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Nuttella:
why would all the witches and wizards of this world decide to fight you same time when your name is not Jabez?

Was it only Jabez that all the witches and wizards fought against ?

What about Peter ?

AntiChristian:
I don't really understand of what importance it is to know the name of God before you worship Him. Is Jehovah same as Yahweh or YHWH? And was that the only name God has in Hebrew?

To answer your questions:

1. The laws of Moses was for his people. And all
Isaac was a forefather to many Prophets till it reached Jesus. God's final plan was in Abraham through Ishmael to Muhammad. May the peace and blessing of Allah be on them all.

I deleted some of the above quoted posts to reduce the length .
They are very very good and sensible points you made up there .

Let me explain mine as regards the above :

Name is a very important aspect our our lives .
Humans , Animals , products , streets , towns nations , foods , idols , cars , stars , etc all have names.
This is for identification .

There is need for identity when worshipping God because there are many unseen entities in the world which are gods . They can appear to the person and manipulate the person for evil .

Exodus 20:2-3 KJV
I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The reason the 4 Hebrew consonants YHWH was used to represent Gods name was according to God's instruction :

Exodus 20:7 KJV
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

About Ishmael .
1)Where was it written that he was destined to be the forefather of any prophet ?
Ishmael was not a prophet . There is no record of his prophethood .

2) Abraham sent Ishmael away because God told him to . He was not insane neither was he a wicked and abusive father :

Genesis 21:8-12 KJV
And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. [9] And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. [10] Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. [11] And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. [12] And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

God did not discriminate against Ishmael . He blessed him . But his blessings has nothing to do with salvation.
3) No prophet after moses came with any new law or new doctrines . It was the law God gave Moses that is still in operations till today .
4) The only person the Israelites were and are still waiting for is the Messiah . They had the commandment that the Messiah should be followed . Other than that , no prophet dare come up with new laws or doctrines in Israel .
And that Messiah is Jesus who said he has not brought any new law but to fulfil the purpose of the laws .
5) I don't know or see why you Muslims say all nations had their prophets . Nigeria never had any .
6) The purpose of the New testament is to eradicate the old covenant of shedding animal blood for sin offerings and other offerings that has to do with blood sacrifices . Besides this , the law God gave to Moses is relevant then and now . What was forbidden then is not allowed now .

7) Muhammad only copied the stories of the Bible .But the doctrine , sacrifices , retuals , mode of worshipping etc are all pagan related .
That is why Islam cannot be from God.

haekymbahd:
He didn't have same as Adam but he had mother Mary. He also had a God..

Jesus was called son of Adam, son of David, son of Abraham, son of Joseph, son of Man also son of God. Yet all are not his father...

Even though we as Muslims don't really trust the Bible like the Christians yet there instance that showed Jesus was not God...


Mark 12
28 Then one of the scribes came up and listened to them disputing with one another, and, noticing that Jesus answered them fitly and admirably, he asked Him, Which commandment is first and most important of all [[h]in its nature]?

29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

30 And you shall love the Lord your God [i]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [j]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [k]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [l]This is the first and principal commandment.(E

I believe Allah is not saying christians should not follow Jesus but how did they arrive at Jesus being God while there is only one God...

As one reads the Gospel book of the bible one see that Jesus status kept increasing. John viewed Jesus higher in status than mark, Mathew and Luke.

He was the only one who said "in the beginning was the word and the word was God... "

I believe if Christians truly want to believe bible they should learn the language with which it was written they should read the old testament and new testament in the language it was written and not translated one....

The thing is did Jesus viewed himself as God while on earth?

The Jehovah witnesses follow Jesus yet do not see Jesus as God. The trintarians follows Jesus and see him as God how did that even happen..

Jesus was never called the son of Adam and Abraham.
Adam was created from the dust as the first man . No one expected him to have a father .
Was Jesus created like Adam ? Everyone born of a woman must have a father .

