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وَقَوْلِهِمْ
And for their saying
إِنَّا
"Indeed we
قَتَلْنَا
killed
ٱلْمَسِيحَ
the Messiah
عِيسَى
Isa
ٱبْنَ
son
مَرْيَمَ
(of) Maryam
رَسُولَ
(the) Messenger
ٱللَّهِ
(of) Allah"
وَمَا
And not
قَتَلُوهُ
they killed him
وَمَا
and not
صَلَبُوهُ
they crucified him
وَلَٰكِن
but
شُبِّهَ
it was made to appear (so)
لَهُمْۚ
to them
وَإِنَّ
And indeed
ٱلَّذِينَ
those who
ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟
differ
فِيهِ
in it
لَفِى
(are) surely in
شَكٍّ
doubt
مِّنْهُۚ
about it
مَا
Not
لَهُم
for them
بِهِۦ
about it
مِنْ
[of]
عِلْمٍ
(any) knowledge
إِلَّا
except
ٱتِّبَاعَ
(the) following
ٱلظَّنِّۚ
(of) assumption
وَمَا
And not
قَتَلُوهُ
they killed him
يَقِينًۢا
certainly
Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha 'eesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wainna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min 'ilmin illa ittiba'a alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

In light of Ibn Kathir's interpretation, it is clear that he does not consider Allah to be a deceiver. Instead, he emphasizes the notion that Allah is the best of planners and that His plans are based on wisdom, justice, and mercy.

Do you consider your biblical narration of arrest, trial and crucifixion of Jesus as a just process?

TenQ:
So the stolen story is Allah's perogative??

Khai!
No wonder you were tongue tied with giving reasonable logical answers.
The question was about the two litigant that came to David and not Allah.

Find another excuse!


Let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

Probably when you excuse the plaguing and killing 70,000 upon the alleged sin of David as well as Moses killing 3000 for the sin of Aaron

Till then be content seeing how Allah has warned against the use of personal desire to make judgement without adequately considering the facts of dispute from all contending sides.

Or do you want to read of how Solomon surpassed his father in wisdom when they seemed to jointly deliver judgement?

You carelessly excuse the Biblical God killing thousands and are not satisfied with what is obvious as a case of inadequate judgement haven not fully considered an argument. Indeed I see and know how you judge.


History is replete with numerous instances of improper judgement tell me what has come of these?

advocatejare:

Did you know that Elijah claimed that he was the only prophet remaining who had not bowed down to Baal but God told him that he wasn’t.

So prophets are humans, they said things out of emotions sometimes but that doesn’t make it true

God gave the condition for peace to be in Jerusalem and when the conditions were not fulfilled, there was no peace. So that was not a deceit

Mr we are talking about Jeremiah here. Are trying to state Jeremiah and Elijah are the same person.

Convincely explain what Jeremiah says or show where he corrected the statement that God didn't deceive him.

advocatejare:
How did the Lord deceive Jeremiah?

By saying that there will be peace in Jerusalem right? It wasn’t a deceit, that promise came with a condition, which was as long as they are obedient and serve God

And Jeremiah falsely lay says you deceived me lord
Emboldened is not true scripture?

TenQ:
Doesn't God have prerogative over life and death again?

If God doesn't, then there is cause for explanation

Clown now remembers God's prerogative!
Put an end to your circus show!

Quran 38:26:"O David, indeed We have made you a successor upon the earth, so judge between the people in truth and do not follow [your own] desire, as it will lead you astray from the way of Allah ." Indeed, those who go astray from the way of Allah will have a severe punishment for having forgotten the Day of Account.

TenQ:
Case Closed

TenQ:
You asked the question about Why God killed the children of Israel: how have I contradicted myself?

By your earlier submission you show that your God in the Bible is not explicit about all the things he does, why then do you ask for more than what has been said?

Is this to suit your own inclinations? Have you asked this about your scripture where it isn't explained tending to stating the Biblical God doesn't do exact justice by apparently plaguing and killing those who hadn't sinned for the error or sin of their leader?

