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sonmvayina:
I have explained this to you before, nobody dies for anybody. It is tslking about a righteous servant. His days was prolonged, he had children..it cant be jesus remotely or otherwise..

The righteous servant is israel..

You are wrong , it is not Israel but Jacobu.

OP , pls read this prophecy written concerning Jesus' death about 900 years b4 he came :

Isaiah 53:7-12 KJV
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. [8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. [9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. [10] Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. [11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. [12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

sagenaija:
She talking about how rational it is.
But many issues in Islam defy rational thought and I wonder what she has done to resolve them.
Is Allah a spirit?
How come physical attributes are assigned to him?
Does he descend to the lower regions of the atmosphere to hear prayers? When he does is he still I his heaven?

When Moslems do not apply the yardstick they use for others to their own relithey only show themselves as being hypocrites.

Their prophet is demon possesed


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنِ الْعَبَّاسِ بْنِ ذَرِيحٍ، عَنِ الْبَهِيِّ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ عَثَرَ أُسَامَةُ بِعَتَبَةِ الْبَابِ فَشُجَّ فِي وَجْهِهِ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏‏ أَمِيطِي عَنْهُ الأَذَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَتَقَذَّرْتُهُ فَجَعَلَ يَمَصُّ عَنْهُ الدَّمَ وَيَمُجُّهُ عَنْ وَجْهِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ لَوْ كَانَ أُسَامَةُ جَارِيَةً لَحَلَّيْتُهُ وَكَسَوْتُهُ حَتَّى أُنَفِّقَهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏"

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"Usamah stumbled at the threshold of the door and cut his face. The Messenger of Allah said: 'Remove the harm (the blood) from him,' but I was repulsed by that. He started to suck the blood and remove it from his face, then he said: 'If Usamah were a girl, I would have adorned him and dressed him until I married him off."'

Da'if (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1976
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2052
Sunan Ibn Majah

Rashduct4luv:
Why all these lies without proof?

You want proof , they abound in your hadith's , just read them and see for yourself :

Example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏

‏ كَانَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ يَغْتَسِلُونَ عُرَاةً، يَنْظُرُ بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ، وَكَانَ مُوسَى يَغْتَسِلُ وَحْدَهُ، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا يَمْنَعُ مُوسَى أَنْ يَغْتَسِلَ مَعَنَا إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ آدَرُ، فَذَهَبَ مَرَّةً يَغْتَسِلُ، فَوَضَعَ ثَوْبَهُ عَلَى حَجَرٍ، فَفَرَّ الْحَجَرُ بِثَوْبِهِ، فَخَرَجَ مُوسَى فِي إِثْرِهِ يَقُولُ ثَوْبِي يَا حَجَرُ‏.‏ حَتَّى نَظَرَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ إِلَى مُوسَى، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا بِمُوسَى مِنْ بَأْسٍ‏.‏ وَأَخَذَ ثَوْبَهُ، فَطَفِقَ بِالْحَجَرِ ضَرْبًا ‏"

‏‏‏ فَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ وَاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَنَدَبٌ بِالْحَجَرِ سِتَّةٌ أَوْ سَبْعَةٌ ضَرْبًا بِالْحَجَرِ‏‏

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (ﷺ) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Sahih al-Bukhari 278
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 30
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THIS IS THE KIND OF NONSENSE HE GOT AS REVELATIONS AND YOU MUSLIMS BELIEVE SUCH A MAN .

Empiree:
These products of rape by bandits have started again

I'm not here to argue

Anyways, see your brother.....ire oooo

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5550101365014914&id=135140476511057

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions . Fools also are entitled to their opinions.

The bible is our guide and not opinions of fools .

And how does that seal the holes in the Quran and the hadith's ?

Was that the reason the Muslims had to burn the book of their god ?

Hunter2009:
Charity Commission Case: Maureen Badejo Lacks Every Form Of Integrity By Femi Oyewale



There is an old saying that sticks to the head of wise people, and that is, time tells it all and practically reveals the trutH. Just because you knew the actual nature of Dr D.k Olukoya and the MFM ministries that they hardly and seldom speak about press matters, you decided to connive with evil doers, ungrateful ex ministers, workers that were relieved of their duties, and those who left thinking that they have better understanding of running ministries, to propel lies and fabricate nonsense against the church and her General overseer. But like I said, I have made it my primary duty as an investigative journalist to reveal the truth and nothing but the truth.

