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Christianity EtcRe: Women Should Not Keep Quiet In Church ! by esere826: 11:11am On Jan 30, 2015
BabaGnoni:
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PS: esere826 you sabi watch a 26 minutes long video wherever you are?
I should be able to
Christianity EtcRe: 2015 Prophecies For Nairaland Members & Nairaland Visitors by esere826: 1:14am On Jan 30, 2015
vooks:
.....................

Cc: Goshen360,Shdemidemi,Bidam,Winsomex,mbaemeka,ayoku777,esere826
uhm....interesting
I'll sidestep making much comments and take another approach.

Somehow we are made to believe that prophesies are a prediction of the future.
Even the traditions of judaism and the dictionary seems to agree with this.

However, I sense that this might not be the case.
I presently believe that a prophesy is more about speaking words that shape the outcomes of the future -A future that has not previously existed

Predictions or fortune telling on the other hand seeks to look at the future and tell the story today.
They appear similar, but are not exactly same

So, for example when God says to Ezekiel in Ezekiel 37:4 "prophesy to these dry bones....."
he is not necasarily predicting the future in the true sense of the word.
What he is doing is speaking words to shape the future of the dry bones


now, ..in conclusion
I'd be reluctant and careful to have someone prophesy(shape) my future whether money or no money is involved
I 'd rather that God speaks to me directly and give me the words and nudges that I would use in shaping my future
Christianity EtcRe: Women Should Not Keep Quiet In Church ! by esere826: 1:15pm On Jan 29, 2015
BabaGnoni

Yours is another great point of view with regards to Paul speaking sarcastically
and it is possible.

Many times, the bible somehow does not easily capture the emotional undertones behind statements made
I noticed such gaps with some of Jesus comments in the new testament which did not make sense to me previously
however, when I reviewed them after giving Jesus more human emotional attributes, they began to make more sense to me.

but then again BabaGnoni
Frosbel is not far from your point either
He concludes that ancient lying scribes made the changes
while you suggest that modern unskilled scribes were not able to properly transcribe the message

the meeting point is that there is possibly a misrepresentation of what Paul said in this verse
Christianity EtcRe: Women Should Not Keep Quiet In Church ! by esere826:
Hi frosbel

Nice question, I also read the link you provided. This is my opinion:

It is very possible that Paul did say that women should not speak in church.
Unlike what the article in the link says, the text does flow perfectly.
It talks about confusion and disorder and tries to manage this by limiting the amount of outspoken voices in a congregation.

If my assumption is correct, then the challenge would be to answer this question: "was what Paul said the word of God?"

For those that hold literarily tight to the bible. Their answer would be "yes, afterall, all scriptures are God-breathed"
For those that allow some loose ends, Pauls conclusion to his statement would make them have no choice than to agree that it was the word of God. For paul says: "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment."
Some will just form ignoring and skip that chapter about women silence in church.

I on my part think that Paul was not correct if indeed he said both.
In my opinion (still assuming he said both) he was either
1) giving a command from God which God meant for that time
or
2) making reference to earlier Jewish traditions (considered as God's commandment) of male -female separation in synangogue activities
or
3) he was mis-representing God

Now, I'll push further.
If it was (3), then I will still be able to understand and empathise with him.
In our modern day, we have folks who are close to God, or who like to think that they are closer to God than others.
What I have observed is that these folks do a lot of mis representation of God. They say what God says, and add theirs
and then sum up everything as coming from God

But why would they mis-represent God?
It is understandable.
I doubt that many times we who call ourselves Christians have actually heard God speak in plain human-like language
my experience is that he tends to speak in inprints
when you receive that imprint you then try to translate it into language
in translating it, you use your words which are many times coloured by your personality, and values
in fact ( and typical of any oral transfer of information) the time gap between the imprint and when you say it can give enough room for the story to blossom beyond what was originally said except you write it down immediately

Despite this flaw in the communication process,
what you end up saying does carry the nucleus of the initial message although the peripherals might have been distorted
For example, I suspect that the message of tithing, first fruits etc have been seriously distorted.
however the nucleus of it still remains the same which is:
That we should make finance available for the Church to spend in achieving the goals of Christ

Still on the matter of Paul, my conclusion is that if indeed it was number (3) that happened
it did not shift from the original message/command which was that:
....there should be some order in church.
PoliticsRe: Why PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op): 1:09pm On Jan 23, 2015
This has been long,

..but by now, I think you understand the gist.
There are some smart folks in Jonathans team (I believe Akin and FFK are part of the brains behind this)
who understand the way reinforced narratives work.

