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shdemidemi:
I don't think it has anything to do with english.. their Hebrew name behemah which is different from malak/angel.

u didn't get it. let me try again
etymologically speaking, the english word "beast" is not as a result of your assertion viz:
"They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast."

i.e english word does not have any definition or ascription of a beast as a being which has no living soul like man

In order words, in the strictest sense of logical english language construction, your assertion is wrong

If for example, you say a cuckoo is called a cuckoo because that's the sound it makes, then you could be very right
but if you say a goat is called a goat because it bleats, this wont be an accurate reflection of the reason behind a goat being called the name goat.
English called that animal that bleats a goat. It could have called it any other name
So now you also call it goat when speaking english

..i could explain further

shdemidemi:
Yes they do have a spirit if interpreted as the element of life but they were not created in the image of God.

They are not a living soul(inner man and outer man) like man and that is why they are referred to as beast.

Nope....
thy are referred to as "beast" because that is the name they have been given in english
english could easily have called them angels and called us beasts, and we would know no better.

hope u get it

lastmessenger:
....
Bros park well.I know where you belong. When your pastor supported immorality you were busy all over internet defending him.When an idea is not coming from your pastor it won't make sense to you.

Ahhhha now I get it

you mean he is one of those that can only think what pastor is thinking
and will only accept what you say when im pastor suddenly introduces it as a doctrine


I once had a close friend just like that
if I tell am something,...im go argue tire with me

but immediately pastor receives new revelation and starts teaching what I had earlier shared with her
she go accept am without wincing
then carry the rhema come give me, even forgetting that I told her same thing earlier

This topic was posted in the business section not political section
Discussions should be sensible and not full of political sentiments.

Now, I'll offer my input

With such cheap market rates, we should start thinking of selling oil to ourselves and not to others
That means we swiftly turn our economy to a production one and not to a consumption one

The easiest way for us to do this is for the government to concentrate its support on some three or four Nigerian companies
by creating protectionist policies that provides an instant market for them
The government should also proactively shield these select companies from corruption by applying its judicial might on any one that that breaches the sanctity of the model.

Example
Lets say Innoson motors and ALSCON are two of such companies
The government creates a policy that forces at least 70% of any metal needs of a public project (state or federal) to be bought from ALSCON
The government also encourages Innoson to patronise ALSCON for at least 90% of its metal needs
The government (state and federal) creates a market for Innoson by purchasing all its vehicles hence forth from Innoson
Using its ambassadors to other African countries, it also creates markets for Innoson vehicles in any country the we provide with military support

Finally, the government creates a plan to untangle itself from these companies and allow them compete when the oil prices stabilize.
It does this with the companies, so that they are also not left with a glut when the economy bounces back.

With regards to corruption in these shielded sectors
the government goes into a frank talk with the judiciary for the need to be swift and decisive in these shielded sectors
If any of the managers or government officials such as police and tax men touch one kobo
they are immediately brought to justice without any godfather interference

@ lastmessanger

I like what you wrote
Its really sad this whole bondage of hell fear thing

And it seems the Abrahamic religious establishments probably apart from Judaism is benefiting from feasting on peoples fear of the great beyond.

Now I personally do not have any stand on whether Hell exists or not, although its obvious that most of the verses quoted to support the concept of eternal torture cannot be said to be conclusive pointers to its existence or eternal attributes

An interesting paradox is that many of those who dangle the concept of hell, offer you an olive branch out of it that is based on their concepts of righteousness, they then gleefully seem to wish everyone who does not agree with their view should be thrown in to the place.