MY QUESTION WAS , IS THERE ANYONE BORN OF A WOMAN WITHOUT A FATHER ?

Joseph was an adoptive father from the lineage of David . Jesus is called son of David by lineage since Joseph the adoptive father had David as his ancestor .

Someone born of the Spirit belongs to the Spirit.
Jesus had to be born this way for a REASON which is not clear to Muhammad and Allah .

What was the reason Allah made Isa to come without a father ? Did he not know it will create misunderstanding ?

Who can create a living thing from non living thing if not God ? Why did Allah give Jesus such power ?
How many President do we have in Nigeria at any particular term of office ?

One president ?
Three president ?
The two answers are right . Would people say 'they have 3 Presidents in Nigeria ? No and yes .

We have One God because He is the Creator of everything . He has the power to make anyone to be like Him . God created Jesus and gave him power to be like Him .
A lion with give birth to a lion .
We have one God because you can't worship or serve them in isolation .

Even in the old testaments , we have proofs that God has a Son .

This was the reason Jesus was crucified . Jesus Christ recognised himself as a God even before he died .

John 10:33-38 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

I will give you more evidences and proofs , but first go through this post and let me have your opinion .

petra1:
Revelation 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Why works . There's a judgement seat of christ exclusively for Christians and there's judgement for the Nations . If their judgment just about rejection of the Gospel. Why will they be judged for their works . Which works. This suggest that some who never have the gospel will be judged according to conscience

Like I said earlier , you are right .
It is just that it is very unlikely for anyone to make heaven that way .
Jesus knew this and had to come to give everyone the opportunity .

haekymbahd:
This is how Allah views Jesus
Allah SWT said:

"It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, Be, and it is."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 35)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Allah regard him as son of Mary

Allah SWT said:

"And when they angered Us, We took retribution from them and drowned them all."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 55)

"And We made them a precedent and an example for the later peoples."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 56)

"And when the son of Mary was presented as an example, immediately your people laughed aloud."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 57)

"Jesus was not but a servant upon whom We bestowed favor, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 59)

"And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 61)

"And never let Satan avert you. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 62)

"But the denominations from among them differed [and separated], so woe to those who have wronged from the punishment of a painful Day."
(QS. Az-Zukhruf 43: Verse 65)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Who then was the father of Jesus ?

haekymbahd:
To Allah Jesus is not God but a messenger whom he sent...

Christians see Jesus as God

That was what I thought as well and that was the thought of Muhammad .
Ordinarily , it is absurd to call a human being God .
But what did the quran say about the birth of Jesus ?

Can a woman give birth without a father ?

Who then is the father of Jesus ? Man or God ?

haekymbahd:
i have also been a Christian before too at a point and I know definitely we are not serving the same God...

Thank God you can identify that .

But why did the god of Islam claimed he is our god ?

Why did you leave Christianity for Islam ?

haekymbahd:
@enilove what do you think about this.

I wonder why the white garment call, Holy Gabriel, Holy Micheal, Holy Uriel while singing and praying

Have you heard of guardian angel before If yes what is their role?

They are idol worshippers .
The holy Gabriel , holy Michael etc they call upon are demons .

We have seen it in the Bible that we should not bow down to them .
The only name to God is the name of Jesus Christ .

We pray in Jesus name for the Father to hear us and not in the name of angels.

They also have the photographs of fake Jesus , Orimolade or Oshofa , holy marry etc in their churches . This is idolatry also .

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:


"And the record [of deeds] will be placed [open], and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it? And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one."
(QS. Al-Kahf 18: Verse 49)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Check the bolded I repeat you misunderstood the hadith. Yes the angels write ones deeds and writing of deeds ends the day you die meaning what is written as deeds is what you have done not what was programmed. You have to do the deed before it is written.
And written of deeds starts from when one is in the mothers womb till he dies...
Allah does injustice to no one...

I pity you really because there is s spirit inside you that is pushing away from the truth .

