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haekymbahd:
Now this is a Gospel termed non canonical gospel of bernabas which showed how Jesus received the gospel.. I will like to know the criteria of tagging some gospel books canonical and non cannonical

Why can't you answer my questions ?

There are so many things written about Muhammad that are so shameful which you Muslims decided to exclude in the Quran and the hadith's .

Am not using these as evidences . Am using your approved books , the Quran and the hadiths .
The book of Bernabas or banana is not part of the Bible and will not waste my time to prove to you its validity .

Answer my questions and stop avoiding the truth.

Op , this man who called himself a Pastor is a baby Christian and should be demoted immediately :


1 Peter 2:13-14 KJV
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; [14] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

haekymbahd:
revelation of Gospel to Jesus is different from written of Gospel by unknown people who claimed to have gotten facts from unknown eye witnesses get that.... Thank Allah the Quran has history to be traced how can I trace how the Bible written and if the words are not distorted
Allah SWT said:

"O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?"
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 71)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

In reality, the ‘verse’ was something that the Prophet (ṣ) stated but which was never part of the written Quran. Stoning the married adulterer, who was seen in public by four witnesses, is part of Islamic law as established in the Sunnah.

Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, said:

رَجَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَرَجَمَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ وَرَجَمْتُ وَلَوْلَا أَنِّي أَكْرَهُ أَنْ أَزِيدَ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ لَكَتَبْتُهُ فِي الْمُصْحَفِ فَإِنِّي قَدْ خَشِيتُ أَنْ تَجِيءَ أَقْوَامٌ فَلَا يَجِدُونَهُ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ فَيَكْفُرُونَ بِهِ

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, stoned (the married adulterer), Abu Bakr stoned, and I stone. Were it not that I hate adding to the book of Allah, I would have written it in the copy of the Quran. I fear that people will come and not find it in the book of Allah, so they will disbelieve in it.

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1431, Grade: Sahih

That verse of stoning was never part of the Quran in the first place. Stop passing false information... Even if goat ate it a lot of people have memorized the whole Quran offhead which is a miracle on its own I don't know how a verse will be missing and they won't know

And Abu Muhammad said:

When the verse of stoning was revealed, it was memorized, acknowledged, and it was acted upon by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, except that he did not have it written in the copies of the Quran, nor did he affirm its wording in the Quran. Umar ibn Al-Khattab asked about that, as we have related, and the Prophet did not obligate him to do it.

Source: al-Muḥallá 12/177

This is not about arguments . I want you to see it as an avenue to receive the truth and pass the truth . Meaning show evidences for your claims with an open mind .

You claimed the gospel of Jesus was different from what we have now . When did it defer ? Before Muhammad or after muhammad ?

This is a direct question which needs direct answer.

All the Quranic verses were memorized yet :

1) They recited them differently to the extent of fighting themselves .
2) They recited them very well and yet Muhammad forgot some .
3 ) They recited the Quran very well but compiled the Quran with great contradictions that made them to burn the Quran .
4 ) Despite being memorized , they refused to include it in the Quran .

Who gave them the authority to exclude and include some part of the word of your god from the quran ?

You intentionally left out the other part of the Quran which the goat ate . That is , the 'adult breast feeding ' . Why are they not included in the Quran ?

Another question you need to ask yourself , why did Gabriel fail to reveal the truth about whether or not Aishat cheated on Muhammad?

If you can give answers to these questions I will also take my time to reply your questions vividly .

haekymbahd:
At the bolded thank God we know how the Quran was compiled and the reason for burning.

Now to the satanic Bible
We don't know the author of those books. The narration of the gospel books where according Mathew, Luke, Mark, John meaning they were not written by them but by someone else, what are there names...

Mathew, Luke, John , Mark and Paul were they disciples of Jesus when he was alive what is there surnnames how did they categorized canonical and canonical Gospels.
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You don't know the Author of the Bible but your Allah and Muhammad knew .

