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AntiChristian:


It's not easy for you to believe in these na!

But to believe that your God sent his son to shed blood in ritual sacrifice for others to be saved is not a fable! How else do you define paganism?

A dibia kills someone and uses his blood to make others progress in life.



I think you are sick and you need sleep therapy at Yaba Neuropsychiatric centre.

So , all Christians are sick ?

You will know who is sick after your death .

MuttleyLaff:
Calling Jesus a liar about what, over what or concerning what specifically?

Jesus said he has a Father in heaven

Preciousgirl:
So Jesus is His own Father (John 14:8-10)

Are you calling Jesus a liar ?

And is Melchizedek his own father too ?

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus replied,
"What is impossible with man is possible with God.""
(i.e. Jesus replied,
"There are some things that people cannot do, but God can do anything."
- Luke 18:27

Its like you're, one of those who like, to put limitations on God, abi, lmso. Fyi, what is impossible for men, is not impossible for God to do, so make no mistake that, Jesus Christ is the Son of God and saying that Jesus is YHWH (i.e. God Almighty) are incontrovertible statements.

1/ Do you know what the descriptor word, YHWH (i.e. Exodus 3:14, lmso), erroneously taught to be the personal name of God, means?
2/ Do you know that the Jehovah word, that you've used above, is an invented and bogus word, lmso?

Does the consonants YHWH represent name of God or title ''GOD AKMIGHTY'' ?

elated177:
Go through the message again and try to understand it. I didn't make any mistake in it. There was no contradiction whatsoever.

Do you accept that Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of YHVH Almighty, the Father?

If your answer is yes, is it possible for the Word of YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, to be anything or anyone other than YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, himself? As the Supreme Being, can God Almighty be separated from his Word? Is the Word of God Almighty not as great as God Almighty? If you accept all these, why do you find it difficult to understand that the Word of YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, is God Almighty?

Explicitly answering your question, for the benefit of others, YHVH Almighty is the Father of Yahushua the Messiah. Not only is YHVH Almighty the Father of Yahushua the Messiah, he is his God.

Yahushua the Messiah, the Word of YHVH Almighty, lives because of YHVH Almighty, his God and Father.

I now understand what you meant .

Thanks for your explanations .

AntiChristian:
Confusion raised to power three!

You are an hypocrite .

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا نُعَيْمُ بْنُ حَمَّادٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنْ حُصَيْنٍ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ مَيْمُونٍ، قَالَ رَأَيْتُ فِي الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ قِرْدَةً اجْتَمَعَ عَلَيْهَا قِرَدَةٌ قَدْ زَنَتْ، فَرَجَمُوهَا فَرَجَمْتُهَا مَعَهُمْ‏.‏

Narrated `Amr bin Maimun:
During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3849
In-book : Book 63, Hadith 75
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 58, Hadith 188  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (ﷺ) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Sahih al-Bukhari 278
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 30
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

What can we call you Muslims for believing these childish fables ? You are not only confused but totally LOST .

Preciousgirl:
Who was the Father of Melchizedek?

Answer this one first

He does not have , according to the Bible .

I have answered you . Am waiting for your answer .

elated177:
Where did I even imply such a thing not to talk stating explicitly?

What then do you mean by your statements below ?

''You can't claim to believe the Scriptures and at the same time deny that Yahushua the Messiah is God, and not just God, he is the only begotten Son of YHVH and one with YHVH, the Father.

Anyone who denies that Yahushua the Messiah is YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, also denies he is the Word of YHVH Almighty. Such a person neither has any regard for the Scriptures nor what they say.''

The first paragraph says Jesus Christ is the Son of God but the second paragraph is saying that Jesus is YHWH ( Jehovah ) .

Which is which .

Omokowa:
Holiness is the quality or state of been holy. In other words, it is also called sanctity, divinity, godliness, saintliness, sacredness...


According to the Bible, in 1 Peter 1:16 we read, "You shall be holy, for I am holy." What is holiness? How can we be holy?