Last week I brought you the family of D.k Olukoya in a video having a fellowship. This is a family that the deluded Maureen Badejo alleged to have been dissolved, forgetting that there is a place for JOURNALISTIC TRUTH. I bet she doesn’t know what that means.

This week I am here to reveal more of her ignorance, lies, and alleged fabrications, just for you to know the kind of person her sheepish followers are dealing with and I pray she will not lead them to hell or detail them from their place of God’s intervention.

My article for today is based on the true reflection and story of the famous CHARITY COMMISSION CASE, THE 150,000 POUNDS ALLEGATION, AND CLARITY ON THE AMERICAN JUDGMENT MATTER that Maureen Badejo has constantly misled her viewers with.

If you observe carefully, you will realize that MFM is a church of principles and order. During this pandemic, MFM HAS COMPLETELY ADHERED TO THE SAFETY RULES AND REGULATION PUT IN PLACE BY THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. One thing you cannot take away from DKO is OBEDIENCE.


THE TRUE NATURE OF THE CHARITY COMMISSION CASE

FROM OUR INVESTIGATIONS AND REPORTS REACHING US, we found out that several times, Dr. Olukoya has warned the Pastors in the UK not to get involved in or accept Gifts, Aids from the government of the United Kingdom.

Gift Aid, by the way, is a sum of money the Government gives back to you when you give to charity.

Dr Olukoya openly describes Gift Aid as earthly reward for giving to charity and has severally expressed his belief that such reward is unscriptural and against Church doctrine.






Unfortunately, the MFM-UK has always been a problematic section of the MFM. Being a disciplinarian, Dr. Olukoya has in the past taken drastic actions against erring workers in the Church and has been dragged to court numerous times by such workers.

HOWEVER, SOME PASTORS WENT BEHIND HIS BACK AND COLLUDED WITH THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR WHOSE NAME MFM SHOPPED FROM THE CHARITY COMMISSION’S WEBSITE WITH RAVE REVIEWS AND THEY TOOK GIFT AID OF ABOUT 1 MILLION POUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

The people who took the money admitted the fraud and have started paying back.

It took time to find out and report this incident BECAUSE THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR WAS INVOLVED; the matter WAS SUCCESSFULLY SHIELDED FROM TIMELY DISCOVERY, until a few years later. The matter was reported also to the Police.

A simple investigation by Maureen would have shown her THAT THE ALLEGED CULPRITS WERE TWO FORMER PASTORS, AND AN AUDITOR FROM THE CHARITY COMMISION (name withheld and can be produced upon request). These are the CULPRITS OF THE MATTER and not Dr Olukoya who had no hand at all in the matter as alleged by Maureen Badejo. AS A MATTER OF FACT, MFM IS THE VICTIM IN THIS MATTER. It was simply a case of FRAUD AGAINST MFM.

Suffice to say at this point, that Dr. Olukoya has in letters dated 15th and 16 August 2019 written to the Charity Commission to challenge the non-factual nature of the report written about him on their website. The Commission in a terse reply dated August 20th 2019 indicated that it would address that complaint.

It was interesting to know from our findings that Dr. Olukoya does not draw a salary and does not get involved with the financial activities of every branch of MFM. The rapid expansion of MFM in the UK was more of a difficult task to handle initially and this gave the Trustees some ample time to put structures in place quickly enough to ensure stringent control.

Another frivolous allegation thrown out there by the psychologically and mentally disturbed Maureen Badejo was the matter of 150,000 POUNDS ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN COLLECTED BY DR DK OLUKOYA FROM A CERTAIN MFM PASTOR to hide his atrocities.

From our investigation, this is a complete fabrication from the fevered minds of the defamer Maureen Badejo. Fortunately, all the people that took money illegally are still alive. The genesis of this allegation is that there was a lease of one of the branches in London which contained a clause that stipulated that any party who broke the Lease for any reason before its expiration would pay a penalty of 150,000 British Pounds to the other party.


We found out that the owner of the property broke the lease and sold the property to a third party, and the property owners honored their obligation and paid the penalty sum of 150,000 pound which the Pastor of the particular branch somehow used his personal account to claim. And this was unannounced

It was after a period of time that it was brought to the notice of the authorities at the Headquarters that such a transaction had taken place between the property owners and Pastor of the branch, and the headquarters immediately set up a panel to investigate the matter and give fair hearing to the Pastor concerned.

