@Op

kpele o.

she's 21 and ur 31.
Ur ready to settle, while she's in the peak of her sexual drive. If you were her age mate, you'd probably be more around her school environment and be able to calm her down or follow am do hot body.
..with such a case, her cheating is not strange.

You've let your family know about her cheating. If you guys go ahead, they will always look down on her with contempt. Are you ready to tolerate this.

From one bad 9ja man to another:
Why bother the pastor na? If you're trying to prove a point that he is desecrating his position, then go ahead
but he wasn't screwing your wife naw
after all, if she were screwing Ramseh Noah you no go tok say u wan report am to him wife and actors guild
Its different if you're warning him to keep off her, then it would be cool to play that card


there are 2 things that you can do now.

1) break up with her neatly and quickly without much drama. This will hurt both of you
2) Continue with her but gradually let her go so you guys can emotionally adjust slowly

no need sitting on the fence for too long

Option 1: It is said that when david was hungry, he ate bread that was permissible only for priests to eat.
Your friend can likewise do without tithing for now

Option 2: If your friend feels strongly that he should tithe then he can do any of these:

Option 2a) Just like government tax is taken away from earnings and the remaining salary is then tithed, he can add his parents money to the compulsory tax then tithe the remaining.

Option 2b) Your friend can tithe from all, then give his parents the rest of the money. And then apply faith for his own sustenance after this.

Option 2C) Your friend can pay his tithe then tell his pastor that himself and his parents are in need. That according to the old testament tradition, the pastor should take care of all of them as they are in need.

Option 2d) your friend can open a church that only himself and his family attends at first. He then pays his tithe to himself and can then be able to take care of his family.

9jaBloke:
Good a.m Nairalanders,
I sincerely need your advice & suggestions on the question above. First, permit me to briefly discuss the topic and shed a little light on the events that prompted the question.

I'm a serious advocate of tithing cos I see it as a way of acknowledging God by financially empowering your place of worship. So, I always encourage anyone that seeks my opinion to make giving back 10% of monthly earnings a point of duty.

I'm aware of all the points raised by various schools of thoughts on why tithes should not be paid. Reasons like; enriching pastors, mismanagement of funds, misintepretation of the scriptures e.t.c. Some are valid while others are unsubstantiated but tithes are ideally to be used to support less privileged brethren, develop religious houses, finance evangelism and other programs.

Initially it was not easy for me to be consistent, but when doubt creeps in, I remember that God gives us everything we have free of charge and is asking for just 10% back so I close my eyes and pay up. Now I indulge religiously without qualms.

Back to the topic, a friend recently narrated the following to me: His monthly pay is such that after settling bills and paying 10 % as tithe, what is left barely sees him through the month.
The conditions at home just worsened and he is now mandated to support his parents and siblings with a fraction of his pay every month-which also amounts to 10%.
There is no way he can cope with the two so he is contemplating giving up tithing.

NB: Pls advice and suggestions urgently needed from tithers who understand tithing.

Stay blessed.

starlingleanets:
see heresies...taking prophecy 4 blessings.u will gv account.

dude
just let these guys be. they are unto some interesting stuff
abeg u

Dan1cole:

Because, I don't believe that you are supposed to be dreaming dreams at this young age.
Remember, the new covenant says when the Holy Spirit is come upon us, "sons and daughters will prophesy, young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams"--Acts 2:17. So I don't believe in young people dreaming dreams.

And old men are not supposed to prophesy?
Nope


the way you interpret this verse is as follows:

When the holy spirit is released to the church, he will give even the old dying men hope
they will dream inspirational dreams of things that they intend to achieve even in old age

starlingleanets:
Keep deceiving urself-By their Fruit we shall know them nd not their Gift. And mind u nobody has a special or particular Gift it changes according to the will of the Spirit. Demon might be living in u nd u thinking u have the Holy Spirit. To know what Lives in you u must see d Fruits u produce.

do you realize that you have the sting of a scorpion

let these guys be and stop sowing poison retrogressive teachings into them

@OP

Any ideas of a practical way that we can help from our different stations in life?

