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frosbel:
Kindly describe how a virgin birth ( without sex or IVF ) can occur from a purely biological standpoint.

thanks.

The likelihood is close to 0
but I think it is possible

Once again, let me walk through an uninformed theorethical narrative:

Women give birth because a sperm sticks to an egg. the fusion of both of this forms life.
The fusion starts dividing and dividing (called growth) which soon sticks to the womb.

Now imagine a fatal radioactive exposure allows the egg to mutate , change structure into the XY male genetics and start dividing.

After all, it is possible for one to clone creatures from a single cell.

Maybe that is why it is said that when Mary asked, "how can this be?" Gabriel the angel told Mary, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you"

So this could be where her egg was tampered with and mutated to form a male child

lastmessenger:
....... I am personally convinced that you don't need a bible to know God and Jesus Christ because during nascist regim in Romania men knew God even without reading bible .

Excellent observation

wirinet:
There is nothing like virgin birth. A virgin can never give birth. For a virgin to give birth would mean the resulting baby would have only 23 chromosones (a female egg has only 23 chromosomes. The funniest aspect is that the baby (jesus in this case) is a man. That means jesus has the XY chromosome, now where did Jesus get the Y chromosome, which is found only in male?

The virgin birth myth had been in existence from the dawn of history to signify great men, especially very power kings. Such men are attributed devine origin as to connote they are half god and half men. They are said to be a union between a diety or god and an earthly woman.

From my uninformed thinking....
A virgin can give birth whether you chose to view it scientifically or spiritually
After all, this whole complex universal system is scientifically said to have come about by the statistical improbability of a big bang.
It is possible but highly unlikely for X or Y chromosomes to mutate, one to the other, or to a new structure entirely
after all, don't some exist who can neither be properly defined as solely male or female.

The question is not if virgin births can occur. It is if it actually happened

Calculia

the title of your thread as little to do with its content
stop being rogue

neither do you provide a link to the context in which Soyinka spoke

yabatech is not burning
wrong use of english

its like saying lagos is burning because a building in yabatech which is located in lagos is burning
you then go further to say, Nigeria is burning, or Africa is burning

the correct expression is that a building in Yabatech is on fire

You guys force the news of your church men on us
to make their ministry grow
at first we are reluctant to pay them any attention
but when we start getting interested and scrutinizing them to pick the logs from their eyes
una pastor just like Chris go tok say we dey tok him matter because na great man when we dey jealous

una go come they attack us for criticizing una MOG
after they've strongly and purposely courted publicity

...una well done ooo

papa needs fresh milk

1stCitizen:
WikiLeaks
The Global Intelligence Files,
5543061
emails released so far


[Africa] Nigeria -- Jonathan can't control Patience, accusations of corruption
Released on 2013-06-16 00:00 GMT

Email-ID 2359276
Date 2011-09-07 16:23:51
From mark.schroeder@stratfor.com
To africa@stratfor.com
First Lady Patience Jonathan "runs her own show and the husband has
little or no control over her," a U.S, cable leaked by Wikileaks has
said, stressing that she has a more forceful personality than the husband.

Related, I've heard that both of them and their elite supporters are
always on the look out for business deals to get involved in.

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=2359276

You guys really, really need to be careful with the way you think though information

It's definitely not a top Western diplomat that made this comment.
Unlike us, they do not think in terms of men CONTROLING women

Also, wikileaks does not always equate to America or credibility
It's like Forbes carrying an article where I am quoted as saying "Jonathan is the richest man in Africa"
And then you carry your big head come here come say that "Forbe says Jonathan is the richest man in Africa"

koife:
I have noticed with a bit of pains that prayer works
on people and not me!

I have had the opportunity to pray and intercede for
people and it comes out positive, but one surprising
fact
is that I hardly get answers when I pray for
myself...

It all started during my degree years; I will teach and even help people during examination but often time their result comes out better than mine.

Fast forward to 2days ago. I prayed for someone who was
koboless, to have a surprise gift to the tune of
hundred
of thousands for a project she scrambled for. Less
than 56 hours later, she got it.

I personally dropped someone's CV to be considered for
bank job and less than 20hours letter the person
received a call for interview.

And today I prayed and
my kid sis was given a visa....where as I have tried
severally without succeeding.

This, amongst other
bizzare
experiences have become a cause for concern.

Matured advice only please!

If you pray for others and it works for them, but not yourself, then you probably have the gift of the prophet
So simply do what other prophets do
...ask those you you pray for to bring gifts to you

make I add scripture join

remember when Moses cried out for help
God asked him what was in his hands?