He attended the sitting of the panel and unequivocally admitted the theft. The Panel directed him to refund the money immediately. Upon receipt of the report of the Panel, the General Overseer issued the Pastor an ultimatum in writing to pay back the money within forty-eight (48) hours whereupon he promised to re-mortgage his house in London to comply. It was later brought to the attention of Dr. Olukoya that this ultimatum had not been breached by the Pastor who, on his own, began to repay the money by installments.

From the above narration, it is crystal clear to any unbiased mind that the money was stolen long before the Headquarters and Dr. Olukoya got to hear and that when they did, appropriate internal machineries were promptly put in place to investigate and recover it. And NO MONEY OF ANY KIND WAS PAID INTO DR DK OLUKOYA’S ACCOUNT THROUGH ANY MEANS OR BY ANY ONE. Maureen you and your cohorts need to get your heads examined.


THE AMERICAN MATTER AS MISINTERPRETED BY MARINE MAUREEN

I will quickly throw light on the AMERICAN CASE that has BEEN WON AND FORGOTTEN BY MFM. This ABYSMALLY misinterpreted by our illiterate "blogger" Maureen, TO THE PUBLIC. In our course of investigation after Maureen consistently accused the mountain of fire and miracles ministries of fraudulent acts on the case of pastor Lawrence Adetuniji on the taking over of the Maryland church in the USA, I will quickly want to do a brief summary of the matter.


MFM MINISTRIES filed action against pastor Adetunji who renamed MFM church after his own registered ministry. MFM MINISTRIES PUT IN TEN PRAYERS BEFORE THE JUDGE, INCLUDING ONE OF FRAUD. The Judge answered ALL the prayers but turned down the one we accused THE DEFENDANT of fraud, in order to further protect the personality of the individual involved in the case. But Miss Maureen misread this to mean that mfm is fraudulent. HOW DAFT AND DUNCE CAN SOMEONE'S BRAIN BE!

I would like to stop here today for I have more investigative journalism work to do, to bring the truth to you constantly. Maureen is on her Facebook page begging for funds for court cases meanwhile she doesn’t use their hard earned money for the cases. You can ask her to PROVIDE the names of her representatives whether she has any that make sense.

God bless you and reward you bountifully , in the name of Jesus.

Jashub:
I am now daft because I told you the truth? Typical answer from an online loser.

Peace

Am waiting for your answer

Rashduct4luv:
Why all these lies without proof?

Proof :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ شِهَابٍ، أَنَّ أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ، حَدَّثَهُ أَنَّ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنَ الْيَمَانِ قَدِمَ عَلَى عُثْمَانَ وَكَانَ يُغَازِي أَهْلَ الشَّأْمِ فِي فَتْحِ إِرْمِينِيَةَ وَأَذْرَبِيجَانَ مَعَ أَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ فَأَفْزَعَ حُذَيْفَةَ اخْتِلاَفُهُمْ فِي الْقِرَاءَةِ فَقَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ لِعُثْمَانَ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَدْرِكْ هَذِهِ الأُمَّةَ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْتَلِفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ اخْتِلاَفَ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى فَأَرْسَلَ عُثْمَانُ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ أَنْ أَرْسِلِي إِلَيْنَا بِالصُّحُفِ نَنْسَخُهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ ثُمَّ نَرُدُّهَا إِلَيْكِ فَأَرْسَلَتْ بِهَا حَفْصَةُ إِلَى عُثْمَانَ فَأَمَرَ زَيْدَ بْنَ ثَابِتٍ وَعَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ وَسَعِيدَ بْنَ الْعَاصِ وَعَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنَ الْحَارِثِ بْنِ هِشَامٍ فَنَسَخُوهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ وَقَالَ عُثْمَانُ لِلرَّهْطِ الْقُرَشِيِّينَ الثَّلاَثَةِ إِذَا اخْتَلَفْتُمْ أَنْتُمْ وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ فِي شَىْءٍ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فَاكْتُبُوهُ بِلِسَانِ قُرَيْشٍ فَإِنَّمَا نَزَلَ بِلِسَانِهِمْ فَفَعَلُوا حَتَّى إِذَا نَسَخُوا الصُّحُفَ فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ رَدَّ عُثْمَانُ الصُّحُفَ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ وَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى كُلِّ أُفُقٍ بِمُصْحَفٍ مِمَّا نَسَخُوا وَأَمَرَ بِمَا سِوَاهُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فِي كُلِّ صَحِيفَةٍ أَوْ مُصْحَفٍ أَنْ يُحْرَقَ‏.‏

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
In-book : Book 66, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

ALL QURANIC MATERIALS WERE BURNT TO HIDE THE LIES.

