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motayoayinde:
OK THOSE CHRISTIAN S WITH IDOLS IN THEIR CHURCHES ARE ALSO IDOL WORSHIPPERS. GOOD.

THIS MAKES MORE THAN 70 PERCENT OF CHRISTIANS IDOLATERS.

CATHOLICS AND ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS MAKE UP THIS STAGGERING NUMBER IN YOUR FAITH.

THIS FIGURE IN REAL TERMS IS WELL OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

WHY WASTE YOUR TIME IN VAIN OVER MUSLIMS WHO HAVE NO IDOLS IN THEIR MOSQUES WHEN BILLIONS OF YOUR PEOPLE WALLOW IN IDOL WORSHIP.
THIS IS APART FROM THE CANCER OF ATHEISM EATING UP YOUR RELIGION

THIS MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE AND AN ISLAMOPHOBE.

SPEND YOUR TIME TACKLING THE MYRIAD OF PROBLEMS THREATENING CHRISTIANDOM.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME.

You are actually right with regard to the percentage of idol worshippers in Christianity .To be frank , I think the percentage should be a little higher.

You don't have to call me names, after all , I told you the truth..Next time you ask why .

I don't bother about other Christians since they have the Bible with them.
I hardly argue with Christians since God will judge us by His word.

Jesus said :
Matthew 7:21 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

To buttress your point about the FEW CHRUSTUANS :

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait ( tiny ) gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait ( Tight ) is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

Christianity is about holiness unlike Islam :
1 Peter 3:12 KJV
For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Hebrews 12:14 KJV
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Every thing a Christian needs to know to make heaven is to read the Bible.

I am bothered more about Muslims because they are sincerely ignorantly following the wrong road .

Am telling you the truth.
All you need to do is ask your Creator to show you which one is the way.
Just try it tonight b4 bedtime.

motayoayinde:
THE BLACK STONE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OBJECT OF WORSHIP IN ISLAM.
THE HADITH OF UMAR THAT YOU QUOTED CONFIRMS THAT.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE WHO WORSHIP IDOLS VISIT THE HINDU TEMPLES, BHUDDIST TEMPLES AND MOST CHRISTIAN CHURCHES.
THERE YOU'LL FIND THEIR OBJECTS OF WORSHIP.
YOU'LL FIND NONE IN THE MOSQUES

NONE AROUND THE WORLD, THIS IS A CHALLENGE.

Do you know more than the Arabian ancestors who had been worshipping stones for ages ?

Are you saying the black stone was only implanted in the wall of the KAABAH for nothing? Why do people struggle to kiss it or point their hands to it when going round the KAABAH ?

You call that nothing ?

You claim the mosques do not contain any idol because you know little or nothing about Islam.

What about the crescent moon and the star symbols placed at the topmost part of the mosques ?
Is that not the symbol of Islam globally ?

Why ? Are you hearing for the first time that people worship the moon and the stars as their gods ?

God warned us against such but Allah did not warn the Muslims :

Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV
And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Is that not a sin b4 God to bow down to them as you do in mosques every day ?

I attend MFM , we don't have pictures or images of anyone there , because we know the commandments of God .

Some churches have them but not my church. Those that have them are also idol worshippers.

All Muhammad knew and wanted was sex and sex upon sex
Why ?

Hadith

Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw a woman, and so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them:

The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman, he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.

Sahih Muslim 1403 a
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 10
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3240  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

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Hadith

Someone gave him an award of SAW - SEX AWARD WINNER

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet (ﷺ) used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet (ﷺ) the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet (ﷺ) was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa`id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Sahih al-Bukhari 268
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 21
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 268  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

How and why you people should heep on believing salvation in Islam is worrisome.

May God deliver you all , in Jesus' name

AntiChristian:
Same reason Yahweh permitted fornication at the beginning of the Bible, then forbid it later only to permit it again and then forbid it.

Show proof

sagenaija:
Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.
As a result, Islam has used this to present varying positions of issues at any point in time to deceive people.

Antichristian and motayoayinde are doing the same thing here. How the adherents of this religion can live with the conflicting and contradictory positions of their religion really goes to show how gullible man can be.

The double faced nature of the religion should ordinarily be a red flag for anyone. But when an individual's nature aligns with such an ideology, he or she finds it easy to BUY the dummy of Islam hook line and sinker.

