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advocatejare:
Dey deceive yourself, Muhammad was lost

"We found you lost and guided [you]"

“wawajadaka ḍāllan fahad
-surah 93:7


The word used is ضَالًّا dallan, which means lost, astray, misguided. That was what Muhammad was before he was named a prophet by Waraqa !


Muhammad confessed that he didn’t know the right direction:

Say, "Indeed, I do not possess for you harm or right direction."
-Quran 72:21


Muhammad said that he didn’t know what will be done to him or his followers
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."
-Quran 46:9


Muhammad did not know his fate salvation in Islam
Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."


Another lie


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Guide us to the straight path -"
(QS. Al-Faatiha 1: Verse 6)
This verse is not preceded by qul (say) which
means it's a direct speech of whoever the
author of the Quran is and since you Muslims
claim that the Quran is the words of Allah
(even though Allah never spoke to Muhammad
directly, it was an unknown jinn that tormented
Muhammad in the cave of Hira that revealed
some part of the Quran to him) then Allah is the
one praying here to be guided to the right path.
So if Allah and Muhammad were not on the
right path, how can you Muslims ever find
the right path?


Sunan Abi Dawud 66
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Grade: Sahih

If not your propensity to lie. I show you that the hadith on water from a well which has been used as a dump is questionable you go looking for others to prove your deceitful misguidance?

You divert to this when shown what is meant by something strange? Are you unable to show a fault how you too like the Temple Pharisees are struggling to keep what isn't there?

You go to books of hadith not amongst those seen as highly authentic like Bukhari and Muslim? All to what end.

O believers! When you rise up for prayer, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, wipe your heads, and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of ˹full˺ impurity,1 then take a full bath. But if you are ill, on a journey, or have relieved yourselves, or have been intimate with your wives and cannot find water, then purify yourselves with clean earth by wiping your faces and hands.2 It is not Allah’s Will to burden you, but to purify you and complete His favour upon you, so perhaps you will be grateful. Quran 5:6


Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves” [Quran, 2:222]


Oh just like the monkey who couldn't reach the high placed grapes and says oh well grapes are sour.

You don't know the importance of the kind of water used to perform ablution and the concession given when there isn't water or water is scarce?

How can an ignorant you dictate the grandeur of Arabic language used in the Quran. It didn't say Qul? Rubbish talk for a blinded one claiming to be Christian who Jesus will deny as he doesn't truly follow what he says.

Why didn't Jesus start Christianity in his lifetime?

He used the same temple of the Jews and tried to correct them?

Who did he specifically tell that he was bringing a new religion? No one yet a chief persecutors of Christians will come with the Jews and tell you what Jesus didn't?

How gullibly stupid can you get?
There are sahih hadith which contradict the Quran.

May Allah reward you for including salutations on the prophet pbuh in your response. >> (ﷺ)

advocatejare:
I thought you were knowledgeable before ni, so Sahih Muslim 146 is not a Sahih Hadith or Sahih Bukhari 2:21:245


As for the An-Nasai, let me give you the sahih Hadith

Sunan an-Nasa'i 327
It was narrated from Ibn Abi Sa'eed Al-Khudri that his father said:
"I passed by the Prophet (ﷺ) when he was performing Wudu' from the well of Buda'ah. I said: 'Are you performing Wudu' from it when garbage is thrown into it?' He said: 'Water is not made impure by anything.'"

Also learn not to think with emotion.

Go and read Quran 46:9, you will realize that even Muhammad could not be guarded by Allah

Read Quran 1:6 there, even your Allah is praying to be guided to the right path, and you Muslims who lie to yourself that you’re on the right path still recite that prayer at least 5 times in a day, that is to tell you that Islam is not the right path. Come to Jesus, the only path to eternal life

Simply a case of a closed idea of what something means. Your perception is not in order. Quran 46:9 about which you misunderstand.

Then it is said: Tell them also : "I do not know what shall befall you tomorrow nor what shall befall me. I only follow that which is revealed to me." That is, "I am not a knower of the unseen so that everything of the past and present and future should be known to me, and I should have the knowledge of everything in the world. Not to speak of your future, I do not even know my own future. I only know that of which I am given knowledge by revelation

You don't see how Surah Fatiha is divided with a part for Allah and the other for mankind?
No revelation like it had ever come before.

What is the gradation of your quoted hadith on the well water? Review what is said about water for ablution

When Noah preached how was he received?