Cheers

^^^
Proverbs 23:9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

PART 3 The tithers and anti-tithers

So YES, tithing is a model that works for the church collectively (miracle or no miracle)
I am not sure about how it works (if it does) for individual members


But for Goshen360 et al who are also scripturally showing that tithing should not be in play
This is what I have to say to them.

Folks don't give necessarily for the love of God. They sow because the want to reap.
If you show them a new way to reap, they will listen and follow you

And just like pastor chris smartly forced his gospel of "once saved always saved" on Nigerians through the use of "miracles" which Nigerians like.

Your anti-tithing team would have to be perceived to be the oracle of God to be successful in pushing through this anti-tithing alternative gospel
Then you will see all these pro-tithing follow-the-leader commentators suddenly switching sides and becoming the ant-tithing advocates
They are called sheep for a reason.

So pursue the vision if you feel strongly about it and don't bother with the minions

PART 2 The tithers and anti-tithers

An explanation to how the miracle of tithing worked is this.

Men like Idahosa started poor.
they gradually grew their churches and at the same time started preaching about giving to get wealth
Folks back then were very stubborn in money issues unlike today

As Idahosa started "performing miracles", some of his followers began to trust in him as the oracle of God
So when men like him showed scriptures that promised God's reward if they give
it was gradually accepted as God talking through them

So the followers gave, and the leaders got wealthier
With the new wealth of the leaders, the leaders became confident enough to rub shoulders with Military administrators and top bureacrats
Some of this public administrators became members of their churches
and also bought into the God investment thing

Xtians that were previously church rats began to have church friends in governmental high places
They began to get contracts ... Praise the lord
and they in turn hired members of their churches for different activities
so the money percolated through to many members of the churches
in turn, the members of the churches gave more believing that it was their investment in God that was yielding such massive returns

and so, the beautiful vortex continued
giving, receiving, growing bigger, more confident, more network, giving ........

Winners is a good example of such model
my friends in Winners where receiving contracts and getting employment quickly through espirit-de-corp of fellow Winners

PART 1 The tithers and anti-tithers


make me sef contribute here

My observation is that you can argue both tithing and anti-tithing points from the same bible
just like you can argue both the "once saved always saved" vs "continued repentance" gospel from the same bible


For now, what is in vogue is the tithing gospel
it is appealing to both leaders and followers because it seems to suggest that if you invest in God through the leaders, then God will bless both with riches and more.

The tithing gospel was not previously prevalent -at least, not in the early Nigerian churches
But as Men like Arcbishop Idahosa preached this gospel, they got richer from the few that stepped out in Faith to tithe and "sow"
As folks watched these pastors get richer, the followers that initially hesitated started bringing in their money hoping to tap into this wealth-increasing anointing.
The pastors and their ministries got richer as this gospel increased.

Of course, from this little story, you can easily see one of the ways in which the leaders got richer
The question then is
"did the followers also increase in 'blessings'?"

Interestingly, from my observation, YES they did increase.
If you knew how xtians and xtianity was some decades back, you'd appreciate the increase.

This might be a miracle, but can it be explained using simple logic?
YES it can

not bad

however, since i'm strong on architectural finese, I'll be reluctant to give this house 70%
the finishing was not done by experts
the paint is on the roof and spilling onto the pavement
walls that are supposed to be straight are zig zag

Sometimes its better to use metal containers and precise plums when doing your concrete containers
metal does not go zig-zag the way that wood does

u try sha
but maybe hire a university art student for paining jobs and finishing next time

