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SIRTee15:
My friend leave all this whataboutism and give us dawah. We here to learn about Islam and its tales by moonlight, not your lecture on what u know nothing about.

If u want us to talk about the biblical version of David, open another thread. But here we want to know about Islam and to test it's book.

I just don't understand all these modern Muslims, u ask them a question about Koran, they quickly run to the bible.
Can't Koran be defended standing alone, must u seek validation from another religion b4 the Koran makes sense.

Explain to us how a poor man convinced a rich man to climb wall so that the poor man can report the rich man to the king.

Give a logical explanation to the forgiveness asked by dawood in the story.

You said the 2 men were angels and u claim they disappeared, back this up with evidence from your koran. Show me anything from your Koran that depicts them as supernatural beings.
If they have powers, why are they climbing walls like thieves.

Is this too hard to ask for of the koran? Why are u dragging the bible into your mess created by your own book?


I've debated you and other Muslims on this platform multiple times, u will never see me ducking to the Koran to defend the bible. Not once.
It makes no sense seeking validation for your faith in another religion. It's an indirect way of saying 'my religion makes no sense, so I must also discredit yours so that both are inside potopoto- mud'

My friend, if islam no make sense, try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold. if u want to give Jesus Christ a chance, trust me u will never regret it.



Are u ok? how Ashanti take relates to Yoruba that they will be ones correcting our history.
And what has the white man got to do with this? U well so? Wetin concern colonial division of Africa with our native ancient history, is it the white man that wrote it? My guy u not making sense here.

My example is same everywhere. A french man cannot be correcting the history of king Henry VIII and his 7 wives, neither can an English man be telling us what actually happened to queen Marie Antoinette.

If I want to learn about muhamed, I will check Arab sources. I wont travel to Israel to start researching Muhammed in the Talmud. Do u get it now?

Besides, If at all we should even accept the Abrahamic genealogy of Arabs, they got cut off from chain link 1000yrs b4 the story of David and bathsheba happened. Arabs are in no position to be telling us the history of the Jews.
It makes no sense my friend and you know it. If not for religion and blind faith, u would not even consider it.

David realised he did not give perfect justice haven not listened to both sides of the dispute.


You talked about Ashanti and the Yoruba mythological Sango. What do Yoruba and Ashanti share in common?


Arabs getting cut off removes a shared ancestry through Ishmael to Abraham. Please explain. Or what exactly were they cut off from?

"try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold." You say yet?

SIRTee15:
so why should I discuss it with u.
Will I change your mind if I explain the biblical exegesis to u? No?

Are you expecting me to blindly follow or come under your spell? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just saw someone refer to you as having some anointing. Oh please.

CrystalBliss:
Of course. That's why He becomes our High Priest.

What does the Levitical ancestry have to do with Mary being the sister of Aaron?

Sister by being of the same tribe.
Sister in regards of relations to the jewish temple

CrystalBliss:
Her mother of course. That does not make her the sister of Aaron but rather his daughter.

By motherly relations does Jesus have a Levi ancestry?

TenQ:
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time.

Explicitly your Bible tells you:
1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”


Now boldly answer if the litigants jointly said:
Quran 38:23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

Your repeated refusal to answer

Review the ancestry of both Parents of Mary.
Which parent of Mary makes him related to John the Baptist?

CrystalBliss:
And I have answered the emboldened.

She's descended from Judah.

You are yet refusing to answer .
Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

What stops you?

TenQ:
Unfortunately unlike you Muslims, we don't belive in the Destiny of Allah as Allah has destined David to both be wise and foolish at the same time. David was a man after God's heart and he did everything God asked him to do except that he also did what he was not sent to by God like Adultery and Murder against Uriah the Hittite. I am sure you know that God doesn't tell David EVERYTHING to do like when to sleep with his wives or go to the toilet or when to worship or when to read the scriptures.

Unfortunately, If you check your Quran, you will notice that the verse on Allah bestowing wisdom and sagacity of judgement immediately preceeded his perceived stupidity. This is an apparent contradiction which is inexcusable.

