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God is great . The devil is a liar.

I never believed her from the onset.

I pray she will repent.

The call for prayer, adhan ,was also given by UMAR :

Hadith
Narrated Ibn `Umar:
When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but `Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers
Sahih al-Bukhari 604
In-book : Book 10, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 11, Hadith 578  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Everywhere you hear muslims calling their worshippers to gather for prayers , always remember UMAR and not Muhammad.

UMAR was so inspired by Allah to the extent of cancelling some of Muhammad's commandments or Allah's revelations :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا حَامِدُ بْنُ عُمَرَ الْبَكْرَاوِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ، - يَعْنِي ابْنَ زِيَادٍ - عَنْ عَاصِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي نَضْرَةَ، قَالَ كُنْتُ عِنْدَ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ فَأَتَاهُ آتٍ فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ وَابْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ اخْتَلَفَا فِي الْمُتْعَتَيْنِ فَقَالَ جَابِرٌ فَعَلْنَاهُمَا مَعَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ثُمَّ نَهَانَا عَنْهُمَا عُمَرُ فَلَمْ نَعُدْ لَهُمَا ‏.‏
Abu Nadra reported:
While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (Tamattu' of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu' with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.
Sahih Muslim 1405 e
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 20
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3250  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Umar ,to me is the last prophet and not Muhammad.

Islam is false

mhmsadyq:
UP UMAR!

He wasn't a Trinitarian.

He was one of the pious Caliphs.

His Aljannat was guaranteed before his death.

R.A.

Thank God you are a truthful Muslim .
But it means you agree that Muhammad was a liar.

A prophet is someone who utters divinely inspired revelations.

A prophet can also be someone who utters satanically inspired revelations.

Muhammad claimed he was the last prophet of Allah but the Quran and hadiths say otherwise:

Hadith
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things: -1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2:125) -2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. -3. Once the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) made a united front against the Prophet (ﷺ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66:5).
Sahih al-Bukhari 402
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 53
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 395  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

WHO GAVE THE SUGGESTION OR REVELATION ABOUT PRAYING TOWARDS THE KABAH ?
UMAR . SURAH 2:125
THEN MUHAMMAD GOT A LATTER REVELATION ABOUT IT . WHY LATER ?

WHO GAVE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT VEILING?
UMAR.
WHAT ABOUT SURA 66:5 .IT CAME EXACTLY AS UMAR SAID IT .

Since UMAR succeeded MUHAMMAD , that made him the last prophet .

There are still more revelations to prove this.

@compton11.

The adhan , call of prayer , was also suggested by a man , UMAR , the last prophet of Allah .

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي نَافِعٌ، أَنَّ ابْنَ عُمَرَ، كَانَ يَقُولُ كَانَ الْمُسْلِمُونَ حِينَ قَدِمُوا الْمَدِينَةَ يَجْتَمِعُونَ فَيَتَحَيَّنُونَ الصَّلاَةَ، لَيْسَ يُنَادَى لَهَا، فَتَكَلَّمُوا يَوْمًا فِي ذَلِكَ، فَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ اتَّخِذُوا نَاقُوسًا مِثْلَ نَاقُوسِ النَّصَارَى‏.‏ وَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ بَلْ بُوقًا مِثْلَ قَرْنِ الْيَهُودِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ عُمَرُ أَوَلاَ تَبْعَثُونَ رَجُلاً يُنَادِي بِالصَّلاَةِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ يَا بِلاَلُ قُمْ فَنَادِ بِالصَّلاَةِ ‏"
Narrated Ibn `Umar:

When the Muslims arrived at Medina, they used to assemble for the prayer, and used to guess the time for it. During those days, the practice of Adhan for the prayers had not been introduced yet. Once they discussed this problem regarding the call for prayer. Some people suggested the use of a bell like the Christians, others proposed a trumpet like the horn used by the Jews, but `Umar was the first to suggest that a man should call (the people) for the prayer; so Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered Bilal to get up and pronounce the Adhan for prayers.
Sahih al-Bukhari 604
In-book : Book 10, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 11, Hadith 578  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

UP UMAR ! THE LAST PROPGET OF ALLAH , WHO DEBUNKED MUHAMMAD'S CLAIM AS THE LAST PROPHET.

compton11:
nigga stop deceiving your ancestors here
Is it God or Jesus that created Christianity?

