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Moral failure??
suspended?


these guys should learn from Nigerians

youngice:
please I am tired and confused and sad, I have this hole in my heart I feel with some "things" .
I heard something about sins towards the Holy spirit and about how they can't be forgiven .
-does this mean that salvation is not for every body , because if a sin can't be forgiven this implies that some people are destined to go to hell
- please what sin I classified as a sin against the holy spirit
- how can you know u have sinned against the holy spirit , because I've observed that nothing Christian really moves me again
Please mature CHRISTIAN COMMENTS ONLY
-----troubled Bros

Romans 8: 14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,"


deep calls unto deep
spirit speaks to spirit
So now, can your spirit being of the Spirit blaspheme the Spirit?

fear not
and don't allow fear lead you into slavery unto wolves in sheep clothes

Odunharry:
we have people like that..

Wait o, are u a male or female?

and what may I ask is that to you?

farem:
The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul. Ultimately, all created things are under God’s control. It is likely that this evil spirit was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1 Samuel 13:1–14; 15:1–35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul; God was now simply giving them permission to do so.
GQ

.[/quote]Not trying to denounce what you said
but you could pause to think again

Do you realise the old testament hardly mentions a satan
In fact, in the old testament apart from the snake, the only time a being that might have been satan is explicitly mentioned is in the story of Job.

In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

..cheers

A couple of years back, I lent someone 200K intended for a short period of 1 month
Secretly, I estimated he should pay back in no more than 3 months
He wasn't going to invest the money as such. So there was going to be no excuse

It's been years after and I didnt bother myself after the 3rd month

Interestingly, since I had a soft spot for him
my initial plan was to borrow him some 1.5 mil at the end of the year to sort some visa issues.

So when he asked for 200k I was happy to give him so that I could at least test the waters.
Thank God he failed in that, if I had gone ahead to give him the big one, I would be bitter about him now

OLAADEGBU:
Why was Jonah angry that the Ninevites repented and decided to follow God?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jonah-angry.html

Jonah 4 "But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity"

God send am message, Jonah run
fellow passengers throw am inside sea
Fish swallow am vomit am
God say make him continue the message
Jonah carry bell dey ring round the city "thou saith the lord"

Jonah kak far away from the city to witness cinema of fire and brimestone
God no do anything to the city
instead some nairalanders come dey yab am saying "false prophet"

If na u, u no go vex?

wow

the narrative that was intended to be passed across has been muddled
what I think Pius tried to show was that whereas it is the bold norm for the Nigerian Xtian structure to kill the Nigerian goose for its golden eggs, the western xtian structure is not configured that way.


I'll do a little bit of muddling myself
for those looking for favour not to pay their debts to society and individuals
td jakes suggestion might be helpful
its something like this:


instead of praying that the furniture price falls so you can afford it
why not pray that you have more than enough money to afford it

..cheers

@OP

I am on the personal track. That's where I have always been. that's were I love.
they say your background shapes the choices you make in life
I guess observing my dad somehow pushed me into the personal track.

he was essentially in the general track and was fast tracked by top guns who liked him a lot.
In fact, contrary to personal track characteristics he tried to slow the fast track down because he felt it would hurt those who should be more senior to him.
When the Pharaohs that knew and liked him departed, the new pharaohs and those my dad left behind show am pepper well well.

Most things I have got in life have not been handed me on a platter of gold.
I have had to fight and agonise to get them.

If some top folks adopt me as their scion for fast track, I no go mind sha
the Goodluck anointing is the best

@ Ajanlekoko

Uhmmmm
Very interesting thread. I like the way you grouped the categories
\this should make for a good doctoral research topic


make I read all the comments before I start my own comment

mmsen:
Religion and ignorance are the same thing.

All that has happened here is one ignorant individual has been compared with another - by way of an unverified story.

The irony in this thread is astounding...

uhmmmmm
You're mismatching context dude. I'm not going to go scientific on you here as it will defeat the different purposes that you and I pursue.
Your choice of the the words "unverified" and "irony" for such a simple and believable narrative tells the direction you seek to pursue.