Allah SWT said:
وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ الْإِنْجِيلِ بِمَآ أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فِيهِ ۚ وَمَنْ لَّمْ يَحْكُمْ بِمَآ أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولٰٓئِكَ هُمُ الْفٰسِقُونَ
"And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 47)

THAT YOUR QUESTION IS NOT RELEVANT SINCE YOUR ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD APPROVED TO ITS DIVINITY.

You are believing a fake book and a fake god.

In order to hide the shameful revelations of Muhammad , the Muslims claimed a sheep or goat ate the Quran :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو سَلَمَةَ، يَحْيَى بْنُ خَلَفٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الأَعْلَى، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، عَنْ عَمْرَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، ‏.‏ وَعَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ لَقَدْ نَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الرَّجْمِ وَرَضَاعَةُ الْكَبِيرِ عَشْرًا وَلَقَدْ كَانَ فِي صَحِيفَةٍ تَحْتَ سَرِيرِي فَلَمَّا مَاتَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ وَتَشَاغَلْنَا بِمَوْتِهِ دَخَلَ دَاجِنٌ فَأَكَلَهَا ‏.‏

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed
[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."

[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>

Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020
Sunan Ibn Majah

They destroyed the Quran of Allah and allowed goat to eat the remains .

Who are you Muslims deceiving ?

People knew Quran was a fabricated lies of Muhammad :

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]. But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 101)

Quran is not the book of God and the god of the Quran cannot see into the future .

Muhammad claimed he received messages from an angel whose name he knew not.
If truly he received divine message which involved secret thing which are known to God only , why could he not receive any message when AISHAT WAS ACCUSED OF ADULTERY ?

IS THAT A PROPHET ?

haekymbahd:
Allah SWT said:

"And We have not revealed to you the Book, [O Muhammad], except for you to make clear to them that wherein they have differed and as guidance and mercy for a people who believe."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 64)

"And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 89)


* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Which book ? Why was the book burnt ? The Quran is a satanic book ..

The Quran was so bad and full of errors that Uthman had to burn all the first set of Quran of Allah . Why ?

Hadith
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
In-book : Book 66, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

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bingbagbo:
Many hold the opinion that, Satan is currently in control of the earth and its affairs. But is that the position of the scriptures? Well, for those who hold this opinion cite the scripture that refers to Satan as "the god of this world"

Well, this world does not mean the EARTH. This World refers to SIN. Satan is the god of sin. As to who is in charge of the Earth, let's here what the scriptures teach:

Psalms 47:1-2,6-9
[1]Oh, clap your hands, all you peoples! Shout to God with the voice of triumph!
[2]For the Lord Most High is awesome; He is a great King over all the earth.
[6]Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises!
[7] For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding.
[8] God reigns over the nations; God sits on His holy throne.
[9]The princes of the people have gathered together, The people of the God of Abraham. For the shields of the earth belong to God; He is greatly exalted.


The above verses are explanatory and explicit. Those who believe Satan is the temporary God of the Earth cite Matthew 4 when Satan told Jesus he would give Him all the Kingdoms of the world as the basis of their position; but did Jesus believe what Satan told Him? NO! Besides, what is the devil's track record? He is a Liar! Why then do many believe in the devil's claim? Well, God controls the Heavens and the Earth.

Amen.

If the world was ruled by the Lord God , it would go the way He wanted and planned it .
There wouldn't be need for the Lord Jesus to tell us to hate the world . It means we will have to follow his rulings by following the world system which He instituted .

But that is not the case here . The Bible tells us :

John 15:19 KJV
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

The world is going the way of the devil , that is why it is going to be destroyed :

1 John 2:15-17 KJV
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[16] For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
[17] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

10mobile:
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This present generation is full of ignorant people .
It is this present generation that will tell you that historical facts are fictions . When you ask them for proof , they just speak jagons .

How can someone who is just about 30 years old claims he or she knows that an event written 2000 years b4 his birth is wrong , without any proof to show for his claims ?