[quote author=TenQ post=126995437]1. God did not give any explicit reason why the children of Israel were complicit in the sin of David.
Any explanation would be a conjecture.
/quote]

You see how you contradict yourself by yourself? Seeking explicit reason; what reason was even given if not explicit?

advocatejare:
Did God deceive Jeremiah? Delusion
Read the proceeding verse
Ezek.14.6 - "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn
from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!
God had warned them here before saying they will be destroyed if they don't repent of their sins and
idolatry but Allah is the one that leads people astray

God didn't promise Jerusalem of unconditional peace, he promised to keep them safe and secure as
long as they serve only him, desist from sins and stay away from idols. When Israel failed in their part,
they got the consequences. God destroyed other people because of sins, he wouldn't tolerate sins from
Israel, so there's no deceit there

So advocate explain then why?
Jeremiah’s Complains in Jeremiah 20
7 You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived,
you overpowered me and prevailed.I am ridiculed all day long;everyone mocks me.
8 Whenever I speak, I cry out proclaiming violence and destruction. So the word of the Lord has brought me insult and reproach all day long.

Perhaps they should first make sense of why the Biblical God afflicted and killed 70,000 Israelites for the sin of their David when he conducted a census.
2 Samuel 24:15 So the Lord sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died.

Their David himself says in 2 Samuel 24:17 “I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[a] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall on me and my family.”

Clear contradiction of Ezekiel 18:20 which states that the soul that sinneth, it shall die.The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Regarding the emboldened they claim the first fruit of David and the alleged child of the coveted woman died, why punish the innocent baby for the sin of the parents?

Now you show your arrogance that all this is not but for sake of winning an argument.

Probably why you hide that if you tell me certain things of your own scripture under your claim that I will not believe.

Do you all deceive yourselves that there aren't situations amongst humans where only one plaintive states his case in a dispute and the other is disallowed?


A reference to Guinness world records betrays your propensity to worldly views when your own scripture tells you the wisdom of man is but foolishness before God.
Yes both persons came for a settlement and only one stated his side of the dispute and a hasty reactive statement was made to his comment without listening to the other.
Are you all stuck up in your reasoning to see this?

TenQ:
Who told you that the other person did not say his own side of the query?
Don't you Muslims insist that the Qur'an is not a storybook?

Okay, let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

If you feel that the story was complete, does it make sense to you? Did David dismiss them without making a final judgment upon the case?
If you can't answer these questions, then you will agree with reason that the narrative have holes in it and your conclusion that the rich man said NOTHING is impossible!

Are you playing dumb or actually are?
This is my brother.
Quran 38:23 He has ninety-nine sheep while I have ˹only˺ one. ˹Still˺ he asked me to give it up to him, overwhelming me with ˹his˺ argument.”
Quran 38:24 [David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] and turned in repentance [to Allah].

So:
Of course simple English tells us that one person spoke this sentence
“This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

Essentially forced isn't it yet the person who allegedly forced the order wasn't given opportunity to speak or relay his own side of events?

Does this look like how justice can be served and seen to be served?

Do you not see the lesson in how a judge should patiently hear all litigants, analyse and derive fair judgement by the grace of the all wise?

Strenuously lengthy duplication of essentially the same thing yet no reference to Quran 38:23 and still no response to:

Explore2xmore:
A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

TenQ:
Because you avoided so many posts from me.




Have you now seen it?



Again check here:





Will you now respond to each of the questions I posted in the two quotes?

I answered:

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. (tested) True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

Explore2xmore:
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. (tested) True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

TenQ:
If you had checked, you'd have seen this




And note that you were the one avoiding a response



Followed by

Show me your response on me questioning you of Q38:23

When you pretend not to see:

Explore2xmore:
A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

Q38: 23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

How then can you see the conclusion?

TenQ:
Treated from both Joseph and Mary.
Joseph as his foster father
John 6:42:
"And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he said, I came down from heaven?"
Matt 1:1-17
And Mary as biological Mother (Mary's Father)
Luke 2:23-38


But this is not even the theme of the discussion : see how you conveniently avoided my questions.