...have a gracious week

@mmsen

I do feel you. I understand where you are coming from.
However, It's good to separate facts from fiction when it is most needed.

No society is perfect, but some are more perfect than others.
Even folks that curse Lagosians migrate to Lagos while it is hardly the other way round.

The article was simple. Devoid of MOG issues and national pride issues.
It simply narrates very powerfully the kind of ethical thinking that can diminish a nation vs one that can make a nation sustainably progressive.

Even I won't think like the lady in question..
But I know deep in my heart that whereas the Nigerian prayer mentioned in this article if answered will make me rich
but, it will make many of my compatriots poor


On the other hand, the ladies protest if heeded, is what will make more of my compatriots financially comfortable or at least see food to eat

mmsen:
I like how you people are obsessed with portraying Nigerians as bad and Westerners as inherently good
Please go to family court anywhere in North America and see if your lopsided and backwards prejudice holds up. Watch as people lie so as to .extract money from the ones that they claim to have loved.
There are millions of people who do all that they can to avoid paying all kinds of loans - sometimes because of sheer dishonesty but other times because the terms of the loan were unjust. Giving 10s of thousands of dollars to a child with no financial training is in itself immoral.
It seems Nigeria has three main religions - Islam, Christianity and Self-hatred.

dude you've got a point.
However, Pius tried to teach us something here if only you could catch it.

Societies are advanced because they follow some crucial rules. So their need for miracles become less
if your society deviates from such rules, what they'll get is miracles for few and suffering for many.


You know how many people in Nigeria die and are robbed when travelling to and from crusades after binding and casting all imaginable demons?
Ask you Nigerian brethren's in the West how often they pray for safe journey when travelling
- Your brethrens pray and sow seeds to escape to these western countries. They in turn don't need to pray and sow seeds when coming to yours.


If we rob and destroy our country so we can give to God and be rich, we invariable create paupers of the next generation who are then also forced to cry out to God for little mercies that ordinarily God should not be bothering himself with

That Ain’t Right: Teachable Moment For The Nigerian Christian
by Pius Adesanmi
http://saharareporters.com/2014/10/10/ain%E2%80%99t-right-teachable-moment-nigerian-christian-pius-adesanmi

As a typical Nigerian Christian, I felt a little guilt after reading this.
However, I know that I will soon recover and go back to my Nigerian xtian ways

I am getting old. I don't know how I could have forgotten this story, given its relevance to the Nigerian tragedy (a tragedy which shall prevail until we make some progress in rewiring the atrocious psychology of the Nigerian).


My brother from another mother, Bayo Aregbesola, a Director in Canada’s Federal civil service, reminds me of something that happened during our days at the University of British Columbia in the 1990s. Those were our wild oats graduate student days. We crawled the nightclubs of Vancouver to get our beering right between intra and interracial dating.

Coming from strong Christian homes back in Nigeria (Christian in the traditional sense of what is known as the old orthodox churches in Nigeria, not the nightmare called Christianity in Nigeria today), we ended up infrequently in church on Sunday - after heavy clubbing on Saturday - just to satisfy the perfunctory conscience business of not being too many miles away from the truth when you told your parents on the phone that you were still going to church. If you went to Church two or three times a year, technically you weren't lying by reassuring Mama Adesanmi on the phone that you were still her "church going son". You added a "Hail Mary" here and a "We Fly to Thy Patronage" there to reassure her that your prayers could still flow effortlessly.

But I doth digress too much. So it happened that one of our buddies ended up in church with his white Canadian girlfriend. He had the misfortune of taking her to one of those Nigerian churches. Africans tend to ghettoize their Christianity a lot in Euro-America. You leave Nigeria and attend a Church in Euro-America peopled exclusively by Nigerians reproducing and photocopying Nigeria on Sunday. Ditto for Ghanaians, Congolese, etc. Sometimes, some Churches try to reproduce the African Union by drawing membership from across the continent.

