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[quote author=dr.shrewd]the bible also make a case contrary to these acclaim researches.in ecclesiastical 9:5 the bible states: For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward. so you mean that the bible lied [/quote]Did you see any Bible quote from the thread? The purpose of creating this thread is to let you know that nature doesn't consist only matter but also spirit. Spirit do exist!

[quote author=outc*st]Science does not confirm or verify after death experience. Science deals with the physical and not metaphysics. Metaphysics is beyond the scope of science and as such it is not verifiable for now as far as science is concerned.[/quote]So once you know this, why did you open the thread? I believe the title should've distracted you not to open. The people mention at the thread are they not scientist?

The only thing you can proud of as a science student is connecting battery with a bulb yet you're spitting trash.

[quote author=outc*st]The OP is very misleading![/quote]Why can't you quote the misleading part rather than following people.

musKeeto: Calm down.

'makes an extremely strong case for' is different from 'confirms that'.. The OP is misleading.

Make una dey cool down for this section, na wa..

@bold-I hope you check the link before you conclude 'Op is misleading'.

musKeeto: The Bible also makes an extremely strong case that there's a heaven and hell.

Means what? Can't you see at the beginning of the thread that isn't about religion stuff or did you see anything religious in the thread?

Too know is a disease.

Yungwizzzy: Shey na now dem knw? Me wey dey spirit everyday.

No some never agree espectially nairaland Atheist and their father Prof. Dawkins because once they accept that spirit exist their claims is over. But now is either they agree or hold on to personal personal believe.

This research has nothing to do with religions.

A group of British scientists, including two astrophysicists, a thermodynamicist, and other professional researchers, are conducting experiments and solving complex equations that they believe furnish conclusive and irrefutable proof of human survival of bodily death.
Michael Roll, a rationalist and freethinker who heads The Campaign for Philosophical Freedom, is unofficial spokesman for the group. He has recently revealed information that could drastically alter humankind’s entire belief system regarding continuation of consciousness beyond the grave. He and his colleagues’ series of discoveries, involving mathematical equations and physical experiments, when taken together, furnish empirical evidence that makes an extremely strong case for continuing after-death survival of the human psyche.

The researchers’ premise is that certain recent mathematical discoveries, combined with results of in-depth exploration of physics and quantum mechanics, now furnish verification for many previous well-documented scientific experiments dealing with what has been previously known as “psychic phenomena.” These experiments were, and are being, conducted by various researchers from the late nineteenth century down to the present day, and all have a common thread.
http://www.channelingerik.com/science-confirms-life-after-death/

Name of scientists who confirmed afterlife
1. Naoki Yasaku, 57, is neither mystic nor quack. He is a doctor on what may well be described as the front lines. For the past 11 years he has been director of the emergency ward at Tokyo University Hospital. “I am constantly seeing things that defy scientific explanation,” he tells Shukan Gendai (March 16).
http://www.japantoday.com/mobile/view/life-after-death-yes-says-one-doctor

2. Elisa Medhus, M.D. Jan 20, 2013: "As a physician with a strong science background raised by two atheists, I found it difficult to know where to start my search. I didn't even know whether there was anything to search for." [b]Again quantum science has begun to steal the show from material science (sorry, Sir Isaac), teaching us that we no longer have to rely on our five senses to hypothesize and eventually define a truth. Just because we can't see, feel, hear, taste or smell something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2495960

3. PROFESSOR ALBERT EINSTEIN - reference to the AFTERLIFE "GREAT spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds." The great Einstein wrote favorably about psychic process on TELEPATHY researchin a preface he wrote of Upton Sinclair's book MENTAL RADIO. Einstein to be included in the Hall of Fame.