Some books of the Bible have been existing for more than 3000 years and the events recorded therein has never been rejected by the people of old who lived close to that era

Those who claim Jesus never existed are not foolish but just out to confuse people with their falsehood . It is part of Satan's plan to misdirect people from the true way of salvation in Jesus Christ .

Tell them to show their evidence that Jesus never lived , they won't be able to . This am sure of .

The apostles of Jesus died not for earthly gains but to bear the truth about our Lord Jesus Christ.

People don't willingly die for lie but for the truth .
Truth always prevails .

Jesus lived , no doubt about that.

Op , your case is like that of Paul the Apostle . God that saw him through , will see you through and keep you from all evil.

As for the churches , don't blame them and don't be angry with them either . This world is dangerous and you cannot tell who is who unless you can see visions and hear from God . Sadly , most pastors are deaf and blind . They would there4 resort to their mental judgement to deal with issues they are not sure of .

God has confirmed His word in your life , that is the peace you are experiencing :

John 16:33 KJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.


Always think of your reward in heaven . Stay blessed.

paxonel:
Ok, lets leave Dangote.
To be like Paul the apostle or Adenuga who do you prefer?

I will still choose to be like Paul the Apostle .

livingchrist:
Paul of course the greatest apostle of christ

I thank God for your life because it is not like that for some General Overseers or Pastors .
They want to own jets and have more than their church members .

They are not living by examples . They need to reexamine their faith .

Helpfromabove1:
Let me quickly ask Google

For matters like this , Google will not help . Only Jesus can save .

The Bible says in :


Matthew 16:26 KJV
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

I would rather choose to be like Paul the apostle. Although , he was poor but he knew his destination.

But as for Dangote , his destination is very very uncertain .

What about you ?

bingbagbo:
But u believe the devil when he says the kindoms of the earth had been given onto him

Even though the scriptures call him the Father of lies

Did Jesus deny this ?

bingbagbo:
Lol

Where in scripture did man give His authority to Satan? Yes, Adam and Eve disobeyed God, but the scriptures never say they handed any authority to Satan.

Again, where in scripture does it say Satan rules THE EARTH? Do you know what that means?

Read Romans 13:1

Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords

What does it mean to be the '' prince of this world '' ?

Satan is the prince of this world :

John 14:30 KJV
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


If God is the ruler of this world , why would Satan ask Jesus to bow to him b4 handing over the earth to him ?

Did Jesus not say that his kingdom is not of this world ?

John 18:36 KJV
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

L0g1C:
And when did the devil stop being a liar

Did I say the devil is no longer a liar ?

The earth belongs to God :

Psalm 24:1 KJV
The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

After the creation of the earth , God gave the management of it to man , but man lost it to Satan by obeying him instead of God .
Since the time Adam fell till now , Satan has been ruling the earth .

The largest populations of the earth are worshipping Satan directly or indirectly .

The purpose of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ is to save souls and destroy this world .

It is because Satan is the ruler of this world that made him to ask for Jesus' worship :

Matthew 4:8-9 KJV
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

This world is ruled or governed by Satan .

ANOTHER HOLE IN THE QURAN :

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed
[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."

[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>

Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020
Sunan Ibn Majah


Why couldn't Allah prevent a sheep from eating his words ?

AntiChristian:
Your Lord did similar things. He killed 42 kids when they abused Elisha.

What should we call your LORD here?
If your Lord can support killing 42 kids just because they called a Prophet "bald head" why do you refuse our Lord supporting his Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam this way?

Hypocrisy is your ways. That's why you lied before that Al means God in Arabic.

Ignorant liar claiming holy spirit. Devil is your companion.

Answer the questions:

Which Bible translation is the best rendering of your books?

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

Are you saying your god and Muhammad did not have answers to these questions before approving of the Bible ?

By asking me those questions simply means you are calling your prophet a liar and Quran a false book , which is the reason for this thread , to show you the holes in your hadiths and Quran.

Tell me why the Arabs had to born the Quran .