Deuteronomy 14:21

You must not eat anything that has died a natural death. You may give it to a foreigner living in your town, or you may sell it to a stranger. But do not eat it yourselves, for you are set apart as holy to the LORD your God. “You must not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.

Can u do that?
Give carcass to foreigner?

And where Yahweh instructed u to be clapping,dancing and closing eyes when praying and where did he commanded Christmas celebration?
nigga must u lie?

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59).

and verses of veil came after that,so?

point it to me where prophet(saw) accepted it from UMAR.

in the bible,right?

Christianity was created by God. This you can know through the signs and wonders God is doing in the lives of we the Christians .
Acts 3:6-10 KJV
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. [7] And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. [8] And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. [9] And all the people saw him walking and praising God: [10] And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

Jesus is God , as a Son of God , he is God like his Father.

Allah must have read the Bible before attesting to its validity. Is Allah not the god that wrote the Torah ?
If Allah says give carcass of animals to your neighbours , why questioning him ?

We are commanded to clap our hands and sing to our God in the Bible :

Psalm 47:1 KJV
O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.

BACK TO THE ISSUE OF HIJAB.

Why should Allah reveal revelations after a man has suggested the revelation ?
Is that God ? And what other revelation do you require after the evidence I showed you ?

UMAR GAVE MUHAMMAD REVELATIONS AND SUGGESTED QURAN TO ALLAH , AS PER THE BELOW :

Hadith
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things: -1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2:125) -2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. -3. Once the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) made a united front against the Prophet (ﷺ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66:5).
Sahih al-Bukhari 402
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 53
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 395  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

ARE YOU GOING TO DENY THAT MUHAMMAD AND ALLAH AGREED WITH UMAR ( The last prophet ) REGARDING THE ABOVE ?

compton11:
nigga not only Arab where even using it before Islam.

Olden jews and women in desert used it too but Allah make it law for believing women.



And nigga I asked u question and u dodged it,why?

Christianity is not a man made religion like Islam.
We do what God instructs us to do or what is written in the Scriptures.

But Islam is a man made religion . It was not God or your god Allah that instructed the Muslims to be wearing hijabs . It was umar :
Hadith

UMAR B KHATTAB WAS THE INVENTOR OF HIJAB IN ISLAM :

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْمَلِكِ بْنُ شُعَيْبِ بْنِ اللَّيْثِ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبِي، عَنْ جَدِّي، حَدَّثَنِي عُقَيْلُ بْنُ، خَالِدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ بْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ أَزْوَاجَ، رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم كُنَّ يَخْرُجْنَ بِاللَّيْلِ إِذَا تَبَرَّزْنَ إِلَى الْمَنَاصِعِ وَهُوَ صَعِيدٌ أَفْيَحُ وَكَانَ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ يَقُولُ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم احْجُبْ نِسَاءَكَ ‏.‏ فَلَمْ يَكُنْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَفْعَلُ فَخَرَجَتْ سَوْدَةُ بِنْتُ زَمْعَةَ زَوْجُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَيْلَةً مِنَ اللَّيَالِي عِشَاءً وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَةً طَوِيلَةً فَنَادَاهَا عُمَرُ أَلاَ قَدْ عَرَفْنَاكِ يَا سَوْدَةُ ‏.‏ حِرْصًا عَلَى أَنْ يُنْزِلَ الْحِجَابَ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ الْحِجَابَ ‏.‏
A'isha reported that the wives of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to go out in the cover of night when they went to open fields (in the outskirts of Medina) for easing themselves. 'Umar b Khattab used to say:

Allah's Messenger, ask your ladies to observe veil, but Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do that. So there went out Sauda, daughter of Zarn'a, the wife of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), during one of the nights when it was dark. She was a tall statured lady. 'Umar called her saying: Sauda, we recognise you. (He did this with the hope that the verses pertaining to veil would be revealed.) 'A'isha said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, then revealed the verses pertaining to veil.
Sahih Muslim 2170 d
In-book : Book 39, Hadith 25
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 26, Hadith 5397  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

MUHAMMAD HAD TO ACCEPT IT TO STOP THE MOCKERY FROM UMAR.

THAT MAKES UMAR THE LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH.

@AntiChristian.

I really don't see why ,after reading these repugnant and ridiculous deeds and sayings of Muhammad , you still feel Islam is from God.