4. BRILLIANT PHYSICIST CONFIRMS THE EXISTENCE OF THE AFTERLIFE : author, scientist and empiricist DR Jan W. Vandersande Ph.D. has based the afterlife evidence on his own 8 year investigation. His new book, which is highly recommend, Life After Death: see Amazon.com

5. NOBEL LAUREATE PROFESSOR BRIAN JOSEPHSON is Professor of Physics at Cambridge, Cambridge University and as ascientist he is strongly in favour of the (empirical) paranormal…' Read Prof Josephson's most insightful article…

6. physicist Dr Werhner Von Braun and lawyer Dr Victor Zammit come to the same ‘afterlife’ conclusion from totally different empirical perspectives. A most controversial international VIP physicist Dr Werhner von Braun stated that consistent with the law of physics, there has to be an afterlife because energy (‘nature’ ie, energy) cannot be destroyed. When criticizing atheist Prof Richard Dawkins some weeks ago for ignoring the critical evidence of ‘energy’ in the evolution argument - I, Victor Zammit, stated that the human species produces the highest form of energy ‘consciousness’ – and on crossing over this ‘energy consciousness’ survives. So, the 'physics perspective' and the 'legal perspective' on the relevance of 'energy' merge into one - empirically favoring the existence of the afterlife. See video: Why Professor Richard Dawkins is Wrong about the Afterl

7. AFTERLIFE COMMUNICATION: This brilliant Professor and psychic researcher has done psychic research into life after death - apparitions, children who speak of a previous life, Icelandic mediums, deathbed visions and communicating with intelligences from the afterlife.
http://www.victorzammit.com/

Most open skeptic scientists now conclude that for Dawkins to ignore AFTERLIFE aspect in his research means he's too close-minded in his belief.

Materialism has been refuted human has spirit/soul.

ayenny02: Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."  Does that make him GOD?

There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus. 

If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;

"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you."

John 14:2

The above statement is quite clear. It is in exact conformance to the teachings of the Qur'an. In the Qur'an we are told how God sent messengers to all tribes and nations. We are told that the basic message which was given to each of these tribes was the same: "Worship God alone and worship none else."

Some of the secondary details of this worship might differ from one tribe or nation to the next according to God's infinite wisdom and his knowledge of those people. It was made very clear to each prophet that he was not to preach to anyone but his own people. It was further made clear to this messenger's people that if they were to obey him that they would receive the reward of God. God would not hold them accountable for what any other tribe or nation did or did not do. This would continue until God's last messenger, Muhammad (pbuh) would be sent to all mankind as the seal of the prophets.

This is exactly what Jesus is saying here. He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".

Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does.

It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" (see also Jn. 12:44). Once again, this is the message of Islam.

Finally, remember

"Not every one that says to me(Jesus); 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven."

Matthew.7:21

The way you interprete Bible just out of it.

What is the "will of God"?

Excuse! I take it hard with excuse to type this. Nice write up!

bigass: I noticed that when people call home during work hours or anytime they are not at home. This question always comeS up. Is there light? Are they expecting a miracle?

I don't even need to ask because we enjoy light pass GEJ in my area. Before I left for work there'll still be light if I come back I will meet light, if I open my eyes in the night light dey.

Not that Ejigbo-Ikotun road is as bad as they buttress it i.e full of portholes, but it's too narrow compare to the number of vehicles that plies the road per hour. From Pako(Isolo)-Ikotun the road needs to be widen, and goverment effort to widen the road came up about 4yrs ago before Ago-Festac road was approved which was discovered that, it will affect Prophet T.B Joshua's church. That's why government withdrew its attention on the road. People of Ejigbo-Ikotun need to enter serious prayer so that Bro. Fash can help them construct an overhead bridge that will by-pass that church but destroying Synagouge church I don't think it will work.

There's no how the book of Daniel will be dated less than 400BC. Why most skeptics attack this very book is not because it was written by human but for its accurate visions and prophecies being fulfilled in the past and right now.

Daniel 12:7 "And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

In Daniel's vision, Daniel saw a man asking another man clothed in linen a quetsion about when the end shall come, then the man in linen cloth answered as quoted verse above.

Jesus's desciples came to Him privately, saying, tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the signs of thy coming, and of the of the world? Matt 24:3

Jesus begins to give the account of events of His coming and what shall before the earth and lastly, He said Matt 24:16 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for witness unto all nation; and then shall the end come."

In comparison Jesus's statement with Daniel's vision "And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the Holy people 'over the world', all these things shall be finished" both give the same account of how world will end.

You have been hearing about this gospel of the true kingdom many years ago thinking Jesus is slack in His coming "Remember the power of the holy people must be scatter abroad and then end shall come".