Charting new courses for success

Probably,
the curse unto the 4th generation of unbelievers na im dey make some new followers become extreme sheep
while the blessings unto the 4th generation of believers na im dey make scale fall for our eyes

So while those whose family tree have only just recently encountered Christ and Chritianity
and are easilly excited by anything proceeding from their MOG's
We smile, knowing full well that we could equally and easily be these MOG's if we feel motivated to be that
We know for sure that if we chose to take on this MOG toga, all the blessings accrued from our Christian generations before us
can easilly be appropriated to us and our children thereafter as they new believers bring in their harvests


But since we've not chosen such a path, we are content to follow a different religiuos path that forces the blessings down now
For example, investing our money for the future of our kids so that they do not have empty pockets when they lay their hands on our grand children to bless them

..shalom

Outsourcing blessings

As our parents retired from career and business due to their age
and as they sent us into the world with little or no money (because they had none to give)
they began to bless us with strange blessings

"My pikin, may God wipe away our tears of suffering and make your life better than ours"
"Amen" we said and set out into the world

We soon began to marry and give birth to kids ourselves
After a hard day's job we look at these kids just like our parents looked at us and then also outsource the blessings to them
"My pikin, may your life be better than ours. May God grant you wealth so that you do not go through horrible bosses like I have gone through"

The scale falls out of our eyes at different times in this life's journey
It is said that madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result
We the children of the religious have seen it all... we've paid our dues
What we've now got is a spirit of discernment
We might not know what works, but we know what doesn't work

Spot the difference?

Some of our 'giving' parents progressed financially with time
Antagonists would debunk this claim and argue that someone at end of his career should be better than what he was at the start of his career
We the children of the very religious (or as some would say -spiritual) noticed that although our parents progressed or retrogressed,
Papa Rashid, who never attended church and was a know womaniser was more financially bouyant

At first, when we asked pastor in Sunday school, he would argue that we were yet to see the end of papa rashids life compared to that of our parents
Soon pastor became bolder and declared that even if God has assured you of blessings, if you do not make financial sacrifices to that blessing, wrath could turn against you
You never can tell how much sacrifice papa Rashid had been making to his secret Chi


We bought into all of this, and just like our parents we gave and gave
Some of us manageably progressed alright, but so did Papa Rashids kids who were just like their dad
We closed our eyes to this.

The rise of mega pastors

As the economic pressures of SAP bit
A number of our parents gradually moved away from the orthodox christianity of their days whose emphasis was not on money but on suffering

They began to embrace this new type of charismatic christianity which promised them heaven here on earth
at first, it started with a caveat of the need for our parents to serve God more in order to access these blessings
'Serving God more" essentially meant helping the church leaders build well structured and large churches
Our parents generation were very happy to do this because it involved actually spending their time working for the church and envangelizing

Soon, the Charismatic pastors began to push further.
They saw biblical revelations that pointed to the need for our parents to give in order to get wealthy and escape the poverty happily dished out by military dictators
These pastors brought folks to the pulpits who gave testimonies that tied their giving to their stumbling on money
None was brought to testify on how they gave but did not receive

Our parents generation grudgingly but surely began to losen the grip on their purses
and in the proces birthed the first wave of wealthy preachers
In the instances where members cried out that it did not work, the pastors tagged them as 'lacking faith' in receiving despite 'having faith in giving'
umhhhhh

From father to son

It is often said that the children of very religious folks end up less religious than their parents
Have you ever wondered why?

Those of us who first opened our eyes from the oblivion of mothers womb to meet the starring and smiling faces of xtian believers
as they rained on us thousands of blessings would understand why we are a breed that tends to be less religious.

what manner of warships are these?
they look more like fishing boats if you ask me

@ruuudboy
no one has the right to hit the other
whether na man or woman

sit her down now before the next incident ever occurs and firmly tell her that if this happens again it would be taken seriously
if it does occur again, record the event and show it to her family,... not yours yet.
Calmly tell her family to call her to order

if it progresses further, report her to your pastors wife
If after that it occurs yet again
then learn to lock her up in a room, instead of yourself and start working on a process for separation from her or sleeping out

Sleeping out will get to her seriously

justwise:
You really need to stop attending night school and do some home reading, when does sham marriage becomes legally binding marriage? Which system legalized it? A marriage was deemed illegal by UK law and you are here writing pages of theories.

Put on you thinking hat dude, and let go of the emotions ok

A marriage is entered into some records.
That record has to be expunged for you to be considered not married.

The question remains.
Has the records been expunged?
Has it been re-recorded as never happened, or ceased from happening forthwith?

The next line of reasoning becomes what view do other sovereigns have of this marriage record or 'illegality'.

This is the kind of gap that the OP should explore


As for your inference on night schools..
what does that have to do with the topic? Does it make you feel good throwing such around?