Secondly,
You will note that Allah was telling a story that was already in existence

Qur'an 38:21
AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - [the story of the two] who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary [in which David prayed]
Allah was asking if you Muslims have heard of this story..

Please, I ask you:
From who would you Muslims hear the story if not from Jews and Christians?

Explore2xmore:
Alright I agree with you here but do tell me the parents of Mary the mother of Jesus according to your christian books?

CrystalBliss:
Mary's father was Joachim according to Christian traditions. Her mother was Anne.

Mariam's father was Amram and her mother was Jochebed according to the Old Testaments.

I asked the emboldened. What is the ancestry of her parents?

Alright I agree with you here but do tell me the parents of Mary the mother of Jesus according to your christian books?

CrystalBliss:
Yes, there was a Mariam sister of Aaron and Moses in the Old Testament.

There was no Mary born to any Jochebed and Anne couples who bore Jesus.

Names repeat themselves but Mariam sister of Aaron is clearly not the same as Mary mother of Jesus.

SIRTee15:
The focus of this thread is the version of the story in the koran. U Muslims already said the biblical narration is false, so why should I discuss it with u.
Will I change your mind if I explain the biblical exegesis to u? No?
My friend, tell us why the version of the Koran is true. That's what this thread is all about.

The Jewish people wrote the history of their kings in a book. 1500 yrs later, Muslims from Arab land claimed they have a better version.

It's like the Ashanti people of Ghana claiming they have the true version of what happened to sango and the Yoruba narration is false.

How convenient?
You already see errors in your arguments before sharing with me which makes you sure I wouldn't find them credible? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I see how high you rate your Biblical Christian arguments.

Take a thorough look at yourself and the Christianity you profess. Perhaps you have done this and wish to relieve your regrets by seeking faults elsewhere?

Sadly I hope it eventually does you some good.


Interesting analogy you drive haven fallen into the colonial division of Africa that broke up tribes through the arbitral creation of colonial units and eventually countries.

Why didn't you say Benin republic and Togo where you also have the Yoruba tribe?

Don't you know Joktan who descended from Eber and his relation to the ishmaelites?
The 12 tribes of Ishmael?

TenQ:
Why dodge answering my questions as it was neatly and carefully laid out for you to respond to one by one.

You have just shown David in spite of the special wisdom given to him to be intellectually below average. Could it be that Allah failed in his mission of giving him wisdom? The case is simple to judge sir.

My questions again so that you wouldn't claim ignorance.



Hello my brother!
How you seem to swallow illogicalities still amaze me. I will proove that to you with just some simple questions.

To you, the Tafsir of Al-Tabari is wrong and you know Islam better than him.

1. Qur'an 38:20 And We strengthened his (David's) dominion, and bestowed upon him wisdom and sagacity in judgment

But you are saying that David did not have wisdom and sagasity in judgment because he decided based on hearing only the poor man speak.

Is the claim of Allah wrong in verse 20?

2. Qur'an 38:21 AND YET, has the story of the litigants come within thy ken - (the story of the two) who surmounted the walls of the sanctuary (in which David prayed)

a. Tell me how it is logical for a poor man who want to seek redress from the king force or coherse or pasuaded the rich man to scale the walls of the palace of the king with him.

b. Tell me how the security details of King David didn't apprehend them. Was it a miracle or the two men decided to be extremely quiet!?

3. Qur'an 38:22 As they came upon David, and he shrank back in fear from them, they said: “Fear not!( We are but) two litigants. One of us has wronged the other: so judge thou between us with justice, and deviate not from what is right, and show (both of) us the way to rectitude

Note that this wasn't a monologue as you want us to believe: both men spoke to the king. Is that untrue?

4. Quran 38:24 Said (David) : “He has certainly wronged thee by demanding that thy ewe be added to his ewes! Thus, behold, do many kinsmen wrong one another (all) save those who believe (in God) and do righteous deeds: but how few are they!” And (suddenly) David understood that We had tried him: and so he asked his Sustainer to forgive him his sin, and fell down in prostration, and turned unto Him in repentance

a. Was David in error with his judgment?
If he was in error, how then is the rich man justified for taking the lamb of his poor brother?
b. Can you suggest plausible reasons how the rich man may be justified for taking the lamb of the poor man?