Your Bible reads:

In the time of Noah, the world reached a peak of sinfulness:

GEN. 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
GEN. 6:6 The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
GEN. 6:7 The LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”
GEN. 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
Therefore, the Lord was moved by the sin of mankind to destroy all life, yet in mercy the Lord gave favor (i.e., grace) to Noah and his family resulting in their salvation. Only Noah’s family received His mercy, and we have no reason to assume that God warned anyone else in humanity about the coming judgment nor did God give opportunity for the world to repent.

Islam says:
No prophet ever bore such torment and abuse, both physical and verbal, from his people as Nuh AS did throughout his life. Nonetheless, in spite of it, he remained a faithful, grateful servant (Qur’an 17:3)


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Prophet Nuh AS was sent to bring his people back to truth and straight path of Allah. His people were those who had first adopted idol worship. Nuh AS is classed as one of the great Prophets and Messengers from Allah and he preached to his people for 950 years! This is a great lesson for those of us who are impatient when trying to spread the message of Islam to others. Only after Nuh AS had exhausted all manner of spreading the message to his people, did the Punishment of Allah come down on them – the great Flood!

Nuh AS is so important that he is mentioned by name 42 times in the Qur’an, and a total of 115 verses relate to him and his people. In addition, the 71st surah (chapter) of the Qur’an is named for him.

Classic commentators suggest a number of reasons for Nuh’s AS greatness among the prophets, including:

It is said that he was the first prophet to be sent after his grandfather Idris AS
He was the first prophet to warn people against shirk (setting up partners or associating others with Allah)
He was the first to bring shariah
He was also the first prophet to be persecuted by his nation, as well as the first prophet whose people were punished for rejecting his message.
And among all the prophets and messengers, Nuh AS was the only one who prayed for the destruction of his people, as we shall soon see.

When Noah preached to the ungodly people was what he said not strange to them?

When Jesus challenged the Temple priests on some of their misguided ways was it not strange to them? More so to have a citizen challenge their authority even if they were wrong?
DEC 20, 2015
Why Did the Pharisees Hate Jesus?
R.C. Sproul


5 Min Read
When you talk to people who are non-Christians today, they are usually very complimentary of Jesus. They’ll say: “I don’t believe that He was the Messiah, and I don’t believe that He was the Son of God, but Jesus was certainly a great person. He was a great teacher. Maybe He was prophet.”

But this kind of high regard for Jesus is by no means universal. Even in Scripture, we find people who reacted to Jesus with hostility, and chief among these people are the scribes and Pharisees. We read in Luke 20 that the scribes and the chief priests sought to have Jesus arrested. In John 5, we are told that they wanted to kill Him, and in chapters 8 and 10, they tried to stone Him.

When we read these accounts in Scripture, we are prompted to ask, Why did these people speak the way they did and feel the way they did with such hostility toward Jesus? It’s difficult to provide a complete answer as to why they were motivated in this way, but here are three reasons why the religious authorities hated Jesus so much.

Jealousy
The first is this: they were jealous of Him. Why would they be jealous of the Son of God? Everywhere Jesus went, He attracted huge throngs, multitudes, crowds pressing around to listen to His every word, watching His every move. He was profoundly popular among the people, whereas the rulers of the Jews laid heavy burdens on their people, and they approached the masses, the people of the earth, with something like a spirit of disdain and scorn. While they wouldn’t think of having dinner with a tax collector, Jesus freely associated with people whom the Pharisees considered “rabble.”

The people loved Jesus, and they received Him gladly, but what they felt from the Pharisees was judgment. The only thing the Pharisees looked at was the people’s sin, and so they had a certain contempt for the common people. They saw Jesus associating with the common people and saw them cheering Him, loving Him. They couldn’t stand it because they were envious and suspicious of His popularity.

Exposure
The second reason why they hated Him was because He exposed them. Before Jesus came, it was the Pharisees particularly, as well as the Sadducees and scribes, who set the moral standard for the community. They sat in the highest places in the synagogue. They were the ones who were most honored and celebrated for their virtue, but their virtue, as Jesus taught repeatedly, was a pretense. It was external. He said:

You’re like dead men’s tombs, whitewashed sepulchers that are painted without blemish on the surface but inside are filled with dead men’s bones. You clean the outside of the platter, but the other side, the inner side, is filthy. You do everything possible to hide that impurity, that grime, and that filthiness from public view. You pretend to be righteous, and you major in that pretense of being righteous. (see Matt. 23)

It's good your interest has become your obsession. Hopefully you will come to rewarding understanding.