What they are trying to do is to slow down the viral spread of the sai Buhari crowd by redirecting the issues and narratives.
These prevents those of us that are on the fence to jump in and sheepishly join the ever increasing Buhari crowd
This slow in speed will also calm down the zeal of pro-Buhari electorates in the South who might charged up to vote, defend their vote, and protest if their vote is rigged or perceived rigged

They've got about 3 more weeks to go, and the media, typical dog like they are,
are happy to go chasing after the bones of certificate scandal stories


.......Unhmmmmmm, should I say Sai Buhari or sigh Buhari?
PoliticsRe: Why PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op): 1:02pm On Jan 23, 2015
I think I have deviated too much from the thrust of my story.

If you've read stuff about network theory, you'd understand the power of influencers
this is were most media platforms fall under
Folks may describe those of us who disperse info on print and social media as armchair critics
and in fact say that we do not vote........they miss the point.
The idea behind media is that if you generate enough positive buzz,
people start believing and buying into it
That's how mega churches rise
that's how Abiola's Concord supported coups too

So I read alot about the failings of Jonathan, and the beauty of Buhari the mesiah to come
I gradually start liking Buhari and saying he would win
I the non-voter tell my Driver (the voter) that Buhari is great.
His wife hears the same story from her madam.
They tell their neighbours, who have also heard this, and soon a myth becomes a reality
PoliticsRe: Why PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op): 1:01pm On Jan 23, 2015
Already firmly rooted in the Southwest, Tinubu's party tried to penetrate into the Midwest and middle belt
He soon scored a big one when he drew Buharis CPC in. With the defection of 5 PDP rebel governors to APC
Tinubu's party became a truely national party for the first time although with a strange religious leaning at that time


Media and IT savvy yoruba youths who were already besothed to their man Tinubu were more than happy to adopt
the man Buhari. I cringe when say that a large chunk of them would probably also have adopted Atiku
if Tinubu and supported him. they would simply have described it as "change"

But here came Buhari, who any one alive in Nigeria would easily describe as squeaky clean
He was thus a perfect choice.
Whereas the nothern urchins have kept their narrative about Buhari as a religion and ethnic protector
Buharis' team for the south have smartly used another strategy.
They have highlighted Buhari as an anti-corruption czar who would jail all the big men who snatch their girlfriends
PoliticsRe: Why PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op): 1:00pm On Jan 23, 2015
Goodluck's political machine zoomed in on this glaring religious projection of Buharis constituents
and further helped to accentuate it for him using all available media avenues.
It was thus easy to split Nigerians votes between core north poor muslims for Buhari,
and the rest of Nigeria for Jonathan. Jonathan's team only helped the rest of Nigeria see what
Buharis followers saw in him.

After Jonathan sat on the throne, a large swath of young Nigerians were begining to get frustrated with him
this stage marked the rise of Social media in Nigeria (which Jonathan brought to our country grin)
The social media space is a hard one to police, especially by an underdeveloped country
Now, you must understand something about media in general.
The only way that they can remain in business is to ensure that controversies and gossips are always available
The traditional print media for the first time in a long time were not being harrased
like a mad dog released from its leach to chase the intruder, which then turns against its owner when it sees no one else to chase
the print and social media which previously lashed out at powerful antiJonathan elements
they were very happy to run amoc with any and all stories about Jonathan (apart from his sex life) that tickled their fancies
You must have noticed that they were not quick to try this with the governors who are way more brutal than Jonathan in wielding their power

Tinubu the man many perceived as being more corrupt than Ibori but more tactical
began to gradually harness this noise. He was hailed as a hero. Wetin im achieve, me I never see yet
He had stood as almost a one man squad against the Obasanjo's PDP previously
and had also been spot-on in the one who he anointed as a governor for Lagos state

Tinubu and his ACN was now being gradually accepted by the vocal and savvy yoruba youths as the new Awolowo
They had not met Awolowo, but had heard about him. Here was their chance to crown a new Awolowo.
Gradually, opposition to PDP in general (whether because one did not get an appointment or for other reasons)
and Jonathan in particular began to coalesce around Tinubu.
PoliticsRe: Why PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op):
Folks might be wondering why PDP is bothering itself with such a small matter
as a secondary school certificate which a number of us who are younger would have misplaced by now.
I'll tell you why, but understanding it might take a long process of story telling

The power of choice is in the availablity of information.
In the world of business management, we refer to this as information asymetry or symetry
In a democratic dispensation, the availability and manipulation of information is paramount