Next time ask for proof b4 any accusation .
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sagenaija:
Islamic Hadiths Have "Holes in the Narratives "
Who Were Islamic Traditional Writers?
Islamic traditions say everything happened in Mecca and Medina.
Yet, all of the writers of the traditions worked in Baghdad, which is 1,800 kilometres far north of these two places.

Ibn Hisham who wrote the sira is from Basra but grew up in Cairo.
Cairo to Mecca is 1,600km.
Basra to Mecca is 1,800km.

Al Bukhari who wrote hadith is from Bukhara.
Bukhara to Mecca is 4,200km.

Al Tabari who wrote Tafsir is from Tabaristan.
Tabaristan to Mecca is 2,800km.

None of the traditional writers LIVED or WORKED in Mecca or Medina.
Why is there no writer from the Hijaz?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

The Quran itself does not just contain holes but is a basket that can't hold any truth .

The first Quran was burnt to hide the lies .

Jashub:
Before we go further, do you agree that Bablyon I mentioned is a place?

Yes .

answer my questions

What is keeping you waiting , are you busy ?

Jashub:
Wrong analogy once again.

Jesus said, I am the way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me (Jesus). Now who is this Father Jesus kept talking about? The answer was found in John 14:9. Jesus directly said He was the Father, putting to rest the doubt of who the Identity of the Father was.


In the book of revelation, Jesus and God are protrayed with the names " the Alpha and Omega". The words Alpha and Omega meaning Beginning and end

P. S: The person sitting on that throne is still Jesus. Why do I say so? Because it is a revelation. Just like the harlot who represents Babylon is depicted as a Woman. But in reality, is Babylon a woman? No! She is a place! Another is the example is m the Lamb of God with seven eyes? Did Jesus have seven eyes? No! But all this is a revelation

You are receiving revelation inside revelations ?

That means Jesus is the speaker .

Why did Jesus Christ the speaker in that Revelation said this in :

Revelation 3:5,12,14,21 KJV
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. [12] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
[14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


There is no doubt that Jesus is the speaker in this book of revelation .

Why did Jesus said he has a God and he is sitting with his Father in His throne ?

Explain

Jashub:
I accept the Bible and its words. But what i do not accept if the foolish interpretations people give to scripture.

Why would you want me to accept that Jesus is not God Almighty when His name is basically what each and every believer prays in...? I have thrown my challenge to you and that joker(livingchrist) to pray in another name of God when battling with demons and see what becomes of you. Please do this and give me a feedback.



P. S: For your information, when you pray to something, that thing becomes your God. The Muslims who you criticize pray to Allah because they believe that Allah is their God. Haba! This is basic knowledge even idol worshippers know.

In a corporate organization , you can't get to the CEO without seeing the secretary.

Jesus said you can't get to the Father except through him.

Jesus is God Almighty , thus I know . But I want you to answer this :
Revelation 4:2-5 KJV
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. [3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. [4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. [5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Who is the speaker in the scriptures above ?

Jashub:
I am not a born again because I refused to argue with you? Bros, I that is the lowest level of shame you should hide yourself under.

Jesus is God. And if you are not satisfied with those verses of the bible that say so, then kindly tear them out of your bible. It is that simple.

A true Christian must be truthful in all things and be broken enough to admit fault and to take to corrections . But you don't want to admit the truth.

Secondly , I never said Jesus us not God. He is an Almighty God .
Jesus told us he is an Alpha and Omega , the beginning and the end . He also told us that he has a Father who is his God. Jesus said he is sitting right now at the right hand of his Father.

Simple . Why should someone say anything to the contrary ?

Accept the Bible as a whole and don't reject some and accept some parts .

Jashub:
Bros, I have already placed my challenge. Take it and come back and tell me the story.

Peace.

I can tell now that you are not a born again christian .

Every form of deceit is a sin. All this while you knew the truth but kept arguing for no reason.

You say there is contradictions in the Bible because you don't want to accept what is written therein.

You find it hard to say whether it was God the Father or not because you a not truthful.

