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Adekdammy:
Why mfm? Why not any bible believing church? Promote Christ and not church sir

LordReed:
LMAO! Says objective then points to the bible.

Link us to the discoveries that say Israelites lived in Egypt because as far as I know mainstream Israeli archeologists have admitted that the Exodus story has no evidence it happened.

LordReed:
Good grief LMAO! How can we test for ghosts to be sure they are real?

lyrical:
You make this sound as if you judging a church you know no foundation of ? What satanic doctrine can you pinpoint they do?

FatherOfJesus:
You have evidence for the existence of ghosts?

FatherOfJesus:
What kind of question are you asking?

How can you ask an atheist if he believes in spirits?

FatherOfJesus:
Telling me to stop reading it with common sense is tantamount to saying that I should read the Bible without my brain and then accept whatever it says.

Why should I need a spirit to understand texts written by archaic humans who didn’t know how the universe function?

excel222:
If it is biblical to pray on water and handkerchief just because such items was used for spiritual purpose in the Bible don't you think or know that they are other spiritual items used inside the Bible? Candles, garment , incense, anointing oil are other spiritual items found or used inside the Bible.. If you doubt me read the Bible book of Revelation very well.. I don't have the power to condemn any church that teaches Christ, but do you know that some places today they called temple of the living God is not a church! Imagine why mfm and some other churches today doesn't have any altar?. So many Christians today think that were pastors and their wives sat is an altar.. An altar is not a mere place but a sacred place, look at the altars the Bible talks about you will know what an altars was. Like I said earlier I am not the judge..

AntiChristian:
Call me ignorant Jesus too gave an ignorant answer too. How was Muhammad a bewitched person? Was Paul too bewitched when he say the light and was blinded? He saw devil posed as Jesus. And this lead him to create Christianity. Biblical Jesus died a Jew.
No revelation in the Qur'an is man-made. That was one of the permissions granted to the prophet.


If that story was in the Bible, you'll say it was copied but now na fable abi? Chai, Holy Spirit don corrupt your brain with nonsense. No wonder your the Yahweh of Adeboye dey drink his tea.

He didn't get a revelation or it came much later?

Yes, he may have been accused and all exonerated him in the verse. All Prophets are free from sins like this. It is only in the Bible that Prophets became drunk & naked, commit murder and adultery.
Jesus was accused of insanity in the Bible. Does that really mean he was insane?

And why do you keep cutting out part of the response that your Holy spirit couldn't respond to?

AntiChristian:
Call me ignorant Jesus too gave an ignorant answer too. How was Muhammad a bewitched person? Was Paul too bewitched when he say the light and was blinded? He saw devil posed as Jesus. And this lead him to create Christianity. Biblical Jesus died a Jew.
No revelation in the Qur'an is man-made. That was one of the permissions granted to the prophet.


If that story was in the Bible, you'll say it was copied but now na fable abi? Chai, Holy Spirit don corrupt your brain with nonsense. No wonder your the Yahweh of Adeboye dey drink his tea.

He didn't get a revelation or it came much later?

Yes, he may have been accused and all exonerated him in the verse. All Prophets are free from sins like this. It is only in the Bible that Prophets became drunk & naked, commit murder and adultery.
Jesus was accused of insanity in the Bible. Does that really mean he was insane?

And why do you keep cutting out part of the response that your Holy spirit couldn't respond to?

FatherOfJesus:
I have read the Bible like more than thrice from genesis to revelation. Why do you think I’m an atheist?

If you read the Bible with common sense, you will become atheist.

excel222:
So you think celestial don't pray and fast also? Or Mfm dont make use of oil (anointing oil) and other spiritual items for prayer like celestial? For your own information there is one close to me, every Monday morning I usually saw the members with a bottle of water b4 and after d morning service..

AntiChristian:
Holy spirit needs spanking for making you have this thought. Solomon was granted abilities which include hearing the speech of animals. He then thanked Allah for granting him such. How is this a fable?
Allah says in the Quran that the difference in languages is a miracle, and not a curse. Allah does not plot jealously against humans. All humans cannot do anything against the will of Allah and can neither harm nor benefit the Almighty Allah whether they speak one language or not.

FatherOfJesus:
You really think that an atheist will take anything from the Bible seriously? It’s like presenting Spider-Man comic magazine to you.

lyrical:
Thanks for contributing sir, but have you seen, observed why do such before “judging”.... I respect you but AGE doesn’t sometimes mean enlightenment.