With the fast growth in technology the "gospel of the true kingdom" has been achived more than 60%.
"Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three and five and thirty days"

Are you a christain helping in spreading the "gospel of the truth" but yet your life is not in accordance with the will of God and your name is not yet in the book of life, "Remember the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world unto all nations (so that no excuse will be made) then end shall come".

Amend you ways today!

uchkochi: INGREDIENTS OF THANKSGIVING

1. JOY; True thanksgiving must be instigated by joy; if you are not joyful then you will not be grateful. I know that you have not gotten exactly what you wanted for this month that is why you need to thank God. Look behind you, you have been traveling on road even in the air and you were not involved in any crash. Surely God has been good to you. A depressed person is no candidate for God’s blessings. Joy is a choice, please choose to be happy. When you are not happy no matter how bad things might be it will only grow worse. Depression has never generated solution anywhere. So put up a bright face. I speak joy into your life, the joy of the lord. You don’t know what you have missed carrying a straight face. You can laugh your way out of that predicament. Nothing works without joy. Being joyful is the ever winning life. Just like a fish cannot survive outside water God cannot help you without joy, so it is up to you. I see the joy of the Lord pouring afresh on you.

2. PRAISE; the bible says in psalms 67 vs.5. Let the people praise thee let all the people praise thee so shall the earth yield her increase. You only reap your financial harvest through praise. Thanksgiving is generated via praise. Oh! How is wish you will see the importance of thanksgiving. When you praise God you commit God to raise you higher than where you are. You are long overdue for your harvest, its time to engage the sickle of praise. I thank my God because i know that you finally know what to do. Rejoice right where you are, begin to praise God from the depth of your heart. i see God changing your level.

3. OFFERINGS; for your thanksgiving to be complete you need an offering. Look at what psalms 96 vs. 8 says. Give unto the lord the glory due unto His name: bring an offering and come into His courts... When you thank God with an offering you send your seed to go ahead to speak in your favor. Your offering speaks for you when trouble comes. God remembers your offering and your burnt sacrifices. PSALMS 20

This is the last time you will ever be stranded; don’t just read this message, practice it. Thank God for bringing this message your way in a time where the internet has been used for immoral activities like scams and many more anomalies, you could save some one’s life by forwarding this message to your friends. Tell them that this message is coming from Nigeria where people around the world feel is corrupt. Tell them that a whole lot of people are not corrupt .Good news is arising from Nigeria. Jesus is Lord. BB PIN IS 2739F228

Nice write up, I love that point one seriously.

Red Cross anthem:
we are members of the r..e..d cross
we shall never go astray,
with the seven principles of IFRC (International Red Cross),
Direct and guide our ways.

Humanity
Impartiality
Neutrality
Independence
Voluntary service
Unity
Universality

MASSOB pls don't spoil Red cross for us.

If the acronyms is deceiving them, they should look at the full meaning very well "Oodua peoples congress" It's an unregister party under INEC but allow to function.

mazaje: Stop copying and pasting the works of theologians that pose as scientist. . .All the materials you copy from answers in genesis are non scientific but pseudo scientific. . .

Please how many evolutions have you witness? Yet you believe in evolution you haven't observed with your eyes.

But the theologians have brain pass our genius who claim earth's atmosphere was formed in the presence of the Sun.

mazaje: Your god has already lied, read the creation accounts in the bible, it says and you agree that the earth was created before then sun. . .That is a LIE. . .The sun was in existence before the earth was formed, in fact the sun was very instrumental in the formation of all the planets in the solar system, without the sun there wioll be no earth or any of the planets in the solar system. . .We know how other solar systems are formed and the sun always comes first. . .We have images from hubble, kepler and other space observatories. . .

Well you're still looking at the Bible base on human's fallacious statements.

Now I will grant you four things and let's look maybe your clains are still right.
1. No oxygen in early atmosphere
2. Some organisms can survive without oxygen
3. Life was created in the ocean
4. Absence of ozone will not wipe out all lives.
look at this chain very well:
Ozone<---plants(oxygen)<---plants organisms<---**<---cells<---**<---primodal gem(amino acids)<---water<---atmosphere<---oxygen & hydrogen<---*****.
This chart simply means Ozone was formed through the oxygen plants organisms released, and plants organisms formed from many cells; NOTE: a link is missing there "which is how cells organized themselves to form LIFE-NOBODY KNOWS" then cells was formed in primodal gem(amino acids); NOTE: "how amino acids gathered together to form cell(s) it's still a mystery", amino acid formed in water, water form from oxygen & hydrogen, and atmosphere formed from water
The first lie, you claim life has been in existence when the whole earth was covered with ice, whereas atheist scientist prove that when earth was cooling and atmosphere begins to form but the gravity of the was not strong enough to hold the atmosphere it falls down which gives rapid cooling to earth's surface after that LIFE begins.