The hadith stipulated plainly that even if that person has been doing good deeds of paradise , when it remains a little for him to enter Paradise , he will do the deeds of evil written by the angel and he will go to hell.

That you read and you can still make reference to .

You are playing card with the devil .
Why are you not bothered with the double standard religion ?

Muhammad said a baby may go to hell depending on what is written about him , yet you did not think on this .
Even if there are other hadiths or suras saying otherwise , shouldn't that bothered you ?

I was a Muslim like you b4 , but I know we are not serving the same God . But the god of Islam falsely claims he is our god .
Why such a lie ? To deceive people .

Muhammad did not receive any divine revelations . His revelations were to suit his evil agenda :

Allah SWT said:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

Even unbelievers are ashamed to commit such atrocities , talk less of a prophet .

Moreso , he said so that so that you Muslims can marry your adopted son's wife :

We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."

Let me know why you think Islam is the way .

MaxInDHouse:
Mental inbalance has been our heritage right from inception! Mark 3:21; John 10:20; Act 26:24

So you're right on track Sir!

I reject that curse for you in Jesus name. Mental imbalance shall not be your heritage , in the name of Jesus .

By quoting those Bible references , you are indirectly accepting the wrong notions some people had about the Lord , which he did not accept .

AntiChristian:
You should note that Arabian societies before Islam were not atheistic societies that denied the existence of Allaah, or societies that were unaware that there is a Lord, Creator and Provider. They knew that, and they still retained some traces of the religion of Ibraaheem, and they had contact with Jews and Christians. But their problem was that they did not worship Allaah Alone in exclusion to others; they had other gods whom they associated in worship with Him, and which they worshipped not on the basis that they were the Lord, the Creator the Provider, but because they claimed that these were intermediaries who would intercede between them and Allaah and bring them closer to Allaah. Hence Allaah said concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):

i.e., they said, we only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allaah.

The closest relationship the Arabs had with Abraham was through Ishmael . God did not make his name known to Abraham the father of Ishmael . How and when did the Arabs get that name of God from ?

Exodus 6:2-3 KJV
And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord : [3] And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

It was Moses that God gave His name to with a warning that it should not be called anyhow. That was why it was coded in the original manuscript as YHWH .
This was about 800 years after the death of Abraham , when the generation of Ishmael had already had their gods .

It is also true that Abraham sent Ishmael away because God instructed him to do so. God said the His covenant to save the world shall be through Isaac and not Ishmael .It was for that reason Ishmael was sent away .
This was written 2500 , years b4 the advent of Islam , when nobody dreamt there was going to be any religion like Islam.

Pls , let us reason together .

What was the assignment of Muhammad that other prophets in the Bible could not deliver ?
Did he bring a new law which God could not send others b4 him to deliver ?
Did God had a change of heart by looking towards the Arabs for His salvation plan contrary to what God told Abraham ?

haekymbahd:
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Am waiting for your reply.

Pending that time . Why does Islam claimed to be against idolaters but keeps the deeds and rituals of the idolaters ?

eg.

Hadith
Narrated Muhammad bin `Abdur-Rahman bin Nawfal Al-Qurashi:

I asked `Urwa bin Az-Zubair (regarding the Hajj of the Prophet (ﷺ) ). `Urwa replied, "Aisha narrated, 'When the Prophet (ﷺ) reached Mecca, the first thing he started with was the ablution, then he performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba and his intention was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together).' " Later Abu Bakr I performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone (but Hajj and `Umra together). And then `Umar did the same. Then `Uthman performed the Hajj and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone. And then Muawiya and `Abdullah bin `Umar did the same. I performed Hajj with Ibn Az-Zubair and the first thing he started with was Tawaf of the Ka`ba and it was not `Umra alone, (but Hajj and `Umra together). Then I saw the Muhajirin (Emigrants) and Ansar doing the same and it was not `Umra alone. And the last person I saw doing the same was Ibn `Umar, and he did not do another `Umra after finishing the first. Now here is Ibn `Umar present amongst the people! They neither ask him nor anyone of the previous ones. And all these people, on entering Mecca, would not start with anything unless they had performed Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and would not finish their Ihram. And no doubt, I saw my mother and my aunt, on entering Mecca doing nothing before performing Tawaf of the Ka`ba, and they would not finish their lhram. And my mother informed me that she, her sister, Az-Zubair and such and such persons had assumed lhram for `Umra and after passing their hands over the Corner (the Black Stone) (i.e. finishing their Umra) they finished their Ihram."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1641, 1642
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 124
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 705  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Fvckyouall:
can you bring proofs and not your words cause I know for a fact many Bible topics have been debated and some proven to never have existed or may have existed but the story did not add up.

Personally , I once prayed to God to show me an evidence that he is real and he did.
That was in 1985 or thereabout .

I also had an injury in my body for over 25 years which doctors and herbalist could not understand because it was a witchcraft sponsored.

During a convention in Redeemed Camp in 1998 , I placed my hand on the spot where I had the infirmity , as directed by the pastor , and it varnished till date . The pastor did not known me and I did not go to him for prayer . He was not even their G. O. There were many small gatherings of prayer groups there of which I just decided to join one. Some few minutes or so , the pastor told us to place our hand on wherever we had infirmity , which I did . And since that day , an ailment of about Twenty five years was no more .
This was an ailment an herbarlist saw and shouted .

I was a Muslim b4 .

I have more personal evidences which cannot be numbered that shows there is a True God Almighty.

The best evidence is personal and true witness.

You can try God by asking Him to give you a proof that He actually created you and the universe .
That is the best thing to do.

Nuttella:
Your mind needs sanctification and a spiritual overhaul. You have been mistaught, you need light. True light.

What he needs first is deliverance followed by what you said above .

Fvckyouall:
you just spilled more trash.

there are religons older than christanity, Hindu is a very old religion with lots of miracles till date, shamed God's of Egypt oh that story formed by the same people who made the Bible.

you are trying to defend a religion and you are using it's books lol. if I wrote a book saying devil created the world and things about how powerful he is and use that same book to defend that religion would that not be stupidity.

bring proofs based on history acknowledged by all and proven not story books from a Bible that have no historical backing.

you have no proofs except a Bible that no one knows if the things there really existed same with all religious books so what's your proof that your God is the right one or he even exists

The account of the Bible regarding the Israelites experiences in Egypt is a historical fact which can be verified . Tourists have been visiting the land of Goshen which the Israelites occupied with remains of the kind of houses they lived in .
Egypt and Egyptians would have condemned that account but did not .
That alone is a big evidence that it occurred .

If God did not tell the Israelites to keep account of all these and to write down all the laws and commandments given to them , you would have said ' why didn't they write it down and why are they quoting other unknown historians books ' , you would have said something like that .

Fvckyouall:
There are lots of God's, every religion has their God and every religion has miracles to be done so how can you ask me is there is a one true God as far as I know except all the God's are the same person there isn't one

Although there are many gods and many religion but there is only one God who created all the human beings , animals and plants .

Let other gods bring forth the records of the miracles of their gods as the God of the Christian has been doing more than 4,000 years back .

He shamed the god of the Egyptians and made the countries to know that He is God Almighty .

There is no god that can divide a sea unless he created it .

Exodus 14:21-23,28-31 KJV
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. [22] And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground : and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. [23] And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. [28] And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. [29] But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. [30] Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. [31] And Israel saw that great work which the Lord did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the Lord, and believed the Lord, and his servant Moses.

This was a true event . That is why the Egyptians have never at any time come out to dispute this event.

I have personal evidences that makes me to know that there are gods and there is God Almighty .

