₦airaland Forum

guntranno:
Why do you seems so aggressive?

I told you I buy fuel @ N87... You shld av asked your question of where before you start calling sm1 a Lair.

To make it clear, I reside in Abuja not Sautyeast nor sautsaut...

ABJ abi, let us wait and hear from ABJ people, we will confirm

ba7man:
What do I stand to gain by lying?


I just bought fuel in my car for N87 and we were even laughing at the filling station for putting up the sign indicating cost.

what state and what area

DaBullIT:
i buy petrol not kerosene

ahah Dem go soon ask you howmuch you buy black oil too

ocelot2006:
How long was the TAM project? Doesn't it takes a MINIMUM of 18 months, hence our reliance on imports? And why won't marketers hold us hostage during those months when people like you and the then opposition shot down GEJ'S decision to fully halt the fuel subsidy? Remember the #OccupyNaija movement? Or have you also conveniently "forgotten" like the rest?

Leave them, they have fish memories,Now this govt is empowering the importers oK,this shows no clear cut to understanding the nations need

DaBullIT:
Goats


Work is ongoing in the refineries , nobody said it is operational , i think it was announced that it would be operational by end of August / September

and What if it's not , You are not happy that fuel now sells for 87 naira and its available everywhere??

Enemies of Progress

Hmm on going Ok, but U just decide to add end of september? ok we shall see, thi thing is, when you put a date on something, it shall surly come to pass however if you dont get ur act togather the date will come and go and project wont come and go
# we de look Unu frm hilltop

ahah This is no news in the Uk so they canot paint Nigeria with same brush, the fact is, even if she went to the hospital with her real name to deliver the child, they will still admit her,Im only sorry for those whose names have been dragged into this scam as they now face uncertainty as regards fraud.However they cant deport her now cos her child now has a british passport by default.
PS.Some 9ja people frm certain areas Embarassing Nigeria since 1945

ahah realy??

Kachisbarbie:
This is fallacy of the highest order. Personally I don't preach early/late marriage. Even though I married pretty young.

Let me give you the advantages of girls in their early twenties.
1: Women age faster than men, elites marrying young girls isn't just because they have the resources to. They know this fact.

2: Early marriage isn't a guarantee for early birth rate, but medically it's safer to have your kids early. It's also safer financially and physically too. You wouldn't like to raise your kids with pension_ will you?

3: Maturity isn't a function of age. Marriage/relationships on it's own bestows this compulsory maturity on you. Except your case is critical.

4: Who said ladies in their late 20s are more financially independent? With all the age restriction on jobs? I don't think so

5: Based on experience, older ladies are even more aggressive, don't think their meek nature is natural_ more often than not_ it is SITUATIONAL... unlike a young girl that you might nurture_ who would owe most/all of her life experience to you.

6: Ladies in their early 20s never pressurise you into marriage. Unlike the ones in their 30s. Under 2weeks_ they ask you Where are we headed? Zuma rock...lols.

I can go on and on...

if you check most men on here do not agree with you on the age thing so if you was 22 today and men where seking you lost out here
ladies early 20s and not well off, majority of them are still in school or looking for work
the character of a woman stays with her from her household, a man can never mould a woman for marriage
marriage does need maturity and maturity has to do with i ndividual expiriences so with this idealogy you must agree with me the more you expore the more expirience the more matured you become.
You are still more than attached to your family in early 20s.

enitey:
Number 4 is on point

why would you say that?

Beamborla:
What happened to 'catch them young'

I don't even know where to start from. I bet you've never heard that age is not maturity.

Your tittle i have no problem with. Your opening sentence is just not it.

It's very funny how people reason

The Op sadly is right, the days of catch them young is long gone,no one wants libility in all its episodes,I think most men these days want a woman with foundation so he can lay his base there in order to build on if you get waht I mean.

989900:
That works for the 'small-timer's.

OTOH, it's 100 times easier to transport say DPK for example, over a 100km journey from any point X to Y, than it is to transport crude; easier to sell by far too . . . you know that right?

About the refineries, KD refinery @90% would save the country $5.33m(N1b)/day I think roughly same goes for Warri . . . PH 1&2 could save more. All in all, with relatively stable electricity, our imports could be reduced by as much as 75% actually more if bunkering (Cotonou and others) are checked.