Why should Allah not have a clear position on issues? For example, Islam says that Allah is the only one to be believed in and no other BUT you cannot be a Moslem unless you also believe in Mohamed. So, to be a Moslem you MUST associate Mohamed with Allah. Yet this does not strike the average Moslem as odd.

Ask him if the previous prophets before Mohamed had to say a shahada that included Mohamed and he might agree that they didn't have to. Then why do we have to include Mohamed now? The answer now goes to "Allah knows best". They just don't know. They simply have to accept it no matter how illogical it is. That is Islam.

What is there to add ? You have really summarized their problems .

As you said , Muhammad is god in Islam :

Hadith

Narrated Abu Sa`id bin Al-Mu'alla:

While I was praying, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) passed me and called me, but I did not go to him until I had finished the prayer. Then I went to him, and he said, "What prevented you from coming to me? Didn't Allah say:-- "O you who believe! Answer the call of Allah (by obeying Him) and His Apostle when He calls you?" He then said, "I will inform you of the greatest Sura in the Qur'an before I leave (the mosque)." When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) got ready to leave (the mosque), I reminded him. He said, "It is: 'Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.' (i.e. Surat-al-Fatiha) As-sab'a Al-Mathani (the seven repeatedly recited Verses).

Sahih al-Bukhari
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 170
Arabic : Book 65, Hadith 4647
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith

Narrated Aws ibn Aws:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Sahih (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
In-book : Book 2, Hadith 658
English translation : Book 3, Hadith 1042
Abu Dawood

He was a real deceiver.

motayoayinde:
THE MEANING OF THE LAST HADITH YOU QUOTED IS THAT WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT DIE WORSHIPPING A MAN, WOOD OR STONE.

IF YOU DIE WORSHIPPING ALLAH ALONE WHO HAS NO PARTNER ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE, YOUR ABODE WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE GARDEN OF ETERNAL BLISS (paradise). YOUR SINS (whatever they may be), WILL ALSO BE FORGIVEN EVENTUALLY OUT

THERE ARE PROSTITUTES IN INDONESIA. BUT HAS INDONESIA LEGALIZED PROSTITUTION THE WAY YOUR FATHERS FROM EUROPE WHO BROUGHT YOU THE RELIGION HAVE?

READ THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED AGAIN, IT SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS CLOSING DOWN THE RED LIGHT AREAS, TRYING TO CURB THE MENACE.
YOUR PEOPLE ARE GIVING LIFE TO THEIR TRADE, MAKING FILMS OF IT, EXPORTING TO ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD FOR CASH, SOME OF WHICH THEY FUND THE "EVANGELICAL WORKS"
OF THIRD WORLD ZEALOTS LIKE YOU WITH.

You should just take your time and pray , not to Allah nor Jesus .
If you want to know what Allah is , just pray to your Creator without mentioning name of any God.

You said the hadith is about not worshipping anything beside God , isn't it :
What is the meaning of this :

Hadith

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith

Narrated Nafi`:

Ibn `Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka`ba (the Black Stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) touching them." I asked Nafi`: "Did Ibn `Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi` replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner Stone)."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1606
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 92
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 676  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this not about stone worshipping . This was the practice of the idolater b4 Muhammad which Islam maintains.

MUHAMMAD SAID TOUCHING OF STONES ERASES SINS :

Hadith

It was narrated from Abdullah bin Ubaid bin Umair that a man said:

"O Abu abdur-Rahman, why do I only see you touching these two corners?" He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' And I head him say: 'whoever circumambulates seven times, it is like freeing a slave.'"

Hasan (Darussalam)

Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
In-book : Book 24, Hadith 0
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 2922
Sunan an-Nasai

Is it not God that can forgive sins ? How can touching of stone make God to forgive you of your sins when you have not repented and forsake the sins ?.

THEIR LINEAGE WERE STONE WORSHIPPERS :

Hadith

Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Jesus and his Father are one . When you worship Jesus , you are worshipping the Father as well.

When you obey the vice president , you obey the president as one .

You can have access to God directly because of your sins. You must first be cleansed of your sins through the blood of Jesus Christ b4 God the Father can answer you.

1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

motayoayinde:
THE QUESTION ASKED BY THE OP IS SO....

THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK RATHER, IS WHY THESE COUNTRIES WHICH HAVE CHRISTIAN BACKGROUNDS, ARE THE ONES "OBEYING THE QURAN" AND LEGALIZING PROSTITUTION AND GAY MARRIAGE RATHER THAN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHERE PROSTITUTION IS OUTRIGHLY BANNED.