Check and know the difference between a hadith classified as Hassan and one classified as Sahih. Then understand which takes precedence between hadith and Quran.

Also learn not to think with emotion.

May you be rightly Guided by the best to guide
Advocatejare

advocatejare:
I knew you ignored my write up deliberately especially when I showed you how Muhammad predicted the end of Islam, how Muhammad likened Islam to a serpent


Sahih Muslim 146
It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullahb. 'Umar) that the Messenger of Allah observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.

If I were a Muslim too, I would have ignored such a truth especially when you guys shouting that Islam will rule the world, even your prophet never had such a delusion

How much of stupidity will you display?

Islam of course was strange to people accustomed to acts of ignorance and as time goes towards the end of the similar ignorance will be rife.

I have shown you your biblical writings which you refuse to ponder or read to understand.

Theres is no point trying to communicate with someone incapable of comprehension.

Explore2xmore:
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

advocatejare:
Explore2xmore

I deliberately ignore you.
You indeed fail to comprehend.

2 Timothy
3 But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Before you say otherwise remember

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18.
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

I doubt you can get it!

I am not under your compulsion to answer.

Don't be lazy. Research.

I have shown you from your Bible the prophesy for Salomon to be king despite your early argument!

Is a ruler so wise and needless of Advice?

Feel free to find your answers. This thread has actually been addressed.

TenQ:
1. If verse 78 is true, kindly answer the following questions
Whose field?
Whose sheep?
What happened?
What was the Judgement?

If you cannot answer this, it means you make a conjecture.

Islam and Lies?
2. Never in the history of Israel when a king ruled with a regent or any of his sons. If you disagree, give an example!

Note:
Solomon was one of the youngest of David's children. The Elder son Adonijah proclaimed himself king even before the death of David. Before Adonijah was Absalom another of the David's sons who proclaimed himself king and drove David away from his throne. Solomon was not even remotely in contention to be king. It a shame that the author of your Qur'an doesn't know simple Jewish history.


3. Solomon received the gift of Wisdom when he requested it from God after he was installed as king over Israel. 1Kg 3:11-12

1 Kings tells us that, when David was elderly and impotent, Adonijah considered himself as heir-apparent and crowned himself, but Nathan the Prophet and Bathsheba approached David:

She said to him, “My lord, you yourself swore to me your servant by the Lord your God: ‘Solomon your son shall be king after me, and he will sit on my throne.’ But now Adonijah has become king, and you, my lord the king, do not know about it.

Why would David have chosen Solomon, the younger candidate, as a successor?


David chose Solomon as his successor because “the word of the Lord came to [him]” telling him to do so. David, due to his many sins, was unworthy of building God’s temple. God chose Solomon from before his birth as the one who would build the temple and reign over Israel.

1 Chronicles 22:6-10

6 Then he called for Solomon his son and charged him to build a house for the Lord, the God of Israel. 7 David said to Solomon, “My son, I had it in my heart to build a house to the name of the Lord my God. 8 But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have waged great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood before me on the earth. 9 Behold, a son shall be born to you who shall be a man of rest. I will give him rest from all his surrounding enemies. For his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. 10 He shall build a house for my name. He shall be my son, and I will be his father, and I will establish his royal throne in Israel forever.’

TenQ:
Quote one instance when David and Solomon gave a joint judgement over any matter.

Quran 21:
78. And David and Solomon, when they gave judgment in the case of the field, when some people’s sheep wandered therein by night; and We were witnesses to their judgment.

79. And so We made Solomon understand it, and to each We gave wisdom and knowledge. And We subjected the mountains along with David to sing Our praises, and the birds as well—surely We did.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

One of the central tenets of Ebionite belief was their insistence on following the truth as they understood it.

They believed that the true teachings of Jesus had been distorted by the broader Christian community, and that they alone possessed the correct interpretation of his message.

Their rejection of Pauline Christianity, which emphasized faith in Jesus as the key to salvation, was based on their conviction that a strict adherence to Jewish law was essential for true discipleship.

Jesus admonished his followers to observe the law unwaveringly (Matthew 5:17–48).

