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Alfa Seltzer: Replace paranornal and afterlife with god in that interview and it's just the same bullshit of requiring people to prove their unbelief.If they don't have evidence to support their claims why do you think they forwared the case to the court? Most atheist are too close minded. |
OLAADEGBU: What to Put OnTruth is better! |
They truly know that but just keep deluding themselves everyday! |
Please just take a little time out of your time and read this interview to see how some ATHEIST argue blindly, it happens here on NL too! This is an interview between an open-minded skeptic 'victor J. Zammit' and a close-minded skeptic 'J Zwingi Randi'. Victor: Now, in the last forty years, have you properly investigated the paranormal? Randi: Yes! Victor: In forty years, have you ever accepted any aspect of the evidence for any paranormal phenomenon and the afterlife? Randi: No, never because, because my investigations show the paranormal and the afterlife do not exist Victor: Could you speak a little louder and repeat the last part you said after because Randi: I SAID THAT THE PARANORMAL AND THE AFTERLIFE DO NOT EXIST did you hear that? Victor: Very clearly THANK YOU! In the last forty years have you come across information that highly professional scientists – physicists, biologists, chemists and other professional paranormal and afterlife investigators came to the conclusion that the paranormal is valid and the afterlife exists? Randi: The paranormal and the afterlife are for people who believe in fairies Victor: THAT’S NOT WHAT I ASKED. ANSWER THE QUESTION Randi: Yes yes.. I know there are those who claim that Victor: Being made aware of the fact that scientists confirmed that the paranormal is valid, ON WHAT BASIS then do you NOT accept any of the claims by scientists that there is an afterlife and that the paranormal exists? Randi:The afterlife is for people who believe in Santa Clause Victor: Now, would that be your answer when the applicant says she should have passed the initial test of the challenge? Randi: ( hesitates then in a whisper) No! Victor: Have you ever stated specifically, WHERE, WHEN, HOW and WHY these scientists are wrong about their positive results of the paranormal? Randi: (Hesitates) Victor: ANSWER THE QUESTION! Randi: I don’t remember. Maybe I did that in the past sometime Victor: I PUT IT TO YOU THAT YOU NEVER DID - OTHEREWISE WE’D HAVE A COPY OF IT, RIGHT? I remind you - you are on oath here. Randi: No, I never stated where, when, how and why the scientists were wrong Victor: Have you ever read the afterlife scientific evidence which amounts to absolute proof by that brilliant Professor of physics Dr Jan W Vandersande Randi: No! Victor: NO? Did he not try very hard to take up your challenge? And as soon as you realized he was a physicist who had scientific proof for the paranormal and the afterlife, SOMEONE WHO WAS GOING TO BURST YOUR HOAX BUBBLE you just SLAMMED THE DOOR SHUT IN HIS FACE so that he’ll go away and save you embarrassment and a million dollars? Randi: I don’t remember!!! Victor: Always the very famous line, “I don’tremember”. Do you remember the name of John Benneth who wanted to apply for your challenge but you slammed the door in his face because he showed the potential to beat the challenge? Randi: Can’t say I remember him In this interview Randi denies he didn't remember more than TEN people that want to take up his challenge Victor: Did you come across that very important research, now a book, A SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE PARANORAL by Chris Carter from Oxford University? Randi: No! Victor: Of course not! Did you read the afterlife scientific classics proving the afterlife by that brilliant physicist Sir Oliver Lodge? Randi: NO Victor: Have you read the works of Professor David Fontana - once a skeptic but on investigating the afterlife he accepted the paranormal and the afterlife? Randi: Never heard of him Victor: Naturally enough are you not impressed by what this Professor stated - that in addition to his own investigation of the evidence for the afterlife, he came across critical information which showed that TWELVE NOBEL LAUREATE SCIENTISTS accepted the paranormal AFTER they investigated the paranormal? Randi: They're all wrong Victor: But you don't say WHY they are wrong? Randi: No I don't have to Victor: Have you ever heard of the empirical paranormal research of Dr Dean Radin Randi: Yes, I have but he’s wrong about what he says. Victor: Why is he wrong? Randi: Because the paranormal does not exist, THAT’S WHY! Victor: But have you shown WHY his evidence is not valid? Randi: I couldn’t be bothered To reserve space I didn't paste it all and skip some too. As usual some atheist will bury their head as if they didn't see this thread after they might have viewed it. You can read the detail here... http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/crossexaminationnumberPARTONE.htm |