But those are the exception. The dominant trend is the ghettoized Christianity that hardly mixes beyond the national boundaries and denominations it is photocopying abroad. You are Mountain of Fire in Nigeria, you are Mountain of Fire in Canada. If care is not taken (as we say in Naija), a Congolese Mountain of Fire may even have to find other Congolese Mountains of Fire to reproduce their own national Mountain of Fire in Canada. There is little or no mixing across Africa's colonial boundaries on Sunday - even abroad.

Ah, another digression. Where was I? Ehen, so this guy takes his Canadian girlfriend to a Nigerian church. You guessed right: one of these prosperity Pentecostal churches. Praise worship, prayers, testimony, seed, and miracles. The Pastor began to rain miracles furiously into the lives of his sheep. Rapturous amens in the hall. Nigerian decibel levels. Then the Pastor asked the students in the room to stand up as well as all those who had recently graduated. He began to rain miracles into their lives.

"Anyone among you whose life is shackled by the spirit of student loans, I come against that spirit! Your student loans shall be written off!"

"Amen!!!!"

"I say your student loans shall be forgotten!"

"Amen"

"I say Canada shall wake up tomorrow and find your name missing in the student loans register."

"Amen."

Our Nigerian buddy noticed that his Canadian girlfriend had become really uncomfortable so he asked that they step out.

"Baby what's the matter?"

"Your Pastor. What he is saying about student loans ain't right. That is so wrong. When you take the loan, it is your responsibility to pay it back for the education of the next generation. You don't go about praying for miracles to cancel it. It ain't right."

Yeah. True story between a Nigerian buddy and his Canadian girlfriend in Vancouver in 1998. The difference between the psychology of this Canadian lady and the Nigerian psychology that is so tragically often on the display on social media is civics.

That Canadian girl has one head, two hands, and two legs like you. But her society did not destroy civics so she grew up understanding the necessity of civic and secular responsibilities to the said society. 99.9% of the miracle prayers and testimony hour rants in Nigerian churches are about ways to cheat the Nigerian state successfully and deprive the coming generation a future of possibilities.

When next you are awarded a contract worth billions of naira and your Pastor prays for you to keep the money without doing the job, remember what the Canadian lady said - that ain't right.

When next your Pastor obtains a building permit for a two storey building and illegally adds four more storeys to make blood money, remember what the Canadian lady said - that ain't right.

When next your Pastor uses his chumminess with government to obtain import waivers and avoids paying duties worth billions, money that could be used to build schools and hospitals for the poor, remember what the Canadian lady said - that ain't right.

When next you steal money meant for roads and hospitals and the EFCC lets you off the hook due to the legendary incompetence of Ibrahim Lamorde and his boys and your Pastor says it's a miracle - remember what the Canadian lady said - that ain't right.

Whenever I'm in Nigeria, I always try to attend Pentecostal churches for my own learning experience. I am a student of Pentecostalism in Africa. Their testimony hour is often my target. I wince and shake my head as people reel out tales of getting away with cheating Nigeria in all spheres of her existence to thunderous applause. Miracle. Miracle. Miracle.

Remember, your miracle is why Nigeria is Africa's tragic embarrassment today.

Miracles are destroying your country.

Civics is the truth.

Ye shall know the truth...

donvidar:
You got my ribs cracking with this 'kpokpo gari' unis...
Be specific pls

Though I understood wat u meant

alentyno:
By kpokpo garri universities you mean state unis? And by the non-kpokpo garri do you mean 1st generation unis like ABU? UNN? OAU? I had like to know.

ABU, UNN, and OAU are definitely not kpokpo gari universities
as per the kpokpo gari ones, I have no specific comments

but when you drive through a university and you are still looking for it
then it sure is a kpokpo gari university

opestein:
fellow nairalanders, is it necessary for a first class student to go for masters? I was arguing with my friends so I'm not sure

Your question is not quite precise
It depends on where the person is coming from and where the person intends to go to.