Jashub:
For those who say Jesus is not your God, is it not written that those who call on the name of the Lord will be saved(Romans10:13)?

This day I challenge all hypocrites who say Jesus is not God Almighty to stop saying His name in prayer.

Start calling on the name of the Father or YHWH and see how the Devil will respond to you then come back and tell me the experience (that is if you will live to come back)


Peace.

Let me ask you this question from the scriptures below :

.Revelation 4:2-5 KJV
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
[3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
[4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
[5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. .

Who is the one sitting on the throne in the above scriptures ?

God the Father or God the Son ?

livingchrist:
Good, so God took counsel with himself as a plurality of persons right?
Does that not tell you that God is actually a plurality of persons?
Again, you read that the holy Spirit was there right? If the holy Spirit was just a manifestation of God that happened in the new testament how come he is also in the old testament?
Thirdly, Is the holy spirit a force or a person?

He is deliberately twisting the Scriptures to suit his argument. Which is very very unfortunate.

You have tried your best . Thank God he is a believer. When we get to heaven , we shall all rejoice when the truth shall be revealed to us all.

Karleb:
1000 years ago, all it takes to stop buying and selling is a simple decree.

Your facts are not right.


This fear is irrational.

Adeboye, Oyedepo, Zacheus and co have their own BVNs (chip). Don't tell me you are more righteous than they are.

How will a decree be effective when most of them were subsistence farmers ?

The difference between then and now is that you can survive and everyone can survive without buying and selling in those days but now most people can't because of the banking system .

sonofElElyon:
Sorry to burst your bubble but nothing in the Bible says that rapture will take place before the coming of the Antichrist!
There are 3 schools of thought regarding the time of the rapture:
1. Pre tribulation rapture
2. Mid tribulation rapture
3. Post tribulation rapture (also shared by Pastor David Ogbueli of Dominion City Church)
My take is that though it is highly desirable that rapture occurs before the tribulation, all christians should brace up and be prepared to remain faithful to Christ in case rapture is either 2 or 3 above.

God bless you too . All we need is to be prepared .

Karleb:
Thank God your favorite G. Os have the chips.


Christianity and gullibility suppose no be mixture.

Think and don't think you know more than anyone.

The phone , computer , internet network etc are means to get you trapped .

I ask , 1000 years ago , was there anyway a govt. can hinder anyone from buying and selling in a country without putting the person in prison ?

But it is possible nowadays .

This was what the Bible revealed 2000 years ago when banking was not existing.

All govt needs to do is to block your account , and you won't be able to buy or sell again.

IMAliyu:
Losing brain cells, reading through this.

This country has a lot of paranoid schizophrenics.

Your problem is that you don't want to think of what you have read .

In summary , the Bible said , 2000 years ago , that a time is coming when no one will have access to buy anything or sell anything unless they get the mark of the devil . This mark is like confessing to the devil that you are for him for life. And anyone who received the mark will for ever be tormented i n hell .

During the time of trade by barter when money was not devices , would you ever think anyone can hinder you from buyer or selling ?
After all you have your farm .

Think about this and make your comment.

stblessing:
We are DOOMED!!! So whats d essence of all the suffering and insults were passing through on earth then? when at the end of the day were all gonna be destroyed and have our darling future shattered. oh, i wish i had never been born into this vain world. D dead are even better of than us. Why did God create dis world when he blatantly knew that he would subject us,his own likeness nd image,2 much more suffering nd despair, greater than the one were already faced with. How am i supposed to knw where il spend eternity when im n angel today nd an unfortunate victim of d world tomorow? Hws the op of this thread so sure thatl he mk heaven anyways? Why does God hv 2 attach painful conditions 2 everything when he can jst mk al d sin go away? he destroyed d world once b4 nd instead of him 2 end al d sin frm dere,he now wants 2 punish me 4 a crime i didnt commit. I never asked 2 b a part of this generation lord,so what ur abt doing 2 me is unfair nd unjust! U say u love us so much bt stil wnt 2 destroy us. No wahala.

God is good , merciful :
Jeremiah 29:11 KJV
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

God did not cause all these troubles but Adam and Eve that decided to disobey the warning of God our Creator , caused it all .

It is possible for God to destroy the whole world but the consequence is that they ,the dead , will not be able to live a normal life again.

What I mean is that the righteous ones will die and remain inside the ground for eternity.