Second lie, if there was no oxygen in the atmosphere WATER could not form: "water contains Hydrogen & Oxygen" and if water did not form primodal gem won't start and LIFE won't exist.

Third lie, if oxygen wasn't in atmosphere Ozone won't exist (which reflects most harmful rays away from reaching the earth) and earth's surface will remain HOT forever and no life will exist.
Who is right between MOSES and CSOMOLOGIST?

If earth's atmosphere can't form in the presence of the Sun, do you still believe earth was formed through remains sun metoers?

Cheif atheists will never braek everything down like this for you people to see the true light.

About organism survive in extreme cold or hot conditions is highly refuted by our neighbouring planets.

If you like tell yourself the truth or keep decieving yourself. No scientific method can disprove existence of God anybody that said there's no God believe on his own will not because somebody prove it.

Refinery in my state relocation activated. Thank God!

@Evilbrain

Actually, they will both evolve from a common cell because all lives started from a single cell by atheist. If we should go back to 'mazaje' plant organisms are the one that started oxygen in the atmosphere but when both plant and animal evolve from a single organism, how does animal organism survive without oxygen because it needs oxygen to live?

mazaje: Nice words of advice for Emusan. . .

If reading scientist materials either books or through internet together with Bible that make me a Christian then I would have become an atheist long time ago. Humans cannot find God thruogh his own way rather through God's way, the way of God is very clear to those who seek it. While you seperate website you can visit, I read through all site because I have the greatest evidence of God's existence in me. No amount of information I can read in this life that can change my worship to God even if the most greatest man of God in this world join atheist today; simply because I have searched for God and I have seen Him personally (I know you may say the the Bible says nobody can see God, what I mean is that I have found God's truth). He exist! I'm only here to let you know that there're some flaws in information you read online that might make you believe there's no God.

Many Christians have turn to Atheist, Christian to Muslim, e.t.c just because they can't search for the truth. Jesus said something before He died in, "John 14:16- And I will pray the father, and he shall give another Comforter [which is Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever" After this He said again in verse "17-Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" what Jesus said here is the major problem of many Christians today because they didn't search for the Holy Spirit and allow the Holy Spirit to dwell in them.
People that have failed to noticed this among them still remain under Christians do anything they like but they still go to church every sunday, while the rest have turned to atheist or other religion. If Jesus Christ can promise us Holy Spirit and some people can truly show the evidence for Holy Spirit then His ministry must be true. I can't force you to believe in God and His son I only try to show you the truth, I'm not a pastor but believer in God's word and His existence
Matt 24:16-And the gospel(truth) of the kingdom shall be preached to all nations, then end shall come.

Evil Brain: Yes there is. And even better, there are organisms alive today representing every step in the transformation from unicellular heterotrophs to unicellular photoautotrophs to colony-forming autotrophs to simple multicellular autotrophs to complex multicellular autotrophs, commonly known as plants.

all what you put up there are under Chromalveolates-Historically, many chromalveolates were considered plants , because of their cell walls,photosynthetic ability, and in some cases their morphological resemblance to the land plants ( Embryophyta ). And this chromalveolates is found under eukaryote-A eukaryote is an organism with a complex cell or cells, in which the genetic material is organized into a membrane-bound nucleus or nuclei. Eukaryotes (also spelled "eucaryotes" comprise animals, plants, and fungi—which are mostly multicellular - as well as various other groups that are collectively classified as protists (many of which are unicellular). In above definition they are both organism with a complex cells not that they evolve from one cell. your claim is that both animal and plant evolve from a unicellular organism.

You really should try and stop. You're just making yourself look silly.

Why you make yourself look brilliant by not understanding message before you post it.