Fvckyouall:
How do you know christanity is not a scam, how do you know other religions are not the right one you sound like a 15yr old kid.
You don't even understand God at all I can't even explain or say what I want to say cause a kid like you won't ever understand. Righteous before God tell me if you sense has developed by a tiny bit what is the difference between you and the pharesees now? the same scum you call Muslims, athiests or Hindus will enter Gods house before you. You clearly don't read your Bible if you did you would not be spilling this trash

There is no need for insults .

My question again is , is there a true God or not.

If you answer my question , I will tell you why and how I know that Christianity is not a scam .

AntiChristian:
Show me where you ever see the name of Allah broken down to Al and lah?

There is no God but Allah!

God = ilaah

Allah = Allah

Since Allah is a name of a god or God , how did the Arabs come about that name ?

The ancestors of Muhammad were idol worshippers just like the Yoruba in Nigeria . All idol worshippers have names for their gods which are different from the name of the God of the Israelites .
There are ' sango , Ogun , Obatala , Oya , Sopona etc , which Yoruba idolaters call during their rituals . They also name their children after these gods .
The Ibos also have names for their gods like Omadioha .

The God of the Israelites have a name and he did a miracle which only the true God can do . He made a sea to divide into two for the Israelites to escape from death.
They did not call their God ''Allah'' .

A name is a means of identification .

What is the source of that name ''Allah'' which idolaters had been calling for unknown years before Islam came .

Can you show me from the Quran or hadith ?

Fvckyouall:
you are the biggest ode ever made for this statement you will burn in hell if it exists.

Every religion says if you don't believe in their God you will burn in hell so what makes you think your own is right, you people should open your eyes and stop being f00lish. religion is a scam to control the masses

I will not burn in hell as long as I am righteous before God .

Other religion might be scam but Christianity is not a scam , although there are wolves using it to scam people .

Are you saying there is no God ?

petra1:
Except for those who never heard the gospel. Those who reject the gospel will perish but those who never heard the gospel will have other parameters

Yes . I believe you . But that will be next to impossibility .

Romans 2:14-15 KJV
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

haekymbahd:
Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion).

The hadith is exactly the way as I explained it the 4 items written by angels are what I put here. Human going to hell or paradise is not part of items written by Angels... That is as a result of choices made

Why do you have to lie and for what purpose ?

Knowing the true God is what will determine where you will spend your eternity .

Why did you copy only a portion of the hadith above ?
Did you say decision about humans going to hell or Paradise is not part of what is written by the angel?

Let's see again :

Hadith
Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."
Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THESE REMAINING FACTS WERE CUT OFF BY YOU .
Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

CAN YOU READ SEE WHERE IT IS WRITTEN IN BRACKET by the angels ?

Now tell me , who is the devil above ?
The innocent person who wanted to go to heaven but directed to hell by power above him or Allah that programmed him for hell ?

AntiChristian:
Gradually you're changing your stance. No be "Al" be God again abi?

God in Arabic is Illah not Lah!

Al- Lat is the Lat.

Allah's name is not disjointed. Allah is Allah.

Are you now saying that when it comes to the name of Allah , the first two alphabets do not mean '' the '' ?

AntiChristian:
No be tagiyah na taqiyah and that doesn't exist except in the three cases as the hadith specified.

I requested for reference where "Al" means God in Arabic.

And stop twisting the question.

How did Abdul + Allah become Abdullah?

Al + Rahmaan becomes Ar-Rahmaan

If "Al" is God, what's the meaning of Ar-Rahmaan? Al-Qudoos?

Allah is the name of the Muslim God.

If Allah is the name of the Muslim God and ''Al '' means the , then the real name of your god is ''Lah'' . Just like Allat , the idol goddess .

The letter ':the '' is Al in Arabic and name of your god is Al - lah , that is equal to -- the lah . which means your god's name is lah .