Just like going to MFM to fast and pray for 3 days... to some people, it might not sound right. Thank you

lyrical:
Please am not really religious but was raised in the Catholic Church, I even attended a seminary school for about 5 years, after my university education, I was frustrated as started following the “yahoo trend”...
Now for 7 years, I have been working but nothing to show off just sustenance and eating fee.... no house no cars nothing... now some of my friend into this same thing has told me about going to bath cele soap , one even advise to go meet Alfa or native doctor to make your clients pay forever and be subjected to you! Now my friends am staying with recently went on to Lagos to get soap and oil perfume in our names including mine, but am skeptical of using the Soap, though it’s white with honey on top and oil perfume...

Please I need your undiluted truth especially from CCC members as regards bathing soap and use of oil, what is it’s significance? Because I believe every young boy using that is just to make money!
I ask again? Does this really work? And would I have to use it forever though I wouldn’t want to be a Cele number!

Please give me your advice from experience not from what you heard!
Shalom

FatherOfJesus:
You cannot for something that doesn’t exist in that reality. There is also no test for fairies, dragons, or unicorns.

I’m sure that theists will try to claim that the universe existing is proof that deities exist, but don’t be fooled. If I said that fairies created the universe would you believe the universe is evidence that fairies exist?

Any claim that states ‘we don’t know, therefore God’ is automatically illogical as it’s a god of the gaps fallacy.

The universe and everything in it existing is evidence that the universe exists. It cannot be used as evidence for a supernatural being because everything in the universe is natural. No one have ever proven any supernatural event happening in the universe, all we hear are unjustifiable verbal testimonies. Randy and many skeptics have times set up bounties for anyone that can prove paranormal activities, no one has won it and many participants failed.

There is no objective evidence that anything supernatural has ever happened anywhere. There is certainly no objective evidence for any of the 4,200(ish) gods that theists claim to exist.

The easy explanation for there being 4,200 gods, and no evidence that they actually exist, is that humans have a need to tell stories. These stories evolve into beliefs, and over time this leads to children being indoctrinated with tales of supernatural beings.

In short: theists have tried thousands of ’tests’ searching for their specific imaginary supernatural being. Obviously, none of them have ever discovered anything because there is nothing to discover.

It doesn’t matter who the scientists is, you cannot discover something that just isn’t there

AntiChristian:
When the Qur'an is recited to some people they say "tales of the ancient". Does this now prove it contains fables and fictitious stories? Even the hearers said "If they had willed they could have say (something) like this. Were they willing to say fictitious stories and fables?
Holy Spirit gone haywire in your head!

Almost all scriptures/revelations were denied from Noah, Moses, etc.
So does that make them fictitious and fables?
You are a disbeliever quoting the words as said by the disbelievers!

So how does the above verse lead to hell from what the Holy Spirit guided you to understand from it?

AntiChristian:
Because the Qur'an is not a story book like the Bible. It is an eternal message for the world.

livingchrist:
Everyone has broken the law including you, so flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. This is actually bad news if you depend on the law.
@ bolded A Christian walks in the faith of Jesus christ so is not under the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.




James is referring to those who do not depend on the faith of Jesus christ alone

James 2:1, 8 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

livingchrist:
You have to understand what Jesus was saying, you only quoted one-quarter of what Jesus said. Look at his full statement

Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Vs 18 clarified vs 17, Jesus didnt destroy the law it but he fulfilled it.
There is a difference between destroy and abolish it, infact to destroy has somewhat to do with to condemn or to ruin but to abolish means to bring to an end or to stop it.
Vs 17 says the law cannot pass away until it is fulfilled what does that tell you? Once the law is fulfilled it passes away, that is what Christ did.

A car idling can be stop by destroying the car or simply by switching it off with its key.

Using a car as an example of what Jesus was saying, he didnt come to destroy the car but turn the key to a position where it can stop, which is fulfilling it.

Or else why dont you slaughter animals for sacrifice again? Was it not part of the law?

The simple answer is no, no murderer, or adulterer will inherit God's kingdom.

Dtruthspeaker:
My Sister( BROTHER ) help me tell him oh!

He is reading a Legal Document, Written by a Lawyer as a carpenter would read a medical doctors Diagnosis Notes!

How can his reading ever be correct?

Would he accept and act on an information passed by a mechanic when his landlord's lawyer has written a 3Paged Letter?

livingchrist:
The bible records that Jesus abolished the law of commandments, in other words the believer is no longer under the condemnation of the law anymore.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

You see, for Jesus to establish a new covenant he had to do away with the old testament and then establish a new one.