The only way out is for a fresh blood without sin of Adam to come and pay for the curse .

And the process was why God called Abraham generations to the time of Mary to cleanse and separate them from the pollution of the world for Christ to come and pay with his blood.

Now , God also tells us in His word that this very time is coming and we must not take that computer chips which shall be implanted in the hand or in the forehead . Taking it means signing for the devil and accepting the devil as your Lord and saviour.

The way out is be born again and be prayerful.

God will make a way for our escape , in Jesus name.

jaszplus12:
Can you explain 1 John 2;18, 22
1john4:3?
Then please clearly show me in the Bible where you find this RAPTURE you're talking about.
Expecting...

Ref. for the rapture is this :

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Answer to your request :
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1 John 2:18,22 KJV
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The Antichrist is the devil himself . The spirit of the devil is an Antichrist . When it has entered into people , they become part of the devil.

It is the spirit of the devil that teaches people that Jesus is not the Son of God and did not die on the Cross .
Such people go all out to antagonise and destroy the belief of people in Christ's saving grace on the cross .

The same explanations is applicable to the verse below :

1 John 4:3 KJV
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

atonement12:
Are you suggesting that Christians should do away with their own beliefs and rights inorder to please those other religions. To believe in Christ Jesus and His teachings is a choice to make, it is not by force...

Very good reply .

Which prophecy can be this accurate ?

Gospelpreacher1:
Read your Bible! The Bible has Every information you need to know. Open your Bible and Read. Don't assume irrelevant stuffs..

The Vaccine is not the Mark of the Beast!
The Bible didn't say that!
The Mark is not a chip! It's not an injection! It is the Number of a man..

Secondly the Mark of the Beast cannot come into play until the Lawless one is Revealed. He cannot be Revealed until the Saints are taken away in the Rapture!

What is Happening is conditiong the world for what is coming..

Having Said that, I don't advise anyone to take the Vaccine. As we are in a Wicked World and we are not careful of the devices of the devil.

Don't Deceive yourself! The Vaccine is not the Mark of the Beast.

If the mark is not a chip , what would it be ?

Ihedinobi3:
Hello

I think that the Scriptures are clear that the mark of the Beast is a tattoo, not any kind of chip. The use of the preposition "in" in the KJV is no proof at all that it is an insertion into the skin. Consider the following:

4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
Revelation 22:4 (KJV)

One can hardly say that God is going to insert a chip in our foreheads. This is just how King James English works. Other mainstream versions use "on" in place of "in." So I don't believe that there is any biblical reason to begin to panic about biometrics and vaccines, although we should certainly be careful what we allow anyone to put into our bodies, for our health's sake.

The mark of the Beast is going to be a very bold declaration of allegiance to the Antichrist. No one will be forced to take it and no one will take it by mistake. Many people will certainly take it out of fear, but everyone who takes the mark of the Beast will do so consciously, fully recognizing the choice that they are making in doing so.

As for the end being near, that is certainly true. It's almost fully 2000 years since the Lord Jesus died on the Cross for us. When the 2000 years are up, the Lord will return and resurrect His Church. The specific day and hour of this Return is unknown to us, of course, but the Bible does teach us not only that there will be 6000 years from Adam until the Return of Jesus Christ, but in fact it also gives us very precise information as to the time of year when this Return will occur. Of course, this is not an easy lesson to learn or an easy truth to believe, but the Scriptures bear it out for anyone willing to bother to listen. As the Lord Jesus said repeatedly both before the Cross and after, "let him that has ears hear."

Before that Return though, there will be seven years of Tribulation with the second half of that being a terrible time of intense persecution against the Church. In fact, this period serves as a major wake-up call for the generation of the Church that will live to see the Lord return. According to the prophecy in Revelation 3:14-22, that generation is a very spiritually lazy and spiritually arrogant one, so they will not be waiting earnestly for their Lord. They will lose their love for the Truth and attribute their material wealth and good fortune to their great faith when in fact they are spiritually impoverished. This is why the Lord "spews [them] out of his mouth" straight into the Tribulation, to force them to wake up.

One full third of their number will apostatize because they are so poorly prepared for the spiritual pressures of the Tribulation. Another third will be killed by the persecutions of the Antichrist. The last third will live to see the Lord return when the armies of the Antichrist have overrun Israel and are pressing to destroy Jerusalem and the third Temple that will be built by Moses and Elijah.