Lets be honest, you seriously think noone in the north would think of just pumping th Oil into tankers accross our porus borders to sell abroad eh? especialy when %70 of the wells are owned by them the Northernerse?, i n another news, which have most environmental effect when spill occurs petrol or crude?I know about the saving eversiged but thats optimistic and a mare speculation,its on paper in reality it might not be the case cos all is not perffect in Nigeria we are not matured to plan for a pefect 2morrows outcome yet.About the Electricity we all know the problem but some groups are bent on sabotaging it.the previous govt built power station let the gas flow in.No one can steal gas but the pipe line is being vandalized by we know who.

Icecomrade:
This is bad news for
Those customers who doesn't want to subscribe to Internet an Mobile banking. Let's see where you get cash to pay for everything.

Those shop owners who feels they do banks favor by taking free POS for their own transactions. Am very sure they will be scrambling to banks now begging for POS machines.

Those banks who thought e-banking is a good reason to deplete staff strength. Throw people into labour market. Behold crowd in your banking hall.

spot on

nijanigga:
They're a bigots and ignorant like their ogogoro master.

I think either you and anulaxad are kids of the 80s or are rather ignorant or blinded by ethnic bigotry,Im from the Niger Delta and know my history very well,PMB built no refinaries, where do you guys get this rubish from? election has come and gone here you are still baking in the lies politicians flungged to you this is taking it Hook n Sinker
igerian first Refinery, Port Harcourt Refinery located at Alesa Eleme, was built by Shell Petroleum and British Petroleum from 1963 to 1965. The company operates two oil refineries including an old plant commissioned in 1965 that can process 60,000 barrels of oil per stream day and the new plant commissioned in 1989, which has a capacity of 150,000 bpsd.

Buhari Joined the army as a recruit in 1962 and for sure will not have built this Refinery.

The Warri Refinery was awarded by Yakubu Gowon to Snamprogetti Spa Milan, Italy in 1975 (in this period, Buhari was the governor of North-eastern state) at the cost of $478 million and commenced operation in 1978 (now few months as Petroleum Minister). It had the design capacity of 100,000 b/d.
The Kaduna Refinery was awarded by Murtala Mohammed in 1976 and was built by Chiyoda Engineering and Construction Company – a Japanese firm, at the cost of $525 million and was completed by Obasanjo in 1979 (Buhari’s tenure as the Petroleum. Minister ended in 1978).
It had two refining streams (50,000 b/d fuels units) and (50,000 b/d lubes, waxes Asphalt plants).
Port Harcourt 11 as we mentioned above was awarded by Gen IBB in 1985 with an installed capacity of 150,000 b/d and completed in 1989.
Meanwhile in 1985, IBB undertook an expansion of the capacities of the fuels units in both Warri and Kaduna refineries to 125,000b/d and 110,000b/d respectively. He therefore added 185,000b/d capacity to the total 445,000b/d as at 1989. No further addition has been added till date.
So, when did Buhari build the four refineries?

segcymoor:
Mobilisation of steel formwork

progress is sweet, I see you have migrated from planks to steel form works,I pray you get proper scaffolding plus boards to do your casting ASAP IJN

989900:
Sagamu and Ibadan depots serve most western states, would you compare Sagamu to Warri (roughly 100km) vs say Warri to Katsina (roughly 1000km)?

Have you factored in pipeline vandalism with refined products easier to sell of at any point between say PH and Kaduna vs trying to tap crude at say Kogi/Abuja and selling it off/transporting the crude back to the Atlantic for sale?

Ok I take it you aint from teh Delta hence you don't know, selling off of crude is far more profitable these days as people now have refineries in their back garden, you really think they need to go to the high seas?do you know what the term BLACK OIL means? ask guys who are into tanker movement that you will be chocked.stealing of petrol is more difficult than stealing of crude ,if you k now about crude oil flow lines you will realize these vandals target the pre flow stations not after,you canot temper the main trunk line with the aim of stealing crude,the pressure after the flow station is what you cannot comprehend,you will die on i mpact..Anyways in other news with al this initial gra gra how much are we going to save if the Ph and warri Refineries start operations in full? no one is saying anything about that yet are they?

segcymoor:
we didn't use mesh but reinforcement
I will definitely send the pictures when the concrete is cure

Ok dont mind me I was referring to knitting of rebar as mesh , gladly waiting

VolturiLord:
Let's get something straight. Nigerians didn't vote for APC per se. Or rather lemme not be too quick to generalise. I personally didn't support the APC party, because truth being told, it's full of people who simply jumped overboard from a doomed and sinking ship to one under full sail. We supported a beacon on integrity in the midst of blatant greed and sanctioned corruption. We supported somebody that we could say would not fall prey to manipulations and pressure. Someone who could rise above it all and maybe deliver the promises made during the campaigns. The integrity of PMB bolstered APC's presidential aspirations. So I would definitely say this is a thing of the person (Buhari) and not the party.