Jesus did not reform or repair the old testament but he did away with it in his entirety through his sacrifice and established a new one instead.

The new covenant is sufficient and more superior to the old testament.

The law on the other hand served its purpose in bringing people to the messiah.

Paul records that the law is good but it is useless to establish righteousness.

The righteousness of a believer is not based on law keeping but based on his faith in Jesus Christ.
This righteousness that is not based on works is called imputed righteousness.

However, the believer is under a law called the law of Christ or the law of the spirit of Jesus, in this law we live according to our new identity in Christ, for example we live a righteous life because we have being made righteous, we do not live a righteous because we want to attain righteousness or because we want to be worthy.
A bird does not fly because it wants to be a bird but a bird fly because it is a bird.

We live holy because we are already holy, we do good because we have being made good, that is why the motivation in the new testament is to walk according to our spiritual state.

there is no condemnation to those who walk in the spirit.
But immediately a believer trys to live holy or to be righteous by depending on the flesh he or she has fallen from grace and as such crucifying the Lord Jesus afresh again.
This false teaching of works for salvation has pervaded the churches today and is what is common today, these teaching has the appearance of godliness but deny the power thereof, they preach for men to do righteousness but deny the power of godliness.
The power of godliness is grace! The flesh is completely useless and vain and woe to him that depend on the flesh, grace is God giving us freely that which we work for.


The law is not of faith hence those whose righteousness is from their ability to keep the law do not live by faith.

The old testament today is pointer to the new testament and with the new testament we can better understand the old testament.

AntiChristian:
It is proven from the Qu'ran and Sunnah that it was Isma'eel and not Ishaq that Ibraheem wanted to sacrifice.

Praise be to Allah.

Allaah says of His slave and Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):

And he said (after his rescue from the fire): “Verily, I am going to my Lord. He will guide me!”

“My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.”

So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: “O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!” He said: “O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In shaa’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).”

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: “O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!” Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram);

And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations.

“Salaam (peace) be upon Ibraaheem!”

Thus indeed do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves.

And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.

We blessed him and Ishaaq (Isaac). And of their progeny are (some) that do right, and some that plainly wrong themselves.” [al-Saaffaat 37:99-113)

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah tells us that when His Close Friend (Khaleel) Ibraaheem migrated from the land of his people, he asked his Lord to grant him a righteous son, so Allaah gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy. This was Ismaa’eel (peace be upon him), because he was the first child who was born (to Ibraaheem, peace be upon him). There is no dispute on this point among the followers of the various religions [Jews, Christians and Muslims], that (Ismaa’eel) was the first child born to Ibraaheem.

See Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah by Ibn Katheer, 1/157-158

The one who was to be sacrificed was Ismaa’eel and not Ishaaq, because of the reasons stated above. In his Tafseer (commentary) on these Ayaat, Ibn Katheer also mentioned a number of points which prove that it was Ismaa’eel who was to be sacrificed. These points may be summed up as follows:

Ismaa’eel was the first child of whom glad tidings were given to Ibraaheem. He was older than Ishaaq according to the consensus of the Muslims and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). According to the scriptures of the People of the Book, it was stated that Allaah commanded Ibraaheem to sacrifice his only son, and in some manuscripts it says that he was to sacrifice his first-born son.

The first son is usually more dear than other children, so the command to sacrifice him is a more exacting test.

It is mentioned that glad tidings of a forbearing boy were given, and that he was the one who was to be sacrificed. Later in the passage it says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous.” When the angels brought the glad tidings of Ishaaq to Ibraaheem, they said: “We give you glad tidings of a boy (son) possessing much knowledge and wisdom” [al-Hijr 15:53 – interpretation of the meaning].

Allâh said (interpretation of the meaning): “But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq, and after him, of Ya’qoob.” (Hood 11:71) meaning that a child called Ya’qoob would be born during their (Sara and Ishaaq’s) lifetimes, and he would have many descendents… and it does not sound right for Ibraaheem to be commanded to sacrifice him when he was little, because Allaah had promised that he would have many descendents.

Ismaa’eel is described here (in Soorat al-Saffaat) as being “forbearing” because this is very appropriate in this context.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/15. And Allaah knows best.

From islamQA.com

sonmvayina:
Try reading isaiah 45:1-7...

1Sharon:
God is either UNWILLING or UNABLE to stop evil.

Either way you look at it makes him look like an asshole.

sonmvayina:
Maybe if you read isaiah 45:7 you will have more sense...or lamentation 3:38...or the story of noah....