..cheers

bruno419:
u just hit d nail,my parents aint part of the history,so the existence of the daughter who multiplied the world isnt part of the biblical history...m an xtain

good to know that we share the same religious disposition

I like to use the term "if the bible is true" a lot
Not because I do not believe in it, but because of 3 reasons:
1) Allows me to step back and critique so I am not a complete zombie -afterall, everybody believes their own religious book
2) Allows me to have some little scientific objectivity (and disharm the other party) when discussing with people who nurse some doubts
3) Allows me to be prepared and accept new 'rhema'. After all, many interpretations have come forth, some suggesting that
a-some sections of the bible are not be read literary,
b-that some parts are in coded parables. for example you hear some xtians suggesting that the 7 days of creation means 7 periods etc


So yes, no daughter of Eve is mentioned.
But from all reasonable conjecture, we can assume that there were daughters born to Eve
However, you never can tell.
Just like I described in 3 above, a new "rhema" can emerge to fill that gap in bible history suggesting something completely different from our present thoughts on the subject.
Almost like questioning why your lineage is not listed in Nigerian history instead of simply accepting that they were not important
might show that they were actually royalties from Congo at that period

Perhaps, you questioning along those lines might birth such a revelation of the mates of Cain and Seth
so, ...carry on

bruno419:
read ur article again,are u saying the bible is wrong or what?why did the bible mention of eve and still give u the knowlwdge dat eve was created?y didnt this same bible tell us how males were able to generate ?

If you're an atheist or none xtian... then I'm not interested in any religious arguments with you
we have no common philosophy to sustain any.

If a xtian, then my answer is this:
Yep, it mentioned Eve, but not any daughters.
This is very possible if the bible is accurate.

The books about Nigerian history do not mention your dad or grand dads names.
This doesn't mean that they never existed
It simply means that the writers of the history books did not consider your lineage as important
even if you do think otherwise

So bruno419
the next question that you should logically ask is this:

1) So, did Seth Mate with only one of his sisters, or many of them if they were more than two?
2) Did Adam have other sons apart from Seth, Cain and Abel?
3) If no other sons and Seth took one of his sisters, and Cain took one too, and assuming that there were many more sisters to only two males, what happened to the other sisters?

To the 3rd question, I'd say well, Eve's other daughters probably mated with their nephews from Seth and Cain.
Lots of incest right?

bruno419:
is there any biblical prove dat adam nd eve had a daughter
thank u

great question
Its something like this. Say we freeze Nairaland database and no more information can be posted.

Is there any NL prove that you bruno419 were born of a woman?
Probably none.

However, we will then be free to think around the issue.
Most if not all people in the world are born of women
We are yet to be aware that any human child was carried through gestation by a cow or a male human.

Consequently, we can safely assume with full confidence that bruno419 was born of a woman

bruno419:
please my dear nairalanders,i have been doing some researchers lately,in the bible,cain and abel were the only children of adam and eve,cain killed his brother abel.Now he was the only one on earth according to the bible.so how did he come about to produce offsprings??


Pls i need to get convinced and not confused!

now that belhomme has answered your question
your next line of question could be:
"So who did Seth marry? his sister?"

And my answer to that would be:

"Well, if the bible has given a true account of creation, then yes he mated with at least one of his sisters"

then if you recoil with disgust and say: "isn't that a sin?"

then I'll tell you: "Well Adam mated with his female clone eve" and "I hope and pray that the world is not destroyed with only you and your sister as the only beings left"

context is extremely powerful

salsera:
sorry to spoil the mood

Some info pls

Need to get help for a victim of domestic violence uk who needs to leave
The facts I can give away are, she has residence permit, 2 kids under 5, no job but post grad educated.

1. What finance options are available
2. Housing help ?
3. Husband is vindicative---how far can she run? can she move to scotland, ireland
4. Will he have visitation rights?
5. What about legal matters?
6. Can he take the kids from her?


This is for the Uk based people

Tell her to visit Citizens Advice Bureau in person first
They have a voluntary team that is knowledgeable in most of what you've mentioned

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

Samunique:
I was reacting to the language u used in one of ur posts over there. If u were a Christian as u said, u do not need to call anyone stupid and idiotic just bcs u think what they do is wrong. There is a way u can put it that may be of help to those who are caught in the webs of religious ignorance and excesses.

