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[quote author=From_Guiriga]Bredren, you summed up my argument. It looks silly to say the word of God is contained in 66 books. I agree.[/quote]You get it wrong your initial argument was that Bible is not the word of God.

Anyhow you put it "Bible is the Word of God".

okeyxyz: Mehn!!! Dis Jesus don suffer oo. With the kain effort wey everybody dey put for work to prove say im no exist at all.. chaii!!!

I'm telling you.

@ayenny

It's like you lack some basic knowledge in English puntuations mark in your primary school. Please try to do much research on that. With this most people read Bible and neglecting the English rules wheras Bible was written with best English stardand protocols "obeyed both puntuations, grammatical expresion, and Idiomatic rules".

Let's look at John 14:16-17 "and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever ; 17 Even the spirit of truth; whom the world cannot recieve, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you"

Looking at the end of verse 16 you will see a semicolon mark there.

Now what is a semicolon? "Semicolons help you connect closely related ideas when a style mark stronger than a comma is needed.

With this definition you can see a close related ideas of verse 16 & 17 which simply means Jesus Christ was talking about Holyspirit not a prophet.
Anyway maybe you can disprove the semicolon in between the two verse sha!

You don't believe in Jesus Christ teaching yet you believe His prophesy, how dumb are you to believe one statement out of hundred statements?

If you need interpretation of verses you've quoted that seems confused about Jesus Christ and Holyspirit let's discuss that in another thread. Forget about about Christ breeds Muslim issue it's a pure fraud.

deSika: my brother, the thing baffles me too. it seems one of the fruits of been a muslim is low reasoning, self delusion etc.

I'm tied for the guy.

I asked him did he believe in Jesus teaching he couldn't answer the question correctly.

He didn't believe in Jesus' teaching but believe His prophesy, what kind dumb logic is that one?

ayenny02: Can you tell the teaching of jesus that the prophet (saw) did not teachHe shall bring all things into your remembrance:

The prophesy of this coming Paraclete requires that he shall remind mankind of the words of Jesus. Jesus is speaking here not to those who disbelieved, but to his own followers. He is telling his followers that the Paraclete shall "remind" them of the message of Jesus. However, if the followers of Jesus already know and remember all that Jesus taught then how shall the Paraclete "remind" them of something which they already remember?

Obviously, the coming Paraclete shall come in a time when the teachings of Jesus have been forgotten and require one to "remind" Jesus' followers of them. Indeed, the Qur'an does in fact confirm this same situation.
If you want answer for this, pls open your thread and call me OLODO

Pls compare these two color statement above with all your arguement. Infact arguing with you is a waste of time.

deSika: my brother, the thing baffles me too. it seems one of the fruits of been a muslim is low reasoning, self delusion etc.

I'm tied for the guy.

I asked him did he believe in Jesus teaching he couldn't answer the question correctly.

He didn't believe in Jesus' teaching but believe His prophesy, what kind dumb logic is that one?

truthman2012: Thirdly, the promise of Holy Spirit had been fulfilled when He (Holy Spirit) came upon the disciples and they started speaking in new tongues (Acts 2:1-7). Muslims usual excuse here is that the Holy Spirit had been in existence before that time. Yes. He used to come and go, He was not residing permanently in man. Nobody before then spoke in a new tongue. The world was not expecting Muhammad.

I think the major point Ayenny miss out is that bolded.

I keep wondering somebody you don't believe in His teaching suddenly become a person you solely embraced His prophecy.

@Ayin

Answer the question that 'Mintayo' asked.

See some attributes of the Holyspirit.

*Because the Bible ALSO says the Holy Spirit can be “quenched” (1 Thessalonians 5:19).

*The Holy Spirit is given in measured amounts (John 3:34, 2 Corinthians 1:22)

*The Holy Spirit can be “poured out” (Acts 2:17, 33),

*people can be baptized (immersed) in it (Matthew 3:11) , drink it (John 7:37-39) , and be filled with it (Acts 2:4;Ephesians 5:18)

Does your Muhammad possess all these attributes?