The word translated "holiness" in the New Testament means to be "set apart." In the Old Testament, holiness was generally connected with God's perfection. How can we be set apart and perfect?


All people have sinned (Romans 3:23 ) and are imperfect. Our only option to be set apart is through the salvation offered through Jesus Christ ( John 3:16 ; Romans 10:9 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ).


Perfection on the other hand is the state or quality of been perfect.

Perfection from the Cambridge English dictionary says perfection is the state of been complete and correct in every way.


Ecclesiastes 7:20 ESV:
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.


Matthew 5:48 ESV:
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Philippians 3:12-15 ESV:
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.


James 1:4 ESV:
And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.


James 3:2 ESV:
For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body.


Philippians 2:15 ESV:
That you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.


1 John 5:18 ESV:
We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.


Hebrews 10:14 ESV:
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.


James 1:25 ESV:
But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.


Matthew 19:21 ESV:
Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”


Colossians 1:22 ESV:
He has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,


2 Corinthians 7:1 ESV:
Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.


Matthew 7:1-2 ESV:
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

The question is, "is holiness same as perfection?"

Yes

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

John 14:1-4

NIV
 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

NKJV

“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”


NLT

“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. 2 There is more than enough room in my Father’s home.[a] If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? 3 When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.”


NRSV

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe[a] in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, so that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And you know the way to the place where I am going.”

You can't claim to believe the Scriptures and at the same time deny that Yahushua the Messiah is God, and not just God, he is the only begotten Son of YHVH and one with YHVH, the Father.

Anyone who denies that Yahushua the Messiah is YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, also denies he is the Word of YHVH Almighty. Such a person neither has any regard for the Scriptures nor what they say.

Anyone who accepts that Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, and at the same time denies that he is God Almighty is either confused or deceiving himself or herself.

It is either you believe the Scriptures and what they say or you do not. You cannot believe the Scriptures, accept what they say and reject Yahushua the Messiah as God Almighty.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

Are you saying that Jesus Christ our Saviuor does not have a Father ?

Yes or no ?

AntiChristian:
Jesus never told anyone to give him his life! Didn't your Jesus gave death his life at last?
And mind you Bible can't talk. Mention who is talking in the Bible.



From Paul. Jesus was praying to a God. Why? Can't he just save himself with his name?



In principle, this is the same thing all Prophets told their people. They are the way to be guided to the Lord.

We believe in him as a Prophet and messenger. Just that he can't save himself not to talk of others. Also I don't need to believe in the pagan human sacrifice of God sending his son to be killed for me to be saved.

I think i'll pass. I worship one God Allah who has no son nor partner till I die.

Jesus gave his life to death because of the sins of mankind and he conquered that death because he was without sin and therefore death could not hold him captive :

Romans 6:9 KJV
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

If you accept him as your Lord and saviour , second death will not have power over you .
That is what Jesus promised us and I believe him.

Gbenga Adeboye a radio presenter and comedian who used to entertain peoole through his albums and radio presentations , first died in October 2002 and came back to life after 6 hours , said God to him he had not fished his assignment on earth and he should come and bring his BIBLE AND HYMN BOOK .
He later died in April 30th 2003 after releasing an album titles '' Aye Toto '' . In this album he said he saw angels of God in heaven worshipping God and was told he could not join them until he brings his Bible and hymn.

He was a Christian but used to believe that the God of the Bible and the god of the Qur'an and the idol worshippers are all serving the same God . That was his ignorance which God corrected by proverbially telling him to come back and bring his bible and hymn book . Why was he not asked to bring with the Bible and hymn book the Quran and other things of the idolater ?
Almost in all his albums he would recite the Quran , quote the bible and speak words of Idolator's incantation .

He was a known christian . Which God has the power to send the dead back to life aside from his Creator .

Go and listen to the album and think about this Islam which promised all Muslims hell fire until the day of resurrection .

Muhammad cannot make heaven . He has been used by the devil to deceive billions of people to hell . I am sure of this .
Pray that God should reveal the truth to you .

bingbagbo:
There is one God. He is the Everlasting Father. He is a Spirit.