Even Yasir Qadhi condemned the story about Gog and Magog in surah 16: 94-98, because it is a fable and a lie .

DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE WATER CANNOT BE POLLUTED BY ANYTHING , ACCORDING TO YOUR PROOHET ?

Hadith
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda'ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual clothes and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.

Abu Dawud said I heard Qutaibah b. Sa'id say: I asked the person in charge of the well of Bud'ah about the depth of the well. He replied: At most the water reaches pubes. Then I asked: Where does it reach when its level goes down ? He replied: Below the private part of the body.

Abu Dawud said: I measured the breadth of the well of Buda'ah with my sheet which I stretched over it. I them measured it with the hand. It measured six cubits in breadth. I then asked the man who opened the door of garden for me and admitted me to it: Has the condition of this well changed from what it had originally been in the past ? He replied: No. I saw the color of water in this well had changed.
Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 67
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 67
English translation : Book 1, Hadith 67
Abu Dawood

If this water is put in a bottle and brought to Nigeria for you , would you take ablution with it?

Is this statement of Muhammad correct and from a sane mind?

AntiChristian:
Stop this foolishness. Must i repeat myself all the time? Abraham was the father of faith in your Bible. God approved of him, Noah, David, etc. Yet God didn't prevent them from those sins in your Bible. Our own religion says they are Prophets and examples for people of their time hence they can't do such sins!
The people of Noah that followed him as the Prophet sent to them were saved in the ark. The people of Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad followed them as apostles of Allah sent to them. And we follow Muhammad is like manner. Our religion is the Qu'ran and Sunnah according to the understanding of the pious predecessors.
Yes, permission should come first. Stealing is taking things belonging to others without prior permission. You can't seek permission after you've possesed the item already. Assuming the owner had an astute vigilante and gun,
Stop the lies and hypocrisy.

You are confused .
God can kill the wicked because , judgments is of God.
People can call you names as they wish , but it is what you call yourself that is the truth and you will be called .
They called Jesus a mad man but he did not call himself a madman neither did he behaved like one.
They called him a demon possessed man, but he denied it and did not exhibit the character.

They called Muhammad a mad man , he accepted it and did not deny it. His behaviour attested to it .Even you and your hadith ( SAHIH) agreed that he was bewitched. Why are you full of falsehood ? You are bewitched like your evil prophet , that is why you are not truthful.

You have drank camel urine and it is affecting your brain. With that evidence in the Bible , no sane or normal person will call Jesus a sinner talk less of stealing.
But your Muhammad was accused of stealing a peace of clothes. What a shameless satanic prophet.

The life of Jesus was spent doing good deeds like :
Feeding the poor , healing the sick, raising the dead , teaching love , open the eyes of the blind, healed the deaf , raised up a 3 day old corpse from the grave , doing miracles and performing wonders . He did not kill and did not commit adultery , did not steal , did not lie etc.

What about Muhammad ?
A murderer ,a bewitched man , a thief , a demon possessed man, a vampire , a pedophile , a homosexual , a sex addict , a devil worshipper (stone worshipper ) , lover of idols , a liar etc.
You prophet could not heal the sick, could not do any miracle aside the miracle of sex .

Hadith
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet (ﷺ) the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet (ﷺ) was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa`id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
Sahih al-Bukhari 268
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 21
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 268  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari.

Ask yourself , after the camel urine is cleared from your brain , what is good about Islam and Muhammad ?

Is it not senseless to accept a bewitched man as a man of God ?

Kobojunkiee:
I am a kid because I preach obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ, the very one you pretend you serve/obey?
That is actually a compliment since Jesus Christ Himself declared that only those who become like children will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

How do you preach something you know nothing of ?

I asked you a simple question but found it hard to answer because you know nothing about Christianity and the Bible.

I want to ask you again .
When you get to your church , what do you do?

sagenaija:
You are the one isolating verses. You're the one not taking a holistic view but instead dissecting things into UNRELATED parts.

You must know what I mean by the Koran being unorganised. That again shows that some men gathered together and decided how to arrange the Koran. It was not written down in the order of Mohamed's revelations. And apparently he didn't bother to ask those scribbling them down to ensure they did so in the order he revealed them. But that is not the focus here so we'll not make it a major issue for now.