If you want to claim Islam claim it fully nobody will beat you for that stop hidding under Christian/Bible to claim Islam breeds out from someone you don't believe in His words but believe His prophesy.

ayenny02: We, Muslims believe that Jesus was servant and Messenger of God,

With this your reply it means you just quote Bible to support your fallacious statement because Jesus Himself clearly declare he's a Son of God.

Jesus said He's a Son of God you don't believe Him (you just conclude with yourself He's a servant of God) but you believe when He said He will send your prophet come! How does it make sense to you?

Bible also testify to it.
All of mankind are the servants of God. If a man were to own another man then that man would be his servant. Obviously this servant would be held in a lower regard than this man's own children (or himself). We do not usually find people telling their sons (or themselves): "come here my servant," or "Go over there my servant." Let us compare this with what God has to say about Jesus (as):

Matthew 12:18: "Behold my servant, whom I have chosen."

Acts 3:13(RSV): "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,.... hath glorified his servant Jesus."

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am"

John 17:1-"These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that also may glorify thee:"

Matt 16:16 "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"

Why can't you quote these verses also?

A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet.   Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit.  Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit.  He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26.   Read 1 John 4:1-3 below:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world,"

Since you fail to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God your arguemnet is baseless. If you need real Bible study and understanding of it I will do that not here open a thread and invit me.

The Holy Ghost according to the Bible was "with" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (as) himself and then throughout his ministry. Read for example.

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)

"Then said Jesus to them again, as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22)

Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (as) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with John before the birth of Jesus (as)?
if Jesus (as) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.

You keep repeating this lies, like I said above let's have an insight and clear knowledge on Bible together.

[quote author=big-t]Petty inventions built on men's inventions! [/quote]Why can't you appreciate the little one they did? Remember millions of women are outside.

You call it petty but I believe your first/next car will be a bullet-proof one.

musKeeto: Yes. I did. I once believed some one was up there answering prayers. I once believed that the Bible was his word. Then I had a few experiences and had to do some research. And I found out the Bible GOD is real like ideas are. Ideas are powerful. You realize that your God's as real as the next man's.

All I had to do was turn off the faith switch...

@bold-See yourself after you have had some expirenced you still went ahead and conclude the Biblical God is real like ideas are.
What kind of expirence do you have then?

Have you ever been baptized with Holyspirit in the time you're a christian?

1. Cookies and milk a tradition made possible by Ruth Wakefield

Ruth Wakefield had worked as a dietitian and food lecturer before buying an old toll house outside of Boston with her husband. Traditionally, toll houses were places weary travelers paid their road tolls, grabbed a quick bite and fed their horses. Wakefield and her husband converted the toll house into an inn with a restaurant. One day in 1930, Wakefield was baking up a batch of Butter Drop Do cookies for her guests. The recipe called for melted chocolate, but Wakefield had run out of baker's chocolate. She took a Nestle chocolate bar, crumbled it into pieces and threw it into her batter, expecting the chocolate pieces to melt during baking. Instead, the chocolate held its shape, and the chocolate chip cookie was born.

2. Admiral Hopper at her retirement ceremony in 1986

When we think about advancements in computers, we tend to think about men like Charles Babbage, Alan Turing and Bill Gates. But Admiral Grace Murray Hopper deserves credit for her role in the computer industry. Admiral Hopper joined the military in 1943 and was stationed at Harvard University, where she worked on IBM's Harvard Mark I computer, the first large-scale computer in the United States. She was the third person to program this computer, and she wrote a manual of operations that lit the path for those that followed her. In the 1950s, Admiral Hopper invented the compiler, which translates English commands into computer code. This device meant that programmers could create code more easily and with fewer errors. Hopper's second compiler, the Flow-Matic, was used to program UNIVAC I and II, which were the first computers available commercially.