You just admitted that you are a GOON because the thread attracted you.
As for me , I am not one neither those who saw reason to deliberate on the issue since this is about where to spend your eternity.

As per you question ,
INDONESIA IS ONE OF THEM :


Indonesia is the largest Islam country in the world that has the biggest number of Muslims among other countries in the world. Hence this is the reason of the local governments, the governor of East Java Province and the mayor of Surabaya, to close the red-light areas. The purpose of this research is to know how the women became sex-workers in the biggest number of Muslims in the world. We observed and interviewed 20 informants of sex workers and former sex-workers; the Head of Local Health Center, NGO in those areas, and midwives. The data that had been collected were classified into themes. While being analyzed, the report was written and being classified. The results show that although the nation vows that every individual in this country has a religion, and mostly are Muslims, but prostitution is difficult to inhibit. We found many reasons that have made the women fell into the world of prostitution in this area of East Java. After the closing of the red-areas we found that they have secretly continue doing their job because they do not have other skills that can make as much as money that they earned as sex-workers. We conclude that the purpose to preserve a good religious environment by closing the red-areas cannot be realized. The closing of the red-areas has brought new problems because the spread of HIV/AID and sexually transmitted disease are more difficult to control.


Full Text: PDF DOI:10.5539/ass.v13n6p3

The god of the Quran approves of it , but the God of the Bible forbids it and forbids homosexuality .
Are these countries , you mentioned above , ruled by Bible or human made laws ?

Why would a holy God approves of adultery & said HE WANTS YOU TO COMMIT SINS INCLUDING ADULTERY ?

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"

‏ ‏‏

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ، أَخْبَرَنَا شُعْبَةُ، عَنْ حَبِيبِ بْنِ أَبِي ثَابِتٍ، وَعَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ بْنِ رُفَيْعٍ، وَالأَعْمَشِ، كُلُّهُمْ سَمِعُوا زَيْدَ بْنَ وَهْبٍ، عَنْ أَبِي ذَرٍّ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏‏ أَتَانِي جِبْرِيلُ فَبَشَّرَنِي فَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّهُ مَنْ مَاتَ لاَ يُشْرِكُ بِاللَّهِ شَيْئًا دَخَلَ الْجَنَّةَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قُلْتُ وَإِنْ زَنَى وَإِنْ سَرَقَ قَالَ ‏"‏ نَعَمْ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنْ أَبِي الدَّرْدَاءِ ‏.‏"

Narrated Abu Dharr:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Jibril came to me and gave me glad tidings, that whoever dies without associating anything with Allah, then he will enter Paradise. I said: "Even if he commits adultery and theft?" He said: "Yes."

Sahih (Darussalam)

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2644
In-book : Book 40, Hadith 39
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 38, Hadith 2644
Jamiat Tirmidhi

OpenYourEyes3:
Bump... . . .

The title of your thread should have been '' CAN FALSE PROPHETS PERFORM GENUINE MIRACLES ?

YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY WHICH KIND OF MIRACLES.

The truth is , they can perform miracles to decieve people .

AntiChristian:
You haven't finish one argument. Don't run away to another! You have to answer this questions. At least the temporary marriage was abrogated. And it was at a time when the state was in transition.


Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.

2. How did they know the virgins from the non-virgins?

3.So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

4. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?

5. In Genesis 38, The Lord killed Onan for wasting sex cell and refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife?

Is this fornication or adultery too from the LORD? Or was it just a temporary law?

6. Why did the Lord kill Onan above but spared his father who slept with his son's wife impregnating her?

Lastly, Allah knows all things and has written them since His knowledge encompasses all things.

Isn't your Lord all knowing? Does He know all that will happen? And by Him all things happen.

I doubt if you even read your books wholistically!

You lack spiritual and simple earthly understanding .

Stop digressing . The Biblical account you gave is not about prostitution neither is it an act of wickedness . Vengiance is not act of wickedness :
Numbers 31:1-2 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [2] AVENGE the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

Your god knows nothing and he is powerless and evil. Allah did not create anything.