-If ur first class is from kpokpo gari university and you want to get high flying jobs in cool organisations, then you need a masters from a good university, and ur degree will easily get you admitted in a good one
-1st class from kpokpo gari university won't get you into phd in a good top university straight away. U'd need a masters first
-first class from a fairly good to very good university will get you into a phd straight away. It can even guarantee you a phd scholarship from a fairly good university and maybe from a top university

-1st class from a kpokpo gari university can get you a masters scholarship in a fairly good or very good university. If you also ace your masters, then you can quite easily get a phd scholarship to the topmost world universities.

So back to the question "is it necessary for a first class student to go for masters?"
Answer: It depends

DisGuy:
Knowing my people, the 3rd employee will threaten the other 2; constantly refering to his otuke connections and high chiefs, withhold paper work, go missing when major decisions are to be made-- the other two will get the inco bug or just honorably resign..

no be lie u tok
but gradually, gradually the better people will become more powerful than the mediocres if we all try to do something like this

Within a spate of some 3 weeks, two botched finacial transactions for security hardware hit the Nigerian and south african airwaves
the first was transacted using a private jet, while the second was done using wire transfers.

I am going to concentrate on the private jet one that was woth more than $9 million.

The argument by the Nigerian government was that it was using stealth to procure waepons because the US had constantly blocked its legit demand for such supplies

I wonder,
1) why the government security agencies instead of using 2 civilian businessmen did not use the Nigerian ambassador to South Africa to transact this deal
His diplomatic immunity would have ensured that his luggage was not scrutinized
2) South Africa is known for its high crime rate. Were we not worried that the money could easily have been stolen at gunpoint in a heist capable of being arranged by any of the 3 business men?
3) Now, if for any reason the plane had crashed. Na so we for take loose One billion naira just like that?


Incompetence is a disease that is ravishing us as a people because we have elevated the worst to leadership positions
The best way for us to gradually become a smart nation is for us to individually try to reward the smarter people that come to us for help.

If you've got 3 job openings that you want to fill, at least put 2 smart people in and then you can give the 3rd position to you village member

mbulela:
At least t his time they tried to follow their own cashless policy. They did not carry the money in GMG.

Thank God they did it this way ooo

The news article that the OP or is it daily post is referring to can be found here:
http://www.citypress.co.za/politics/another-sa-nigerian-arms-deal-bust/

It doesn't in any way exonerate the FG from stupidity. Instead, it ridicules the FGNs proclivity to making dumb cross border financial transactions.

If the government wanted so badly to 'illegally' buy weapons without the global watchdogs catching them, they should have been sensible enough to use someone without diplomatic immunity that will not be searched e.g the SA ambassador.

In fact, our ambassadors to some countries such as SA should be professionally trained spies not ordinary politicians


.....whish you guys goodluck

whew

where do i start from here?

mobuch: My wife is heavy with our 4th child, infact this current pregnancy is the one with the most drama, I. Have to wake up every mid nite to give her massage, I have to pet her everyday cos she is always upset; she z 7mths gone, can't wait for this nitemare to end.

Don't worry
by the 7th child, she'll be more used to the whole pregnancy drama

..God bless

guys,... let's face it we lack the capability to diversify quickly

We've been squeezed into a corner because apart from being saturated, US does not presently see any strategic benefits dealing oil with us. They'd rather manage their relationship with Saudi Arabia.

The shock of this is that we are now exposed to the very unscrupulous and competitive markets of Asia and maybe Eastern Europe
What you'll soon see is:
- a situation where civil servants in the oil sector make more illicit money
- More individual oil buccaneers pushing hard currency around in private jets like the SouthAfricaJetArms gate
- Government borrowing more money from the West to keep up with recurrent expenditure
- Government soon not able to pay its debt.
- The remnant of our oil wells will then be dealed directly to the west to manage the debts
- The west will then send the kids of the original Nigerian thieves back to Nigeria from the top Western universities to manage the deals.
- and the poor keeps getting poorer and praying for a Moses

fast forward to some 30 years from now
then their round bellied sons will screw your famished daughters for sport
and your glazed eye sons will complain on NairaLand that the girls are hungry


..vicious cycle isn't it?