3. Sarah Mather patented the submarine telescope and lamp.

When Martha Coston was widowed in 1847, she was only 21 years old. She had four children to support, but she hadn't a clue about how to do so. She was flipping through her dead husband's notebooks when she found plans for a flare system that ships could use to communicate at night. Coston requested the system be tested, but it failed.
Coston was undeterred. She spent the next 10 years revising and perfecting her husband's design for a colored flare system. She consulted with scientists and military officers, but she couldn't figure out how to produce flares that were bright and long-lasting while remaining easy to use at the spur of the moment. One night she took her children to see a fireworks display, and that's when she hit upon the idea of applying some pyrotechnic technology to her flare system. The flare system finally worked, and the U.S. Navy bought it.

4. Margaret Knight's invention led to the ubiquitous question, "Paper or plastic?"

Margaret Knight didn't invent the paper bag, but those first paper bags weren't all that useful for carrying things. Knight realized that paper bags should have a square bottom; when weight was distributed across the base in this way, the bags could carry more things.
In 1870, she created a wooden machine that would cut, fold and glue the square bottoms to paper bags. While she was working on an iron prototype of the machine to use for her patent application, she discovered that her design had been stolen by a man named Charles Annan, who had seen her wooden machine a few months earlier. She filed a patent interference suit against Annan, who claimed that there was no way that a woman could have developed such a complex machine. Knight used her notes and sketches to prove otherwise, and she was granted the patent for the device in 1871.

5. When Anderson first proposed the windshield wipers, some people thought it would be too distracting to drivers.

Anderson received the patent for her device in 1903; just 10 years later, thousands of Americans owned a car with her invention.

6. Bulletproof vests are now standard equipment for police officers by Kwolek

Stephanie Kwolek took a position at DuPont in 1946 so she could save enough moneyto go to medical school. In 1964, she was still there, researching how to turn polymers into extra strong synthetic fibers. Kwolek was working with polymers that had rod-like molecules that all lined up in one direction.

7. Mary Kies was the first American woman to earn a patent in her own name. In 1809, she developed a way of weaving straw into hats that was an economic boon for New England.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/inventions/10-things-that-women-invented.htm

kambo: thats d beauty of christianity. U can dropout and jettison God anytime and He wont threaten u ar com 4 ur life.

u probably were never saved , just followg blind procedures.
Then it occured to u,u were just jumping thru hoops in d name of religion. Anyway, u were honest and bold enuff 2 quit, others like u no mor believ but 4 fear of censure stay with it.

Theyre others who'v experienced God in d tangible way u and fellow atheists seek. Whch makes ur case against is exstence weak.
It cuts both ways broda. Run bck to ur father while u can.

@color- You made a great point!
No wonder inside church to day you will still find an armed robbers, prostitute, 419 e.t.c

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed(Holyspirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,....." [6]"......Whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.

One glass that atheist will fail to put on in life is SPIRITUALITY, no matter how you explain it to them because they derived their belief in materialism i.e nature consists only matters.

@op I quite understand your point. Stop keep wondering when someone who claims to be a christian later said there's no God it happens all the time because a christian who claims he/she has accepted Christ but not yet BAPTIZED with Holyspirit will surely fall a victim of that.

It may sound funny to them because it beyonds their physical knowledge. Some of them will say I've read Bible from Genesis to Revelation yet I couldn't find the existence of God but if you ask them do they expirence the baptism of the Holyspirit during their christian's life the respond will be No! because baptism of the Holyspirit is just a pure lie and deceive.

Then you will know that atheism is a faith for those who fails to find the truth.

ayenny02: YES, Holy spirit is not God and Holyspirit is not JesusI will wait to give me more detail about Holyspirit
That he may abide with you for ever:

In these verses, Jesus (as) is quoted as saying that the coming Paraclete will "abide with you forever." What does he mean by this? In order to understand this statement, let us read

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying." John 8:51-55

and also

"And I (Jesus) give unto them (the believers) eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:28

and "and my servant David [shall be] their prince forever." Ezekiel 37:25.

and "The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD ... He asked life of thee, [and] thou gavest [it] him, [even] length of days for ever and ever." Psalm 21:1-4

... etc.