I remember how my friend and I in our tender youth were chilling in my parked car cuddling our girls
and then came this woman looking haggard and walking past us
Not looking directly at us, she shouted condemnations at us for sinning.
After her conviction, she summarily sentenced us to hell

.....uhmmm

tosag:
For a long time now, I've been praying to God for a job. I've fasted, prayed and even gone for deliverance at MFM twice, all to no avail. The bible says in the book of psalms that God is love and that His mercies endureth forever. If God is indeed merciful as the bible claims why hasn't He heard my cry for help? Even me, an earthly father will not sit and watch my own biological son, whom I brought into this world to suffer for something I know I can provide him. My question is " Is there anything I can do to make God see the seriousness of my situation and for Him to come to my help?". My fellow nairalanders pls I need ur candid advice and suggestions.

My initial reaction was to question why you are praying for a job from God, why are you fasting, and why are you going for deliverance
but then I recall the scripture saying that a drowning man clings even to straws

I do understand the desperation. I've been there, and still go through such straw clutching moments sometimes
without the fasting and deliverance sha
all I get back is a deafening silence

But so far, I've noticed something
As long as I just keep on pushing for what I want
being confident that God is not like the proverbial native doctor that says
"ah, why did you eat egg in the morning? ahh,..why did you not wake up at 12 midnight on the dot to recite so and so incantations?"

ideas begin to sip in gradually
I begin to act on them, ,...and soon I get results.
Probably not exactly what I want, but its likeness
Like TD Jakes would say, "success does not look like success when you are there"

Meanwhile during the process of 'waiting'
I noticed that I do have some form of sustenance. If not materially, then a kind of strong fortress within me that stands tall against the storms.

I am pretty sure that you have friends and family that are presently standing behind you
that itself is a gift which you should be thankful for and learn from, for now
for soon, whether God be for you or not (...I believe that he is for you)
You'll be the one supporting others

..cheers

tbaba1234

Your post title is dubious and you should know this

but mehn

..una dey use harsh words on una sef ooooooo
dishonesty, confusion, liar etc

can't folks just argue for the simple reason of seeking to understand better and to develop some rigour in presentation and question answering.
None of us sabi it all, and are all susceptible to some error at least

All we do is just touch the elephant in different places and tell what we think, we see, or feel, ..God no vex.... afterall, even people wen write Bible add their own tche thcere join ... women must cover hair etc

...although some kolo folks go touch the elephant tok say na tree of life dem touch and that you wen say na lie are not spiritual

Bidam:
As for man he is a spirit that has a soul the body is just a house for the man. The body dies, the spirit lives on after death.

Who told you this?
And who says the soul does not return from where it came from if the body returns to its own chemical origins?

shdemidemi:
Atleast you admit there is such a place, isn't that a step better... god frosbel on the other hand does not believe there is a place as such.

We don't need to believe the same things
even two similar scriptures do not tell the same story.

In the days of Jesus, everyman go waka go front of temple tok him own tori from wetin im read from Torah

but wait a minute
why would we read the bible that talks about several things in several ways, and chose to emphasise the worst ones?

Like I would say, Jesus who was the Son of God and indeed God as we would argue came to earth
he branched Israel where he walked on water
he apparently could fly too by faith, but didnt

Instead he preached to a narrow audience and left the others to face judgement in a hell that would last forever
Ok, he appeared again to Saul, but probably avoided selecting and appearing to folks from the hinterlands of Africa to preach the news that would have saved them from eternal punishment


.....habaaaaa!!!

pause.... rewind and think again
there is something we are not getting right about the concept of Jesus, God and the fiery judgement vs bountiful reward.

It took one man, Martin Luther to challenge the established orthodoxy of his days from whence we hear that saintly miracles where even wroth.

......go Frosbel ...goooo

even if I no participate, I go clap well, well

Bidam:
The conclusion of the matter is that Revelation 20:10 never said Satan and the false prophets would be annihilated and destroyed thus becoming extint. It said their torment will be day and night for ever and ever. It is simple to read and comprehend really. Why are you forcing your opinion into God's word. You can ask God if you see Him why He should torment d devil and his disciples day and night abi?

this is a better argument for hell
However it says little or nothing about humans burning forever and ever, whereas it distinctively points to Satan, the beast et al suffering such a fate

michaelwestern:
Read the whole chapter 9 of mark and tell me how your explanation correlates with what Jesus Christ was saying.