When you say that the two verses in that portion of the Koran are referring to two different persons, you are simply CLAIMING that the Koran lacks CONTEXT. And this is a book that supposedly existed in heaven before now. Did Allah find it difficult to have a clear sequence to it and yet claim that the book is a CLEAR revelation? Why should what is supposedly clear now require all the rigmarole you're going through?

You are going through all this abracadabra because, like I earlier pointed out, you have already PREDETERMINED the answer and you want to work to that answer at all cost.

Why you guys think that the account of Abraham written thousands of years before Islam should be disregarded and that of Moslems with an agenda should be accepted baffles one. But then in Islam anything goes. I hope that Allah hasn't misguided you to believe something other than what is CLEARLY stated in that portion of the Koran.

Btw, Ishmael never married 'there'. He married an Egyptian woman.

God's sacrifice of his Son satisfied him. The Son did not stay dead "but was appointed the Son of God in power by his RESURRECTION from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord." (Roman's 1:4) That's the whole picture. You like looking at the whole picture, don't you? His resurrection PROVED that God accepted his OFFERING for the sin of mankind. That's the whole picture.

Abraham's issue with Isaac was a picture of what God was going to do himself. God would in the future be willing, like Abraham, to sacrifice his Son. That's how it makes sense. Otherwise the Islamic narrative makes no sense. It simply hangs in the air.

Jesus' death became the REALITY. By Jesus' death God was in effect saying that since a PERFECT MAN is willing to make atonement for the sins of men then that PERFECT act is satisfying to him. The resurrection PROVED God's acceptance and approval of Christ's work on the cross.

Its only in Christianity that all the loose ends are tied together. Islam's narrations leave everything hanging neither here nor there. That is why you guys are unable to answer many questions posed by stories in your books. You eventually resort to 'Allah knows best' - which is really an escape route you guys take because you don't have the answers.

The organized Allah's copy of the quran ,which existed in the second heaven , has been burnt by uthman because of discrepancies .

Allah knows nothing best .

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ never make exclusions/laws for when you pray in your churches, so no matter, where you find yourself, His law to you remains UNCHANGED. So, regardless of where you find yourself, the following is what the Law say you should do.

Jesus Christ never gave His followers commands instructing them to build or congregate in places they call churches to begin with so I don't need those. He laid down the New Covenant Law and declared that only those who obey Him are those who love Him. So, the extra-curricular activities you engage in when you socialize in your churches have nothing to do with what He commanded or asked of you. Instead, it is of the men who you have placed as teachers/shepherds/masters/authorities over yourself, against His commandment.

You are a kid.

There is never any sense in anything you always post. I am very sure you know nothing about Christianity and the Bible .

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid you are operating there on beliefs that are not according to Scripture. Jesus Christ, the one you claim to serve warned against this behaviour which was also observed in the Pharisees of His time, forbidding His followers from praying aloud or being seen when doing it. Prayer is meant to be done in secret.
Jesus Christ there tells you that when you pray, no other should see or hear you. So, whatever spirit you are conjuring or concentrating there in your shouting has nothing to do with that which God commanded of you. God is against your acts of shouting aloud while praying!
Whether at your homes or in your public places such as your churches, prayer is meant to be done in private and in secret - that is the only time God rewards your prayer... Jesus Christ, Himself said so. So can anyone be against God - disobedience- and for God at the same time? Impossicant!
Your church settings are against God, to begin with so I am not sure what else you do in there can be of Him.

Just as usual , your posts are always absurd.

Let me ask you this . Is it a sin to pray in church?
When you get to your church , what do you do there ?

IamBroke:
I believe that commandment was in the old testament...so since Jesus came and die for us I think we're being save by his grace

If you had done it b4 knowing Christ , the blood of Jesus can avail for you.

Here is your case different. You are just thinking of doing it. It will be a big sin.

Jesus said he has not come to abolish the laws but to full the laws .

AntiChristian:
I think I mentioned they were men of God if not Prophets in the last post from your Bible. God inspired Noah, Abraham and others. To us they are Prophets as they were guided by Allah. I wonder why they are in the Bible if not that they were specially appointed by your God.
Muhammad was unlettered. Noah that was appointed by your God later got drunk and naked. David Jesus' ancestor committed murder, adultery and covetousness. Abraham fornicated with his wife's slave.


Quote where he sought permission before taking the donkey? And also quote where his family called him insane.



