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advocatejare:
The summary of the whole thing is that Pilate sentenced jesus to die by crucifixion but Allah said he replaced Jesus by another person and the person died Jesus’ death but you also said that no one can die for another so both you and Allah are confused because Allah watched Muhammad died from agony of the food he ate at Khaibar which aimed to get rid of him for being a false prophet and Allah could not save him to prove to the Jewess that poisoned him that he was not fake.

advocatejare:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if(see attached picture) my aorta is being cut from that poison."

advocatejare:
The Romans were the ones ruling the Jews that time and they tried people based on Romans law and your Tafsir agreed that the person in the image of Jesus was actually crucified only that Allah claimed that he replaced Jesus with another person to die for Jesus but the same you said that no one can die for the sins of others. So it’s either you or Allah is confused

advocatejare:
What of Muhammad that was poisoned like a common rat, why didn’t Allah save him from death like he “saved “ Jesus?


Allah allowed Muhammad die a painful poisoned death and couldn’t save Muhammad by replacing him with another person but it was jesus that Allah deceived people on by replacing him with another person? Why was Jesus so precious to Allah ?

advocatejare:
Be writing jargons there, I’m sure you have seen how Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir refer to your Allah as a deceiver that deceived the people.

Who made the person to appear so like Jesus thereby deceiving everyone present?

Do you consider the Islamic narration of replacing Jesus with another person to take up his image and his death a just process?

Who did Allah replace Jesus with?

Why did the person had to bear the burden of Jesus and die his death when the same Allah said that no bearer of burden will bear the burden of another?

TenQ:
So the stolen story is Allah's perogative??

Khai!
No wonder you were tongue tied with giving reasonable logical answers.
The question was about the two litigant that came to David and not Allah.

Find another excuse!


Let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

advocatejare:

Did you know that Elijah claimed that he was the only prophet remaining who had not bowed down to Baal but God told him that he wasn’t.

So prophets are humans, they said things out of emotions sometimes but that doesn’t make it true

God gave the condition for peace to be in Jerusalem and when the conditions were not fulfilled, there was no peace. So that was not a deceit

advocatejare:
How did the Lord deceive Jeremiah?

By saying that there will be peace in Jerusalem right? It wasn’t a deceit, that promise came with a condition, which was as long as they are obedient and serve God

TenQ:
Doesn't God have prerogative over life and death again?

If God doesn't, then there is cause for explanation

TenQ:
Case Closed

TenQ:
You asked the question about Why God killed the children of Israel: how have I contradicted myself?

advocatejare:
Did God deceive Jeremiah? Delusion
Read the proceeding verse
Ezek.14.6 - "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn
from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!
God had warned them here before saying they will be destroyed if they don't repent of their sins and
idolatry but Allah is the one that leads people astray

God didn't promise Jerusalem of unconditional peace, he promised to keep them safe and secure as
long as they serve only him, desist from sins and stay away from idols. When Israel failed in their part,
they got the consequences. God destroyed other people because of sins, he wouldn't tolerate sins from
Israel, so there's no deceit there

TenQ:
Who told you that the other person did not say his own side of the query?
Don't you Muslims insist that the Qur'an is not a storybook?

Okay, let's assume that Allah was detailed and narrated all the ordeal between the two litigants, can you answer the following questions

1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?
4. Please justify how the poor man was wrong and the rich man is right in this case?

If you feel that the story was complete, does it make sense to you? Did David dismiss them without making a final judgment upon the case?
If you can't answer these questions, then you will agree with reason that the narrative have holes in it and your conclusion that the rich man said NOTHING is impossible!

Explore2xmore:
A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

TenQ:
Because you avoided so many posts from me.




Have you now seen it?



Again check here:





Will you now respond to each of the questions I posted in the two quotes?

Explore2xmore:
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Even the Biblical Jesus says only the almighty God is good.

Both of them jointly said?

23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

So because David was bestowed with Wisdom it means he has all wisdom and is infallible?

You fail to understand as you switch your intellect off to see the lesson being thought on how to do justice where there is a dispute more so on an issue you have no fore knowledge of.

Are you akin to who Fela refers to as Zombie or Mr Follow follow?

How can I know the degree of correctness in David's judgement when the other persons story is not narrated before a judgement was passed. Some exegesis state these were even angels that disappeared and David realised his error and realized what he was being taught. (tested) True to his nature he sort forgiveness regretting his hasty and impatient reaction without hearing the other side.

You are in a fantasy or ai world that imagines an immediate delivery or some mystical ability to know the unseen?

When there is a dispute between two people and your input for justice is sought by them together would you have them jointly present their case or listen to one and then the other?
Please be real and sincere!