You claim you Allah knows all things . Why couldn't he exonerate Muhammad when he was accused of stealing :

Allah SWT said:

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَنْ يَغُلَّ ۚ وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيٰمَةِ ۚ ثُمَّ تُوَفّٰى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ
"It is not [attributable] to any prophet that he would act unfaithfully [in regard to war booty]. And whoever betrays, [taking unlawfully], will come with what he took on the Day of Resurrection. Then will every soul be [fully] compensated for what it earned, and they will not be wronged."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 161)

THE ALL KNOWING GOD IS JEHOVAH NOT allah ;

But the God that knows all things and could divide an ocean ( the Red Sea ) because He is the Creator revealed a thief to Joshua when something was stolen :

Joshua 7:22-23 KJV
So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran unto the tent; and, behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. [23] And they took them out of the midst of the tent, and brought them unto Joshua, and unto all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the Lord.


I don't want you to stylishly digress from issue of prostitution .
You cannot see it anywhere in the Bible where our God approved of adultery not to talk of PROSTITUTIONS .

YOU god IS A FILTHY GOD WHO WANTS YOU TO SIN AND TAKE YOU TO HELL .

Op , don't go to court . It might take like 6 years to get justice.

The Lagos state govt has set up a mediation centre where issues like this at resolved.
The agreement reached at the mediation centre is binding and quickly executed.

This was what I used against the Redeemed Church.

birchwood:
If I give a fake testimony that subsequently draws more people to Christ, does that still make it a sin? or is it an exception? Because I read that, there's no such thing as a big sin or a small sin, that a sin is a sin.

This is a big sin because eventually you might end in HELL :

Revelation 21:8 KJV
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Preciousgirl:
Are there believers who pray in other names?

Yes , there are .
The white garments churches pray in the names of angels.

Fahdiga1:
How can someone be slamming his head kpoi kpoi on the ground and be claiming to worship Allah. that Allah must be enjoying the noise of their head hitting on the ground

You are on point.
The funny thing is , they are very comfortable with it and wouldn't reason with facts .

Orjioorji:
They are idols worshipers.Devil sent his only begotten son ( Mohammed ) to come form his own religion after Christ Jesus had Christians

Why don't go into comedy , am sure you would be world star .

He is God because he is the Son of God.

1 John 4:9 KJV
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.


John 15:16 KJV
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 14:13-14 KJV
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I pray in Jesus' name.

Hadith


حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي مَرْيَمَ، أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي زَيْدُ بْنُ أَسْلَمَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، أَنَّ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ لِلرُّكْنِ أَمَا وَاللَّهِ إِنِّي لأَعْلَمُ أَنَّكَ حَجَرٌ لاَ تَضُرُّ وَلاَ تَنْفَعُ، وَلَوْلاَ أَنِّي رَأَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم اسْتَلَمَكَ مَا اسْتَلَمْتُكَ‏.‏ فَاسْتَلَمَهُ، ثُمَّ قَالَ فَمَا لَنَا وَلِلرَّمَلِ إِنَّمَا كُنَّا رَاءَيْنَا بِهِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ، وَقَدْ أَهْلَكَهُمُ اللَّهُ‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَالَ شَىْءٌ صَنَعَهُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَلاَ نُحِبُّ أَنْ نَتْرُكَهُ‏.‏

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ قَالَ مَا تَرَكْتُ اسْتِلاَمَ هَذَيْنِ الرُّكْنَيْنِ فِي شِدَّةٍ وَلاَ رَخَاءٍ، مُنْذُ رَأَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَسْتَلِمُهُمَا‏.‏ قُلْتُ لِنَافِعٍ أَكَانَ ابْنُ عُمَرَ يَمْشِي بَيْنَ الرُّكْنَيْنِ قَالَ إِنَّمَا كَانَ يَمْشِي لِيَكُونَ أَيْسَرَ لاِسْتِلاَمِهِ‏.‏

Narrated Nafi`:

Ibn `Umar. said, "I have never missed the touching of these two stones of Ka`ba (the Black Stone and the Yemenite Corner) both in the presence and the absence of crowds, since I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) touching them." I asked Nafi`: "Did Ibn `Umar use to walk between the two Corners?" Nafi` replied, "He used to walk in order that it might be easy for him to touch it (the Corner Stone)."