Jesus (as) is quoted many times in the Bible as telling his followers that they will never taste death. However, there is not a single one of them alive to this day. Was he lying? Of course not!

In a similar manner, when king David is described as being a prince forever, this did not mean that he would never die but remain immortal for ever and ever as a prince to Israel. Rather, his teachings, name, and guidance shall remain as a shining beacon to mankind even after his death.

In this manner, Jesus (as) lives among us through his faith and teachings, prophet Abraham (pbuh) lives on among them and us through his faith and teachings, and so too, the coming Paraclete will live eternally with us through his faith and teachings.

The Paracletos will be the last prophet, because he will "abide with you forever" and "he will guide you into all truth" and "he shall teach you all things," so there will be no need for any further prophets. In the Qur'an we read:

"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is Aware of all things." al-Ahzab(33):40

And "This day have I (God) perfected your religion for you (mankind) and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion Islam(the submission)." al-Maidah(5):3

So the religion of Islam is the last message to mankind and it, as well as the Qur'an, will abide with them forever. To this day, Muhammad (pbuh) abides with us through his teachings. Muhammad (pbuh) indeed remains alive and well among us in the vast collection of over 9,500 quotations recorded from him during his lifetime in a broad range of topics. This collection of quotations is named the "Hadeeth." To this day, whenever a Muslims wishes to perform any action no matter how trivial, he does not advance a single step before first consulting Allah/God (in the Qur'an), and then prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (in the Hadeeth). Be it a question on how and what to eat or drink, how to perform marriages, how to pray, what sort of trade or commerce is permissible or prohibited, or what sort of clothes to wear, no Muslim presumes to undertake any action before first obtaining the approval of God then His prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) truly is alive and well among us.

Jesus (as) had "the whole truth" and had many things he longed to teach his disciples but he could not give it to them because they "cannot bear them now." These matters would only be revealed six centuries later by God through the agency of Muhammad (pbuh). What new truths has the Holy Spirit guided us into after the departure of Jesus (pbuh) which Jesus (pbuh) had no say in?

Just one question for you, did Muslim believe Jesus is the son of GOD? If you can answer it with sincerity I will further my discusion with you. Becaus your reply clearly stated that Jesus was talking about your prophet.

But you read it in the Bible that is after they (desciples) received the Holyspirit the ministry of the gosple increases greatly and Jesus told them they should wait in Jerusalem until they receive the Holyspirit, why is it that after the desciples have died about 400 years later your prophet now came and did muhammad follow the teaching of JESUS Christ? Keep deluding yourself. Because Jesus said the comforter will follow His steps.

Another fact about what only God could've known!

Let's see these Bible verses
Isaiah 43:16-17 "16Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters; 17 Which bringeth forth the chariot and horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise: they are extinct, they are quenched as tow.

Verse 17 clearly stated how fossil had formed and how lives had gone into extinction.

Scientist has recorded that 98% of lives had gone into extinction which it can be traced back to Genesis global flood (for a creationist).

And generally speaking, a fossil is any evidence of past plant or animal life that is preserved in the material of the Earth's crust. But when most people talk about fossils, they mean a specific subsection of this group -- fossils in which the shape of the animal or plant has been preserved, while the actual organic matter of its body is gone.

With such certainty only God could vividly know that some lives has gone extinct and formed fossilize materials about 3000 years ago because He made them happened the way they were today.

mcfynest: if u noticed, it was a question which i would love science adherents to prove.

Now I understand. I don't know you mean 'Has'.

I will reply once I'm true.

mollie12: What message are you trying to pass across exactly?

This opening remark of yours was confusing, and the topic you chose is also not helping matters. If you cite a quotation from someone you don't agree with you should try to highlight the quote with a different color or font and immediately write after the quote your own point of view.