Those will be terrible times indeed. The Scriptures record consistent admonitions to the believers of all times that they ought to be alert so that they will not fall away from the faith due to a lack of preparation. Those who are likely to live through that time are admonished even more strongly by the Lord in Matthew 24 about this. We are that generation, the Laodicean Church. Our time is very near the end, scant years in fact. And we are the laziest church that has ever existed and the most arrogant one too. Very few of us even believe what the Scriptures are crystal clear about: that the Lord will only return to resurrect His Church after she has been tested by the reign of the Antichrist over the whole world, something that Paul took pains to clarify to the Thessalonians. Different theologians and wannabe pastors continue to pull all sorts of intellectual gymnastics to explain away very clear Scriptures rather than embrace this truth and get to work preparing for the very pressing times ahead of us. And very many Christians choose to believe them too, as if fearing the truth and wishing it away will change it.

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 (NKJV)

Compare the above to Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 19:19-20. The two passages put together say exactly the same thing that vv.3,8 above say. First, believers will throw their faith away, then the Antichrist will be revealed, then the Lord will appear and gather to Himself all those believers who remain loyal to Him no matter what they face, and finally He will destroy the Antichrist and everyone who has the mark of the Beast. This is a very straightforward rendering. But when people fear the truth, rather than receive it so that they are strengthened, they distort it and weaken themselves even more so that they become easy prey to Satan.

I could say much more than the above, but let what I have said suffice.

Grace be with all God's People.

Okay . Let's just beware and be prepared .

Gospelpreacher1:
You know the Gospel of Salvation is Foolishness to those that Perish.

These things sound as Nollywood scripts to many not until the Rapture happens and they come officially into effect.

The World Today is being Conditioned for these things but alas many are blinded by irrelevant things..

The RAPTURE is the Trigger! And anytime, Anyday it will Blast.

Then will those left behind know and Understand what they have done to themselves.

As for us! Let's keep Watching and Praying that we be accounted worthy to Appear before the JESUS Christ

Yes , just like the time of Noah , they never believed .

God bless you .

sonmvayina:
There is a way out...just drink snipper or otapiapia..so you can just go and meet the lord, i guess you have a relationship with him....or relocate to north korea, the anti christ will not near there, or he will be sent to one of those camps..

I know one tiny voice in your head is saying...the whole story might just be bull shit..

No murderer can make heaven
When you drink sniper or otapiapia , you have murdered yourself , you can't make heaven.

To you , anything true , righteous , of God to save souls are false . But the works of the devil , your master , is the truth.

I pity you because Satan will not be able to help when he and his followers shall be thrown into hell.

livingchrist:
The whole world is being conditioned to receive the antichrist but the antichrist cannot show up until the rapture takes place.

You are right . But who knows when the rapture would take place seeing that the signs of the end times are visible to us now.

The mark of the beast is at the corner .Everything to bring it to manifestation is perfected by the devil.

Revelation 13:16-17 KJV
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

During the time of this revelation 2000 years ago , people would have laughed and say '' how could that be possible'' .

They would have because there was no :
Banking system
No Internet ,
No computer system
No information about finger prints and retina being the best Biometric authentication and verification system.

The Bible tells us that the marks would either be planted in the hand or in the forehead . This mark would be in form of computer chips . It is
going to be Very small with all your data and secretly carrying the name or mark of the Devil.

Now we have the banking system , the computer, the internet through which everyone's data have been captured . What else remains ?

Some would call it technologies but God calls it end time periods for the manifestation of the Antichrist.

The danger is :
Revelation 14:9-11 KJV
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

THE BVN , NIN , ORACLE NUMBER , REGISTRATION OF PHONES etc are means to
ACHIEVE THIS .

What do we do ? As Christians we need to be born again and be expectant of the coming of our Lord Jesus and lastly , be prayerful .

The end is here .

Jashub:
Please do not get me wrong in all in this :

I am not arguing with the verses you quoted; on the contrary I accept them as God's word. But where I contend with you is on the explanation/interpretation of the whole picture the bible portrays of Jesus through scripture The verses you quoted do not give a complete picture because they do not correlate to the things Jesus said about Himself neither do they give a full definition of who Jesus really is . Which leave a gap that only the Holy Spirit can cover.

