink Unicorn, are nothing but figment of man's imagination.

Gods are necessary beings, people make them up because people need to feel they are loved.

The corrupt make Gods up because the corrupt need a God to always check their corruption.

The weak make Gods up because the weak need a person they can cry to.

The intellectually lazy make Gods up because they need an easy answer.

Any fit human being cannot spend his years worshipping a God, its a pathetic state of mind.

All what you put up here will be very pathetic if someone who called him/herself a christian either right from childhood or join along the line havn't had a geniue evidence of God's existence i.e hearing from God, baptized with Holyspirit e.t.c

OP, do you automatically become gullible if you later found that something you have believed in isn't really true? Is that when you are gullible? Pls go back to your English teacher to teach you where and when some words apply.

What if you later find out that your religion(atheism) is false?

What atheist fail to know about Jesus Christ is these I will quote 'Hisblud' here "The great 'mythical' Jesus Christ was around the roman empire, Roman empire ended- He continues; the great massacre of early saints by nero came and ended -He continues; the dark ages came and went -He continues; the great slave trade came and ended -He continues; the rise and fall of british empire, napoleon, french revolution -He continues; the industrial age -He continues; the communistic era -He continues; world wars 1 & 2 -He continues; the rise of radical islam and atheism He continues; on nairaland huxley and pilgrim.1 no more on nairaland -He continues; plateon and hisblud will come and go, He continues; I will add mine: Ooman and Emusan will come and go -He will continue; What a mythical character that is giving the most knowledgeable person in the world a nightmare.

If Jesus Christ is not real people like me will not deffend and preach Him.

Do you think Ooman, Muskeeto, plaeton, Kay 17, mazaje, and the rest know much about science than me or other poeple that have been arguing with them? No! But you people miss it when it comes to 'spirituality'.

1Timothy 6:20 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Colossians 2:18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen(Big b.ang & evolution), vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"

hisblud: The great "mythical" Jesus Christ was around the roman empire, it ended He continues; the great massacre of early saints by nero and ended, He continues; the dark ages came and went, He continues, the great slave trade came and ended; He continues; the rise and fall of british empire, napoleon, french revolution; He continues, the industrial age, He continues; the communistic era, He continues; world wars 1 & 2, He continues; the rise of radical islam and atheism, He continues; on nairaland huxley and pilgrim.1 no more on nairaland, He continues; plateon and hisblud will come and go, He continues... Phew! What a mythical character.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever!

I will only quote two verses from Romans and leave it for you to mediate upon because I know you love Bible study very well.

Roman 9:16&19 "16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."

"19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?"

Jamji: Prove to me that the spirit realm exist.angels,demons,spirits.most things i hear about spirit realm are stories from people who've claim to see spirits and angels. Now i demand proof.dont scare me with bible verses it wont work.if you can show me the spirit realm let me see with my physical eyes.even doubting thomas got his request answered. Whos first?

Can you prove to me that energy exist, how it looks like, its color e.t.c without telling stories?

alfaman1: What's this debate? Every foolish man knows that doG created the earth in 6 nights. A few years ago. He even wrote a book about it.

Is this how to give a meaningful reply as am intellectual being?

Just pray that NASA curiosity rover souldn't find any life on mars but if they find any small organism we have alot to discuss about it.