Beretta92: Interesting! Why does it happen mostly during rainy season and hv u personally observed it happening in dry season?This is another expirence from different country. Without Iron nothing like god of Iron, without water nothing like mami water, without rain nothing like thunder so people that use it to do evil know the best time they can use it. The purpose of 'lightning and thunder' is to breaks condense water and bring rain but some people know how to manipulate it to hurt people just like the way God used it to save my village from evil accident. I witnessed one when there is no traces of a single rain drop. Have you browse about paranormal? Stop deluding yourself. |
Beretta92: @ Emusan,nice story but stories like dis usually hv inconsistences when analyzed n investigated. Moreover,it happened 18 yrs ago.i guess u must hv been quite young n didnt knw what really happened,n hv based yr claims on retellings by superstitious adults. BTW, do u know dat trees, n rocks dat contain conductive subtances are potential targets of lightning(which is simply electricity)? dats y it's advised nt 2 stay under trees n 2 maintain minimum contact with d ground during lightning strikes. and do u think d same natural processes were necessary for the lightning in yr story or it came 4rm a certain spiritual source?@bold-this is the major problem most atheist have, forgotten that there're some events that happened paranormally but they usually equate everything to science. Once paranormal is real in life then what most of you called superstition must truly have occured, beside most people all over the world have the same superstition story of yours before science came. Does it mean they were in the same place before they reach agreement? No! If I'm still young, does it mean I lack reality of what I see? I said I went there to see it. @color-Concerning some trees or rocks that have certain element to receiving lightning, just give me one element name that can receive lightning in them. If some trees or rocks have some certain elements that make them prone to thunder striking them it shouldn't be one tree or rock out of thousands of trees or rocks in the universe. If I even say ok some trees or rocks have those element indeed, what about the one that happened inside a house? It came from spiritual source because nature can't answer prayer. |
Let me support my statement above with this verse in the Bible Job 38:25 "Who has divided........, a way for the lightning of thunder;" |
Beretta92: what else could natural phenomena be than processes spurred by the forces of nature e.g evaporation n condensation lead to precipitation i.e rainfall.do u think lightning isn't a natural phenomenon? If yes,tell me why n how.dats y i opened dis thread n not for u to create a strawman to hold on to.Nice answer! That's why I demanded for your view on natural phenomenon. I don't know maybe you're among those that believe in existence of a supreme being or not, but if truly you want to hear the truth and accept that's why I'm going through this process to explain myself to you. In 1995, something happened in my home town "Okeagbe Akoko in Ondo state". There's one federal road that link Ikare Akoko to my home town and to Oyin Akoko. This road was constructed in early 1990, shortly after the construction of the road terrible accident usually occur at a point along the road very close to that point there was a small ROCK. Later it was revealed by many churches that (not only my church oooo) that rock has been bewitched by evil spirit, then serious prayer was raised for God's intervention. That faithful day, it seems like it will be rain and the rain just fall small for some minutes and stop but before it stoped there is a great lightning follow by a great thunder that strike that day. Later, when the rain stoped people discover that "that same rock has been shaltered into piece as if they use dyanimite to blast a rock, some people went there to see it and came back that they saw splashing of bloods in the place but no dead animal there. I didn't go there but there is a place you can stand and be looking at the path the thunder created just as if bulldozer works in that place "everything along its path was uprooted both trees and grasses". After the incident accident stoped. There is a big tree at the centre of the market (not the only tree in that market), it was also revealed that it has been bewitched. The day God shows His mighty power 'just like that rock', as thunder strike it uproots the tree and people can see at the centre of the stem there is a hole "inside the hole was found local pots, spoons e.t.c" I saw it with my na.ked eyes. The incident happened around 4-5pm not overnight. I don't know how your state/place is far I would've said you can confirm the story above. Okeagbe is the HQ of Akoko N/W LG, in Ondo state. If natural phenomenon in case of thunder occurs without a supreme being and purpose: Why is it that rock among others? Why is it only that tree because trees are many there? If I wasn't there I wouldn't have believed. Evolutionist believe till date that nothing like paranormal in nature but some open-minded scientist all over the world some are atheist, freethinker, rationalist have proved beyond any doubt that there're paranormal occurences in nature, yet Dawkins buries his head and pretend no such thing like paranormal. You can browse about paranormal and see if truly you want the truth as your Op implies. |