Am I wrong of right ?

haekymbahd:
You misunderstood the verse the thing is destiny exist, if you are going to be rich in life or not. If you are going to be an orphan or not. If your children will die while you are still alive e.t.c all this things have been written down now it depends on how strong your faith is with all this adversities or blessings, does it makes your faith stand or fall. Going to hell or heaven depends on your faith in your God.

That's why God sent prophets, Warner's, Quran and other divine books too tell us all this things might happen but we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell and paradise

Prophet Muhammad alone was a lesson to Muslims his children die while he was alive yet he served Allah till he died he didn't lose faith. His child dieing at a particular age has been written down but he sticking with islam till the end of his life is his choice.

What that hadith is trying to say is that whatever circumstances we find ourselves in life Allah knows and we shouldn't lose faith because it could determine the people of hell or paradise..

Allah SWT said:
"And this [Qur'an] is a Book We have revealed [which is] blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 155)

"[We revealed it] lest you say, The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,"
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 156)

"Or lest you say, If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they. So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 157)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Life is a trial for everyone of us because you serve God the way you should does not mean adversities won't befall one the way you handle it and your faith in God will determine if one will be in hell or paradise...

It is not your faith in God that will determine if one will be in hell or heaven according to the hadith you read above .
It says , if it remains a little , the person will start to behave as the destiny has written concerning him or her .

The way it should be is what you said , but unfortunately , your god says it is not so .
What about this ?
Hadith
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Can this from a Holy God ?

If you will be judged by your deeds and faith , why killing and forcing people to accept Islam :

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، قَالَ هَذَا مَا حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَذَكَرَ أَحَادِيثَ مِنْهَا وَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ فِتْيَانِي أَنْ يَسْتَعِدُّوا لِي بِحُزَمٍ مِنْ حَطَبٍ ثُمَّ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ تُحَرَّقُ بُيُوتٌ عَلَى مَنْ فِيهَا ‏"
Hammam b. Munabbih reported:

This is what Abu Huraira reported to us from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) and (in this connection) he narrated some ahadith, one of them is: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I intend that I should command my young men to gather bundles fuel for me, and then order a person to lead people in prayer, and then burn the houses with their inmates (who have not joined the congregation).

Sahih Muslim 651 c
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 319
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1371  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Hadith
وَحَدَّثَنِي عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي الزِّنَادِ، عَنِ الأَعْرَجِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَدَ نَاسًا فِي بَعْضِ الصَّلَوَاتِ فَقَالَ ‏
‏ لَقَدْ هَمَمْتُ أَنْ آمُرَ رَجُلاً يُصَلِّي بِالنَّاسِ ثُمَّ أُخَالِفَ إِلَى رِجَالٍ يَتَخَلَّفُونَ عَنْهَا فَآمُرَ بِهِمْ فَيُحَرِّقُوا عَلَيْهِمْ بِحُزَمِ الْحَطَبِ بُيُوتَهُمْ وَلَوْ عَلِمَ أَحَدُهُمْ أَنَّهُ يَجِدُ عَظْمًا سَمِينًا لَشَهِدَهَا ‏"
‏ ‏‏ يَعْنِي صَلاَةَ الْعِشَاءِ ‏‏
Abu Huraira reported:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) found some people absenting from certain prayers and he said: I intend that I order (a) person to lead people in prayer, and then go to the persons who do not join the (congregational prayer) and then order their houses to be burnt by the bundles of fuel. If one amongst them were to know that he would find a fat fleshy bone he would attend the night prayer.

Sahih Muslim 651 a
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 317
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 4, Hadith 1369  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Mostly , it occurs when the dreamer is a fornicator of adulterer .

haekymbahd:
Let me give you this scenerio Let say you vision where you were told not to marry the lady you love so much and went ahead and defy Gods word and warning and she ended up ruining you.

How did God know the lady won't be Good for you?

Is he to blame for your ruin since is warning was not heeded to?

Allah can see the future so he knows what Satan will do that's why he warned him it could be avoided?