I'm not disputing the fact that most nigerian churches ain't getting it right at all, but for us to come to a forum like this just to ridicule and use vile words on ourselves ain't helping the matter either, but'll only make it worse.

Yes i believe we need to set things right, but not by reacting negatively, calling people stupid, idiotic, does not imply we want to set things right.

That's reason i reacted angrily, anyway I'M SORRY, but u should have made ur intention clear rather than calling people names.

jesus once got so upset that he got physically violent using whips to drive folks off the temple
Moses ...ahhhhh master of anger. he grounded gold to dust and forced the israelites to drink
Someone in defending his pastor chris on this forum used the heavens to curse a fellow brethren like a 'heathen' would do


.....We all are entitled to anger as long as in our anger we don't make mistakes that cannot be corrected like killing someone etc

VLadipo

I am still arguing for argument sake only

In this instance, let me assume that you are correct
that a satan/devil was mentioned some 5 times in the old testament

now, to this:

me:
.......In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

you:
By person, I hope you are referring to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit masterminded the writing of the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

ok,
considering then that the Holy Spirit who is very perfect and smart describes it as 'an evil spirit from the Lord"
who are we to try helping in describing it as "allowed by God"?

youngice:
I don't get

I'll take of some of what I was trying to say and present the little bit

how can you know u have sinned against the holy spirit ?

if you have the spirit in you, u cant sin against him (at least permanently)
so need to bother yourself about what qualifies as unforgivable sins against him

I've observed that nothing Christian really moves me again?

it happens to many if not all xtians
for me, it is a sign to move on to higher revelations/understanding that moves me
its like you are excited when promoted to University from Sec School.
If you stay there longer than needed, you'll loose any excitement

These are the things he thought me when I had those two issues just like you now have

..best wishes

Moral failure??
suspended?


these guys should learn from Nigerians

youngice:
please I am tired and confused and sad, I have this hole in my heart I feel with some "things" .
I heard something about sins towards the Holy spirit and about how they can't be forgiven .
-does this mean that salvation is not for every body , because if a sin can't be forgiven this implies that some people are destined to go to hell
- please what sin I classified as a sin against the holy spirit
- how can you know u have sinned against the holy spirit , because I've observed that nothing Christian really moves me again
Please mature CHRISTIAN COMMENTS ONLY
-----troubled Bros

Romans 8: 14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,"


deep calls unto deep
spirit speaks to spirit
So now, can your spirit being of the Spirit blaspheme the Spirit?

fear not
and don't allow fear lead you into slavery unto wolves in sheep clothes

Odunharry:

we have people like that..

Wait o, are u a male or female?

and what may I ask is that to you?

farem:
The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul. Ultimately, all created things are under God’s control. It is likely that this evil spirit was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1 Samuel 13:1–14; 15:1–35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul; God was now simply giving them permission to do so.
GQ

.[/quote]

Not trying to denounce what you said
but you could pause to think again

Do you realise the old testament hardly mentions a satan
In fact, in the old testament apart from the snake, the only time a being that might have been satan is explicitly mentioned is in the story of Job.

In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

..cheers

A couple of years back, I lent someone 200K intended for a short period of 1 month
Secretly, I estimated he should pay back in no more than 3 months
He wasn't going to invest the money as such. So there was going to be no excuse

It's been years after and I didnt bother myself after the 3rd month

Interestingly, since I had a soft spot for him
my initial plan was to borrow him some 1.5 mil at the end of the year to sort some visa issues.