benalvino: So why all the noise that only 144,000 will go to heaven. na waoIt depends on who you ask. Examples are here on NL you can see different interpretations in Bible that's why I usually advise christians to read Bible on their own with the help of the HolySpirit. Thanks |
benalvino: Where are the great multitude? I really dont get the point you were trying to make though.The great multitudes are the total number of 144,000 tribes of Israel and the rest of people in the whole world. Remember the author said "..which no one could number". |
Alfa Seltzer: Sorry, I can't get that. Just explain here. Are you saying that all other versions of the bible are wrong and only the king james red bible is correct? How do you know what the red lettering denotes? It may not even be what you think. You want to attribute words to jesus using a non conjugated bible while discarding other more researched and better written ones. Christian logic at work.Way of prolonging matter. Someone quotes Bible you said the word isn't from Jesus and I advice you to get a Bible where Jesus words were all highlighted in red color yet you keep twisting yourself. Then if you know you can't get the Bible 'enilove' has spoken it is left for you to decide. |
benalvino: I was told by some religious group that only 140000 will go to heaven when I was growing up..When you have centered your mind that Bible is just a book then every verse in the Bible will continue to seem fake. Let's look at the very verse critically Rev 7:4 "And I heard the number of those who were sealed.[full stop not comma] One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:" @bold notice the puntuation mark "full stop not comma". The first line is a complete phrase "And I heard(see) the number of those who were sealed." Then the writer continue to explain only number of people revealed to him in his on tribe "One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:" And then he completed the sentence verse 4 first line in verse 9 "After these things(that is, after the angel has sealed everyone) I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb,......." If you look at the names mention in verse 9 they are all in plural form. God will help us to understand His word. |
Alfa Seltzer: The author of the gospel of John.Get a King James Red Bible all the words that Jesus spoken were written in RED letter. Just an advice sha... |
Alfa Seltzer: Lie @ bolded! Jesus didn't say that.Who said the word if not Jesus? |
Beretta92: seriously? Are u in kindergarten??No! Simple question just explain how you view your own natural phenomenon, that's what I asked. |
Pls Mr. Obadiah77 kindly re-read Exodus 14:1-end very well. Just let me quote this verse: Exo 14:22-"and the children of Israel wnet into the midst of the see upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto their right hand, and on their left." It also the same in 29 Notice the bold. |
[quote author=bobby.L]But why is this thread not being well responded to. Indeed, the prince of this world has blinded many.[/quote]That's their life. They always boycott anything they don't have enough facts to support/they know is true/can not be refuted except only Kay 17 I respect him because he's an open-minded atheist. He doesn't close his mind on any topic he will clearly say his mind. I noticed that in most of my thread. |
[quote author=Ijele-igbo]The way you broke down my post! Only an Atheist will effectively do that[/quote]You're right because it's only atheist that can think and study science as they do believe, christians don't have brain. Is better you tell yourself the truth and search for the truth. John 8:32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" Two questions arise from the very verse; 1) what is that truth we need to know? 2) The truth will make us free from what? Question 1 was answered in John 14:6-"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me. Question 2 was answered in John 16:33-"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of a good cheer, I have overcome the world." Shallom! |
Kay 17: ^^^Bible was written thousand of years ago, and the reason while God asked Job those question is because Job and his friends were talking about universe without knowledge(science), then God answered Job; Job 38:1-2 "Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, [2] Whos is this that darkeneth counsel(predict) by words without knowledge(science)." So these are things in those books that only a God could have known. Things that no man has ever known, or could conceivably have known in Job's time, until our century. Remember OT was written over 3000 years ago and poeple's knowledge were so limited to their environment as you can see the details @OP but someone who is greater than man and created all things with so much confidence could have inspired those verses accurately and we can testify with the help of science today. |