At least you are a Christian and you believe for anything to happen in the physical realm it must have occurred in the spiritual realm... If Allah had know what will 40yrs from now it is part of his ability. If it was his intention for it to happen then he wouldn't warned Adam.

When we talk of destiny , we mean power that controls what happens in the future.

Allah was the one that destined Adam to disobey . That is what the hadith is saying.

Destiny means something you can't change.

Let's see another example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، حَدَّثَنَا الأَعْمَشُ، حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ وَهْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهْوَ الصَّادِقُ الْمَصْدُوقُ ‏
‏ إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ يُجْمَعُ فِي بَطْنِ أُمِّهِ أَرْبَعِينَ يَوْمًا، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ عَلَقَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَكُونُ مُضْغَةً مِثْلَ ذَلِكَ، ثُمَّ يَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ مَلَكًا بِأَرْبَعِ كَلِمَاتٍ، فَيُكْتَبُ عَمَلُهُ وَأَجَلُهُ وَرِزْقُهُ وَشَقِيٌّ أَوْ سَعِيدٌ، ثُمَّ يُنْفَخُ فِيهِ الرُّوحُ، فَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ، فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، فَيَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ، وَإِنَّ الرَّجُلَ لَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، حَتَّى مَا يَكُونُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهَا إِلاَّ ذِرَاعٌ فَيَسْبِقُ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابُ، فَيَعْمَلُ بِعَمَلِ أَهْلِ النَّارِ فَيَدْخُلُ النَّارَ ‏"

Narrated `Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(as regards your creation), every one of you is collected in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allah sends an angel to write four items: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters Paradise. Similarly, a person may do deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses, and he starts doing deeds of the people of the (Hell) Fire and enters the (Hell) Fire."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3332
In-book : Book 60, Hadith 7
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 549  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Can you tell me who programmed the soul to be in hell or heaven from the above ?

haekymbahd:
what is difference between an Angel and Holy Spirit in this verse

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them

Whose holy Spirit was vexed ?
That is God's holy Spirit. .

The verse above did not say ' vexed the holy Spirit '. , it's says his holy spirit . ''HIS'' is a possessive word . It belongs to God.

Biblically , holy Spirit is different from an angel.

Psalm 51:11 KJV
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Does this mean take not your angel from me ?

haekymbahd:
Did Allah warn Adam or nor

Allah SWT said:

"So We said, O Adam, indeed this is an enemy to you and to your wife. Then let him not remove you from Paradise so you would suffer."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 117)
"Then Satan whispered to him; he said, O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 120)
"And Adam and his wife ate of it, and their private parts became apparent to them, and they began to fasten over themselves from the leaves of Paradise. And Adam disobeyed his Lord and erred."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 121)
"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 122)
"[Allah] said, Descend from Paradise - all, [your descendants] being enemies to one another. And if there should come to you guidance from Me - then whoever follows My guidance will neither go astray [in the world] nor suffer [in the Hereafter]."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 123)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Before Allah can punish anyone then a warning must have come. Yes Allah still forgave him and made him a prophet. What more should he do.

Allah is still better than the God of the original sin who didn't forgive until he sent Jesus...

Who made Adam to eat the fruit , Satan or Allah?

haekymbahd:
@enilove Christians even stooped so low to call angel (holy spirit) God ... God the father, God the son, God the Holy spirit

Isaiah 63:9-12
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his [b]holy Spirit: [/b]therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

Allah SWT said:
"Say, Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 97)

*Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

No Christian would call an angel Holy Spirit .
It is not only the Holy Spirit who does not forgive sins . Just as you read above , it says the ANGEL .