Please, stop! This "increase in genetic information" stuff is nonsense. Genes and even entire chromosomes get added, deleted and duplicated all the time in nature. Polyploidy in plants like apple trees, bananas and wheat is just one example of how this can happen.

You never get it what evolutionist claim is that organisms evolved from orgainsms through error in genetic information called 'Mutations'. The hardest fact about mutations is that it haappens within organism not to form another organism. Virus cannot mutate to non-virus, organism cannot mutate to non-organism. Go and read more about mutations.

Please stop reading creationist nonsense. If you want to learn science, read materials written by scientists, not religious fanatics promoting an agenda.

See my reply with mazaje down.

mazaje: The fact that scientist do not know exactly how life started does not mean god. . .God is just your default position for you do not know. . .Even the creation accounts in genesis is wrong and demonstrably false. . .There are no atheist scientist, just scientist. . .

Then if LIFE couldn't start on earth or space, where life come from?

Because you rejected Bible it can't be true but God can't lie, He witnesses about all His creations.

Not all scientist support evolution, hope you know that?

OP please change that TITLE and also phone the source editor to do also because "Boko Haram are terorrists".

mazaje: The fact is all living things will not die off once the ozone layer is off. . .many living things have thrived without the ozone layer, the ozone was formed as a result of oxygen that was released by living things. . .

It is not if, life has already been found in such conditions. . .

Sure. . .The suns gravitational pull played a major role in the formation of all the planets. . .Scientist have measured the age of the sun and it is older than that of the earth. . .

The bible is an ancient book of mythology. . .

God is in control of what?. . .

Enough for your tautology post.

Miler-Urey's experiment to simulate how life might have originated in early earth gave atheist scientist strong evidence to prove that life truly would have originated from land and it was published in many biology textbook, that scientist have shown how life could have started in early earth without telling people what they actually preoduced. Though their intention isn't to create life but to show how life could have started. Later when the experiment was critically observed. They discovered that all molecules tend to distroy in the presence of oxygen, which brought the idea of no-oxygen in early atmosphere and when it was shown if atmoshpere never has oxygen Ozone layer could not form and chemical process can't take place, they resort to change the story by saying life didn't start on LAND but in the ocean despite that what Miler-Urey actually produce was a mixture of two type of amino's Why all life use only one type amino and the reason why all living things choose only one type is still a mystery. Then atheist scientist begin to change the case and claim life started in the ocean, again when the effect of HYDROLYSIS (means water splitting) on molecules was brought to light they were dumbfolded. Later some rise up again and state it clearly that life didn't start from earth it starts in space and find its way into earth through metoers falling, there another problem arises "if life started in space our planet shodn't be the only one to hold life" other planets should have life as "natural process or survival of the fitess" should be transfer equally in the universe but the only life they could only find is an organism in planet Mars, then we ask why this organism have not evolve into a big complex nature or does this mean Mars was created thousands of years ago or it is only earth that natural selection apply? Then the organism found on Mars was discover to use other type of amino that lives on earth rejected.

If you argue from now till tomorrow atheist scientist don't know actual place that life originated from.
These are the only possible way they have, then search you heart and mind very well and ask yourself if they truly know and sure about what they claim, why many assumption, why not be one and rest their evidence with it? Remember life from space or in the ocean doesn't have any experimental support just a continous assumption on what Miler-Urey did.

If you want to argue again pick another fact from my OP and let discuss it.

mazaje: It says many life forms an NOT all life forms. . .I said oxygen it self which ozone is its by product was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. There will be some for of life on earth without the ozone. So stop lying. . .

I know you're a very sharp person, why did you ignore this one? "If this happened, cancer would break out and all of the living civilizations, and all species on earth would be in jeopardy (Geocities.com, 1998)."

Stop lying, it can, oxygen at a time was not in the atmosphere, same with ozone. . .Ozone was formed as a result of oxygen molecules reactiing with ultraviolent light. . .You keep repeating one lie after the other. . .Life exist in very extreme places. Bacteria have been found living inside volcanoes already, they inhale methane. They have adapted to living in very extreme environment. . .Life was already on earth before the ozone layer was formed. It only became more abundant after the ozone layer was formed.

Keep repeating the same thing.