Back to the theme of discussion

It didn't dawn on you that as you Muslims usually claim that "the Qur'an is not a storybook" that Allah or is it Mohammed summarised the story . If not, can you tell us what finally happened to the ewe in question?

Is this an exact replica of what happened between the litigant and David?

If it is,
1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?

Above for your response

By the way,
How did the poor man convince the rich man to climb the fence with him to seek redress with the king

The subject of this thread is Obvious Error Of Comprehension In The Qur'an - Religion until CrystalBliss derailed it.

Perharps you can open a thread to discuss your last statement.

SIRTee15:
We debating the Miriam, Mary and Maryam conundrum. Stay on topic.
Defend the Koran alone.
U like talking off point too much.

I've told u, it u want to talk about the bible create a thread and tag me.

In absolute Truth Jesus has no earthly father. How then is his case treated?

SIRTee15:
My friend, Jews don't make reference to their genealogy with sister or uncle.
It's always son or daughter when linking themselves to their lineage.

The first time using sister or uncle as reference to JEWISH ANCESTRY came up in the Koran, a book written by non Jews.
No Jew will ever say Mary, sister of Aaron to establish Mary's ancestry. It must be Mary daughter of Aaron and Imran.

show me anywhere a Jew was linked to his or her genealogy using sister or uncle.
Just one evidence.

Muhammed confused Miriam for Mary when dictating the Koran because the two names bear Maryam in the Arabic language.
So Muhammed must have heard Arab Christians mentioning Maryam being the sister of Aaron and also heard Maryam being the mother of Jesus.
When u understand above, the confusion and extrapolation becomes obvious.

CrystalBliss:
Sister is Metaphor for Northern Israel and Judah relationship. Not blood family relations. The metaphor is used in Ezekiel 23. Ezekiel refers to Oholah and Oholibah and identifies them as Samaria (the capital of Israel) and Jerusalem (the capital of Judah) in Ezekiel 23:4. The sisters are “daughters of the same mother” (verse 2) because Israel and Judah were originally one nation, Israel.

The term is used like saying South Korea and North Korea are sister nations. We are talking about blood relations here. Mary was not just a tribeswoman of Aaron. She was his descendant. Not her sister. No Israelite would even ever refer to Aaron as brother because of his position as high priest. He is the father of the Levitical priesthood. Mary is not Mariam. Allah goofed.

the sister
'achowth (aw-khoth')
a sister (used very widely, literally and figuratively) -- (an-)other, sister, together.

This doesn't mean zit.
Bringforth historically documented persons showing common Ashanti and Yoruba heritage.

Though they may speak different languages and eat distinct foods, people from far-flung geographical locations are genetically very similar, researchers say.

Lineage refers to the direct line of descent from an ancestor, typically through the male line. It is a term used in genealogy to trace family relationships and establish a person’s ancestry.

Ancestry, on the other hand, refers to a person’s family or ethnic background, including all of their ancestors, both male and female, and their cultural heritage. It is a broader term than lineage, encompassing all of the people who have contributed to a person’s genetic makeup and cultural identity.

SIRTee15:
Guy rest u just waffling.
DNA evidence proves Ashanti and Yoruba shares same west African ancestry. But that doesn't mean they should be correcting Yoruba history on Sango.
That's my point.

If u choose to believe your wife's story over DNA test when it comes to paternity of your child, all when and good. U won't be the first. Feminists worldwide will celebrate u.
Sha don't complain when the child grows up and start looking like your tenant.

CrystalBliss:
Are you Yoruba? Over how many centuries are you the son of Oduduwa? Why do you guys love lies?

Your talk about sisterhood up there is absolute nonsense. Are you the brother of your grandfather by that warped logic? A descendant of a matriarch or patriarch is never referred to as sister or brother in any culture. Stop lying! Mary was never the sister of Aaron, Mariam was. And, Mary is different from Mariam! Allah goofed. Mary is a daughter of Aaron, as Jesus is the Son of David in the flesh, not brother.

Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - KJV
'achowth
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/achowth.html

So you have done scientific study to authenticate all the people you are related to?
Is there this much dishonesty in your family so you disbelieve who your parents tell you are relatives?