A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

SIRTee15:
Talking about racism.
Maybe u should explain to us why muhammed sold two black slaves to purchase the freedom of one Arab slave.
I guess the two blacks slaves told Muhammed they loved their chain.

Before we further digress; Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

Did your christian God have David commit adultery and plan a murder?

CrystalBliss:
Jesus is the Son of David but He's not David!

The Quran didn't say Mary was the daughter of Mariam, if it did, we won't be bothered. It says Mariam is Mary ! This is the problem.

What are the differences between Mary and Miriam?

Was there a Miriam sister of Aaron and Moses in the old testament ?

Was there a Mary (Maryam) born to Jochebed and Anne that bore Yeshua or Jesus?

Can names repeat within a culture and people without being the same person?

TenQ:
Mary is from the Tribe of Judah, Mariam is from the Tribe of Levi.
It is you Muslims manufacturing conjectures to protect your prophet. Can you see how everyone is having different opinions?

Do you abrogate a family relation between the 12 tribes of Israel?
Anyway there are notes of exact racism in your Biblical literature so much so your Biblical Jesus made difference between the Jews and Gentiles.
Then in circumspect Paul and Christians want to force a Jesus who restricted himself upon the whole world.

In essence your concerns and errors in slandering the one the Biblical God says is after his own heart.

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

So God wanted David to commit adultery or fornication with Bathseba then further place her husband or Bethroted to be killed?

Do take your confusing contradictions to your private corners

TenQ:
The poor man convinced the rich man to climb the walls quietly with him so that he can report the rich nan to King David!?

Just look at how the illogicality sounds!

How did this happen?

Because you are fixated on a physical fence and do not know how come a chamber is private.

Private to David and restricted from many. Thank you Mr Expert of Philosophy and Logic

You see. A check is a question and you are bothered to say if it's going well or not and go on to question if you were reported to me.

Bringing in unasked questions?

Clearly you refuse to see two different Miriams born centuries appart? How many centuries apart are David and Jesus according to your bible? Yet Matthew 1:1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is Jesus literally the immediate Son of David or David an immediate son of Abraham?

CrystalBliss:
And how does the business you spoke about disprove my sincerity. Did someone report me to you?

You reason from your penis. The tribes of Israel are related and that makes Mariam the sister of Aaron the mother of Jesus? Is something wrong with you?

Mohammed picked those names from the Bible and yet was so confused that he didn't know the difference between the two people because of the similarities in their names! Yeye dey smell.

CrystalBliss:
How does the 2021 business concern you in 2023? Face the matter in focus or are you afraid?

There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.

There's nothing in the statement of the Quran regarding Mary and Mariam that depicts fits into the lies you're telling. Please tell another lie. The Quran explicitly calls Mary the mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron. Mary was from Judah. Maryam was from Levi. There are more pious women in Israel's history. Enjoy the deception while it lasts.The same way you talk outside the subject of the post.

Majority of what I posted are from the Bible assuming you claim to believe it or which book has Exodus?

Of course you reason from your ass and do not know the tribes of Israel are all related.

Do yourself a favour and do other useful things.

Anyway the business I asked of directly concerns you and not what you derive from someone else or read. It's a check on your sincerity.

@CrystalBliss

Did the Quran refer to Miriam the Sister of Aaron or your old testament/Judaic books?

What did they really say of her?

Miriam's quick wit as a young girl helped change the course of Israel's history by protecting its greatest spiritual leader; Moses, even if she later became envious.
Miriam served as a prophet of God, speaking his word as he instructed. She also was a unifying force among the cantankerous Hebrew people.
Miriam was first of many musical women in the Bible. Did she lead other Israelite women to sing: Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea." (Exodus 15:21).

This Miriam is not Miriam who bore Jesus. Know this and choose to have or not have peace.

Have a fulfilled life!

P.S How's your cashtrains bizness?
Wonder why you reserve this against religious people? Does it conflict with religious beliefs?


