In their view, following the truth meant faithfully observing the commandments and customs of the Jewish faith, and they criticized other Christian groups for their perceived abandonment of these practices.

The Ebionites viewed Jesus of Nazareth as a mere man who was adopted by God because of his good deeds and righteousness. They taught that Jesus was justified by keeping the Law and his followers must be justified in the same manner. Also, they believed that God’s children should keep the Written Law of Moses alone (without the Oral Law). Thus, they believed in salvation by works.

To them, Jesus was merely a descendant of David who was selected by God to be the last true prophet. Because Jesus obeyed the Jewish law, he was commissioned to preach the coming Kingdom of God on Earth. Thus, the Ebionites opposed the teachings of the proto-orthodox Christian beliefs in Jesus’ divinity and virgin birth.

The Ebionites used their own gospel which is called “The Gospel According to the Hebrews,” as additional scripture to the Hebrew Bible. They respected James the Just as a model of righteousness and considered him the true successor to Jesus (rather than Peter). But they saw Paul as a false apostle and rejected his epistles. They only accepted the gospel of Matthew as containing some truths.

https://biblehub.com/psalms/69-21.htm

30+ versions.

See the good news bible and three others.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
They poisoned my food, and when I was thirsty, they gave me vinegar to drink.

Good News Translation
When I was hungry, they gave me poison; when I was thirsty, they offered me vinegar.

International Standard Version
They put poison in my food, in my thirst they forced me to drink vinegar.

JPS Tanakh 1917
Yea, they put poison into my food; And in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

[quote author=advocatejare post=127134986][/quote]Are they all wrong translations saying poison?

advocatejare:
I’ve given you the Hebrew text, that’s original language of the scriptures and poison doesn’t appear in that text

And the one I earlier gave is?

https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2669.htm

advocatejare:
Lies won’t give you this boy

How can you lie in the open that Muhammad cleaned his mouth by himself when the same Hadith you posted said that it was Aisha that softened the Siwak for him and used it to clean his mouth! Must you lie for Allah?

And don’t forget what Muhammad himself said:


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

“ The Prophet in his ailment in which he died used to say, "O 'Aisha!
I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar,”
-Sahih al-Bukhari 4428

Which statement recorded in Bukhari is exactly correct then?
See the witness you present saying differing things?

Do you accuse me of lying without searching for the hadith?

Oh the lazy you who swallows everything from his teachers or mentors without himself verifying!

A being that had a brain but incapable of independent thought.

advocatejare:
So it’s no longer poisonous wine ? 😂

An double-mouthed person is unstable in all his ways

Are these my words or your religious Bible?

Depending on your Bible we have gall, poisoned food, poisoned wine and vinegar etc.
Which one should be believed?

Or is it the varied narrations of the crucifixion in the Gospels?

[quote author=advocatejare post=127132069][/quote]Another translation which is KJV is the amplified bible wrong? Do explain why or become an authority of Hebrew

advocatejare:
Both your link and your Hadith confirmed that Muhammad only tasted while Bishr ate/swallowed, abd even at that the effect of poison was felt on Muhammad’s uvula and he kept on mentioning the poisoned food he ate as the cause of his serious illness and agonizing death 💀

The link mentions the hadith but doesn't agree with it or you didn't fully read?

It started:

Many Christian missionaries gave a false claim that Muhammad died because he was poisoned by a Jewish lady.

The sources they Produce : (the hadith you replicated)

It then goes on to explain the folly in this


Also :

It’s important to understand that as a person approaches the end of life, their body begins to shut down, and their immune system weakens. This can make them more vulnerable to infections and illnesses that bring on a fever.

And since you so love hadith :
Narrated Aisha: It was one of the favors of Allah towards me that Allah's Apostle expired in my house on the day of my turn while he was leaning against my chest and Allah made my saliva mix with his saliva at his death. 'Abdur-Rahman entered upon me with a Siwak in his hand and I was supporting (the back of) Allah's Apostle (against my chest ). I saw the Prophet looking at it (i.e. Siwak) and I knew that he loved the Siwak, so I said ( to him ), "Shall I take it for you ? " He nodded in agreement. So I took it and it was too stiff for him to use, so I said, "Shall I soften it for you ?" He nodded his approval. So I softened it and he cleaned his teeth with it. In front of him there was a jug or a tin, (The sub-narrator, 'Umar is in doubt as to which was right) containing water. He started dipping his hand in the water and rubbing his face with it, he said, "None has the right to be worshipped except Allah. Death has its agonies." He then lifted his hands (towards the sky) and started saying, "With the highest companion," till he expired and his hand dropped down.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:730

(Just before his death he cleaned his mouth and washed his face himself said the shahada)

advocatejare:
Neither Sour wine or gall is poison.