Ok, apparently, Mark 9 suggests that those who are beheaded in this life will show in the other life headless, and carrying their heads in their hands.

..and yes, it also suggests that such a state of handicap will be eternally permanent too
..abi?

Guy, find another verse to support hell talk. This one no work oooo

michaelwestern:
.......than the bible which is the Word of God. ......

I thought that Jesus is the Word of God?
umhh,... I learn new things everyday

I now understand why the Egyptians decided to make slaves off the Israelites
fearing that the israelite immigrants would one day out number and then over power them

i see nothing wrong with this man

yeah some say he beats his disciples, but those disciples are adults who have allowed themselves to be beaten
besides, TB is a native man, so such type of discipline style is understandable from him
what I would find strange is if an aje pastor like Pst Paul dey beat im people

Back then, Dem be dey tok say he says Emmanuel instead of Jesus
but then Jesus is not the name that Christ was known as when he was on earth either
its our modern way of addressing Him

They say he is theatric
but since when has that become a crime
after all it is said that after despoiling principalities and powers, Jesus made a SHOW of them publicly

The collapse of the building is a purely secular matter that should be treated as such, and the neccesary laws applied

Everyone cannot possibly have the same style of ministering

…...Seasons greetings TB Joshua

@ nex

where did you get the statistics of "less than 10% of Nigerians are on social media" from?

Generally, I agree with your view about the influence of the social media folks on those around them
I think you should have used the phrase "social media evangelists" to better describe them.

,..nice interview

ladymichael:
I really need advise from especially the men
My colleague is gonna be 35 in a few months and is not married or even have toasters. She has reached a point where she doesn't even think about it.
She says she sometimes asks herself on why she's still single and concludes that maybe she's not supposed to ever marry.
I really feel sorry for her but don't know how to advise her.
Please what could be the issue? Abd how to I advise her?

single men between the ages of 34 and 45 are very few oooo
and tend to be very selective especially if they have it all

Introductions could do the trick
just make sure she is not hooked up time wasters while at the same time ensuring that she doesnt com across as viciously desperate for marriage

...by the way, you shouldn't feel sorry for someone because of husband issue. Marriage is not everything

frosbel:
I have a nightmare situation , a terrible thought , a recipe for heart attack, the unthinkable ;

WHAT IF.... Buhari does not WIN ? Are we DOOMED ?

My own perception is this, if Buhari does not win, we are screwed and I mean big time.

- Corrupt politicians and elite will throw parties worth millions of dollars ( not even Naira )
- More fresh crooks will be lining up to join the government and rape the country even more.
- Boko Haram will get worse and all hell may even break lose.
- Our soldiers will continue to be insulted and ignored and under perform on the battle field.
- Our police will continue running away from armed robbers and killing civilians
- Education will get worse and our graduates may resort to desperate measures that will not be pleasant.
- Hospitals will further deteriorate
- More emigration by the best and most talented people including but not limited to doctors, engineers, IT experts etc.



Am I wrong , hallucinating or just MAD.

Help me here someone.

You could add this question
What if Buhari gets sick and cannot stand for election?

....I guess the world would end if we miss this messiah

Lol
theories don't work in practice
Mandela is said to be a great leader, but did not tick your boxes

Amaechi was being extremely dumb and running his mouth like it had diarrhoea
to complete the silliness he go soon tok say wives should not shag their husbands if they vote Jonathan
or that we should shoot all politicians and their families including himself to get rid of corruption

...nonsense

His image handlers are indeed doing a good job
the next step is for them to influence the old papas in APC that have narrow minded approaches of religion and ethnicity to politics

APC shouldn't be making statements that suggest that the North are rooting for their man to take back power

donguutti:
As a non Partisan, Fence sitter ,I have making effort to know more about our Presidential Aspirants and thus make an
Informed decision on Feb 14 2015.Since there is not much to be discovered about the SHOELESS and CLUELESS Jesus of Otuoke
(except of course his preferred Brand of Rum for the season)i decided to turn my attention to the "Peoples General".I have
read Interviews, speeches by GMB.The Latest of Which is that with Thisday Newspapers.