I believe there is enough confusion on this NL Religion section - please everyone should clearly identify which point of view they belong to as they post. Thanks.

No! The thread isn't confuse at all simply because some people do believe that the life they live have nothing to do with the existence of God. They are capable of guiding their life rightly without Holyspirit.

This thread can help a little about your question.

https://www.nairaland.com/1236225/christianity-not-religion

mcfynest: what truly is religion? what idms that phenomenom that have being in the human race since time immemorial?, have man just been serving himself and he calls it religion or God? regardless of where you leave, you have in no doubt seen for yourself what how religion affects the lives of people. In the name of religion, millions have killed and been killed(eg are d crusades and the jihads). did religion actually grew out of magic or the fear of the unkwnown or as sigmud Frued will put it "father figure neurosis"?
why do we say christianity is the true religion and not judaism, why do we claim islam is the way and not budhism?, why hinduism and not shintoism?, taois and not confusianism, peganism and not atheism?
if you claim you believe in what you believe in because your religion(eg the abramaic religions) are based on fact not myth or are based on people that have existed before then you also should believe in shango because he was a king of the old oyo empire.
As science truly proved that religion is a pure fraud! or just something we cook up because we do not understand certain wonders of mother nature?
Now the question is this.... why do you consider what you believe in as the truth?

My question is @bold: how did science prove religions are pure fraud?

Deep Sight: The fundamental principle of evolution is development of species through natural selection.

Natural Selection is based on the notion that favours survival of the fittest.

Creatures supposedly develop features over time that enable them to survive competitively within the natural world.

Thus Evolution and natural selection tend firmly towards life and survival.

This in itself clearly presupposes that nature is life-driven - as it continuously hones its creatures towards life.

Perhaps the question should be asked: why is this? Why is nature interested in the furtherance of life?

It is paradoxical as a strictly material universe surely could not be bothered about furthering life.

It thus emerges that the very principle of natural selection which operates to further life is compelling evidence that the entire system we live in is life-driven and grows towars the furtherance of life.

Why is this?

A good answer to my mind would be the existence of God - Ultimate Life, as it were.

Because it is glaring that if LIFE by itself were not a living pulsating reality, nature could just as easily have tended towards death or annihilation.

Evolution proves the existence of God!

Anybody that keeps arguing about LIFE is seriously under delusion because scientists themselves don't know how life start on earth. Natural selection is just a mere assumption about life.

VanTee20: An angry wife conversing with her husband on phone...

Wife: Where the hell are
you?

Husband: Honey, Do you remember that gold shop
where u saw a diamond
necklace and totally fell in
love with it?

Wife (in a relaxed tone): Yes I do Darling.

Husband: Remember I had no cash to buy it
for you that day & I said I'll buy it for you someday.

Wife (totally
relaxed with a smile): Yes I remember my love!

Husband: Good, I am in the barbers shop next to
that shop!

The husband has set fire on, no be small gbege when he reachs house.

bcomputer101: SAI BUHARI...

Observation! Please change the thread title 'Is' to 'His'
Thanks!

My question is which step does the OP make to reduce criminal act in our society?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
Paul said all sinned.
Jesus said neither a man nor his parent sinned. (John 9:2-3)

Reconcile that for me please.

Thanks.[/quote]Like @Tolu has said your arguement is baseless. From Bible is not the word of God to inaccuracy of the Bible. I know your next question will be if Bible is the word of God, why is it not accurate? As one of your people did above. The problem is that to interpret the Bible you need the original word which is the 'inspiration of God' but most people fail to know this.

According to the verse you refer to they asked Jesus about a boy who was blind right from the womb to know maybe is the boy that sinned or his parent's sin that make him blind but Jesus let them know none of them sinned but for the glory of God to manifest while Paul's teaching was based on human race as a whole.

Use anything you have to work for God man.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]
Truth, Love and Righteousness. Life forever more.
[/quote]How did you know the word of God claim all these?