Stick to the reason for the thread please...ok

justwise:
Read well before you give people wrong adverse, sham marriage is illegal and its a crime.

I am not a lawyer, and neither are you I suspect.

My argument is premised on this logic:
1) two people enter into a legal binding marriage contract >> 2)The system determines that this marriage was intended to get unfair access to the goodies of the system>> 3) the system goes ahead to block the privileges that could be got from this marriage contract.

Question/Idea 1)
Although the system has activated logic 2 and 3, was the marriage at Logic 1 annulled, i.e deemed to have never existed in the eyes of EU law or has there been a legal divorce?

If it is still legally deemed that they are married then it comes with some universal privileges whether na sham or not. Depending on the region, such privileges can be switched on. Look at the article on sham marriage and you would see how tricky it is. I doubt if anyone as actually challenged it. Maybe because rich folks who can challenge it don't need to follow that route.
Some old men get married to young ladies so that they can have carers. While the young ladies are after inheritance.


Question/Idea 2)
The OP was told to sign a document.
He does not say that he was taking before a court of law. It is possible that in the document, he decided to wave some privileges that the marriage would have got him in exchange for some soft landing.
So what would make sense is to review what soft landings were granted him. Not all data is shared even within the UK just like that.

Idea 3)
I narrated a case were someone was banned from travelling to the UK for 10 years for what the UK deemed as a crime -falsification of document
I'm not praising the person for doing this. However the person travelled to the US recently and might be relocating to Canada soon
I am aware that the person wasn't quick to write a narrative to the US embassy of how she was banned from travelling to the UK



What suggestions do you have to share? Do you rather we stone him to death

@Ikebesupa

I am aware of a lady who while in nigeria was banned for 10yrs from travelling to the uk
her boyfriend who was then in the UK had to relocate back to nigeria
they are now married, and she recently travelled to the US for a visit without any issues


my bad advice to you is for you to gradually and carefully test the waters
you probably were not deported in the real sense of the word, neither were you convicted
so, i see no reason why you should offer more information than neccessary
also, you are still legally married to that lady if i am not mistaken (i only read the 1st page of your thread)
try to confirm this from the authorities

you probably should try travelling to her country as a first step

my mum and dad have always had separate rooms.
mums room was always accessible to us, but had little or no financial value
my dads room,..... well, mum secured it like a bullion van

Lesson's Learnt

Till date, I hear that driver's voice warning me.
Sometimes when I try to do good or a fulfil a christian virtue, I spend some fraction of time thinking of who my 'good' could possibly hurt

What about you?
1) You dey plan to carry belle for that man wen say im never ready to marry or born pikin.
...You hurting an unborn child and the daddy

2) You say you want to glorify God, and happily paste unverified videos of healing on youtube which suggests that HIV comes from not paying first fruit offerings and that one become HIV-proof when he pays such offerings.
...You end up hurting ignorant folks who are deceived to think that paying tithes and offerings is the new condom

3) You don't want your wife to 'suffer'. So you persuade her not to work. And now there you are unable to take care of her and the kids.
...You're doing great damage to your kid's confidence amongst their peers

4) You are upset that GEJ a southerner usurped your rotation agreement. So you started a fire in your own house that you and Jonathan cannot now quench
...You're doing a great damage to your youths that might last for many generations to come

5) You give your kids everything they ask for and restrain from disciplining them.
....you're hurting their ability to survive in the real world when they come of age

6) To safeguard your president from ariel attacks in the airport. You ensure that 10's of planes are hovering around not granted permission to land.
...You're putting the lives of 100's at risk

the dawning

Back home, It struck me what the guy meant, and the implication of what I did
In the express unlike normal inter town roads, you can't come to a halt just like that
..it is extremely dangerous

In my attempt at trying to be good to another driver, I had put the precious life of my dad's son (na me be that ) at risk
I had also put the life of others using the express road behind me at risk.

Milk of human kindness

My music box was booming loud, and my smile was as etched on my face as that of the Joker in Batman movie
As I dey blow dey go,
I saw a car afar of trafficating its intention to enter the express road from the feeder road where it was

...Now, read this carefully

On the one hand, I felt like doing the normal blocking the car from entry unto my path on the express
on the other hand, I felt like being a kind xtian. The kindness took control
So I slowed down almost to a complete halt to let the car come unto the express.

The driver of the car got unto the express and waved to me gratefully as he sped off.
I waved back thinking how I had done a good deed

Within seconds of this event, a car behind me horned noisily indicating that it wanted to overtake
Still in a good mood I gave way for the car to overtake me.
When the driver pulled close to me so that I could see his face just acrross me
He shouted out to me but in a very kind and understanding tone:

"Dem no dey do kindness 'brake' for express road"

He continued past me.