I kow all this, the bottom line is life already exist inside extreme places like volcanoes and under the oceans where there is no sun light, no oxygen, and where there is extreme heat and pressure. . .

If life can be found in this conditions then Mercury, Venus, and other planets suppose to have life in them.

Why won't it work?. . .The sun is actually what created the earth, the sun's gravitational force is what makes the earth to even rotate on its own axis. . .the earth gets most of its energy from the sun. . .The earth's atmosphere consist of gases that were emmited as a result of the chemical reactions that took place during its formation and as the earth cooled down after it was formed. The all took place in the presence of the sun.

Likewise Sun created other planets.

If we are to go by the nonsense written inside the bible that the earth was created before the sun, then what kept the sun in orbit and where did the plants get their enegry for photosysnthesis from?

Get inspire to read Bible not like the way you read evolution book before post them.

The tempreture of earth fluctuates a lot. . .There was a time where most of the earth was covered in ice. . .As the earth changes, life also changed and adapted. . .An asteriod big enough to destroy all human life just passed the earth last week, if it had hit the earth most life forms will die, but i believe that new life forms will form again after a very long time. . .

Even why earth's surface was covered with ice you don't despite that I main mention of it two times.

I have explained this in my reply to Evilbrain page 1 also in post you quoted. Can we see the video of the asteriod? It can't even try it because God is in control.

mazaje: LOL! First you claimed that ozone can not be seperated from the atmosphere which is false now you are asking more questions. . .The ozone layer protects most of the Sun's UV radiation. Ozone is actually dangerous. When car exhaust and other things cause the production of ozone gas near the surface of the earth, it pollutes the air and causes health problems. . .Living things will be affected badly without the ozone layer, but it doesnt mean that all life will end without the ozone layer. . .

I'm very sorry for you. Anyway you said you're not an evolutionist you just believe evolution by faith.

"Ozone layer protect all lives not some."

"The ozone layer is essential for human life. It is able to absorb much harmful ultraviolet radiation, preventing penetration to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet radiation (UV) is defined as radiation with wavelengths between 290-320 nanometers, which are harmful to life because this radiation can enter cells and destroy the deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) of many life forms on planet earth. In a sense, the ozone layer can be thought of as a 'UV filter' or our planet's built in sun's screen (Geocities.com, 1998). Without the ozone layer, UV radiation would not be filtered as it reached the surface of the earth. If this happened, cancer would break out and all of the living civilizations, and all species on earth would be in jeopardy (Geocities.com, 1998). Thus, the ozone layer essentially allows life, as we know it, to exist."

So if there's no ozone layer life is not possible on earth and all your claim since is that early earth's atmosphere has no oxygen.

It can't be seperated from atmosphere it forms together with substance that made up atmosphere. If there is no ozone layers in atmosphere it's not that lives at risk alone but the temperature of the earth will increase which will bridge the equillibrium between warming and cooling system of the earth that keeps atmosphere in balance. If not, the temperature of the earth will rise and cause many catastrophy (i.e volcanic erruption, which will continue to keep both inner core and surface temperature to increase) to the extent that atmosphere will fall down like what happen in first formation of atmosphere at early earth when the whole earth's surface was covered with ice-According to cosmologist.

Then tell me if atmosphere formed in the presence of the sun, do you think it can work? Just tell yourself the truth.

The only thing that can make it happen is that if cosmologist can claim that early sun doesn't powerful or contians some harmful rays as it is now then life can form and atmosphere can form too. If not, nothing can happen earth will remain hot.

mazaje: Life could not start on earth, yet you believe that some god some where created things using words, eh?. . .How does word change to living things?. . .You also believe was created from mud, how does mud convert to living cells. . .Can you give me the chemical equation that changes dust to living cells?. . .

If life could not start on earth, where life come from?

because life exist which we can see everywhere, so it must have an origin.

mazaje: Ozone is part of the atmosphere but there was a time the earth had no ozone layer. You CAN separate them, we can destroy the earth ozone layer now if we want to and other parts of the atmosphere will still remain. .Ultraviolet light striking these oxygen molecules in the atmosphere created the ozone. Before oxygen , there was no ozone layer in the atmosphere. . .

Infact and I don't even know I'm wasting my time with the most brilliant atheist in the world.