Sahih al-Bukhari 1606
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 92
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 676  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith


حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، أَحْمَدُ بْنُ شُعَيْبٍ مِنْ لَفْظِهِ قَالَ أَنْبَأَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادٌ، عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ عُمَيْرٍ، أَنَّ رَجُلاً، قَالَ يَا أَبَا عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ مَا أَرَاكَ تَسْتَلِمُ إِلاَّ هَذَيْنِ الرُّكْنَيْنِ قَالَ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏‏ إِنَّ مَسْحَهُمَا يَحُطَّانِ الْخَطِيئَةَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ وَسَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ ‏"‏ مَنْ طَافَ سَبْعًا فَهُوَ كَعِدْلِ رَقَبَةٍ ‏"‏ ‏.‏"


It was narrated from Abdullah bin Ubaid bin Umair that a man said:

"O Abu abdur-Rahman, why do I only see you touching these two corners?" He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' And I head him say: 'whoever circumambulates seven times, it is like freeing a slave.'"

Hasan (Darussalam)

Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
In-book : Book 24, Hadith 0
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 24, Hadith 2922
Sunan an-Nasai


FINALLY :
Hadith



حَدَّثَنَا الصَّلْتُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ مَهْدِيَّ بْنَ مَيْمُونٍ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا رَجَاءٍ الْعُطَارِدِيَّ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَعْبُدُ الْحَجَرَ، فَإِذَا وَجَدْنَا حَجَرًا هُوَ أَخْيَرُ مِنْهُ أَلْقَيْنَاهُ وَأَخَذْنَا الآخَرَ، فَإِذَا لَمْ نَجِدْ حَجَرًا جَمَعْنَا جُثْوَةً مِنْ تُرَابٍ، ثُمَّ جِئْنَا بِالشَّاةِ فَحَلَبْنَاهُ عَلَيْهِ، ثُمَّ طُفْنَا بِهِ، فَإِذَا دَخَلَ شَهْرُ رَجَبٍ قُلْنَا مُنَصِّلُ الأَسِنَّةِ‏.‏ فَلاَ نَدَعُ رُمْحًا فِيهِ حَدِيدَةٌ وَلاَ سَهْمًا فِيهِ حَدِيدَةٌ إِلاَّ نَزَعْنَاهُ وَأَلْقَيْنَاهُ شَهْرَ رَجَبٍ‏.‏ وَسَمِعْتُ أَبَا رَجَاءٍ، يَقُولُ كُنْتُ يَوْمَ بُعِثَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم غُلاَمًا أَرْعَى الإِبِلَ عَلَى أَهْلِي، فَلَمَّا سَمِعْنَا بِخُرُوجِهِ فَرَرْنَا إِلَى النَّارِ إِلَى مُسَيْلِمَةَ الْكَذَّابِ‏.‏


Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet (ﷺ) sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.


Sahih al-Bukhari 4376, 4377
In-book : Book 64, Hadith 401
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 661  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari


ONE GOD ONE STONE .

NO WONDER ALL MOSQUES MUST FACE THE DIRECTION OF THE KAABAH AND ALL WORSHIPPERS MUST BOW TO IT.

GOD IS IN HEAVEN , WHY FACING KAABAH ?
WHY GOING ROUND IT 7 TIMES WHEN ON HADJ ?

PLS , DON'T ALLOW THE DEVIL TO DECEIVE YOU . WHEN YOU DIE AS AN IDOL WORSHIPPER , YOU WILL BE PUNISHED IN HELL FOR EVER AND EVER.

AntiChristian:
1.Yeah it's far worse than prostitution. Your LORD ordered a real massacre (unlike the false Lekki one) and they killed all males young and old and all females old and young who were non-virgins. Only the virgins were spared by the LORD for the warriors.
So what do have to say to this vis a vis Boko Haram vs Chibok girls?

2. And what about Ruth's seduction in the Bible?




You gave it that name. It was never called by that. Even the hadith you quoted below mentioned "Temporary marriage".



You see how you exposed your ignorance now? Or can we say you purposely brought these lies to impugn Islam?
Anyways, you are an ignoramus liar!

With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted.

It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1407.

One Hadith is not read in Isolation....as there can be other reports on the same matter.

Your question in bold is another lie. I gave ahadith where the Prophet forbade temporary marriage before.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”
Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

You are deceiving yourself .

What is mut' ah ? How is that different from adultery ?

They needed women to sleep with for some days , they gave them gift and had sex with them.
Is that marriage ? Is there anything like temporary marriage , in the right sense of marriage.
What happens if it results into pregnancy?Would you call the child a temporary child?

It is only in Islam we would find such nonsense.
If it was good , why was it cancelled ?
Why is Allah always abrogating surah and changing like chameleon ?

Why did Allah approve hadiths ? Did he not know there would be diff opinions or testimonies ?
I am sure he is not an all knowing god.