While these two Miriams are separated by hundreds of years in biblical history, they share commonalities that are worth noting. Both women showed great faith and strength in the face of adversity, and both were chosen by God for special roles in the history of His people. Miriam the prophetess and Miriam the mother of Jesus are both seen as powerful and inspiring figures for believers, offering lessons in faith, perseverance, and devotion to God.

SIRTee15:
How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

True to type. You rather try to cause confusion rather than addressing one issue at a time.

Is Mariam from the Tribe of Judah? How are the tribe of Judah related to Aaron?

Must it be that Mary the mother of Jesus is literally the sister of Aaron? Why cannot this be in reference to her status as pious person?

How many people bore the name Jesus when the Nazarene Jesus was alive?

O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste.

Surah Maryam 19:28

The Christians at the time of the Prophet objected to this verse on the grounds that it was meant literally, but the Prophet answered their question.

Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse: O sister of Aaron (19:28), whereas Moses was born long before Jesus by such-and-such years.” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said:

Verily, they would name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had gone before them.

Source: Sahih Muslim 2135, Grade: Sahih

I try not to refer to hadith as much as possible as these do not always have the best chain of naration and agreement in truth with the Quran or reality of affairs.

CrystalBliss:
You forgot to ask him how Mariam the sister of Aaron suddenly became the mother of Jesus.

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

SIRTee15:
So are u saying David err in his judgement. Didn't Allah endow him the gift of decisive judgement.
Is this not a contradiction.

Anyway, unless u bring your Scholastic source. Above is your own bias opinion and desperate attempt to justify the Koran against the bible.

Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

https://muhammadsufian./2010/12/25/the-story-of-prophet-dawud-two-litigants-the-authentic-version/


"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

Biblical David’s alleged adulterous affair with Bathsheba states that after being threatened for his abhorrent actions (committing adultery with Bathsheba and having Uriah killed), David repented and was spared death. However, this directly contradicts the Mosaic Law which required the death penalty for adultery.

Perhaps even more egregious is the fact that, according to the story, David and Bathsheba were allowed to stay together! In fact, he even impregnated Bathsheba again, leading to the birth of Solomon!

Hence, both David and Bathsheba should have been stoned to death. The Bible does not even mention whether Bathsheba was also allowed to repent or not. Only David is mentioned. However, they were still punished, though not according to the Law. According to the story, God struck the child that was born from the adulterous relationship with a lethal illness, which claimed his life after seven days. This punishment contradicts a basic principle of justice laid out in Deuteronomy 24:16:

“Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.”

The same principle is laid out in the Book of Ezekiel 18:20

“The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.”

Clearly, David and Bathsheba both deserved death for their sins, not their son. From the perspective of the Mosaic Law, the entire incident was a miscarriage of justice.

Remember the biblical Jesus is yet to liberate jews from these laws and is yet to be born.

Prophets do not commit such sinful acts. We believe that these stories from the Old Testament regarding the prophets are partially embedded with fabrications and warped narrations to create a spicy/false stories.

A prophet of God would never commit adultery and be enslaved to his temptations to the point that he causes a woman’s husband to die in the battlefield so he could marry this woman who he lusts after. In Islam David is a pious, righteous king and prophet for his peoples just like how messengers and prophets of God are supposed to set examples for the people whom they were sent to.

There are other such stories in the Bible such as Lot and his daughters, Elisha and the kids mauled by bears, etc that is totally out of character.

Is (QS. Saad 38: Verse 23)
"Indeed this, my brother, has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe; so he said, 'Entrust her to me,' and he overpowered me in speech" the statement of one litigant or both of them?
What did the other litigant who wanted judgement say? Did he say anything?

Is this not the mistake David a.s committed in not hearing both sides of a dispute?
How is there fairness without reviewing the interests or it suits your goal to destroy the character of one God deemed close to him in making him a callous dictator?

David, without hearing from the other party, said: "He did you wrong by taking the sheep back, and many partners oppress one another, except for those who are believers.

You do not rely on the Bible to explain the Quran.

The story of David and the litigants, as presented in Tafsir Al-Hakam, is actually a biblical narrative from the Books of Samuel in the Old Testament, an Israliyat that Tenq, you and others wrongly rely on. This mistake represents a critical error in the tafsir, as it attributes a story from the Bible to the Quran, leading to a misinterpretation and a misunderstanding of the actual message of the Quranic verse.