Devil does nothing without hearing "ok" from God.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not know this man is Insane and one of the many mad men of Nairaland?

sonmvayina:
This is the best write up i have read from a muslim since i was born. Wao, i never knew there was such beautiful and knowledgible muslims arround...


Thanks a lot.

You captured reality and God..and it made perfect sense..

ademobi:
Importance of the Question

Since you live in the 21st century, it is very probable that you have at least come across, if not been influenced by, what is known as “the problem of evil”. You might have heard it at school or work after someone was murdered: “How could God allow this to happen?!” You see it in articles and blog posts after the bombardment of an entire village: “What kind of God would allow these things to happen?!”

You will even find it in intellectual circles and philosophy books: “If there really were a perfectly good, all-knowing, all-powerful God, then there would be no evil and suffering in the world.”

This so-called problem is one of the most common arguments that skeptics use to deny the existence of God. They assume that they have found an Achilles heel in the religions that believe in God. The common picture we have in our minds is of the skeptic atheist calmly presenting a logical, intellectual, and scientific argument while the religiously-inclined defendant becomes emotionally charged and tries to beat around the bush.

However, the strength of this argument does not, in any way, have to do with logic or rationale but rather is emotionally charged to the core and attempts to hijack any sensitive event it can find. Nor is it a new question.

In fact, we find the angels asking something similar even before man was created:
*“When your Lord told the angels, ‘I am putting a deputy on earth,’ they said, ‘How can you put someone there who will cause damage and bloodshed, when we celebrate Your praise and proclaim Your holiness?’ but he said, ‘I know what you know not’”* (Qur’an, 2:30).

In other words, God was asked, “Why would you allow this human, who will do bad things, to exist? Why not create someone who won’t do anything bad, like us?” The answer was, “I understand the wisdom in what I am doing, and you don’t.”

*Exploding the Myth*

That, in a nutshell, is the answer to the so-called problem. There is no logical contradiction between God being Infinitely Good, Infinitely Powerful, and allowing bad things to happen. The idea that the evil and suffering in the world present an unanswerable challenge to believers is finally being admitted by more open-minded researchers.

Stump and Murray make the following confession in their book, Philosophy of Religion: The Big Questions: “The logical problem of evil has been severely criticized in recent years and is regarded in the contemporary literature on the subject as largely discredited. In brief, the problem with this argument is that it assumes something false. Specifically, it assumes that a good being would prevent every evil it can under any circumstances…Thus, at best, the logical problem of evil shows us that if God exists, the only evil that exists is evil for which there is some good reason.”

The rhetorical questions now change to inquisitive questions. Rather than blurting out, “How could God do that?! What kind of God does these things?!” the question now is “Why is the world this way and what wisdom lies in that?”

*Life is a Test*

The secret to understanding the issue is so simple that it often eludes us. Life is a test. Man has been given a limited free will to do good or bad.
Look at the following statement of the Prophet:

*“The life of a believer is truly amazing. Everything that happens to him is good. This is only true for a believer and none else. If something pleasant happens to him, he is thankful and that is good for him. If something bad afflicts him, he is patient and that is also good for him.”* (Muslim)

Affliction is part of the test of life. If God were to interfere and prevent every bad thing from happening to each individual, it would be like taking the test away from a student. Saying that the bad that exists in the world is necessary does not mean that it is justified or praiseworthy. Believers are always commanded to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, which is another test in itself.

Conclusion

It should be patently clear that the inability to see the wisdom behind something should not be a cause of criticizing that thing. Of course, the final word on all of this is that God knows best.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is come and learn what true Christianity means from the true Christians (JWs) it will not cost you a dime!

The Bible revealed two covenants:
The Mosaic Law covenant with which God engaged (only) the nation of Israel.
And
The Christ's Law covenant with which God engaged faithful people from all nations.

When Jesus came he perfectly LIVE and FULFILLED the Mosaic Law, then he was hanged on a tree so Jesus died with the Mosaic Law. {Galatians 3:24-25} Therefore a Christian has nothing as in NOTHING to do with whatever that old law says! Romans 10:4
Answer to your question!
Know today that Christ is now our own Law, therefore i can kill, steal, coveth or commit any other thing you might think of only if Jesus also practice such things! 1Peter 2:21
I don't need the law all i need is Jesus, as long as i keep looking faithfully unto Jesus and following his footsteps closely as my role model i'm greater than all those who live by the Mosaic law! Matthew 11:11
May you have PEACE!