AntiChristian:


What I don't understand is why Christians who can't agree on the best translation of their book or on how many books are inspired would still be disturbing us here.

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

The answers and evidences can never satisfy you, since your motive is to bring or align the Bible with your corrupt Quran and hadiths .

Your prophet knew within him the truth about the Bible and had no option but to say below :

Allah SWT said:

قُلْ يٰٓأَهْلَ الْكِتٰبِ لَسْتُمْ عَلٰى شَىْءٍ حَتّٰى تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرٰىةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ ۗ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ مَّآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ طُغْيٰنًا وَكُفْرًا ۖ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)

Since the Christians and the Jews did not take him as a prophet of God ,Muhammad resorted to violence and killings. He there4 formed his own religion with a book like the Bible which he called Quran .
That was the origin of your Quran and hadiths .

All those his revelations were nothing but fake revelations he googled to have his ways :

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

WHICH KIND OF ADOPTIVE FATHER IS THIS ?
TO HAVE HIS WAY , HE CAME UP WITH FAKE REVELATION .

No wonder Aisha said :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سَلاَمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ كَانَتْ خَوْلَةُ بِنْتُ حَكِيمٍ مِنَ اللاَّئِي وَهَبْنَ أَنْفُسَهُنَّ لِلنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ أَمَا تَسْتَحِي الْمَرْأَةُ أَنْ تَهَبَ نَفْسَهَا لِلرَّجُلِ فَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ ‏{‏تُرْجِئُ مَنْ تَشَاءُ مِنْهُنَّ‏}‏ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا أَرَى رَبَّكَ إِلاَّ يُسَارِعُ فِي هَوَاكَ‏.‏ رَوَاهُ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْمُؤَدِّبُ وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ وَعَبْدَةُ عَنْ هِشَامٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ يَزِيدُ بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ‏.‏
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

sagenaija:
Question: Why did the Hadiths date so late after Mohamed was supposed to have lived?
Question: How did over 600,000 stories about Mohamed come up and Bukhari went through them all and eventually certified over 7,000?
Why did he retain repeated hadiths?
Question: why do we have conflicting Hadiths?
Question: Why do we have Suni Hadiths showing one thing and Shiites an opposite position?
Why are Suni anti-Ali and Shiites pro-Ali?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

No Muslim will tell you why because these are embarrassing questions which can drag them into the holes .

That is not the solution . Banning the hadih and Quran is the solution .

advocatejare:
FatherOfJesus is only bringing curses on himself by adding to the word of God.

Revelation 22.18 - I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

You are a dead man living .

FatherOfJesus:
Jesus was bastard in Israel, born out of wedlock

Are you an Israelite ? The Israelites who knew him and knew the story behind his birth called him '' son of Joseph '' .

John 1:45 KJV
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Matthew 13:55 KJV
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Why didn't they call him , even once , a bastard ?

FatherOfJesus:
lol, Joseph not biological father. It’s not logical to say Jesus is from tribe of Judah

You are beclouded with evil ,that is why you can't think straight.

The only father Jesus had on earth was an adoptive father , Joseph , which was why he was from the tribe of Judah.

Legally , any adopted child bears the name of the adoptive father .

FatherOfJesus:
Mary was from the tribe of Levi
The Bible claims that Jesus is from the tribe of Judah and lineage of David.

This could not have been true because Joseph wasn’t the biological father of Jesus. It means that Jesus is not from the lineage of David and from the tribe of Judah as the Bible purports. This is a big error

He possibly had more of Levi blood than Judah in him. He’s a bastard by definition

Nonsense . You are an ignorant and agent of darkness .

Have you not read these :

Matthew 10:32 KJV
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before MY FATHER which is in heaven.

Matthew 11:27 KJV
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Because you don't know someone's father does not make him/ her a bastered , as long as the father does not deny him/her as his .

Mark 9:7 KJV
And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Rashduct4luv:
Where's the hole in this? And how is this a nonsense?

This hadith is more authentic than Jesus changing water to booze!