I wil take your word with a pinch of salt, reason sited would be *Like you I wont generalize, Nigerians do vote on tribal and regional basis.If i go by waht you are saying then we should hold PMB to account in service delivery as per election campaign and promises.now haven said that, how long do you think would be too long on him to deliver on his promise of =N=5000 for undergraduates without jobs?would the degree which you hold him in high integrity decrease?

VolturiLord:
See, let's stop deceiving ourselves. Goodluck Jonathan was in power for 6 good years, during which the country was crap. And it was because of the crappy state of the Nation we vote him out. Now, we have a new president and things are getting better. At least I can buy fish and put in my fridge with having to boil it first and you still wanna ascribe this things to GEJ?

If he was really the one that worked on the refineries and worked on power and all the others things, how come he couldn't do it in time to save his own skin and presidential seat.

Abeg brother.... think about this logically. Personally I don't feel the need to shout "Sai Baba" anytime I see things like this. I just bask in the fact that things are finally looking up and pray they get even better.

This is getting very annoying. Anything mildly political on NL is immediately pounced upon by camps trying to give accolades to this or that past or present president. It's high time we grow up folks.

Things are looking up, enjoy it...... don't be stuck in a quagmire of self righteous ridiculousness.

I agree with you to some xtent but lets be honest, where were we with power during the OBJ era 8 years lest we 4get,so would this be a thing of the party or the person, to me I would say it was the party rather teh person cos if PMB came under PDP he would have lost the election still cos people where tired of PDP don't you agree?

sademola:
What's this 'thing' saying?

me I tire sef

ionsman:
Buhari approved 160 naira to a dollar for Christian pilgrims. ..

Now, he has cancelled government delegation to hajj(muslims).

This is the same man that is a tribal bigot.

This is the same man that wants to islamise Nigeria.

TANoids are legendary idiots. ....

See how you just brought in religion in a very vine way,this is the mentality of a deviated mind, what you said about Christians has no govt bearings,does not concern any govt office holder who is a christian so what the connection? if I dare ask?

989900:
LoL . . . exactly what I expected . . . so you'd rather transport refined products via pipelines up North to over 12 states from PH or Warri, rather than transport crude to one refinery for further distribution, which is by far safer in all ramifications?

yes, the main products needed to the man on the street is petrol,kerosine and Diesel.take away any sense of tribalism, how do you think Lagos will get their petrol, Ogun,Ondo, cos from last I checked, they had no refineries.I think the tank farms would be a good Idea, its what the westerners use to save cost.even in Europe the Russians piped gas and other products to diff countries

agabusta:
It is u that is missing the point. How can u say there is no clear economic gain in siting a refinery in the North? Well u have said it that the economic gain is not clear to u anyways.

So u want the entire North as vast as that to rely solely on transportation of products by tankers and pipes? And for your information, the Kaduna refinery is also designed to be able to refine other crude types different from only that of Nigeria.

So because London does not have a refinery now means a refinery in Kaduna is an error? That is an unreasonable analogy. What similarities does Kaduna and London have? Lagos get refinery?

London is one of D most busiest city in the world, it has 3x the amount of petrol need than the whole of Nigeria, do you know the daily petrol and diesel consumption per day of petrol there?Now lets get back to the basics,do you know how much it cost to pump crude up north?have you checked teh cost of building these flow stations that pressurize the crude into these trunk main lines?Ask anyone in the Energy field don't just take my word for it ask very well they will tell you refining of any product is cost effective when close to source, its a basic principle of mining or extraction of any sort minerals from mother earth.lets go into the American experience, why did they leave the vast amount of oil reserves until just now answer, the source was far from the refinery so it would have been less cost effective for them to extract crude, the product would be more expensive so THEY IMPORTED CRUDE Instead.Now they manage to make the refineries close to source via means of fracking alas the began extraction.I think Nigerians put too much emphasis on tribalism and regions of belonging we forget the issue of saving cost.When you spend money to transfer crude up North, the cost of production up there would be more than the refineries in the south now in a free market do you think the true cost of petrol will be same in teh north and in the south, wont the only way to make the final cost same be introducing subsidy? would that not be back to square one? and if they decide to sell of the refineries who in their right mind would want to buy it? cos the pry production cost would be extremely high.

989900:
How would you rather refined products get to the north?