He robed Himself in flesh, born of a woman, to become a substitute for our sins. He came to dwell among His creation in His name of salvation, JESUS. (Acts 4:12, 1 Timothy 3:16).

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." - Matthew 1:21 KJV

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;" - 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV

"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." - John 14:7 KJV

Jesus came to pay the price for our sins so we could be filled with His Spirit. He told His disciples,

"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." - John 14:18 KJV

On the Day of Pentecost, Jesus kept His promise.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." - Acts 2:4 KJV

Peter preached that day how to be saved by Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - Acts 2:38 KJV
"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." - Acts 2:39 KJV

JESUS.
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:6 KJV

People like you make it hard for the Muslims
to understand our God and get saved because you fail to read you Bible with understanding .

Did you not read these verses in your Bible :
John 14:28 KJV
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


1 Corinthians 15:23-28 KJV
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

John 20:17 KJV
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

There are more than 100 verses in that make it clear that Jesus is God but not God the Father.

haekymbahd:
At least is this guy also deceived by devil because he is not a Muslim he follows the same Bible you hold... I think the Bible is more ambiguous than Quran

Is Jesus the one God?
Allah SWT said:

"Say, What thing is greatest in testimony? Say, Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities? Say, I will not testify [with you]. Say, Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 19)

I said you are being deceived because Allah is not God Almighty that created the heavens and the earth and everything that they contain .
He is not .
Allah is one of the gods of the pagans in Arabs.
The name had been in use , ever b4 Muhammad was born , by idol worshippers .

This was not the name God gave to Moses when he encountered Him .

Allah is a proper noun . It is a real name like James , John etc Allah does not mean god. God is a title .''God'' is a common noun .

Did you ever asked yourself , who gave the Arabs that name , Allah , which they call during their satanic worships b4 Islam came .

Why are the Muslims following the rituals or deeds of the pagans like :

Tawaf of the Kabah , Tawaf of Safa and Mawah, kissing of the black stone , use of a prayer beads , placement of Crescent moon and star on mosques roof tops ,use of a pagan Idol name Allah etc.

What miracle did Allah perform through Muhammad that we can make reference to as a sign of divinity ? Nothing .

Lastly , we shall know true prophet of God by their fruits .
What were the fruit of Muhammad ? Good or bad?

He took the wife of his son
He married a 6 years old girl when he was 50 years old.
He was a murderer .
He lied severally .
He was accused of stealing
He drank human blood .
He was a bewitched prophet
He was spiritually powerless .
He asked Muslims to indulge in prostitution.

How can you be following such a man as a prophet ?

It is not too late for you to return to your creator.
This might be your last chance .

MightySparrow:
Quran itself is ambiguous

The guy was deceived by the devil .

haekymbahd:
Lol... Even though I am not an Islamic scholar Well I am sorry I have passed this stage I understand why you are saying this I have been there too now I am certain that if Allah is not God Jesus ain't either...

I have tried to be open minded in the past and I have experienced both sides I must say I respect the Christians though I can't join any more...

I have put both spirit to test already and I have gone for the superior one to me. I know there is a God called Christ and I also know there is a God called Allah and they are not the same...

I have chosen Allah has my God he has convinced me enough..
Thanks

Allah SWT said:

"Say, What thing is greatest in testimony? Say, Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities? Say, I will not testify [with you]. Say, Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 19)

"Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 20)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Can you just brief me how you put the two to be test .
Can you give me a clue , may be I should try them also.

@ haekymbahd , are you ready to give your life to Jesus Christ and experience the love of God?

The Bible says :

Acts 4:12 KJV
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:17-18 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Don't harden your heart to the truth . Come back to God and be saved from eternal damnation that awaits unbelievers .
Let me know so I can pray with you and for you.


Peace be unto , in Jesus name .

@AntiChristian , are you ready to give your life to Jesus Christ and experience the love of God.

The Bible says :

Acts 4:12 KJV
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:17-18 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Try him and see the glory of God .