Then you can see the reason why I said I don't need any other book than that 66 books because all these are also inside this 66 books.

My question is if the Word of God is Truth, Love and Righteousness. Are you obeying the word of God?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]No, the Jews rejected Jesus because he was not the king they were expecting. A power hungry messiah that would give them the land of Canaan and have them rule over their enemies and so forth.
My friend, do you think that God need people to reject his son for anyone to accept to be partaker of the gospel?[/quote]Yes! They believe He was not the king they were expecting but He proved it to them many times. They same Jews that rejected Him later some finally believe and repent.

All you need are the 66 books because that is what you were introduced to. This is the main point I'm discussing and my main contention. If you had been a Jew then you'll be here saying you ONLY need the 47 books of their Tanak. But if you were an Ethiopian then you might need even more books.
So, you see how the needle is moving now.

Yes! It was introduced to me and I found it complete by the help of God.

Please just give me a reason why I need to read those books that was not in the Bible?

What you believe is personal and I do agree with you that if you deem it that all you need is 1 book then that is all you need.
But for anyone to believe that the word of God can be contain in 66 books is in my opinion that person is misinformed.

It will look silly to think God's word was all written in 66 books, does it mean God stop talking to people after after the revelations of John? Put away setiment and think straight.

When Jesus was on the scene there was not no new testament until years after his death. Can you believe that, after the son God came on the scene then the word of God was put together later.

The Old Testament has been put together before Jesus was born that's what gave them idea of compile the New Testament.

These are the type of thing these people who spread this propaganda don't reason. They don't want to. They are happy with their belief. That is OK with me. But they make a mistake when they come to me and tell me, here this is the word of God. Go read this.
If I tell them then accept the Quran where it says this is the word of God and there are no error in it.

I can see the reason why you're hurt in spirit to reject Bible as the word of God.

Why can't you continue to call Quran the word of God. Afterall many Christians have change to Muslim likewise Muslim to Christian.

They won't.

Must everybody accept Quran? After some people have change to Islam.

Anyhow bredren, I went off on a rant here. Sorry.

Give thanks for the reasoning and sound advice.

Good! May God continue to shine His light on us.

Shallom!

@guiriga

can you tell me what you understand be the word of God?

-

omo alaro: THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE

GENESIS AUTHOR One of the "five books of Moses."
EXODUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
LEVITICUS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
NUMBERS AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses.
DEUTERONOMY AUTHOR Generally credited to Moses. 
JOSHUA AUTHOR. Major part credited to Joshua. 
JUDGES AUTHOR. Possibly Samuel, 
RUTH AUTHOR AUTHOR. Not definitely known, perhaps Samuel.  
FIRST SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown. 
SECOND SAMUEL AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
SECOND KINGS AUTHOR. Unknown.
FIRST CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Unknown, probably collected and edited by Ezra. 
SECOND CHRONICLES AUTHOR. Likely collected and edited by Ezra.
EZRA AUTHOR. Probably written or edited by Ezra. 
ESTHER AUTHOR. Unknown.
JOB AUTHOR. Unknown.
PSALMS AUTHOR. Principally David,though there are other writers.
 ECCLESIASTES AUTHOR. Doubtful, but commonly assigned to Solomon.
ISAIAH AUTHOR. Mainly creditedto Isaiah. Parts may have been written by others. 
JONAH AUTHOR. Unknown.
HABAKKUK AUTHOR. Nothing known of the place or time of his birth. 

The above facts are from Collins' R.S.V. 1971. Pages 12-17. 

Can we still say that the bible is the word of God?

Those things you called error are from compilation from the original manuscript.

Do you think the people that compiled Bible are so daft not to notice those errors?

About the authors I will advise you to search more about it and beside because the person that wrote the books didn't put his name you mean those people should've formulated the names?

You should've reasoned with it that those people are very truthful and just because if they put name nobody would've known but they decided to do it according to how it was found.