Also, I’m happy that you have accepted that Allah lied in the Quran that Jesus was not the one on the cross because you have confirmed that Jesus was the one on the cross and that he was given sour wine. You’re gradually accepting the lies in your Quran, you’re gradually accepting the truth

Your amplified Bible says so in Psalm 69:21
They (self-righteous hypocrites) also gave me gall [poisonous and bitter] for my food, And for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink

advocatejare:
Now you want to start denying the content of the link you posted, the link said Bishri ate the poisoned food and died immediately, Muhammad only tasted it

When you can point out between the hadiths and stories you rely on which is correct as to when Bishr died? Was it immediate, after a while or a year?
How do you talk so assertively on accounts that vary like this?

advocatejare:
Neither Sour wine or gall is poison.

Also, I’m happy that you have accepted that Allah lied in the Quran that Jesus was not the one on the cross because you have confirmed that Jesus was the one on the cross and that he was given sour wine. You’re gradually accepting the lies in your Quran, you’re gradually accepting the truth

Allah didn't lie it is those who report an alleged crucifixion that lie. Is the crucifixion story precisely the same in your Gospels?

The Ebionites that say someone who resembled Jesus too are there and these are Jewish Christians of fore.

Explore2xmore:
The practice of Salat was not a new concept introduced by Prophet Muhammad, as it has been a fundamental part of the Islamic faith since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). However, it was during the time of Prophet Muhammad that the specific details and significance of Salat were further emphasized and clarified.

Prophets before muhammad s.a.w. like jesus as., moses as., noah as., adam as., abraham as., etc "PROSTRATED" to god in a way to pray/worship god.

Matt. 26:39
Going a little farther, He fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Psalm 95:6
Come, let us bow down in worship,let us kneel before the Lord our Maker;

And:
"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..." (Joshua 5:14)

"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces…" (Numbers 20:6)

"And Abraham fell on his face..." (Genesis 17:3)

"…and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God." (Revelation 7:11)

"…then they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground." (Nehemiah 8:6)

"…Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces." (1 Chronicles 21:16)

"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did a foretime." (Daniel 6:10)

"…and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees." (1 Kings 18:42)

"And he (Jesus) was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed." (Luke 22:41)

advocatejare:
So how does sour wine mean poison? Is English difficult for you? So anything that is sour is poison? 😂

Poison in lieu of Water When the Christian lord Jesus Christ was crucified upon the Holy Cross, He was offered a sour, less than desirable, thin wine laced with gall.

advocatejare:
So have you have now agreed that Muhammad was left unburied for 3 days and wasn’t given a befitting ghusl Janaza

Did I ever dispute it?

advocatejare:
Tell me where the Quran tells you the number of Rakat for each prayer if your Quran is complete and if you don’t need the Hadith before you can practice Islam

You are quick to reveal you know very little and are perhaps too lazy to do research.

Before the arrival of Prophet Muhammad, the practice of Salat was not as structured or regulated as it is today. The Prophet introduced the detailed process of performing Salat, including the specific movements and recitations that are still followed by Muslims today. He also stressed the importance of performing Salat regularly and with devotion, as it is a direct connection between the individual and Allah.

The practice of Salat was not a new concept introduced by Prophet Muhammad, as it has been a fundamental part of the Islamic faith since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). However, it was during the time of Prophet Muhammad that the specific details and significance of Salat were further emphasized and clarified.

advocatejare:
[/quote][quote author=Explore2xmore post=127103233]Jesus at a time says he was not sent to the gentiles but these same group and the Romans give you what you call Christianity.

On what you say about Jesus being replaced on the cross as a lie do find out what a now eliminated group of Jewish Christians Ebionites have to say.
Do Unitarian Christians share the same view of Christianity as you?

You make mention the delay to bury Muhammad do research about it?
Emergence of sects of Islam is what is to be as humans are prone to do this? How many sects of Christians and Jews exist?

Is it always practical for a Muslim to be buried on the same day of death? Where is it a sin to bury on a day or few days after?