AntiChristian:
You are still a liar till you bring evidence for each of these.

the NT?

All the evidences I showed are from your books. Are you rejecting your books as not authentic ?

You still want more proofs that will convince you that Islam is idolatry ? They abound :

Hadith
Hisham b. 'Urwa reported on the authority of his father who narrated from 'A'isha. He said to 'A'isha:
I think if a person does not run between al- Safa' and al-Marwa, It does not do any harm to him (so far as Hajj is concerned). She said: Why (do you think so)? I said: For Allah says:" Verily al-Safa' and al-Marwa are among the Signs of Allah" (2:158) (to the end of the verse), whereupon she said: Allah does not complete the Hajj of a person or his Umra if he does not observe Sa'i between al-Safa' and al-marwa; and if it were so as you state, then (the wording would have been (fala janah an la yatufu biha) [" There is no harm for him if he does not circumambulate between them']. Do you know in what context (this verse was revealed)? (It was revealed in this context) that the Ansar in the Days of Ignorance pronounced the Talbiya for two idols. (fixed ldols on the bank of the river which were called Isaf and Na'ila. The people went there, and then circumambulated between al-Safa' and al-Marwa and then got their heads shaved. With the advent of Islam they (the Muslims) did not like to circumambulate between them as they used to do during the Days of Ignorance. It was on account of this that Allah. the Exalted and Majestic, revealed:" Verily al-Safe and al-Marwa are among the Signs of Allah" to the end of the verse. She said: Then people began to observe Sa'i.
Sahih Muslim 1277 a
In-book : Book 15, Hadith 285
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 7, Hadith 2923  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Hadith
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'
Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Nafi`:
Ibn `Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka`ba (the Black Stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) touching them." I asked Nafi`: "Did Ibn `Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi` replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner Stone)."
Sahih al-Bukhari 1606
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 92
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 676  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Aisha:
Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) !" It happened on the `Id day and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an `Id for every nation and this is our `Id."
Sahih al-Bukhari 952
In-book : Book 13, Hadith 4
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 15, Hadith 72  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

ARE THESE LIES ? HOPE YOU KNOW THESE ARE '' SAHIH '' .

The kabah too was built by idol worshippers for their idols . This is what you Muslims are still using as the house of your god .

The same goes with the use prayer beads . This was a Hindu practice .

Islam is from the devil . its purpose is to derail people from heaven .

@AntiChristian , I am waiting for your reply with regards to my last reply to your post .

We have stories of the Bible in the Quran but name of another god with modes of worship and rituals of pagans in your religion ( Islam ) .

Why and how can you connect this with the God of the Bible?

haekymbahd:
Mathew 4

You said Abraham saw the Lord, he saw angels

John
18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [e]unique Son, or [f]the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Jesus said no MAN has ever seen God the Father except him .
The Bible makes it clear that no man can see the Father and live but the Bible still said that some men saw God and lived . Why ?

Exodus 24:9-12 KJV
Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: [10] And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. [11] And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

This is an old testament confirming the new testament.

Abraham saw Angels and the Lord Jesus Christ.
He bowed down and called him Lord.

THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS BEYOND HUMAN BEING . IT IS THE SON THAT DOES MOST OF THE EARTHLY WORKS FOR THE FATHER .

haekymbahd:
Mathew 4
8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory (the splendor, magnificence, preeminence, and excellence) of them.
9 And he said to Him, These things, all taken together, I will give You, if You will prostrate Yourself before me and do homage and worship me.

10 Then Jesus said to him, Begone, Satan! For it has been written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve


Jesus being one with God does not mean he is God. According to the Bible the angels are also son of God but it does not mean God gave birth to them it is just a title.

Satan would never have told God the father to worship him...

Job 2:1
1 AGAIN THERE was a day when the sons of God [the angels] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan (the adversary and the accuser) came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

When it comes to worship only God the father has the right to be worshipped and not Jesus or Satan...


You said Abraham saw the Lord, he saw angels

John
18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only [e]unique Son, or [f]the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Why was Satan cast down from heaven ? He was cast down because he wanted to be like God.