In that Interview , the General refers to Mohammed yusuf as "a young charismatic man" amidst other Important issues

that Hitler was charismatic doesn't mean we love him
Charismatic simply means someone whose eccentric actions plus oratory is so enchanting and compelling to attract devotees

Buhari can almost be called charismatic, save that he is not eccentric and lacks oratory. he however has a cult-like following

she is a silly shallow girl
isn't she?

so when you are in power, you must chop money.. abi?

minister2015:
GEJ has completely lost control of his administration, totally confused

Yes, there is evidence of this

and yet is hellbent on rigging and forcing himself on Nigerians. .......

Why are you so sure that Jonathan is hell bent on rigging and forcing himself on Nigerians
His antecedents does not show that he does that

Buhari on the other hand can be accused of wanting to force himself on Nigerians because he has done it before
however, you cant argue that Buhari would rig elections because there is no sign he has done this before

..choose head over emotions

So these guys will be paid allowances till death for doing nothing
what a waste

PassingShot:
It means convincing voters and making the votes count.

thanks for this clarification
I hope they are presently at work convincing voters oooo
because if the two mutually try to use other means to DELIVER
the one with federal might will clearly win except the court overturns it

..............May the choice of the people win

aurenflani:
Does that meant your religion authorised you to insult the founders of other beliefs that are different from yours?

it means your religion tends to not frown at some things.
For example if someone is perceived to have spoken ill of your Prophet, and is executed. There is a tendency for the most frontal of you to say "well deserved", and the more passive of you to say "he should not have spoken like that naw. See what he brought on himself".

While my religion frowns at some
for example the most frontal would insult your beliefs and that of others before the execution and fiercely afterwards,
while the more passive would look away while your institutions are being insulted and would insult your entire institution as being barbaric after representatives of your institution carries out the executions.

We're following different scripts and what the scripts perceive as wrong and right are not always the same

PassingShot:
I don't see any reason why GEJ will win Lagos. I agree he will perform reasonably well here but Tinubu and Fashola will deliver Lagos to Buhari.

In other SW states, Buhari will still edge him based on what we see and hear from those states.

What does deliver mean?
does it mean convince voters, or does it mean influence the results?
........please explain

johnydon22:
explain... why do u guys always see little question as a tactics to criticize ur faith... please am not hear to criticize anybody just asked a simple question and thats all...

haba

Abi no be me and you do some discussions on frosbels thread not too long ago
I love talking about the bible, but I don't enjoy wasting my energy if its 100% certain that its gonna fall on unlistening ears
the reason I ask for your former religious background is to establish if my explanations would douse some previously unanswered curiousities
I would then be of HELP in that regard
If you were never a Christian, then perhaps I'll answer some other question but not this one

Amaechi is being extremely silly and oratorically mischievous

How would he establish that an election is free and fair?
The last presidential election has been adjudged the freest and fairest election in Nigeria, but CPC and some street urchins challenged its credibility

So is it the elders of APC that would sit in a round table and say that an election is free and fair?
He should be robust and give us the criteria that determines when an election is free and fair not looking at making that pronouncement based on feelings.
For example, does he expect a certain minimum Core North and South West vote to determine the elections credibility?
....make im tok am now

Cuneddy:
Lol,bt sleepin all day is a sin also cos its at act of being lazy which is a sin. It's better to meditate on the word than sleep all day i.e if you are done with all the 'doables'.

Number 1> where in the bible is it explicitly stated that sleeping all day is a sin
Number 2> Even if we consider it a sin by inference, na only poor man dat kain sin fit affect. If Bill Gates sleeps all day can it realy be considered a sin?