Pipe line should be made to transfer product there, there is such word as deport and tank farms.The thing is when it comes to crude everybody thinks they are entitled to it,to be hones people in the south realy wish it never existed except for the few who cling to large chunk of its benefits to their selfish banks accounts.

agabusta:
It is u that needs to re-learn, do u think it is only one factor that is considered in siting an industry/factory??

Only one factor?! Only closeness to raw-material?? Cmon! Think outside d box. There are many factors to be considered.

You are right, closeness to raw-material is one of them. But, get this into ur head, it's just one of the factors.

This refinery is not purely and solely a capitalist oriented project. This is where u seem to be getting it wrong. At the long run, the socio-economic advantage that it give Nigeria from its operations, especially the North, will knock off the high cost of bringing raw-materials to it.

Some of u peeps fail to realise that a boat that sinks at one side will eventually sink the whole boat. As much as possible, socio-economic development must be given a spread in the country.

As regards your reference to raw-materials and industries. There are many food processing factories in Ogun and Lag, that relies on supply from the north.

I think you are missing the point here, waht that guy said was right, there was no clear economical gains to a refinery to be sited in the North.The pry function of that refinery should be cracking not fractional distillation.Take the UK as case sturdy they have 13 refineries, non in London, why do you think they never built any refinery in London?

kcsystems:
Hahaha.....ha, sure we did four local rabbit was hunted down. Sorry none for u since u ask late

haba, DERIS GOD OO000o

spyder880:
Almost completed, my men are there this morning to supply some needed materials like cement. Doors will then be dressed as we complete all electrical work on the gate man house.

nice one.

see who wan get Bele by force

Demdem:

U obviously didn't understand what I presented no doubt. Who is talking about expenditure? Who is talking about savings? Where did u get that crap from? Before expenditure comes income.
I am saying that within this two months, income to the federation account has increased despite the fact that oil price which is our core income source is at an all time low. This mean that the states now have more access to funds from the centre.
Whether they choose to spend it or not as alleged by u as no bearing whatsoever to the fact that those monies that are normally stolen from other income sources before getting to FAAC don't get stolen again.

You obviously did not understand waht I wrote up there, you still are using the term Income which you are asking me about who said income.I was talking about external reserve there,it will def increase without expenditure do you get where I'm from now,that part concerns us more in diaspora for the backing of the £ and $ transactions cant you see where I'm coming from?

Abugab:
What do you know?
The harmonization of all payments by MDAs into a single account dates back to OBJ and predates GEJ as it wasn't entirely his idea.
The concern of every Nigerian has been the implementation which lack of has given room to various people siphoning government money to personal use and otherwise. It is best practice to ascertain how much money you have first before going on a spending spree and this hasn't been the case.
The difference here is that with the way Buhari has started, this could be a reality and Nigeria/Nigerians will be better for it including you.
Throw away your partisanship as I do not have any issue with GEJ and stop using foul language because you don't know the other person.

what should be made known was the implementation was done with last govt, teh result is what you see now end off, is this so hard to understand?? if the govt propose and implement a certain policy, it might take up toa year for it to actualize cos there needs to be certain framework to put in place.To be honest, I realy do care who doeas what, as far as the economy works then yeh, thats waht the govt of the day owes us Nigerians.This new govt are poised to publicize and politicalize everything even things not worth boasting with they will put it in pictures and in all headlines.

Demdem:

Show me the benefits of the previous govt if indeed their instructions were followed? I showed u benefits of this govt within two months of her existence.
Are u interested in mere words or seeing the benefits for the betterment of the people?
That the old govt gave the instructions isn't in doubt. Infact, that they gave it more than once in its life cycle is noted however that it wasn't complied with is an undisputed fact because nothing suggest especially in terms of improved income despite high oil prices that it was obeyed.
That is a huge difference between now and then.

I have one question for you to quench this speculation of income, if you stay two months without capital expenditure ofcos you will save millions of $s, there has been no major project, nothing has been said regards power generation, we need more power plant corruption can only be halted with technology and tech needs power, wont that be the right way to go?

hey hows this project going, waht stage are we now?

Demdem:

Below is proof. Do u still need more?

you are still on the old news about who instigated this project,what that page you copied o nly shows was the benefit not compliance,I stand to be corrected.Also, its was quoting an interview by Oshe baba who we knew where his loyalty lays,don't get me wrong i can see positives in this,my take is we should move from blaming the past and creat new ways to solve our problems cos trust me we have loads.The past govt ordered all the MDAs to close their accounts, this was not done by PMB,so if you are basing you praise of this outcome on PMB then you must agree with me that your assumptions where flawed my friend, don't you agree?