How did I lie when I quoted something from a SAHIH Hadith ?

Who is an ignorant now ?
I think I know why :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنْ جَعْفَرٍ الْجَزَرِيِّ، عَنْ يَزِيدَ بْنِ الأَصَمِّ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَوْ لَمْ تُذْنِبُوا لَذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِكُمْ وَلَجَاءَ بِقَوْمٍ يُذْنِبُونَ فَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ اللَّهَ فَيَغْفِرُ لَهُمْ ‏"


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:

By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

Sahih Muslim 2749
In-book : Book 50, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 37, Hadith 6622  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

THIS MEANS , IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT IF YOU COMMIT ADULTERY , SINCE ALLAH HAS FIXED IT FOR YOU FROM HEAVEN B4 YOU WERE CREATED.

IS THIS GOD OR SATAN ?

THINK AND STOP ARGUING

AntiChristian:
Allah is not a God that would send part of Himself or Himself to be born as a man passing through a human's birth canal, suckling milk and being protected by humans. Allah is far above all these. Glory Be to Him.

Allah grants favor to whomever He wills and those permission where only for those companions at that time.



Yeah it was!

Numbers 31: 17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

And I remember the seductive story of Ruth in the Bible. This story is good moral booster for your female folks!



...My Lord is neither unaware nor He forgets. Qur'an 20:52



Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is the Wakil (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.
Qur'an 39:62

Pls , be reasonable . The account of Number 31 you quoted above does not relate to an act of adultery and prostitutions.

Did you say in your second paragraph above, that Allah granted the followers of Muhammad permission to indulge in prostitutions ?

If your answer is ''yes'' , why couldn't you say so from the onset ?
This means am right.

But the question you need to ask yourself is ,how can this be from a HOLY GOD ?

You need to check this out :

Hadith



حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَسْتَمْتِعُ بِالْقُبْضَةِ مِنَ التَّمْرِ وَالدَّقِيقِ الأَيَّامَ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ حَتَّى نَهَى عَنْهُ عُمَرُ فِي شَأْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ حُرَيْثٍ ‏.‏



Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:

We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.


Sahih Muslim 1405 d
In-book : Book 16, Hadith 19
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 8, Hadith 3249  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

WHO GAVE UMAR THE AUTHORITY TO CANCEL WHAT ALLAH DID NOT ASK MUHAMMAD TO FORBIDE ?

Is this not a sin against Allah and Muhammad ?

Sodiquinone:
I can see you are really pained,since the prophet of bible did nt preach islam,can u tell me what they preached

They preached Holiness and the coming of the messiah ( Jesus Christ ) and not worshipping of Idol by kissing the black stone . They did not preach violence.


حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي مَرْيَمَ، أَخْبَرَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ جَعْفَرٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي زَيْدُ بْنُ أَسْلَمَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، أَنَّ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ قَالَ لِلرُّكْنِ أَمَا وَاللَّهِ إِنِّي لأَعْلَمُ أَنَّكَ حَجَرٌ لاَ تَضُرُّ وَلاَ تَنْفَعُ، وَلَوْلاَ أَنِّي رَأَيْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم اسْتَلَمَكَ مَا اسْتَلَمْتُكَ‏.‏ فَاسْتَلَمَهُ، ثُمَّ قَالَ فَمَا لَنَا وَلِلرَّمَلِ إِنَّمَا كُنَّا رَاءَيْنَا بِهِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ، وَقَدْ أَهْلَكَهُمُ اللَّهُ‏.‏ ثُمَّ قَالَ شَىْءٌ صَنَعَهُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَلاَ نُحِبُّ أَنْ نَتْرُكَهُ‏.‏



Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"`Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (ﷺ) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' `Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet (ﷺ) did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'



Sahih al-Bukhari 1605
In-book : Book 25, Hadith 91
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 26, Hadith 675  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

FatherOfJesus:
Lol, you are not sure about anything. You are also being scammmed

Scammed by who ?

Inkopere:
Hello nairalanders,

I'm beginning to think that church is scam, may God have mercy on me if what I'm thinking is wrong but, I just got back from a Thanksgiving Sunday, everything is so discouraging, how can they ask for money, money, money and don't give back to society.

For example if you meet them for financial assistance they will say hope on the Lord and they will pray for you, but when they need, they will collect from members, I don't understand.