If your God can bless a wedding with booze and you didn't call that "nonsense" but this is nonsense to you?

Muslims are hypocrites .

Wine is forbidden for you on earth but not forbidden in your Paradise ?

Allah SWT said:

مَّثَلُ الْجَنَّةِ الَّتِى وُعِدَ الْمُتَّقُونَ ۖ فِيهَآ أَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ مَّآءٍ غَيْرِ ءَاسِنٍ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ لَّبَنٍ لَّمْ يَتَغَيَّرْ طَعْمُهُۥ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ خَمْرٍ لَّذَّةٍ لِّلشّٰرِبِينَ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ عَسَلٍ مُّصَفًّى ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ ۖ كَمَنْ هُوَ خٰلِدٌ فِى النَّارِ وَسُقُوا مَآءً حَمِيمًا فَقَطَّعَ أَمْعَآءَهُمْ
"Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?"
(QS. Muhammad 47: Verse 15)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Jesus can turn all the water of this world to wine which would not intoxicate .

But that story of a stone running away with Moses clothe is a fable meant for children to make then laugh .

The hole is that stones don't walk and since the hadith says the stone is still with the mark till this day , we need to ask Muhammad to produce the stone or tell us the location of the stone for verification .

MaxInDHouse:
My sister please don't listen to antagonists, they are everywhere and they just want to deprive you of timely spiritual food from God!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION has never mentioned any specific date regarding the end of wickedness!
Please think for a moment, if you're a contemporary of Jesus, you saw/heard John the baptist saying "repent for the kingdom of God is at hand" {Matthew 3:2} and after John was arrested and killed Jesus began saying exactly the same thing {Matthew 4:17} and performing great signs, whereas many prophets of God have been telling the Israelites how two prophets will come within the same period, what would you think?
Well after Jesus' death and resurrection his friends thought God's Kingdom will come immediately {Act 1:6} Jesus told them that they need not worry themselves about the times and season God's Kingdom will come! {Act 1:7}
But his followers keep speaking to people as if it will come in their own time {1Thessalonians 4:16} even with his grey hairs Apostle John got a Revelation from Jesus who has ascended to heaven almost 60 year past, when Jesus said "I AM COMING QUICKLY"
Please listen to John's response
"AMEN! COME LORD JESUS!" Revelations 22:20

Please tell me do you think John's response shows any sign of doubt? Definitely not! John was still eagerly anticipating the return of his Master, Lord and King with the greatest enthusiasm!

Well that's the spirit of those who are eagerly awaiting God's Kingdom, we keep proclaiming it until it's arrival {1Corinthians 11:26} So it's the unbelieving ridiculers that are complaining about what we keep preaching {2Peter 3:3-4} but we know it's not them that's saying all those stuff against us, it's Satan and his demons that's working on them in order that most of them may get tired of hearing about God's Kingdom and turn away from the message! 2Timothy:4:3-4

So don't let their ridicule confuse you, i've heard a lot of negative things about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES from critics when i was still a Muslim, but today wherever i speak about Jesus and his Kingdom with efficacy and directing my audience to the scriptures most people finds it difficult to believe that i was also preached to and taught by the same JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Many felt i was one of the founders, can you believe that i got baptized as one of them just recently?
Well that's the power of God's holy spirit, he promised that this helper will teach me how to answer when i'm questioned regarding my faith {Luke 12:12} and keep reminding me the fitting scriptures to back what the spirit asked me to say in reply! John 14:26

May you have PEACE!

I am a man not a woman .

There were publications of the Watch Tower Society regarding the end times in 1799 , 1874, 1878, 1881 , 1914 , 1918 ,1925 and 1975 .

These are known facts . Are you denying these failed prophecies were never given by your organisation and published for people to see ?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

We don't follow the crowd {Exodus 23:1-2 compared to Matthew 7:13-14} so it's not a matter of what the majority vote for!