Why do you think there are different gods in this world ?

You realised the God of the Christians are different from the God of you Muslims . Does that not make one of them the devil ?

What is the reason for this religion , if not to bow down and worship the devil .

The worship honour and glory that Angels and humans give to God is what Satan wanted before he was cast down into the earth :

Isaiah 14:12-15 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

He wanted to be like the most High.

Jesus is worshipping God the Father and God the Father is the one that has promoted Jesus Christ His Son to that level where you and I plus the host of heaven must bow down to and worship .

Philippians 2:7-11 KJV
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER .

Nuttella:
So why do you think all the witches in the world are fighting you?

All the witches and wizards in the world are fighting me because they are fighting against my Lord Jesus Christ . They hate him and so I have declare war against them like David :

Psalm 139:20-22 KJV
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
[21] Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
[22] I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

They know I am on the Lords side . That is why they are fighting me .
Before I did not know that this world is a battle field . I now know .

Will you help me to fight them ?

AntiChristian:
Alright, but your God forgot to teach Moses how to pronounce His name? So what is the name of the God worshiped before Moses?

And Isma‘eel (Ishmael) and Al-Ya
If Jesus brought no laws then you all should be Jews strictly following Moses's laws and method of salvation. Christians claim Jesus brought another method of salvation and you are saying he didn't change any law. Is the method of salvation not part of the laws?

Of cos we had.
But where was Nigeria over 2000 years ago? Revelation stopped with Muhammad about 1,400 years ago.

When you eradicate a law, it is not changed right? Animal blood sacrifice is a law. Eradicating it means you have changed the law.

So he copied Biblical stories only and added pagan doctrines to it. He must have been a superman to have done that research and collation 1400 years ago.

Animal Sacrifice and human sacrifice no be pagan doctrine upheld in Christianity? Christianity/Judaism shouldn't be from God too?

I am going to church for now . I shall be back in the night to answer your questions

Mind you , I did not say God did not teach Moses how to pronounce His name .

Moses knew the name of God and used to call on his name . Even some priest and Joshua all called upon that name , but with cautions .

For instance , you will be angry when people call on your father's name anyhow . won't you .

To the case of Ishmael . Why did Muhammad not make any negative comments about sending away of Ishmael ?

The original is always before the fake .
There were copies of Bible in Arabia during the time of Muhammad .
Those stories were copied from the Bible .
See some evidence :

Hadith

Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to stand up for a funeral until the corpse was placed in the grave. A learned Jew (once) passed him and said: This is how we do. The Prophet (ﷺ) sat down and said: Sit down and act differently from them.
Hasan (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 3176
In-book : Book 21, Hadith 88
English translation : Book 20, Hadith 3170
Abu Dawood

Hadith
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

The Prophet (ﷺ) used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down while the pagans used to part their hair. So the Prophet (ﷺ) let his hair hang down first, but later on he parted it.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5917
In-book : Book 77, Hadith 132
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 72, Hadith 799  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
A'isha reported:

The Prophet (ﷺ) entered my house when a Jewess was with me and she was saying: Do you know that you would be put to trial in the grave? The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) trembled (on hearing this) and said: It is the Jews only who would-be put to trial. 'A'isha said: We passed some nights and then the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Do you know that it has been revealed to me:" You would be put to trial in the grave"? 'A'isha said: 1 heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) seeking refuge from the torment of the grave after this.

Sahih Muslim 584
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 157
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1212  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Hadith
Narrated Ibn `Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but `Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.