Buhari previously had a cult like following only in the core north.
The information that the street urchins who queued up behind him had
was of a religious ethnic zealot who would defend their faith and tribe.
He was also considered a big man who would stoop low to the level of the commoners.
Buhari, played his part in not defraying this perception. In fact he seems to have encouraged it.
These street urchins were not in anyway bothered with the anti-corruption narative of Buhari
they wouldn't have cared a hoot if he was the most corrupt man in the universe.
PoliticsWhy PDP Is Zoooming In On Buharis Certificate by esere826(op):
The sly pickpocket knows that in order to dis-posses a potential victim
you keep the person distracted on some issues, then you creep in and hit
CareerRe: Learn How To Use Excel Spreadsheets For Beginners by esere826(op): 10:58am On Jan 20, 2015
yinkeys:
@manny4life @esere826 do you guys intend teaching Microsoft Access(database) once you're through with this
That could be on another thread
I have actually started making videos on Excel, Access , SQl, SharePoint and other Business Analysis toolkit which takes my spare time
The challenge that I have is that I use my real name on the videos
so I am unable to post them here

I apparently did not think through it properly sad
Christianity EtcRe: DISPENSATIONALISTS- Will There Be Literal Animal Sacrifices In The Millenium? by esere826:
vooks:
Thomas Ice certainly thinks so
https://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/LiteralSacrificesInTheMillennium.html
Anybody supporting him?
CC: BabaGnoni,Shdemidemi,Ayoku777,esere826,NLMediator,mbaemeka,Bidam
I don't agree with the thought, but i won't be quick to call him a heretic

I have some issues with scriptures, which I am still trying to understand/unravel (God helping)
the answers of yesterday are no longer suitable for today.

There is something interesting about IT.
You can use some IT technologies such as codes and GUI's to build wonderful solutions
The smarter and more experienced you are, the easier it is for you to build and unravel complex IT solutions
In all of this, you follow some rules set up by those that developed the codes
the original developers might say something like this:
If the user writes "[b] [b]"then make any text between it bold

So You are happy that you are able to figure out the secondary working of the code, but it gets to a point
that you say wait a minute. Why was "[b] [b]" defined as bold?

Now, the scripture talks a lot about blood.
Based on its talk about blood we like IT geniuses can decode that when a special blood is spilled once and for all
it pays the ultimate price without any need for other blood sacrifices.

But then, you take a step back and say wait a minute
why is blood needed in the first place
Some Bible genius might jump out saying:
"without shedding of blood, there is no remission" and that "life is in the blood".

You say, "yeah, i get that alright, but why is blood needed?"
"Could God not have instituted something else as a sin taker?"

When you start asking such questions and get answers, I think you inch your way past the outside courtyard inter greater understanding
HealthRe: RIP DJDOLA- We Will Miss You by esere826: 1:57pm On Jan 17, 2015
There is a saying that

...."too many cooks spoil the broth"

TeHN
you've done well no matter the mistakes or outcome
PoliticsRe: Jonathan Trending In Yahoo by esere826(op): 5:20pm On Jan 15, 2015
PassingShot:
People writing and checking about how clueless he actually is.
lol

I think it had something to do with the aerial picture of the massacre that Yahoo is featuring right now
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 2:54pm On Jan 15, 2015
vooks:
Esere826,
He is in many words aksin to be given time to Google for a Dispensationalism biased timeline so that he can comment on it. He don't want to be caught like a dear in the headlights...Jehovah's Witnesses can't think without their Watchtower study 'aids' grin
His will have 7 'dispensations from Genesis to Revelation and the 'message of Grace' starts somewhere in Acts 15
lol naaaa...
I'll give Shdemidemi the benefit of doubt

and besides, I think it as an assignment for all of us to try to do
its kinda crazy that we just received a book without trying to find out more about instead of parroting that "it is the Word of God"
afterall, someone in the bible seems to be way smarter than us of this generation and says this:

Luke 1
Dedication to Theophilus

1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us, 2 just as they were delivered to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely[a] for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theoph′ilus,[b] 4 that you may know the truth concerning the things of which you have been informed
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 2:40pm On Jan 15, 2015
shdemidemi:
Can't do that at the moment but there is quite a lot of time lines that depict the timing of event from Gen. to Rev. on line.
I will probably paste one much later. They certainly help for guided study.
That would be great. Thanks
With such timelines, we might even start seeing possibilities that the gap between a revelation and the time it was documented and who documented it could have an influence
Something like I tried to explain to Frosbel about the possible reason why there is no record of the virgin birth in the book of Mark
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 2:26pm On Jan 15, 2015
shdemidemi:
The bible isn't confusing if we learn to understand it as a progressive revelation instead of one flat story book. It is within God's prerogative to keep things hidden from man until He chooses to unveil them. He unveiled the message for the church to Apostle Paul but my friends will rather pitch their tent with those who came before the Apostle.
Deut 29:29
"The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions.
Fair enough
Please can you help to present a timeline for different activities and revelations from Matthew to Revelation.
Such a visual presentation could be helpful.
It doesn't need to have dates, just present it in a linear sequence.