@color-I will ask you again and if you know you can't answer it then just quit. What is the purpose of ozone layer in the atmosphere? mazaje "if will destroy ozone layers, atmosphere will remain but what will happen to all living things on earth?" please, answer meeeeee

Many life forms do not need oxygen, plants do not need oxygen to survive. . .Stop peddling this myth. . .

If not because you have shallow brain, you said plants do not need oxygen to survive yet you said in your provious post that both plants and animals evolve from one unicellular organism. Let agree plants don't need oxygen what of animals that depend solely on oxygen when both evolve from the same unicellular organism. It means animals will die only plants will survive.

Leave atheism it doesn't favour you.

They need to provide many evidence, god did is means nothing at all, it is only a claim. . .

So want them to claim omni-scient and all-powerful being where will they get such power from?

The major problem you have is you mix everything up and think only atheist are the one responsible for all the functional things will enjoy today.

Ben cardson is the best neurosurgeonist in USA yet is a christian. Christians study evolution, geology, e.t.c

mazaje: Let it happens first?. . .It has happend many times already. . .Educate me about mutations since you claim it is noit actually so. . .

Let's talk about the issue on ground, if life could not start through chemical processes others assumptions about life migth not be true as we see it.

Hope you have read more about 'hydrolysis' for your life starting in ocean.

because LIFE could not have started on land and ocean some athesit scientist have proposed that LIFE started in the space and enter into earth through meteors rocks.

Did you know all these? Even life from space is in question too. So as at today atheist scientist don't know where life originated from.

Leave atheism and search for wisdom.

mazaje: You don't want to learn. . .Are you talking about atmosphere or ozone?. . .The earth's atmosphere was there when the first living organisms came about, I told you many organisms do not need oxygen to survive. . .Oxygen is not the only gas in the earth's atmosphere and many living things do not require it to survive. . .Why don't you want to learn?. . .

@bold-Ozone is part of atmosphere, you can't seperate them.

@color-Is not that others atheist didn't view this thread but because it pass their level they decided to keep silent. The more you try to explain yourself the more you expose your ignorance.

If atmosphere was always there without Ozone layers, 1. what is the purpose of ozone layer in the atmosphere?
2. Why NASA is complaining about 'global warming' that is atmosphere is lossing some of its protective layers i.e ozone, due to high rate of greenhouse-gas emission?
You need wisdom man.

Life cannot start with oxygen, life cannot start with no-oxygen.

Creation scientist are not scientist. They claim the earth is 6000 years old without telling us how the measured or calculated it. . .They claim the earth was in existence before the sun without telling us how the earth was in orbit without the sun. . .They keep making claims without providing ANY evidence, they only evidence is the bible which is a book of myths and not a scientific book. . .

When they believe God created everything which evidence do they need provide again? It is atheist that believe in non-existence of God that need to provide evidence which they can't provide.

mazaje: What are you saying?. . . Mutations produces are errors which manufacture alternative genes that may not already be in a gene pool, making it an advantage. Example lets assume that one day, a baby of an animal is is born that has a longer nose compared to the others as a result of mutation and the long nose gives it the ability to dig for bugs easier. This, of course, not only increases its chances for survival, but it also introduces a new allele that wasn't there before. Since this animal's chances for survival are higher due to its ability to find bugs, it will have offspring that carry its long nosed allele. This leads to a chain effect can cause a new breed that only have long noses and thus a new species. . . .That is how it works based on my understanding. . .

Let it happen first. Base on your understanding but it was not so actually.

mazaje: Brother, you don't want to learn. . .Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. That was how oxygen came about, it was a waste product of other organisms. . . .Ultraviolet light striking these oxygen molecules created the ozone. . ..

Your ignorant is alarming!
Answer this question if our atmosphere vanish now, what will happen to earth including organism?
What happen before this your organic molecules produce oxygen, when Sun always there?

They are not scientist but religious people that go about using the knowledge they have gotten through science to further their religion. . .They are not scientist but theologians. . .Tell me, what workable theory have they proposed, these cretion scientist of yours?. . .What scientific knowledge have they added to the world of science what invention have they made from their creation science?. . .Let me give you an example, drugs have been made using the principles of evolution, tell me one thing that has been made using the principle of creation science. . .

What are the criterial to be a scientist?