There is an instance where the angel did not forgive :

Luke 1:18-20 KJV
And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
[19] And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
[20] And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Did that make Gabriel the Holy Spirit ? No .
Two things can have related attributes but does not akways make them the same.
Because birds flies does not make angels to be birds .

haekymbahd:
Everyone will bear his or her own burden alone. Allah has sent prophet and warners at intervals including the Quran to warn humans that he is one God and has no partners we humans made our choices.
The bolded above shows there is a certain age one can reach before one can commit sin so Allah didn't plan hell for innocent children but only the defiantly disobedient people...

Allah SWT said:

"And We send not the messengers except as bringers of good tidings and warners. So whoever believes and reforms - there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 48)

"But those who deny Our verses - the punishment will touch them for their defiant disobedience."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 49)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Let me ask you this is the Holy Spirit 'God' or 'an Angel'?

As I once told you , you don't know the kind of god you are worshipping .

If you want to know the truth , when I ask you a question , think about it with an open mind b4 answer it .
I will do the same with yours .

You said everyone will bear his or her burden . That is the way it should be . But the case of a baby , what was the comment of Muhammad ?

Let's see another evidence to prove that Allah is not Almighty God :

Hadith



حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ حَاتِمٍ، وَإِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ دِينَارِ، وَابْنُ أَبِي عُمَرَ الْمَكِّيُّ، وَأَحْمَدُ بْنُ عَبْدَةَ، الضَّبِّيُّ جَمِيعًا عَنِ ابْنِ عُيَيْنَةَ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لاِبْنِ حَاتِمٍ وَابْنِ دِينَارٍ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ، عُيَيْنَةَ عَنْ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ طَاوُسٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ، يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‏ احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى فَقَالَ مُوسَى يَا آدَمُ أَنْتَ أَبُونَا خَيَّبْتَنَا وَأَخْرَجْتَنَا مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ مُوسَى اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِكَلاَمِهِ وَخَطَّ لَكَ بِيَدِهِ أَتَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدَّرَهُ اللَّهُ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي بِأَرْبَعِينَ سَنَةً ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَفِي حَدِيثِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَرَ وَابْنِ عَبْدَةَ قَالَ أَحَدُهُمَا خَطَّ ‏.‏ وَقَالَ الآخَرُ كَتَبَ لَكَ التَّوْرَاةَ بِيَدِهِ ‏.‏"



Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

There was argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for direct conversation with you) and wrote with His own Hand the Book (Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said:. This is how Adam came the better of Moses and Adam came the better of Moses.

Sahih Muslim 2652 a
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 20
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6409  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS ALL THE EVILS OF THIS WORLD ARE DESTINED BY Allah .

Tell me , is that a case if bearing ones burden ?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 192)

"The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 193)

"And indeed, it is [mentioned] in the scriptures of former peoples."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 196)

"And has it not been a sign to them that it is recognized by the scholars of the Children of Israel?"
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 197)

*Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

What is the difference between your Allah and Satan via the below :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ طَلْحَةَ بْنِ يَحْيَى، عَنْ عَمَّتِهِ، عَائِشَةَ بِنْتِ طَلْحَةَ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ أُمِّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ، قَالَتْ دُعِيَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلَى جَنَازَةِ صَبِيٍّ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ طُوبَى لِهَذَا عُصْفُورٌ مِنْ عَصَافِيرِ الْجَنَّةِ لَمْ يَعْمَلِ السُّوءَ وَلَمْ يُدْرِكْهُ قَالَ ‏

‏ أَوَغَيْرَ ذَلِكَ يَا عَائِشَةُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَلَقَ لِلْجَنَّةِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ وَخَلَقَ لِلنَّارِ أَهْلاً خَلَقَهُمْ لَهَا وَهُمْ فِي أَصْلاَبِ آبَائِهِمْ ‏"


A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:

Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.

Sahih Muslim 2662 c
In-book : Book 46, Hadith 47
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 33, Hadith 6436  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Why would a good God create someone for hell without sin or not ?

Matthew 19:14 KJV
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:2-4 KJV
And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[4] Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Tell me why your god would want innocent children to go to hell ?