Beretta92: dont get uCan you explain the word natural phenomenon? |
Alfa Seltzer: I will paraphrase Jesus here and say let the dead bury the dead. I will worry about death when I die. For now, I am concentrating on living.The same Jesus you paraphrase is the one who says "For God so love the world that He gave only begotten Son and who so ever believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting LIFE" John 3:16 The word everlasting life has a beginning and end meaning. Before you have it you must believe and after you have it you live forever. |
[quote author=bobby.L]Nice thread. What about the prophecies. The four major empires. The end time increase in knowledge, etc.[/quote]All these are well fulfulled. |
Alfa Seltzer: Life is too short to spend pondering death.Truly is too short but what happen after death is the main issue on ground. |
Beretta92: I personally dont believe this. I think it to be a mere natural phenomenon, and i knw several Nigerians would disagree with me. Since it's been raining heavily here, folks hv been talking about it n i've debated a few. i'd like to knw yr thoughts on this.How can you define your own natural phenomenon? |
okeyxyz: @Emusan; @bizmahn;@bold-then you should know that some songs are abusive. |
[quote author=Ijele-igbo]Top 10 Reasons I’m Atheist 1. If we truly had one creator speaking to prophets, it would do so consistently, not contradictory as thousands of different religions have proven. 2. Living by the means of man helping man, and realizing time on earth is not a practice run, creates an urgency of life that requires fulfilling. 3. I asked my four-year-old daughter where the stars came from. She confidently said “The moon made them.” I followed by asking “Then where did the moon come from?” She strongly asserted “Daddy, the moon is the boss. Nobody made the moon.” This is an unmistakably familiar mindset; and rightfully embarrassing for an adult to hold such similar thought. 4. Demeter, Jesus, Apollo, Horus, Zeus, Mithra, Yahweh, Tammuz, Ganesha, and Allah are only 10 of the thousands of gods recorded in history. An Atheist is not one that refuses to read religious doctrine; it is often one who reads too many. 5. In the technicalities of most religions, there is no difference between a believer that dies before having time to repent, and a nonbeliever that rejected the doctrine altogether. 6. If the Christian god created humans as sinners, how could it rightfully expect us to believe the corrupt messengers it has sent to teach us the way of life? 7. “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?” – Epicurus 8. All babies are Atheists. Religions are taught depending on the location and era in which you are raised. Being born in the U.S. in 1974 does not make you right, it most likely just makes you another Christian. That’s no better or worse than the person born in Tibet in 1955, who proudly worships the Dalai Lama. 9. It is better to find your own answers and make an educated decision, than to intentionally remain uneducated and make a fearful one. 10. Only for the sake of argument, if I were to astonishingly find myself face to face with a supreme being, I would expect to be judged on my life as a humanist, and how I treated others, (just as most Christians plan to be judged on character, not on the actual Ten Commandments). If my positive actions were ignored, and I was instead judged on using my intelligence to doubt religious doctrines created by human sinners, I would rather be eternally punished than bow to such an unfair tyrant who made things seemingly impossible for humans to succeed at this horrific game. After more than a year of responding to comments on this and continuing my debates and investigations into religion, and my own psychology, I realized there was an 11th, and most important reason for my atheism… 11. I simply refuse to be a hypocritical, disingenuous Christian. I could go through the motions, attend the churches, shake the hands, follow the rituals of whichever religion or denomination of Christianity I liked the best, sing the songs, and help with the luncheons. That still wouldn’t make me a believer. It would make me a pretender. I am honest with myself and those around me that these things don’t make sense to me. That doesn’t make me a bad person. It makes me an atheist. Written by David Smalley of Dogma Debate[/quote]Well nobody can hold you responsible for your own personal decision. In his statement he didn't say there's no God. You can name God as a wickecd, cruel e.t.c but to claim there's no God is my argument with atheist. |