When you are extremely ignorant, you are insanely ignorant. See Da'if in bold from the hadith you posted above. Find out it's meaning. Keep looking for things against Islam and keep exposing your ignorance.


Nonsense!
Why not quote verses like this:

Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25)

23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

Responses to you posts above :

1)
Noah was appointed by God by grace to save that generation from destruction :
Genesis 6:8 KJV
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

He was not a prophet as claimed by your religion. No Jew or Christian have any of Noah's messages from God that they should follow. We are not following Noah's footsteps and commandments because the Bible did not tell us to follow him .
The same goes with David and Abraham you gave as example. We don't follow them because they did not bring any commandments from God for us to follow.

Unlike your religion , you must do and practice what Muhammad practiced and did , except few instances . You don't follow God but Muhammad. As long as you hear Muhammad , you must accept it as it is even when it is evil and senseless.

2) You want me to quote where Jesus asked for permission :
Luke 19:31-34 KJV
And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him ? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. [32] And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them. [33] And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? [34] And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

Is that stealing ? The owner gave it out willingly.
Unlike Muhammad who was accused of stealing but could not prophecy who stole it . It was even his followers that accused him of stealing. But the disciples of Jesus did not question him and never regarded that as stealing because it was not.
For your good , stop overlooking this devilish act of your satanic prophet.

3)Whether a hadith is da'if ,sahih or any name you Muslims may call it , it is not important. What is important is , it is written against him.
And everyone knows you Muslims are liars like your prophet. If not why would Muslims be writing such things against your prophet if not for the truth sake. Is it a Christian book or Islamic book ? Also , Da'if hadith's are accepted.

4) What Elisha did was scriptural and okey . If it were wrong , God wouldn't have answered his curse.
Is it not evil to curse a man of God? God also commands us to honour our elders.

Why can't Muhammad allow God to do the same for him against those speaking evil against him instead of killing them by himself. This tells you that his god is not as powerful as the God of Elisha. It is also an indication that Muhammad was the evil one.

IamBroke:
I love tattoos...and I'm planning on getting one on ma neck but I dunno if it's a sin against God.
If possible please you can drop some Bible references... thanks

Lalasticlala

It is a sin because God warned us against such in:
Leviticus 19:28 KJV
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

chatinent:
First of all, I'll like to correct the impression.

I believe there's nothing like “Holy Ghost.” I solely know of the “Holy Spirit.”

I have a neighbour who is always shouting every morning, and calling the “Holy Ghost Fire” on his enemies, clearly trying to imitate the Elijah scenario.

Cannot people pray silently without attracting attention?

Wasn't it the same thing that Pharisees did that Jesus condemned?

Please share your views.

lalasticlala, Dominque mynd44 Seun pocohantas

I think that your neighbour must be an MFM member like me.

He does not know why you shout when praying to God and where and when .
When you are in church you can shout when praying to get your spirit angered in the holy way.

For some , even in church , they don't need to shout to get concentration in their spirit before their prayers can be answered.

Essence of shouting when praying is to get full concentration and be angry in your spirit with any negative situation you detest.

Shouting during prayer is limited to church environment only. At home , you don't need to shout so loud as to disturb your neighbours.
This is wrong .

Even the use of outside speakers to disturb or create noise in the environment is wrong.
Everything shout be done in moderation for peace to reign .

Kobojunkiee:
In Isaiah 58, God tells you what He truly thinks of your fasting , telling you the kind of "fasting" He wants from you instead. Read it yourself! .

You don't just quote Bible without knowing its meaning and its application.

You quoted Isiah 58 ,why can't you tell us what it says ?

Kobojunkiee:
Pray on water and drink, on oil and handkerchief too?

Where did Jesus Christ teach these?

And how is water, oil and handkerchief that much different or better than candle praying, or praying to Angel's, dead people, pictures of Jesus or Mary. No be all of them be form of idolatry way Jesus Christ condemn finish i.e. putting your faith in unholy objects/beings rather than directly in God?

Is like you don't read your Bible at all :

James 5:14 KJV
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Acts 19:11-12 KJV
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: [12] So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

His does praying on water and on your food different ?

The bible specifically warmed the Israelites not to make images of anything and bow to them.

The Bible also forbids worshipping of angels.

Stop being confused and read your Bible very well .