Sahih al-Bukhari 604
In-book : Book 10, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 11, Hadith 578  (deprecated)


Allah SWT said:

وَالَّذِى قَالَ لِوٰلِدَيْهِ أُفٍّ لَّكُمَآ أَتَعِدَانِنِىٓ أَنْ أُخْرَجَ وَقَدْ خَلَتِ الْقُرُونُ مِنْ قَبْلِى وَهُمَا يَسْتَغِيثَانِ اللَّهَ وَيْلَكَ ءَامِنْ إِنَّ وَعْدَ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ فَيَقُولُ مَا هٰذَآ إِلَّآ أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"But one who says to his parents, Uff to you; do you promise me that I will be brought forth [from the earth] when generations before me have already passed on [into oblivion]? while they call to Allah for help [and to their son], Woe to you! Believe! Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. But he says, This is not but legends of the former people -"
(QS. Al-Ahqaf 46: Verse 17)

Allah SWT said:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]. But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 101)

We can also see that the tawaf of the kabaah , Tawaf of Safa and Mawah , kissing of the black stone , fsating during the period of Ashura , ablution , even the name of Allah etc were pagan related .

So , how can we trust such a religion . Allah and Muhammad did not show any miracle to convince people of the mighty power of Allah .
But had to resort killings and force to spread Islam .

How and why should we trust this kind of god and his messager ?

Jesus is more than man .

John 8:56-59 KJV
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

ACCOUNT OF WHEN ABRAHAM SAW JESUS :
Genesis 18:1-3 KJV
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
[2] And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
[3] And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

HE SAW THREE MEN BUT CALLED ONLY ONE ''MY LORD'' .

I will be back in the evening to answer your query or questions .

More revelation :

Daniel 3:22-25 KJV
Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego.
[23] And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
[24] Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. [25] He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

More Revelation from the old testaments :

Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [
23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
[25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
[26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
[27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
[28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
[29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
[31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
[32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Take you time to read them meditate on them.

haekymbahd:
What did Jesus meant here is it compulsory to believe him or just have faith in what he did since he is doing good deeds
John 10
37 If I am not doing the works [performing the deeds] of My Father, then do not believe Me [do not adhere to Me and trust Me and rely on Me].

38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe Me or have faith in Me, [at least] believe the works and have faith in what I do, in order that you may know and understand [clearly] that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father [One with Him

I guess Jesus is saying

John 10
24 So the Jews surrounded Him and began asking Him, How long are You going to keep us in doubt and suspense? If You are really the Christ (the Messiah), tell us so plainly and openly.

The jew disbelieved in him because he called himself messiah and they felt he was not the messiah they were expecting that he was blaspheming not that he was God....

If I were a Jew and Jesus called himself God I won't believe either. How can God do that after he said
Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

As per Isiah 43 :10 above , this is not saying there are no other gods or God .
God himself said there are other gods by saying to the Israelites , ''bow down not to other gods ''
God also made Moses a god to Pharaoh .
God also called we human beings gods .
But what God was saying in the Scripture above is that those other gods are POWERLESS can't be compared with Him because those are idols or ordinary human beings

The same Isiah said 44 : 6 -10 reads :

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
[9] They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
[10] Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

Jesus is doing the things of God and not his . He said he and his Father are ONE.
Jesus called God his God and his Father .

After he ascended to heaven , he said EXACTLY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN ISAIAH 44 : 6

Isaiah 44:6 KJV
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Revelation 1:17-18 KJV
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Despite this statement of Jesus after his death , he did not make himself equal to God . He still called God his God in Revelation 3.

God created this world by HIS WORD OR COMMAND . This does not mean that all those things just sprang up by themselves . It means someone was carrying out those command . For this reason , Jesus was called the WORD OF GOD.

GOD SAID , LET US CREATE MAN .... God was talking to His only Son .
Jesus said he is not equal to his Father .

It is still one God Jesus is serving and it is the same God we are serving .

If we ordinary men are gods , how about the one who created you and I through the command of God . Is he not God to us .

God is a title . Jesus is more than qualified to bear that title.

haekymbahd:
What did Jesus meant here is it compulsory to believe him or just have faith in what he did since he is doing good deeds
John 10
37 If I am not doing the works [performing the deeds] of My Father, then do not believe Me [do not adhere to Me and trust Me and rely on Me].