FAITH is the assured expectation of what we're hoping for the evident demonstration of realities even when unbelievers can't see it coming! Hebrew 11:1

We walk by faith and not by sight {2Corinthians 5:7} Satan has always been in control of the majority {1John 5:19} and FAITH itself has always been the possession of few the few! 2Thessalonians 3:2

So if they refuse to accept the publications of my own teachers who am i to teach them? {1Corinthians 4:7} if anyone finds what i'm saying worthwhile and wants to learn, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in their area are ready to TEACH them {Matthew 28:20} but if not well it's a free world! 1Peter 3:15

God bless you!

I really didn't want to talk about the Christian group we belong to , but since you lay emphasis on
'' Jehovah witness '' , I would like to ask you this ;

Why did your leaders made predictions about the time the world was going to end , since we read the same Bible ?

MaxInDHouse:
Our father who is in the heavens let your kingdom (government) come let your will take place on the earth as it is in heaven! Matthew 6:9-10

Please let's keep our calm and wait patiently for his promises {Psalms 37:7-11, 34} he will never fail because he knows the best time to act! Habakkuk 2:3 compared to Micah 7:7

God bless you!

Amen , God bless you too .

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Education was never a part of Satan's system or plan. In fact Satan detests education from inception!
What Satan did was manipulating things to favor his own thinking.
The figurative tree of the knowledge of good and evil planted in the middle of the garden means God has arranged a training program to EDUCATE humans on how to distinguish between right and wrong! Genesis 2:9 compared to Hebrew 5:14
With this arrangement God will continue passing life saving counsel to mankind through Adam, note that all the necessary information in that garden was given to Adam before Eve was created {Genesis 2:15-21} so Adam must be the one who told Eve about the forbidden fruit that's why it was easy for Satan to deceive Eve {1Tiomthy 2:14} as she's not the one who received the instructions directly from God.

So God already planned for EDUCATION right from the onset what Satan did was to debunk God's educational arrangement by telling them not to continue with it but to establish their own, so that instead of receiving instructions from God and passing it to their children Adam and Eve will be the sole determinants of whatever will take place under them! Genesis 3:1-5

God sent Jesus to come and pay for the sin that's causing a blockage between man and God, and to restore that educational arrangement. That's why Jesus is called the Wonderful Counselor who will replace Adam. Isaiah 9:6
You'll notice how smart and highly intelligent those taught by Jesus became in the midst of Satan's students {Act 4:13} the Apostles were not eloquent in grammar or the deceptive educational system set up by Satan that's of no benefit! Jeremiah 10:23 compared to Isaiah 48:17-18

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Okay.

I would love to see other people's opinion. on this .

Why don't you open a new thread about whether Christians should participate in politics or not and let's hear what people will say.

Would you do that ?

MaxInDHouse:
Until God's kingdom comes we are helpless before Satan because he's much more intelligent and powerful than we do. Jesus' coming was to destroy the works of Satan in the sense that all Satan's tactics of ruling us will be unraveled and we can easily know when anyone is under the influence of Satan.

For your information, anytime you find someone agitating bitterly and profusely over the way others act or does something is gradually shifting to Satan's side! Remember Satan won Adam and Eve to his side by just one single trick "God has no right to rule over you since you're also intelligent yourselves knowing what's right and wrong" {Genesis 3:1-5} Note how Satan quickly dismissed the consequences of rebellion when Eve brought forward the repercussion of disobedience, Satan immediately said "you guys will not really die"

So God's children are to rely on God's time to act not protesting against what God allowed because that's tantamount to saying "God isn't doing the right thing" Satan has laid so much accusations against us If you allow me deal with them~
©none of them will obey you!
©they will curse you!
©they will blame and ridicule your decisions!
©they will act without waiting (trusting) you!
©they will ignore you and do whatever they like!
©they will like to prove wiser than you! Job 1:9-11

So for Jesus to have said "I do NOTHING out of my own initiative, whatever (God) ask me to do becomes paramount" John 5:19, 30, 8:28

If you truly believe in the son of God you will also think like him!

Okay , no problem .