So when he asked for 200k I was happy to give him so that I could at least test the waters.
Thank God he failed in that, if I had gone ahead to give him the big one, I would be bitter about him now

OLAADEGBU:
Why was Jonah angry that the Ninevites repented and decided to follow God?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jonah-angry.html

Jonah 4 "But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry. 2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity"

God send am message, Jonah run
fellow passengers throw am inside sea
Fish swallow am vomit am
God say make him continue the message
Jonah carry bell dey ring round the city "thou saith the lord"

Jonah kak far away from the city to witness cinema of fire and brimestone
God no do anything to the city
instead some nairalanders come dey yab am saying "false prophet"

If na u, u no go vex?

wow

the narrative that was intended to be passed across has been muddled
what I think Pius tried to show was that whereas it is the bold norm for the Nigerian Xtian structure to kill the Nigerian goose for its golden eggs, the western xtian structure is not configured that way.


I'll do a little bit of muddling myself
for those looking for favour not to pay their debts to society and individuals
td jakes suggestion might be helpful
its something like this:


instead of praying that the furniture price falls so you can afford it
why not pray that you have more than enough money to afford it

..cheers

@OP

I am on the personal track. That's where I have always been. that's were I love.
they say your background shapes the choices you make in life
I guess observing my dad somehow pushed me into the personal track.

he was essentially in the general track and was fast tracked by top guns who liked him a lot.
In fact, contrary to personal track characteristics he tried to slow the fast track down because he felt it would hurt those who should be more senior to him.
When the Pharaohs that knew and liked him departed, the new pharaohs and those my dad left behind show am pepper well well.

Most things I have got in life have not been handed me on a platter of gold.
I have had to fight and agonise to get them.

If some top folks adopt me as their scion for fast track, I no go mind sha
the Goodluck anointing is the best

@ Ajanlekoko

Uhmmmm
Very interesting thread. I like the way you grouped the categories
\this should make for a good doctoral research topic


make I read all the comments before I start my own comment

mmsen:


Religion and ignorance are the same thing.

All that has happened here is one ignorant individual has been compared with another - by way of an unverified story.

The irony in this thread is astounding...

uhmmmmm
You're mismatching context dude. I'm not going to go scientific on you here as it will defeat the different purposes that you and I pursue.
Your choice of the the words "unverified" and "irony" for such a simple and believable narrative tells the direction you seek to pursue.

...have a gracious week

@mmsen

I do feel you. I understand where you are coming from.
However, It's good to separate facts from fiction when it is most needed.

No society is perfect, but some are more perfect than others.
Even folks that curse Lagosians migrate to Lagos while it is hardly the other way round.

The article was simple. Devoid of MOG issues and national pride issues.
It simply narrates very powerfully the kind of ethical thinking that can diminish a nation vs one that can make a nation sustainably progressive.

Even I won't think like the lady in question..
But I know deep in my heart that whereas the Nigerian prayer mentioned in this article if answered will make me rich
but, it will make many of my compatriots poor


On the other hand, the ladies protest if heeded, is what will make more of my compatriots financially comfortable or at least see food to eat

mmsen:
I like how you people are obsessed with portraying Nigerians as bad and Westerners as inherently good
Please go to family court anywhere in North America and see if your lopsided and backwards prejudice holds up. Watch as people lie so as to .extract money from the ones that they claim to have loved.
There are millions of people who do all that they can to avoid paying all kinds of loans - sometimes because of sheer dishonesty but other times because the terms of the loan were unjust. Giving 10s of thousands of dollars to a child with no financial training is in itself immoral.
It seems Nigeria has three main religions - Islam, Christianity and Self-hatred.

dude you've got a point.
However, Pius tried to teach us something here if only you could catch it.

Societies are advanced because they follow some crucial rules. So their need for miracles become less
if your society deviates from such rules, what they'll get is miracles for few and suffering for many.


You know how many people in Nigeria die and are robbed when travelling to and from crusades after binding and casting all imaginable demons?
Ask you Nigerian brethren's in the West how often they pray for safe journey when travelling
- Your brethrens pray and sow seeds to escape to these western countries. They in turn don't need to pray and sow seeds when coming to yours.


If we rob and destroy our country so we can give to God and be rich, we invariable create paupers of the next generation who are then also forced to cry out to God for little mercies that ordinarily God should not be bothering himself with