As a result, this error may cause confusion and misrepresentation of the Quranic text, especially for those who rely on tafsir to understand the nuances and teachings of the Quran. It is essential for scholars and theologians to conduct thorough research and ensure the accuracy of their interpretations, as errors in tafsir can have significant implications for the understanding of the Quran and the teachings it imparts.

Question is did David have 99 wives before?
If David was so perfect in judgement how come his son Sulaiman peace of Allah be on his prophets present a better argument when 2 women lay claim to a baby?


The error in the Tafsir Al-Hakam of Quran 38:21 concerning the story of David and the litigants is a critical example of the potential pitfalls in scholarly interpretations of the Quran.

Did Temples for worship exist in Jerusalem before the coming of Muhammad?

Could the Muhammad pbuh praying with previous prophets have any essence?

MaxInDHouse:
You're the one who hasn't gotten the logic here!
We don't need an ancient Asian man if you say each person should use his or her own reasoning.

No one says you need him. Just as he didn't need you to get divine guidance.

You don't see the analogy? What reference did Abraham have besides his thoughts?

Do you not have the capacity to reason?

MaxInDHouse:
So if you want to talk about Abraham then you can't possibly be yourself because you're using the standard set by someone else: Abraham

MaxInDHouse:
Who is Abraham?

The one you refer to here.

MaxInDHouse:
Christianity wasn't created by any human the young Jewish carpenter from Nazareth started the movement to fulfil God's promise regarding the endtime.

This is what the God of Abraham said about the endtime:


May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
If your way of life is PERSONALLY yours then all holy books are not needed you should be the one determining everything without consulting some books called "holy" written by others!

Although books can provide valuable insights and perspectives on faith, they are merely tools that can assist in the exploration and development of one's beliefs.

Ultimately, the true essence of faith lies within the individual, and it is through the active engagement with the world, both within and beyond the covers of a book, that one can truly derive and nurture their faith.

Faith has long been considered a deeply personal and subjective experience that can be derived from various sources.

Is your faith derived from copying another's concept or through personal introspection? Did your forefather Abraham; assuming you have a shred of belief you descended from him, derive faith from reading pages or between covers of a book?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! We!
Instead of arguing blindly in support of choices there should be an indisputable identifying mark of true religion for us to connect all honest hearted and sincere people.
Do you know it?

Arguing? Who or what is arguing with you? Is your way of life not personally yours or are you a trail follower?

TenQ:
I am surprised that never once did you answer any of the questions below . The question is not whether a spirit is mysterious or not. I We know that it is mysterious and the source is God.

Again

Let me ask you a few questions (I hope you wouldn't dodge responding to it)
1. In Islam, what is a Spirit (Ruh)?
2. In that light, how is Jubril a spirit?
3. Are other Angels spirits?
4. In Islam, what does it mean that man was created in the image of God
5. Is islam, I what is the difference between a Soul (Nafs) and a Spirit (Ruh)


Don't avoid answering each of these questions!

What does this from my previous answer tell you?

The spirit of Allah is present in all living beings, helping them understand and follow Allah's teachings, and protecting them from evil

And previously:
Allah's essence cannot be contained or reduced to a single entity, including Jubril

Jubril plays an instrumental role in delivering divine messages, it is essential to remember that his role is just a fragment of Allah's vast wisdom and presence

Allah's spirit is not limited to a single angel or being, but rather encompasses the divine essence that is spread throughout the universe. The spirit of Allah is all-encompassing and can be felt and experienced in numerous ways, whether through the beauty of nature, the compassion in people's hearts, or the serenity found in prayer

Did Allah or God not breath his spirit into Adam? Is it all his spirit that was put into Adam?

if you are an architect and draw up a plan which you later transform into a building is it not your plan or design that you have built?

MaxInDHouse:
You're just mimicking what all religionists often say to justify their choice of beliefs!

No dedicated religionist will tell you he or she is following others they will tell you they searched for God and he revealed himself to them.

My question still stands:

How can we IDENTIFY the true religion?

We?