Whether you believe Bible is the word of God or not/contains errors or not it doesn't change whom the God really Is and His standard. People keep looking at the errors in the Bible yet they never see the truth in it.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]Why are you so concerned with the what the Jews rule out because there was or there was not a prophet in the land at the time? You take that as authority from them? Are these not the same Jews that tell you Jesus is NOT the Messiah?
Yet you believe that he is (I assume).
Here is a clear cut example how you lean to your own understanding of the situation arriving at your own conclusion but when it comes to exploring beyond what the Hebrews or Jews say, you are shackled. Very obedient.[/quote]Don't get me wrong I only telling you why they didn't insert those 14books in their scripture.
Yes there rejected Jesus so that you and I can be a partaker of the gosple.

That is my point, who are you or any so called Jew for that matter to say what is inspired or what is not?

Are you fighting somebody?
My own inspiration comes from God I don't know yours.

How do you explain that the "word of God" did not reach the Amazonian Brazil until recently? These people have been living and dying without the "knowledge" that supposedly God sent his son to die for them, which is essential to God's supposedly salvation plan.
Explain this, please.

Don't worry it will get there. Jesus didn't say the whole world will receive the good gosple at once, He said "And this gosple of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nation; and then shall the end com" matt 24:14

Back to Jude...Whether Jude was a prophet or not, he did quote from the book of Enoch which people say is in circulation until this day. In fact, is part of the Ethiopian bible!

All what I needed is in that 66books God's word can never cease or end.

What you claim to "know" is what has been passed down to you by the so called Jews in their books or literature in their 66 books.

If my claims is only on 66books or Jews saying, then I won't be a christian today. You think I'm one of those keep arguing about God but nothing like a tangible evidence to prove the existence of God. NO! I have had a personal evidence that prove to me that God truly exist using the same 66books, so what else do I want to know again?

You say you don't need to read all books to know the truth. I agree with you. Yet you confide yourself in books for your truth. I don't understand.

I'm going to sokoto to buy something but deeping down my hand inside my sokoto I found what I suppose to go sokoto to buy. Do I still need to go to sokoto again?

Christians will continue to argue about God until they get their story straight about God. They don't even agree on who is God.

*If you call your relationship with God a story then there's a problem
This is the major problem in christendom today people are no more worshiping God but still looking on how Moses parted red sea, the power that David used to kill Goliath, how come Jesus resurrected without his body rotten instead to concentrate on worshiping the most high.

I don't argue mush about religions because I have found the truth I needed, I always share my thought as Holyspirit leaded but if you still want to continue to argue I rest my case.

But please just concentrate much on how God can use you more.

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The major point you try to bring out is that: the messager/comforter that Jesus promise is your prophet but you forgot that in Jesus statement Jesus said "...he will abide with you forever" which means 'he's an immortal' being always know that one.

My simple question is as you know much about Bible, do you know much about Holyspirit Himself? Because I can see you always support your quote with Bible verses.

I will give more deatils about the Holyspirit when I get home.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]The question is why are they not part of the cannon?[/quote]They were never considered as part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and the Jews themselves clearly ruled them out by the confession that there was, throughout that period, no voice of the prophets in the land. I stated this in my previous post.

The reason why I point at the Ethiopian bible is because it has more book than that of the 66 book standard bible. So how can the word of God be short of books?

OK, the Catholic bible uses the Apocrypha but the Ethiopian bible has more, 81 books.

see my reply to bizi above

Jude quoted from the book of Enoch. You do know that right?

Yes!

Have you read this books? The book of Tobit for example?

I don't need to read all books before I know the truth. I know God exist and send His son to die for my sin and His son also promise me Holyspirit that will even teach me more of things I don't know which I can testify. I just don't go to church because they said to me God exist but I go to church to render my service to God once you have Holyspirit you have it all.

Like I said when will christians stop arguing about God instead to focus on the promises of God. Is that the true message of Christ?