From this, we can try determining when Paul received this revelation compared to the other apostles
and whether this was the final revelation of his or if he reverted back to previous revelations

We can even learn loads of other stuff than can help in our discussions

Something like this:

Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 1:40pm On Jan 15, 2015
Ok guys,

why don't we step back and take a look at the root cause of all of these arguments and confusion
An atheist would simply explain that it is because there is no God, and that the writers of the Bible were writing fairy tales and hence the confusion.

It is clear that the bible seems to support both points of views that you guys are debating
and hence, you can never come to an agreement
So the question for me would be "who actually propounded these points of view?"
and why?

I have my theory about what happened, but it is quite long
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 1:31pm On Jan 15, 2015
italo:
If I thought "sick" was a verb, my statement would read: "sickler is not from the verb "sick."
But how can I explain this simple thing to you? How can I open your brain and put common sense in there?
So let me agree that I never knew that "sick" wasn't a verb. I thought it was. I thought it was right to say "I am sicking" or "you sicked."
You dont argue with a mad man that calls you "mad." You either ignore or agree and move away.
You're obviously filled with not only the Holy Spirit
but the Holy Ghost fire grin
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 12:45pm On Jan 15, 2015
italo:
........ because you do not know that the noun "sickler" is not from a verb "sick." It is from the word "sickle" as in "sickle cell."......
Haba Italo

I just dey help you oo
We cannot write one thing in English and mean another ooo
we are not mind readers
Well carry go and more grammatical twisting power to your elbow
PoliticsJonathan Trending In Yahoo by esere826(op): 12:36pm On Jan 15, 2015
I just now noticed that GEJ is trending on Yahoo.
Any reason for this?

Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 1:53am On Jan 15, 2015
italo:
The subject is truly bigger than people like you who laugh in ignorace because you do not know that the noun "sickler" is not from a verb "sick." It is from the word "sickle" as in "sickle cell."
A person who sins is a sinner. Come up with another ignorant defence.
I couldn't help interjecting abeg no vex

sick is not a verb
it as an adjective

a verb signifies action, eg the boy JUMPS
while an adjective signifies an attribute eg the man is SICK or the dress is RED

Sick is only a verb in UK pidgin (informal English). it is then used like this:
he sicked (i.e. vomitted) in the pub
grin

make all of una suffery dey misyarn oooo
Christianity EtcRe: Does Mark’s Gospel Implicitly Deny The Virgin Birth? by esere826: 4:54pm On Jan 13, 2015
Nice searching Frosbel. Hope it goes well

Let me help a little bit here in adding some thoughts that could help in building an almost visual picture.

If indeed Mary conceived without a man, who would have known about this?

Mary would definitely have known for sure who was responsible
If Joseph was not responsible, he would have serious misgivings
Even if he had a dream about it, he most likely would suffer some doubts once in a while for a long time.
Mary and Josephs parents and family elders will naturally assume that Joseph was responsible for the pregnancy
It is not common for parents to speak about sexual encounters with their kids,
so Jesus brothers, sisters and cousins wont know about this for a long time

So the story of the virgin birth if true (I believe it is)
is one that would only have come out very slowly and mixed with suspicions
It is not a story that would have been so out there for the consumption of the general public
neither would the disciples have been bold enough to ask Jesus for confirmation
I doubt that Jesus would be telling them about his mums sex life too

Perhaps, we can assume that after the death and resurrection of Jesus plus other miracles they witnessed
The disciples would have been better placed to enquire more from jesus sibling
(not the mum) about this rumour they heard in order to further validate an emerging Christ concept/theology

Jesus sisters would be in the best position to confirm from their mum and in turn share this with their brothers
who in turn would reluctantly share this with the others

You can see from this that it not something that would have been in the forefront of the gospel for years
However, as Christianity matured and sort of needed a religious structure to rest on
it is an information that would have been considered useful to add to the religious body of knowledge concerning Christ
EducationRe: Regrets Of A First Class Student by esere826: 1:32pm On Jan 12, 2015
Akdegreat:
........Some folks would say "you can't have your cake and eat it."
The first time I heard that phrase. I was like "wtf"?
I pensively asked the guy who was saying this to me: "so what am I to do with my cake? stare at it?"