Were these scientific studies done to prove kinship by the people you read about in your bible?

Don't be a clown.

SIRTee15:
So u will take oral tradition over science? Is that what u saying. Are u arguing historical records trumps scientific evidence? Seriously.
Then why all the noise about DNA test. If your wife tells u this is your child why do u dispute it when DNA evidence says otherwise.
Abegi, this one no be talk.



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Seriously I don't even understand what u talking here. Where did Indians take enter the picture. Did their gods also gave them a story about David and bathsheba?

My friend rest. West African history u no sabi. Arab history that u follow their religion, u no sabi.

I've been asking u to provide just one evidence from the Koran that the 2 litigants are supernatural beings. U failed to give a response.

I think this case is now done and dusted. Muhammed's story is a big lie. Baba iro.
Thank u TenQ for doing a good job bringing this up.

As for my faith. I think I have debated the bible with u b4. If I'm right, we discussed the book of 2nd Peter.
I'm never afraid nor ashamed to discuss the gospel. It's the power of salvation to everyone.
Feel free to tag me whenever u open a thread about the bible and we will cure your doubt/ignorance

Something u guys couldn't do here.

Maranatha. God bless.

CrystalBliss:
Lol.

She's a descendant and can in no way be called a sister of Aaron. Stop lying. Are you the brother of your grandfather?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You decide the lies you believe isn't it?

Over how many centuries is Jesus a son of David?
Explain precisely the differences in the relativity?

Sisters who share the same tribe origins possess a unique and profound bond. Their shared cultural heritage acts as a unifying force, providing them with a deep understanding of each other's experiences, values, and traditions. This common background allows sisters to strengthen their connection and forge a powerful sisterhood rooted in their shared roots.

Sisters who share the same tribe origins but are not related by blood or familial ties showcase the power of kinship and the significance of culture in forging connections.

This surely cannot make sense to you.

SIRTee15:
Yoruba and Ashanti share the same west African ancestry. The Haplogroups E1b1a and E1b1b are found in both tribes in varying frequencies.
Go and read about the battle of atakpame to learn about engagement btw both tribes prior to your colonial division claim.

That we share same ancestry doesn't mean Ashanti should be correcting the history of sango for the yorubas. It makes no sense. Sango is a unique historical events for the Yorubas only.

The Arabs were never called Israelites, they are not levants, they were never regarded as cannanites. The story of David happened when Israelites had settled in the land of Canaan, they had no interaction with the Arabs.
Maybe if the philistines had written about David and bathsheba, I would give it serious consideration because they had regular engagement with the Israelites.

Arabs never linked their lineage to Abraham until Muhammed appeared on stage.
The kabba was a shrine dedicated to a Nabataean deity called Hubal for hundreds of years. There's no pre islamic evidence that Abraham and Ismael built the kabba.

Muhammed is the one who should explain how he came about all these fascinating tales. Simple.

Pure Bunkum. Tell me exact persons in their ancestral lineage not genetics. When you tell me a common character between Ashanti and Yoruba not geographical generalization there may be an axiom for discussion.

Where did Arabs come from? Can their ancestry be traced?

Tell me too are the Indians cut off? I know no mention of an Indian prophet in the Bible.

I see your problem is the source of information. How lowly you view the ability of God.

SIRTee15:
My friend leave all this whataboutism and give us dawah. We here to learn about Islam and its tales by moonlight, not your lecture on what u know nothing about.

If u want us to talk about the biblical version of David, open another thread. But here we want to know about Islam and to test it's book.

I just don't understand all these modern Muslims, u ask them a question about Koran, they quickly run to the bible.
Can't Koran be defended standing alone, must u seek validation from another religion b4 the Koran makes sense.

Explain to us how a poor man convinced a rich man to climb wall so that the poor man can report the rich man to the king.

Give a logical explanation to the forgiveness asked by dawood in the story.

You said the 2 men were angels and u claim they disappeared, back this up with evidence from your koran. Show me anything from your Koran that depicts them as supernatural beings.
If they have powers, why are they climbing walls like thieves.