Now look let us compare some notes on the attributes of God and relate them to Jesus:


Questions and answers we would all agree on:



1. In whose name do people come together to pray? God's[b/]
2. Who presence is actually there when people come together to pray? God's
3. Who sends angels? God
4. To whom belong the elect?God
5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? God's
6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? God
7. Who comes from Heaven? God



Why do I claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? I did not invent this idea, no. Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over.

Let us see some answers from Jesus Himself

1. In whose name do people come together to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray]" Matthew 18:19,20


2. Who presence is actually there when people gather to pray? Jesus'
Jesus says, "For where two or three come together in my name
[to pray], there am I with them" Matthew 18:19, 20


3. Who sends angels? Jesus
Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out his angels" Matthew 13:41
Jesus says, "They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels"
Matthew 24:30,31 [also Mt. 16:27, 25:31]


4. To whom belong the elect? Jesus
Jesus says, "they will gather his elect from the four winds"
Matthew 24:30, 31


5. Whose presence is eternally with God's followers? Jesus'
Jesus says, "I will be with you always, to the very end of the age"
Matthew 28:20


6. Who is in Heaven and comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "No one has ever gone into Heaven except the one who
came from Heaven - the Son of Man" John 3:13


7. Who comes from Heaven? Jesus
Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from Heaven"
John 6:51
Jesus says, "I am from above. ... I am not of this world" John 8:23
Jesus says, "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am
leaving the world and going back to the Father" John 16:28

When you take part of the Bible and neglect the other means you are calling the Bible a liar .


LET US DO IT THIS WAY .

AS ME ONE QUESTION AT A TIME AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT , THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP BY STEP.


Your first question on whose name do people come together and pray ?

It is in Jesus name . Because we cannot go to the father except through the Son .

Matthew 18:19-20 KJV
Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of MY FATHER which is in heaven. [20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The fact that people pray in Jesus name and gathered in his and and he is their midst does not mean he does not have a Father in heaven.

Is the above scriptures not true?

John 5:26-27 KJV
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 15:1-2 KJV
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [2] Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Go and read Revelation 4& 5: to the end

There is God the Father who gave Jesus the power , authorities and Life as per the Bible.

A son is not above the father. The his Bible says '' This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased '' .

Pls, believe the whole bible and don't reject any verse or book of it .

Jashub:
Let me point out certain things that do not correlate in your post :


1. Your relation of Joseph and Pharaoh to Jesus and God is seriously off point because Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead (Colossian 2:9). So He cannot be two separate persons.


2. For a long time, Jesus spoke about His Father and His disciples being curious, wanted to know who this Father really was. So Jesus says, "I and the Father are one" John (10:30). Then one of the disciples(Philip) wanting to really know the identity of the father, then asked :

"Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.". Please notice the bold. He did not say image or presence ; he said SHOW.

Now Jesus answered, [b]"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"[/b]John 14:8, 9

Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God come in the flesh? Christians did not invent this idea, Jesus Himself is the one who makes this claim, over and over. Christians accept His Word. Those who disagree, disagree with Jesus and what He says.


Besides all this, God has even repeated it many times that He will not share His glory with another,and neither should worship be ascribed to any other other God. But in scripture, we see that Jesus is worshipped (Matthew28:17 and John20:28) and He does not rejects it.

Here is are more verses to prove the point for doubters :

If that of pharaoh and Joseph did not satisfy you , what about the 1st Corinthian 5 26-28 I whowed you ?

Was that written by me ?

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 KJV
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is EXCEPTED which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM , that God may be all in all.

The Revelation Jesus gave John tells us that Jesus is sitting by the right hand of God the Father.

Revelation 3:21 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


This does not mean that Jesus is not God . He is still God because he is our Creator whom God was talking to in Genesis :

Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God told Jesus , let us create man in our image .But after that the Bible ''God created man in his image ''.
Why not THEY OR GODS created man in their images ?
This is because , God the Father and God the Son are One . That is , all is for the Father since the Son does nothing of his own but for the Father.

A husband and wife are one does not mean they are not different people .


Jesus Christ is also the Alpha and Onega , the Almighty God like His Father who is Greater than His Son.

sonmvayina:
Lol..Marduk is the creator of heaven and earth according to the enuma elish. He is the lord God of the old testament.

https://www.ancient.eu/Marduk/#:~:text=Marduk%20was%20the%20patron%20god,storm%20god%20and%20agricultural%20deity.

Ole , ole ole ole , thief thief thief .

I bind that Maddog in the name of Jesus and command him to be tied to hell where he belongs , in Jesus' name .