Kobojunkiee:
For a true Christian, isn't fasting then according to God's new way (Isaiah 58) and not the old way?

You don't always make sensible contributions. Why ?

Which fast is an old way and which one is a new way ?
Explain yourself

AntiChristian:
Was Noah not a Prophet? Well, he became drunk then naked and even cursed...
David (though may not a Prophet according to your OT) was a man of your God. God guided him to kill Goliath but couldn't protect him from murder, adultery and covetousness. Abraham took her wife's slave and slept with her....
It is now evident that the devil is your controller. Prophet's have been accused of many things since time immemorial. So what's the fuss about this?And even if it was an accusation of theft, was there any evidence to prove this claim? But you believe it to be true. So what's the fuss about this?
Jesus was accused of insanity by his family in Mark 20:3 upwards. Does this really mean he became mad?
And Jesus told one of his disciples to steal a donkey just to fulfil a Prophecy. No prior permission was taken from its owner. You can bring proof that it wasn't stolen.

You believed he was bewitched but you don't believe Allah revealed the cure in this same narration! Chai, why is the devil directing your life this way?
You believed Job was tempted by God when Satan went to whine your God to tempt Job. Your God accepted the whining, supported Satan and tempted Job. God even sent fire to destroy Job's sheep and servant in Job 1:16.
So who destroyed Job's properties in the Bible? God! Why God? Because God said in Isaiah 45:7 that He bring prosperity and create disaster!
Satan can't do anything till your God approves it.
So why can't you believe these in the case of Muhammad? Just because it wasn't in the Bible right?

So it's Allah that made it possible for him to be bewitched. And it was Allah who cured him. And this is a lesson of great importance in Islam.

Isaiah 45:7
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things. Note the LORD is YAHWEH.

Muhammad knew only little of what was read to him from the Bible but had no knowledge of the God of the Bible . Muhammad thought every good name mentioned in the Bible was that of a prophet . Which is laughable .
Noah was not a prophet. Lot was not a prophet.
David was a prophet and more. Job was not a prophet . Isaac was not a prophet .

Stop looking for excuse for Muhammad . If he were to be a Jew , they would have stoned him to death .

You said Jesus stole a donkey just to find something to say for saying sakes .
How do you steal something from the owner when the owner gave it to you himself gave it out ?

Stop looking for excuses for your prophet atrocities.
Muhammad was was a vampire :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنِ الْعَبَّاسِ بْنِ ذَرِيحٍ، عَنِ الْبَهِيِّ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ عَثَرَ أُسَامَةُ بِعَتَبَةِ الْبَابِ فَشُجَّ فِي وَجْهِهِ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏‏ أَمِيطِي عَنْهُ الأَذَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَتَقَذَّرْتُهُ فَجَعَلَ يَمَصُّ عَنْهُ الدَّمَ وَيَمُجُّهُ عَنْ وَجْهِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ لَوْ كَانَ أُسَامَةُ جَارِيَةً لَحَلَّيْتُهُ وَكَسَوْتُهُ حَتَّى أُنَفِّقَهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏"
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"Usamah stumbled at the threshold of the door and cut his face. The Messenger of Allah said: 'Remove the harm (the blood) from him,' but I was repulsed by that. He started to suck the blood and remove it from his face, then he said: 'If Usamah were a girl, I would have adorned him and dressed him until I married him off."'
Da'if (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1976
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2052
Sunan Ibn Majah

THE BIBLE FORBIDS DRINKING OF BLOOD :

Leviticus 17:14 KJV
For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

FatherOfJesus:
Internet wouldn’t have been possible without those books. Without those books, you will probably send this message to me written in leaves with charcoal and sent via a pigeon.
But here you are using internet and smart phone invented by those books.

Humans can write books and invent great things . Would it not be foolish for any one to say the writers never existed and those things have no maker.

Who gave man that brain ?

Can all the scientists make a brain ?

haekymbahd:
I have 2 question burdening me at the bolded maybe you might be able to give me a good answer

Genesis 22
16 And said, I have sworn by Myself, says the Lord, that since you have done this and have not withheld [from Me] or begrudged [giving Me] your son, your only son,
17 In blessing I will bless you and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants like the stars of the heavens and like the sand on the seashore. And your Seed (Heir) will possess the gate of His enemies,


Was Isaac Abraham's only son at the time note your son, your only son if Abraham ever had an only so then it is Ishmael?