[quote author=joycooten2002 post=/post/26828855]When you suddenly jettisoned your best buyer and go for its opposition vis-a-vis china rusia. Why wont they stop. In the World order. We need them more than they need us. More in my mind and fingers but dont want to go to jail [/quote]

I am kind of pleased with this

As US Shuts its Door on Nigeria’s Oil Exports
by Chika Amanze-Nwachuku 


Nigeria has become the first country to completely stop selling oil to the United States of America, the world’s largest oil producer and consumer, due to the impact of the shale revolution – an astounding reversal – as the country was only four years ago one of the top five oil suppliers to America.

According to the US Department of Energy, Nigeria did not export a single barrel of crude to US-based refiners in July for the first time since records started in 1973.

Preliminary data suggest the trend continued in August and September, the London-based Financial Times reported thursday.
Many oil producers have seen their exports to the US drop as domestic production rises thanks to the use of new technologies such as horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. But Nigeria is the first to fully stop exporting crude.

At its peak in February 2006, the US imported 1.3 million barrels per day (mb/d) from Nigeria – equal to roughly one super tanker the size of the Exxon Valdez every day. By 2012, Nigeria was just selling 0.5m b/d, but was still one of the top five suppliers to the US, alongside Saudi Arabia, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. Earlier this year, sales dropped to a trickle of about 100,000 b/d. And in July, they completely stopped.

Nigeria, a member of the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) oil cartel, is Africa’s largest oil producer and international companies from ExxonMobil to Royal Dutch Shell and from Total to Chevron operate some of the country’s major oil fields. But most of them are divesting of these assets in the country, as they undertake a portfolio rotation of their assets to divert more resources in shale oil production.

The shale revolution has affected US oil suppliers unevenly, hitting particularly hard those in Africa such as Nigeria, Algeria, Libya and Angola, which produce high quality crude similar to the one pumped in the new oil fields of North Dakota.

Middle East producers such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have suffered far less as they pump crude oil of a lower quality that US refiners continue to buy. Saudi crude oil exports year-to-date to the US have increased over the 2013 level. Kuwait has also sold more crude to the US so far this year than in 2013.

Overall, US crude oil imports hit a peak of 10.8m b/d in July 2005. Since then, they have fallen by roughly a third to hit 7.6m b/d in July as domestic production boomed.

The dramatic collapse in Nigerian crude oil exports to American refiners corroborates a warning a year ago by the Minister of Petroleum Resources, Mrs. Diezani Alison-Madueke, that shale was “one of the most serious threats for African [oil] producers”.
Nigeria has offset the impact of the drop in US sales lifting exports towards Asia, with India supplanting the US as Nigeria’s largest importer of her crude oil.

According to Platts, a specialised information service for the oil industry, Nigerian oil sales to Asia’s four largest oil importers – China, Japan, India and South Korea – have risen more than 40 per cent so far this year over the 2013 level.

Oil analysts believe that Africa-US oil trade could completely stop in the next two to three years as other leading exporters, including Angola, Libya and Algeria, suffer the same fate as Nigeria. If that materialises, Africa will have to find new customers for its oil, going head-to-head with Middle East producers in the key Asian market.

Analysts see the fate that has befallen Nigeria’s crude oil as a warning that the country must diversify its economic base if it must remain competitive on the global stage. As other major African oil producers and the Middle East search for alternative markets in Asia that consume less crude oil than the US, producers would be forced to sell at a discount to attract their custom.

Even more worrisome, said an analyst, is the fact that Nigeria would be mistaken by relying on Asian buyers, as the shale revolution has made almost every country in the world a potential oil producer. Added to this are several other African countries such as Ghana, Cote d’Ivoire, South Sudan, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia and Kenya, among many others, that have made commercial oil discoveries or are in the process of doing so.