You refuse to acknowledge or respond to different sects of Christians or those who follow Jesus? Is it untrue that Jesus says he wasn't sent to the gentiles?

Is this not a conspiracy of Paul, Rome and others to state otherwise to take the religion off the Jews?

Were the Ebionotes not truly Jews that followed Jesus? What are the wrongs of the Unitarians?

Your Biblical narrative says 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth was this really the case? These are things to consider of the cut and join human sacrifice and resurrection for atonement.

In what is now Mexico the belief that the sun needed human nourishment led to the sacrifice of thousands of victims annually in the Aztec and Nahua calendrical maize (corn) ritual. The sun - Sunday for worship of the sun?

The ancient Greeks told many myths that involved human sacrifice, which has led some researchers to posit that rites among the Greeks and Romans which involved the killing of animals may have originally involved human victims.

Greek gods and myths predate Christianity by at least 700 years and the Romans had absorbed this into their belief system. Where did the major decisions that shaped Christianity take place?

The non-Nicene Christians rejected the doctrinal formulations of the Nicene Creed, which emphasized the concept of the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. Instead, they held that Jesus was a created being and distinct from God the Father. These beliefs were considered heretical by the mainstream church and led to the formation of various non-Nicene Christian sects, such as Arianism, Adoptionism, and Nestorianism.

Paul of Samosata, who rejected the traditional Trinitarian belief and instead emphasized the humanity of Jesus Christ. His teachings were condemned as heretical by the Church and led to his excommunication.

Don't bring up another of another Sabbath as there really isn't. Original tradition had just Saturday as the Sabbath.

Does Hadith take precedence over the Quran?

advocatejare:
Carry your questions to your Hadith that reported it

They quoted Muhammad to have said that the pain and sickness that killed him was due to the poisoned food he ate


Now you want to start denying the content of the link you posted, the link said Bishri ate the poisoned food and died immediately, Muhammad only tasted it


So you now agree that it was actually Jesus that was on the cross and that your Quran lied that it was another person!


Can you show where vinegar was said to be poison?
You’re just a liar like your god, Allah the Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers!

advocatejare:
Carry your questions to your Hadith that reported it

They quoted Muhammad to have said that the pain and sickness that killed him was due to the poisoned food he ate


Now you want to start denying the content of the link you posted, the link said Bishri ate the poisoned food and died immediately, Muhammad only tasted it


So you now agree that it was actually Jesus that was on the cross and that your Quran lied that it was another person!


Can you show where vinegar was said to be poison?
You’re just a liar like your god, Allah the Al-Makireena, the best of the deceivers!

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Do you blatantly deny the Bible verses?

Psalm 69:21 (ESV)
They gave me poison for food,and for my thirst they gave me sour wine to drink

Of course you like to babble.
Do you know what it means to do research?

What poison existed at that time in Arabia that was so strong that a single bite, which he supposedly didn’t swallow, could lead to prolonged suffering and eventually death after 4 years? One of his companions died despite similarly only having taken a few bites, it just doesn’t add up.

Ponder too: Matt 27:48; Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink.

In the Old Testament Holy Book of Psalm, vinegar is associated with poison, "They gave me gall for my food, and they gave me vinegar for my drink" (Psalm 68:22).

So did Jesus allegedly die of crucifixion and poisoning ? Were the other two crucified given this treatment?

Mr.or Mrs or Miss you can waste your time but not mine.

advocatejare:
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advocatejare:
I can understand your frustration and the need to do tactical withdrawal after all your lies have been exposed:

1.
You lied that Muhammad didn’t die of poison when the same Muhammad in your sahih Hadith attributed the sickness that led to his death to the poison food he ate at Khaibar, so it’s either you doing Taqiyya or you’re saying that Muhammad was a liar who didn’t know what he was saying.
Even when someone suggested to Muhammad that his sickness was due to pleurisy, Muhammad insisted that his sickness was due to the poisoned meat he ate at Khaibar

2.
No prophet of God was ever killed with poison or watch his people die from poison without intervening.

Some companions of Muhammad who ate the poison had thought that Muhammad was a true prophet of God and that he would have protected them from the poison like Elisha protected his people from poison:

Elisha returned to Gilgal and there was a famine in that region. While the company of the prophets was meeting with him, he said to his servant, 'Put on the large pot and cook some stew for these men.' One of them went out into the fields to gather herbs and found a wild vine. He gathered some of its gourds and filled the fold of his cloak. When he returned, he cut them up into the pot of stew, though no one knew what they were. The stew was poured out for the men, but as they began to eat it, they cried out, 'O man of God, there is death in the pot!' And they could not eat it. Elisha said, 'Get some flour.' He put it into the pot and said, 'Serve it to the people to eat.' And there was nothing harmful in the pot."
-2 Kings 4:38-41


But Muhammad failed and wasted the lives of his companions that believed he had divine healing powers

3.
You lied that Muhammad completed his mission before he died but that is another lie from you: Muhammad claimed that the Quran was his only miracle yet he didn’t compile the Quran before he died, the compilation was done by the caliphs and they ended up standardizing it and burning the original one Muhammad received

-Muhammad also failed to appoint a successor and thereby creating chaos immediately after his death so much that they even left him unburied for 3 days

3. You lied that Islam is made perfect but you didn’t tell us how:

Islam wasn’t made perfect as Islam divided into Shia and Sunni because Muslims were fighting for who the leader will be


Muslims have been killing themselves since then. They don’t even need any external enemies, they are their own enemies. They went to attack Ali and Fatimah, Muhammad’s daughter and she had a miscarriage, Aisha led a civil war against fellow Muslims, apart from Abu Bakr that died natural death, other caliphs were killed by Muslims themselves and here you are lying that Allah perfect Islam, that’s the lie they tel you in your religion


Muhammad said Islam will divide into 72 sects, is that an attribute of a perfect religion? Each of your sect is claiming to be the true one and that the other ones are wrong


Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia are enemies yet they both practice the same so called perfect Islam

Suit yourself.

https://islamcompass.com/refutting-the-lie-that-muhammad-died-because-he-was-poisoned/


Why compare someone cooking a poisonous plant without intent to poison and someone administering a poison which the prophet detected and survived.

Jesus at a time says he was not sent to the gentiles but these same group and the Romans give you what you call Christianity.

On what you say about Jesus being replaced on the cross as a lie do find out what a now eliminated group of Jewish Christians Ebionites have to say.
Do Unitarian Christians share the same view of Christianity as you?

You make mention the delay to bury Muhammad do research about it? Emergence of sects of Islam is what is to be as humans are prone to do this? How many sects of Christians and Jews exist?

In any case tell me are the verses of your Bible earlier shared wrong or untrue?

1 Timothy 4:7 Don’t waste time arguing over foolish ideas and silly myths and legends. Spend your time and energy in the exercise of keeping spiritually fit.

advocatejare:
The truth is setting you on fire, everything I wrote up there is the truth but you are afraid of your own history.

Don’t run away o, let’s continue. I like the way I’m teaching you Islam 101

It's not worthy to waste time with unending argument. We have addressed one issue and you see fit to bring in others; to what end? These are issues you yourself can research on without arguing with others.
You cannot teach what you yourself don't know. Your own scripture doesn't tell you killed prophets are not prophets yet it forms the basis of your argument.
Pitiable that you have a course code like it's a trivial course in college yet it is an important aspect of life. It surely shows how much of a clown you are as this is careless humour and fun. I value the time the almighty lets me have for all will be accounted for and we must not waste the gift given us.
2 Timothy 2:23-25
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

2 Timothy 2:16
But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness

advocatejare:
The bottom line is your Allah is a liar who claimed to have rescued jesus on the cross and replaced him by an innocent person to die his death whereas the same Allah could save Muhammad from poison, Muhammad died from the poison of a jewess which proved that he was fake and an imposter

Muhammad died without fulfilling his mission of compiling the Quran, his successors had to do that and burnt the original manuscripts


Muhammad didn’t make Islam perfect because immediately after his death his followers started fighting so intense that they left his body unburied for 3 days which was against the Muslims tradition of burying their dead on the same day or very early the following day


Islam wasn’t made perfect as Islam divided into Shia and Sunni because Muslims were fighting for who the leader will be


Muslims have been killing themselves since then. They don’t even need any external enemies, they are their own enemies. They went to attack Ali and Fatimah, Muhammad’s daughter and she had a miscarriage, Aisha led a civil war against fellow Muslims, apart from Abu Bakr that died natural death, other caliphs were killed by Muslims themselves and here you are lying that Allah perfect Islam, that’s the lie they tel you in your religion

We are done here.