He's statement confused me for a long while

Like a fly attracted to burning light

Although my dad had warned me not to ever drive on the Express abi na High way road
I soon found it irresistible to avoid it especially as I could cut out a lot of traffic in the inner city road fi I use the Express

On this particular day, I carefully inched past my dad's office area
which was located in the inner city, but close to the express.
glancing at all side mirrors to check that I had not been spotted by any of his overzealous staff
I soon navigated unto the express and started my journey

Starting my motoring career

I was an old teenager when my dad finally allowed me to drive solo
the cars that were earmarked for me were the two notoriously aged and unattractive ones
the only thing sound about them was that with a little tap on the engines
the cars would easily rev back to live
even if they had spent a 100 years buried undisturbed in a dungeon

An added advantage of the cars was that some small girls wen prefer small boys were not entirely put off by the cars
after all, we no plenty wen be dey drive motto at that age

I'll tell a little story and then give the lessons learnt

The preacher says

I was watching the other day some behavior among Hindus who are a part of what’s called the Kundalini cult, the Kundalini cult. They have certain body movements that appear to be perhaps best explained by demon possession. And they’re the absolutely identical body movements to people in the charismatic movement in the extreme behaviors that we see in so-called revivals. This is paganism. This is the work of Satan. This is the work of the kingdom of darkness, and it is not to be attributed to the Holy Spirit.

It's like saying that because an armed robber looked a certain way, anyone who has such looks is an armed robber

uhmmm
as a minimum, this bit is certainly not sound reasoning.

zeroshadow:
All SW states are welcoming to all ethnic groups and foreigners

I think I agree with you

It's news like this that makes me wonder why the hell APC ever imagined fielding a muslim-muslim ticket
and why in God's name did some "we-don't-care-about religion-in-Yoruba-land" advocates not see the glaring flaw in such a proposition.

Here, you have an enlightened man in charge of MURIC who might have possibly been a part of the "we-don't-care-about religion-in-Yoruba-land" crew throw away his senses and start seeing religious stars in a naira note.

He then goes ahead to scream out his ignorance, knowing full well that on Friday, some uneducated Muslim street urchins and mishevious clerics up in the core North could decide to pour out into the streets and roast some poor southerners (both muslim and xtian) alive all because of this ignorant man gone rampage.

Rubbish!!!

nice news.
however, this is to be expected
I'm sure that almost all state capitals have the highest IGR's amongst the cities in their states.

Where I think that Lagos stands out is that it is one of the few states in Nigeria that is quite welcoming to all ethnic groups.
Maybe because it has outgrown such naked ethnic narrowness

There are some cities in Nigeria that lazy indigenous youths daily lay siege at the gates of companies demanding tributes.
I know of an incident in one of such cities were my friend got a job, and the youths told the company that the job should not be given to him.

In the words of the rascals when ushering the young man out of the oil servicing company's work premises
"Na our farm be this. Una don spoil una own farm, u wan come chop for here. Gerrat!!!"

And that was the end of my friends oil career dream

esonuu:
Hmmm i see people kneel down all alone for 1,2,3 hours,thats minus the time they already spent in bible reading and singing of song,they are not even pastors,most times i even ask myself these questions "what has he/she been saying? I thought the bible said we should avoid heaping of empty phrases or repeatition of words when praying? Isnt him repeating words all this while?..few times i even tried to kneel and pray for 30mins,i couldnt except when am in church and the prayer section began,u cant watch while others pray,u gats to force ursef to prolong ur prayer..my question is,what are the benefits of praying for hours and how can one develop that attitude without repeatin words

I spend long hours everyday even after work, researching on topics in my career field. Slowly but surely, I'm becoming an authority in my field.

I think, the same would apply to folks who spend long hours in churchy things. Yes. even if they repeat same words, they might soon be expert kramers of the entire bible

Ukutsgp:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. -John3:1-6.


what does it mean to be born of water and the spirit from verse 5 above?

what does being born mean?
it means to be pushed down or out from inside the body of a female, and thus bearing the xteristics and reaction to the environment of the creature that birthed you.

There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Here, Jesus says "Ahhh, Nicho, you seeing and acknowledged what I am doing is interesting. Folks whose minds have not been renewed ( born again) cannot see it."

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jesus replies "Nicho, ....this question wen u ask me tells me something about the rebirth you have had so far. You dey try, but u still have some more rebirthing to go. You know the 3 states of matter, solid, liquid then gas. animals that live on land give birth to land animals. These animals behave like land animals too and cannot fly. Animals that survive in the air give birth to animals that can survive in the air.

Nicho,... you have seen the kingdom, but you need to continue the rebirth process so that you reach a stage that you can fly like the wind/spirit and get into the kingdom