What this portends is that some years down the line, the crude oil market would turn from a sellers’ market to a buyers’ market, as the likelihood of an oil glut forces prices down.

Nigeria has been complacent for too long. The time it should have acted on the diversification of its economy has probably passed the country by. It has failed to take advantage of its enormous gas resources by investing more in gas development for domestic use and new liquefied natural gas plants for export. The same could be said of other solid mineral resources, which largely remain untapped.

However, the reality of the US slamming the door firmly against Nigeria’s oil exports could be the wake-up call she needs. Nigeria, without doubt, has enormous natural and human resources that could still be tapped to stem her over-reliance on hydrocarbon exports.

However, Nigeria’s leaders would be mistaken it they think that advanced countries in the West and Asia got to where they are today by solely exporting raw natural resources that could be subjected to exogenous price movements over which they have control. It was through manufacturing, the services sectors, trade and tourism that sustainable diversification was achieved. That is the path Nigeria must follow, otherwise its future looks bleak.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/as-us-shuts-its-door-on-nigeria-s-oil-exports/190455/

BlackPeni5: The author of this piece sounds confused.

very confused
I know he is trying to be patriotic, but mehnnnnn.... he just jumps around the place with unrelated ideas

databoy247: I have often been in hot conversations with other peeps, and most of them sound like it's a taboo to get married to a lady who has a child (maybe out of wedlock). It's usually cool when they as guys having one or two kids wants a lady to get married to them but when its the reverse, na war.

Wat's behind this mentality? And are single unmarried ladies who already have a child actually "bad" like the society paint the picture? Am not a traditionalist so i really dont discriminate but my peeps sometimes see me as someone who have "lost it" cos i dont see anything wrong with single ladies (with a kid). Your views pls....

nothing wrong with it
afterall, we all screw
but in Nigeria, I have noticed only two types of men that more easily marry women with kids:
1) The poor
2) The rich
You can add a third class
3) Men who were previously married or presently married -they are mostly the rich men

Middle class folks tend to avoid it.


Its a Nigerian mentality thing, not that the women are bad. In fact, she might be sexually safer than the other women.

this is my own theory:

Humans have a tendency to express themselves through sounds
The priority area for sound production is the mouth
the next priority area for sound production are the hands (or palms)

if you hit your palm against any other part of your body to produce sound:
1) it might hurt. (for example, slapping your face for sound effect)
2) it might be relatively inflexible. (for example, clapping one palm against the sole of your feet)
3) The sound might not be loud enough. (for example hitting your palm against one finger)

But palm against palm achieves all 3 points

So I think clapping is actually a learned behavior for expressing sounds by primates


Uhmmmmm ^^^ o boy, i get sense sha
make i clap for myself

Although they had now left the club,
I still weighed the pros and cons:

-what if as i dey hammer dem hide camera
then later post my video for p.o.r.n site?
-what if dem conspire to kill me?
-it wont be fair to the husband to witness his young wife being trampled on by a young bull etc

As i walked home, i suddenly realised with shock that unlike Joseph,
not once did i think that I'd be wronging God too

.....sheiiiiiii !!

I froze.
In that moment, i was in unparalleled bliss
For the first time in my life, a woman had toasted me... wow
I calmed myself down and asker her what about oga. she said he wouldn't mind


I politely told her, that i was not interested and kept on dancing
she soon waved me goodbye and walked away with her husband as they went looking for the next 'victim'
i watched her behind. It was extremely flat... although she was of good build

naaaa....
this wan no go fit tempt me

As i went about dancing -it's been a long time since i last shook my body - i noticed that the couple were looking at me and talking about me.
Everyone around me was oyibo, so i assumed that they might just be impressed about my different traditional style of dancing

The lady soon walked up to me and asked that i dance with her
i was happy to, and innocently proceeded to teach her some real afro dance steps

she got talking with me and told me that the old gentleman who had now tired of dancing was her husband.
She asked what i was in the club for
"To have a good time i said", "and you?" I asked
"I came to look for a lover" she politely replied