Why did God test Abraham and at what point did Abraham knew Isaac would be the promise child and a great nation would be made out of Ishmael because Abraham already knew this before the test so what was the essence of the test according to the bible?

Allah SWT said:
"Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 110)

"Indeed, he was of Our believing servants."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 111)

"And We gave him good tidings of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous."
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 112)

As at the time of the test , Issac was the only child of Abraham.
Ishmael had been sent away leaving only Isaac with Abraham.
Abraham knew Isaac was the promised child before God tested him.

Genesis 21:9-14 KJV
And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. [10] Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
[11] And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
[12] And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED .
[13] And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
[14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.

THIS WAS WRITTEN BEFORE ISLAM ORIGINATED . THEY DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS GOING TO BE ANOTHER RELIGION LIKE ISLAM. THE FACT OF THE BIBLE IS ESTABLISHED BECAUSE ISHMAEL ( ARABS ) WERE ONCE THE SAME FAMILY WITH THE JEWS ( ISAAC ) AND ARE PRESENTLY LIVING IN A DIFFERENT REGION.

FatherOfJesus:
Read books aside the Bible to help you start seeing reality. It’s like you are still stuck in 2000years sho.

What will books written by the ignorants do for you?
It will only increase your foolishness to a greater height.

How can a right thinking and knowledgeable someone say there is no God ?

LordReed:
All this rigmarole just to say you have no way to test if a ghost is present? LMAO! Ok.

I was just trying to prove to you that tests is not basis to test validity of an issue.

How can physical validate the spiritual ?.

There is more to this life than what your physical eyes and senses can comprehended.

You can test blood and science can confirm the existence of blood anywhere. But can the scientists with their technology produce BLOOD?

FatherOfJesus:
Your own case is worse. You are totally an ignoramus and so suck in logic. All these your kindergarten logical questions that you ask.

Why are they explaining it if it didn’t happen? Who’s explaining what?

You better start reading books aside from the Bible so you can become smarter.

You are foolishly foolish to think there is no God.

naijaboy756:
Ogbeni just pack well. You hear me pack well. If someone can pray with Oil and Water as you posited above, why can't they use incense and candle? Are the not all elements and the fullness of God? How is water a different item from candle?
That is the problem you Pentecostal churches have. Always quick to call other church's demonic while the real demons resides with you guys. Maybe on the judgement day, all MFM members will walk stray into heaven. Are there no thieves, prostitutes, adulterers, yahoo guys etc that attend MFM?
I know of one of your members that drink more than drunkards, a married boss in the office yet sleeps with cleaners.
I also know of one of your choir sisters that comes to collect sex and from the guys house goes to church.
It is becoming irritating the way you guys condemn white garment churches

You are not wise .

The fact that there are evil men in churches does not mean God is not in that church.

Like a told the Op earlier , going to MFM for deliverance without being born again is a wasted fasting and prayer .

Next time , try and get understanding of a matter before jumping to conclusion.

Judas Iscariot was among the disciples of Jesus but that did not mean Jesus is not the way , the truth and the Life .

FatherOfJesus:
Lol, what rubbish were they explaining?

Seems you are very ignorant

No am not ignorant , they are Because they are trying to find a natural reason for a supernatural event.

They are as ignorant as you are .

The point is , there are count less numbers of videos showing that people are trying to prove that that event was not supernatural but natural.

Why are they explaining how it happened if it did not happen .

This was on MSNBC news 10 years ago , isn't it?

What about other videos in YouTube which are on this very subject , have you played them ?

LordReed:
I don't need to test what height a person will be to prove they are growing. What is very important is I can actually test that human is growing so tell us how we can test that a ghost is present?

If scientists can not test the rate of growth of what they see on a daily bases , it means human brain is limited .

Let me ask you this . How many tests have been carried out to produce a human blood that have succeeded ?

Blood is a scarce commodity which is very necessary for survivals .
There are many mothers who died during child delivery as a result of loss of blood .

Why can't the scientists of this world produce a human blood , so as to prove there is no God?

FatherOfJesus:
Show us the documentaries?

Give us youtube links, let’s watch them

There are so many on YouTube .

Ex
MSNBC - Scientists try to explain Red Sea Parting ( 2010/09/23 ) 10 years ago

Moses Red Sea Crossing archeological evidences .