Is this too hard to ask for of the koran? Why are u dragging the bible into your mess created by your own book?


I've debated you and other Muslims on this platform multiple times, u will never see me ducking to the Koran to defend the bible. Not once.
It makes no sense seeking validation for your faith in another religion. It's an indirect way of saying 'my religion makes no sense, so I must also discredit yours so that both are inside potopoto- mud'

My friend, if islam no make sense, try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold. if u want to give Jesus Christ a chance, trust me u will never regret it.



Are u ok? how Ashanti take relates to Yoruba that they will be ones correcting our history.
And what has the white man got to do with this? U well so? Wetin concern colonial division of Africa with our native ancient history, is it the white man that wrote it? My guy u not making sense here.

My example is same everywhere. A french man cannot be correcting the history of king Henry VIII and his 7 wives, neither can an English man be telling us what actually happened to queen Marie Antoinette.

If I want to learn about muhamed, I will check Arab sources. I wont travel to Israel to start researching Muhammed in the Talmud. Do u get it now?

Besides, If at all we should even accept the Abrahamic genealogy of Arabs, they got cut off from chain link 1000yrs b4 the story of David and bathsheba happened. Arabs are in no position to be telling us the history of the Jews.
It makes no sense my friend and you know it. If not for religion and blind faith, u would not even consider it.

David realised he did not give perfect justice haven not listened to both sides of the dispute.


You talked about Ashanti and the Yoruba mythological Sango. What do Yoruba and Ashanti share in common?


Arabs getting cut off removes a shared ancestry through Ishmael to Abraham. Please explain. Or what exactly were they cut off from?

"try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold." You say yet?

SIRTee15:
so why should I discuss it with u.
Will I change your mind if I explain the biblical exegesis to u? No?

Are you expecting me to blindly follow or come under your spell? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just saw someone refer to you as having some anointing. Oh please.

CrystalBliss:
Of course. That's why He becomes our High Priest.

What does the Levitical ancestry have to do with Mary being the sister of Aaron?

Sister by being of the same tribe.
Sister in regards of relations to the jewish temple

CrystalBliss:
Her mother of course. That does not make her the sister of Aaron but rather his daughter.

By motherly relations does Jesus have a Levi ancestry?

TenQ:
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time.

Explicitly your Bible tells you:
1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”


Now boldly answer if the litigants jointly said:
Quran 38:23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

Your repeated refusal to answer

Review the ancestry of both Parents of Mary.
Which parent of Mary makes him related to John the Baptist?

CrystalBliss:
And I have answered the emboldened.

She's descended from Judah.

You are yet refusing to answer .
Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

What stops you?

TenQ:
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time. David was a man after God's heart and he did everything God asked him to do except that he also did what he was not sent to by God like Adultery and Murder against Uriah the Hittite. I am sure you know that God doesn't tell David EVERYTHING to do like when to sleep with his wives or go to the toilet or when to worship or when to read the scriptures.

Unfortunately, If you check your Quran, you will notice that the verse on Allah bestowing wisdom and sagacity of judgement immediately preceeded his perceived stupidity. This is an apparent contradiction which is inexcusable.

Secondly,
You will note that Allah was telling a story that was already in existence

Qur'an 38:21
AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
Allah was asking if you Muslims have heard of this story..

Please, I ask you:
From who would you Muslims hear the story if not from Jews and Christians?

Explore2xmore:
Alright I agree with you here but do tell me the parents of Mary the mother of Jesus according to your christian books?

CrystalBliss:
Mary's father was Joachim according to Christian traditions. Her mother was Anne.

Mariam's father was Amram and her mother was Jochebed according to the Old Testaments.

I asked the emboldened. What is the ancestry of her parents?

Alright I agree with you here but do tell me the parents of Mary the mother of Jesus according to your christian books?

CrystalBliss:
Yes, there was a Mariam sister of Aaron and Moses in the Old Testament.

There was no Mary born to any Jochebed and Anne couples who bore Jesus.

Names repeat themselves but Mariam sister of Aaron is clearly not the same as Mary mother of Jesus.