It a corruption of the original idioms which are either:
-You cant have your cake and eat it TOO
or
-You cant have your cake and it (too)

with this, the idiom reads better to mean that both events are mutually exclusive
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Pastors Sell Their Sermons? by esere826: 8:07pm On Jan 11, 2015
vooks:
SirJohn,
If only these guys were honest and admitted to making merchandise of the gospel...
that will be difficult even for the most 'saintly' to admit
Even businesses that are set up solely for profit are expected to bear some father christmas social responsibility

remember that Sign Fireman was blunt and truthful about his strategy when he was interviewed by that guy in the mini-scandal video
yet folks criticized him
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Be Justify & Still Be Guilty As Charged? by esere826: 11:15am On Jan 10, 2015
my fellow pastors
how come you guys quote scriptures more than the new testament writers?
just wondering
PoliticsUnderstanding The Fault Finders Eg Dele Momodu by esere826(op):
The fault finders

a husband and wife married to one will tell you how painful it is
The problem with the fault finder is that nothing you do is good enough
they do not have a standard that they weigh you against... no
all they do is make something wrong about you with twisted and probably poetic and appealing logic

I'll give you an example
the wife gains weight, and the fault finder says with such weight you'll waste money buying new clothes that fit
the wife looses weight, and the fault finder says as a woman is getting older she should concern herself with being a rallying point for the familly
and not how to compete with 19 yr old models

You see how wickedly unpleasent such people are
Its much easier when someone has a standard
for example, if the husband like a woman that is size 12 and can cook variety of meals
then the wife knows what to work towards and what she can get rebuked for if she steps outside the line


Sometimes I read through Dele Momodus page on Thisday.
Today i clicked on his page and shook my had trying hard to finish reading it
i have come to realise that although he's a good story teller he is ultimately a fault finder
one minute, he could be saying that the president should go on a tour around the country
the next minute if the president does this, Dele would be writing that the president should not be going on tours when the country is burning


as teenagers and youths, we pass through a stage in our life were we are influenced heavilly by outside fault-finding voices
as we grow older, we should not let these voices stir us. We should chart our courses ourselves
RomanceRe: Nigerians Rated Among World's Top Porn Viewers by esere826: 9:04am On Jan 10, 2015
@humanshado

wrong title
The analysis only says that Nigeria's access to porn has increased greatly compared to previously,
not that it is one of the top porn watchers
that a 6 months old baby doubles its size in 2 months does not mean that it is rated as one the tallest humans

..................if you're my student, I'll give you a big fat zero for missing such a simple thing
Christianity EtcRe: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by esere826: 4:55pm On Jan 08, 2015
vooks:
....What's unremarkable is that some people still defend him after this
Exodus 21:2-6 If you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years; but on the seventh he shall go out as a free man without payment. 3If he comes alone, he shall go out alone; if he is the husband of a wife, then his wife shall go out with him. 4If his master gives him a wife, and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and he shall go out alone. 5But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife and my children; I will not go out as a free man,’ 6then his master shall bring him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him permanently.
To answer your question, WHY DO CHRISTIANS (STAGE) FAKE MIRACLES?
1. Profit- the spectacular is a money magnet. The woman with the issue of blood risked stoning just to get the touch. Desperate miracle seekers will pay ANYTHING to get it
2. Foolishness- some believers imagine that they are helping the 'cause' by ascribing fake miracles to Jesus. They think it is perfectly in order to lie to win souls. The end justifies the means
forgive me, but I'm not comfortable with the word "lie" here. Maybe its me, but I tend to describe what you've stated as "deception".
"Lie" feels more like a pastor preaching and when he forgets the passage quickly lies and says "in genesis 1, God said in the beginning was the Word..."
"Deception" on the other hand sounds like someone with full and planned intention to purposely twist facts to serve an intended purpose
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Pastors Sell Their Sermons? by esere826: 6:44am On Jan 08, 2015
vooks:
Just about every other ministry have a website which cost next to nil to run. Then you have youtube. What is the big deal with availing the sermons through these channels?
They are afraid that if they sold what is available freely, few would buy the DVDs. So it is not lack of technology that prevents them but business acumen cool
o no vooks shocked
hope this is no new discovery to you ?

I wonder why folks think that pastors are different from every day folks
its like a teenage boy thinking his mum is a virgin undecided
BusinessRe: Ibru Family Fight Over Ownership Of Sheraton Hotels Plc by esere826: 6:24am On Jan 08, 2015
umhhhh
strong family bonds are easily broken by wives

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