When I was a teenager (though it was white garment church) you will see as they will cook for everyone and even share items, buying and selling of items, it was fun and everyone was happy, but these days Pentecostal it's all about " bring your tithe, bring your vow, bring your seed, bring your salary, bring your gold, " please I need some encouragement to continue coz it's becoming annoying, I thought giving should come from the heart, this one now is forceful giving, please house what is the way forward.


No insults, matured response please

It is the original that needs to be adulterated not fake.

There are few genuine Christian churches , you need to pray and be vigilant.

Try Deeper Life and MFM . At least am sure of those two.

Camelot65:
Their allah is a god of abrogation , plus their god forgets what he says in one verse and says a different thing in another verse

Lol, The guy you're quoting doesn't even understand his own books and wants to talk about the Bible

anytime an embarrassing atrocity of Muhammad is mentioned, they run to the Bible to justify it and always get dissapointed

You are right , my friend.

The Bible says '' thou shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free'' .
That's the reason I respond ,most tines , to Muslim debates.

They need to be aware of the truth regarding Islam and Christianity.

They don't know they are actually worshipping
Satan .

May God save the souls of those who wants to know the truth , in Jesus name.

MuttleyLaff:
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Stop laughing at your prophet . His followers can get you killed o. And I will tell them I did not send you , period.

AntiChristian:
The basic principle concerning marriage is that it should be ongoing and permanent. Temporary marriage – i.e., mut’ah marriage – was permitted at the beginning of Islam, then it was abrogated and became haraam until the Day of Judgement.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

Why would God permit prostitution at first and then change his mind ?
Was it not forbidden for the Israelites about 2300 years b4 Muhammad ?
Was Allah that forgetful ?

Allah is not your Creator , but an Arabian god of the ancestors of Muhammad.

AntiChristian:
Yahweh permitted slavery and you're talking about Jesus!

Common get out jare!

Slavery but not prostitution.

God also compel the slave owners to free them after seven years of servitudes.

That is justice

AntiChristian:
You don't even understand the settings of the verse and you're already crucifying yourself? As is usual from Christians, pick one verse, join a hadith and malign Islam without thinking!

Allaah Says (what means): {But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allaah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation by purchasing their freedom from their owners for a price agreed upon] from among whom your right hands possess — then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allaah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allaah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.}[Quran 24:33]

The above verse is an order from Allaah to whoever is not able to marry to abstain from illegal sexual relations, like the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: "O young people, whoever is able to marry should marry, and whoever is not able to do so, he should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual desires." Then the verse advised those who own slaves to make a contract with those slaves who seek such a contract to pay money in order to emancipate themselves.

However, it is not permissible for a woman to commit Zina (adultery or fornication) whether she is a slave woman or a free woman, and it is not permissible for her master to allow her to do so; rather, he is obliged to prevent her from committing Zina according to his ability. This verse was revealed to clarify what used to happen at that time as some hypocrites, like ‘Abdullaah ibn Ubay ibn Salool, used to compel their slave girls to commit Zina so that they would bring them some money, so the verse prohibited them from doing so.

The condition of desiring chastity in the verse is mentioned because it corresponds to the state of being compelled to do so and this is the case in which desiring chastely often exists, because if a slave girl does that out of her own will, then she does not need to be compelled to do that in principle, and this meaning is mentioned by Ibn Al-‘Arabi may Allaah have mercy upon him in his book entitled “Ahkaam Al-Quran” (The Rulings of the Quran).

Allaah Knows best.

What right does a slave has ? Talkless of wanting to prostitute herself in her master's home .

The verse says don't compel them and if you decides to compel them , Allah will forgive you.

That is , Allah will forgive you should you compel them to go into prostitution because you needed money , period.

Angelnath:
it is highly possican. Choping 32 different woman legally without being accused. Greatest joy ever.

Don't try it o , na bondage.

Raysleek:
There you go, one way thinking.

I want to know the other way.

Angelnath:
no be pesin get 32 wives. 4 is not enough jare

You are very correct .
But is it possible to enjoy 32 wives for good 5 years and not end in the Hospital ?

Raysleek:
Good question but you might be a hypocrite if you think there is only one way to know.

You can't know unless you go there , or is there any other way ?

Angelnath:
Anyway na way if them no do am how alhaji go take see them

Alhaji can marry 4 wives ke , is that not enough?

Raysleek:
Are you trying to say that's why During fasting asawo house dey empty.

How did you know that ?