38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe Me or have faith in Me, [at least] believe the works and have faith in what I do, in order that you may know and understand [clearly] that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father [One with Him

I guess Jesus is saying

John 10
24 So the Jews surrounded Him and began asking Him, How long are You going to keep us in doubt and suspense? If You are really the Christ (the Messiah), tell us so plainly and openly.

The jew disbelieved in him because he called himself messiah and they felt he was not the messiah they were expecting that he was blaspheming not that he was God....

If I were a Jew and Jesus called himself God I won't believe either. How can God do that after he said
Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

The purpose for which they wanted to stone Jesus was because he said '' I am the Son of God ''.
and also for saying , '' I and my Father are one ''.

But Jesus did not dispute this . He told them that we ordinary humans are called gods by God , how much more him .

John 10:33-36 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD ?

haekymbahd:
No, Do you know Jesus Father is your Father and his God is your God. You both own the Father not only him Christians make it seem as though the father is only for Jesus
John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.

Know that Body is different from spirit. How do spirit enters human body is not God who breathe in his spirit into everyone.. Is it God who give spirit or man?

Isaiah 42

5 Thus says God the Lord--He Who created the heavens and stretched them forth, He Who spread abroad the earth and that which comes out of it, He Who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it:

6 I the Lord have called You [the Messiah] for a righteous purpose and in righteousness; I will take You by the hand and will keep You; I will give You for a covenant to the people [Israel], for a light to the nations [Gentiles],

7 To open the eyes of the blind, to bring out prisoners from the dungeon, and those who sit in darkness from the prison.(D)

8 I am the Lord; that is My name! And My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images.

Why did the Father make Jesus the Almighty God while he had said to the Jew that
Isaiah 43
10 You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

Why should people call Jesus God when God already said

Numbers 23
19 God is not a man, that He should tell or act a lie, neither the son of man, that He should feel repentance or compunction [for what He has promised]. Has He said and shall He not do it? Or has He spoken and shall He not make it good?

Hebrew 5:7
7 In the days of His flesh [Jesus] offered up definite, special petitions [for that which He not only wanted [b]but needed] and supplications with strong crying and tears to Him Who was [always] able to save Him [out] from death, and He was heard because of His reverence toward God

John 5
30I am able to do nothing from Myself [independently, of My own accord--but only as I am taught by God and as I get His orders]. Even as I hear, I judge [I decide as I am bidden to decide. As the voice comes to Me, so I give a decision], and My judgment is right (just, righteous), because I do not seek or consult My own will [I have no desire to do what is pleasing to Myself, My own aim, My own purpose] but only the will and pleasure of the Father Who sent Me.

Allah SWT said:

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com



The jews also have there own interpretation for those proofs too.



Every prophet had problems not only Jesus even Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.

"And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord had willed, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 112)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

I believe it will be better if Christians read the old testament and new testament in the language it was written they cannot be taken serious some things will be clearer

John 10
34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

How many gods people are the "Ye" referred to here are they more than 3

Psalms 82
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.

Are God more than trinity

Who was talking there was it Jesus or God the father it is clear that the author of Gospel of John quoted I said, Yeah are Gods from psalm not that Jesus was the one who said it...

You know Christian call Jesus God and not god... Do you believe you are a God

You don't understand the Bible yet .

We children of God are gods . That is what the psalm is saying :

Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus was reminding the Jews about the above scripture . He was just telling them that the scripture call you gods how much more the one who God sanctified and sent to the world :

John 10:33-36 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

That scriptures above was quoted to answer your question about whether Jesus recognized himself as God .

We are created in the image of God . That is why we are gods . That does not make us equal to God in anyway .

Do you get that now ?

I will be replying your posts one after the other for clarity .

Kobojunkie:
If you are still afraid of witches and wizards, demons and the lot, what that means is that deep down you KNOW you are not truly serving Him. I recall one of the commandments is that you not fear those who can destroy your body but instead fear the one who can destroy both your body and your soul.
Instead of looking all around you in fear of who will attack you and from where, look inside yourself instead and ask "what are you really afraid of if truly the one who holds all power is the one you truly serve?"

Am not afraid , just trying to be funny .