Mattew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the SUN be darkened, and and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken: How this prove the existence of God? Because in most ancient time what the believe is that Sun and the Moon produce light on their own but only God could have known over 2000 years ago that without sun moon can't produce light. Some people do misinterpret this very verse by saying "SUN & MOON" won't give their light, WRONG! Let's look at this phrase again ".....shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light..." Looking at this phrase Jesus clearly stated that immediately sun darken then moon will not give her light any more. Again second to the last phrase (".....and the stars shall fall from heaven....." is being misinterpreted by some people by saying many stars are bigger than the earth so it's not possible for stars to fall on earth.Jesus didn't specify in His statement where the stars will fall to whether 'earth or not' yet they just assume that it was earth. The hebrew word 'naphal' is where 'fall' is translated from it could also mean 'adandon, fail'. If we replace any of these two words in the phrase it will read "....and the stars shall fail from heaven...." which could simply mean fail to give light also. |
Affiliated: GenesisEverything you put up there means there's no God or He's not omni-potent? Because you read Bible at a certain age makes you believe that Bible is not complete. If I make ask, are you arguing that there's no God or there's God but Bible is not complete? |
SniperInADiaper: I believe it all has to do with the physical manifestation of Jesus which some believe to be God. I believe that there are 3 separate entities. God (the father) Jesus (the son) and then the Holy Ghost. Each are of their own, but together the purpose is one. Jewish belief is different than the normal Christian belief, but so is mine compared to others I suppose. I believe that because of the atonement that we all can go to Heaven as long as we accept the atonement and live to our best.@bold- This is the major problem we have in christendom today "making asertion without the help of the Holy Spirit". If you don't believe people will go to hell for not believing in Jesus then you disprove Jesus saying in John 14:6 and call God a liar because He said "Heaven and earth shall passed away but none of His words shall go without fulfilled" remember BIBLE is the word of God. |
okeyxyz: For any true christian: All songs is good for listening and enjoyment. Nothing can corrupt his mind or conscience, just as God himself is incorruptible.No, I disagree with you. Songs are message sent to do a particular work in people's life that listen to them. Just like christians hymn! For instance, a drunker have some song he can listen to that will boost his ego to drink more. There're some songs recommend for couples anytime they want to meet. There're truly some songs from the pit of hell. |
mazaje: the bible very clearly says that the stars were created for signs among other things, yet we have you running around lying through your teeth trying to explain lies. . .The bible talks about stars falling into the earth and the lying davidylan claims is meteorites, the bible says the moon gives off its light and the lying davidylan claims its reflection from the sun. . .How do you know this?. . .Where was it written in the bible.Anti-christian always use this statement to claim that BIBLE is wrong. Then what evidence do you have to claim that stars were created before earth? Don't mention big bang because is out of it. Again see what the Bible says; Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days SHALL THE SUN BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, AND THE STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken." In a clear manner without setiment the writer mention darken of the SUN first before moon given off its LIGHT. Today we all know that moon derives its light from the sun. This is one of the thing only God could have known about two thousand years ago because most acient poeple believe that moon produce light on its own. Also, the writer didn't mention where the stars will fall into whelther it's 'earth' or not yet you people have concluded that it is earth. |
F00028: ^^^u have still not answered the questionThis is the question that the OP ask: "Now do Christians believe that the Jews(God's chosen people) will still enter heaven even though they reject Jesus? And if the Jews don't enter heaven what make Africans think they will get in?" because you don't want to hear the truth you cover your eyes not to see any truth in 'enilove's' reply. anyway, how did you know it was God?If you want to know grab your BIBLE with an open mind and read. ROMANS 10:12-13 "[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13] For whosoever shall call the name of the Lord (Jesus Christ) shall be saved." |
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is being misinterpreted by some people by saying many stars are bigger than the earth so it's not possible for stars to fall on earth.