TenQ:
If you had checked, you'd have seen this




And note that you were the one avoiding a response



Followed by

Explore2xmore:
A sound judge is one who makes fair and well-reasoned decisions based on the available evidence and in accordance with the law. However, being perfectly correct is an unattainable standard for any human being, including a judge. It is important to recognize that judges are not infallible and are susceptible to making mistakes just like anyone else.

Do answer Both of them jointly said?

Q38: 23. “This brother of mine has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe, and he said, ‘Entrust it to me,’ and he pressured me with words.”

(SINCERELY ANSWER)

Anxiously waiting

TenQ:
Treated from both Joseph and Mary.
Joseph as his foster father
John 6:42:
"And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he said, I came down from heaven?"
Matt 1:1-17
And Mary as biological Mother (Mary's Father)
Luke 2:23-38


But this is not even the theme of the discussion : see how you conveniently avoided my questions.

Back to the theme of discussion

It didn't dawn on you that as you Muslims usually claim that "the Qur'an is not a storybook" that Allah or is it Mohammed summarised the story . If not, can you tell us what finally happened to the ewe in question?

Is this an exact replica of what happened between the litigant and David?

If it is,
1. Did David now asked the rich man to tell his own side of the story after his repentance?
2. What then was the aftermath of the litigation?
3. What happened to the Ewe in question: did David divide it into two?

Above for your response

By the way,
How did the poor man convince the rich man to climb the fence with him to seek redress with the king

SIRTee15:
We debating the Miriam, Mary and Maryam conundrum. Stay on topic.
Defend the Koran alone.
U like talking off point too much.

I've told u, it u want to talk about the bible create a thread and tag me.

SIRTee15:
My friend, Jews don't make reference to their genealogy with sister or uncle.
It's always son or daughter when linking themselves to their lineage.

The first time using sister or uncle as reference to JEWISH ANCESTRY came up in the Koran, a book written by non Jews.
No Jew will ever say Mary, sister of Aaron to establish Mary's ancestry. It must be Mary daughter of Aaron and Imran.

show me anywhere a Jew was linked to his or her genealogy using sister or uncle.
Just one evidence.

Muhammed confused Miriam for Mary when dictating the Koran because the two names bear Maryam in the Arabic language.
So Muhammed must have heard Arab Christians mentioning Maryam being the sister of Aaron and also heard Maryam being the mother of Jesus.
When u understand above, the confusion and extrapolation becomes obvious.

CrystalBliss:
Sister is Metaphor for Northern Israel and Judah relationship. Not blood family relations. The metaphor is used in Ezekiel 23. Ezekiel refers to Oholah and Oholibah and identifies them as Samaria (the capital of Israel) and Jerusalem (the capital of Judah) in Ezekiel 23:4. The sisters are “daughters of the same mother” (verse 2) because Israel and Judah were originally one nation, Israel.

The term is used like saying South Korea and North Korea are sister nations. We are talking about blood relations here. Mary was not just a tribeswoman of Aaron. She was his descendant. Not her sister. No Israelite would even ever refer to Aaron as brother because of his position as high priest. He is the father of the Levitical priesthood. Mary is not Mariam. Allah goofed.

SIRTee15:
Guy rest u just waffling.
DNA evidence proves Ashanti and Yoruba shares same west African ancestry. But that doesn't mean they should be correcting Yoruba history on Sango.
That's my point.

If u choose to believe your wife's story over DNA test when it comes to paternity of your child, all when and good. U won't be the first. Feminists worldwide will celebrate u.
Sha don't complain when the child grows up and start looking like your tenant.

CrystalBliss:
Are you Yoruba? Over how many centuries are you the son of Oduduwa? Why do you guys love lies?

Your talk about sisterhood up there is absolute nonsense. Are you the brother of your grandfather by that warped logic? A descendant of a matriarch or patriarch is never referred to as sister or brother in any culture. Stop lying! Mary was never the sister of Aaron, Mariam was. And, Mary is different from Mariam! Allah goofed. Mary is a daughter of Aaron, as Jesus is the Son of David in the flesh, not brother.

SIRTee15:
So u will take oral tradition over science? Is that what u saying. Are u arguing historical records trumps scientific evidence? Seriously.
Then why all the noise about DNA test. If your wife tells u this is your child why do u dispute it when DNA evidence says otherwise.
Abegi, this one no be talk.



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Seriously I don't even understand what u talking here. Where did Indians take enter the picture. Did their gods also gave them a story about David and bathsheba?

My friend rest. West African history u no sabi. Arab history that u follow their religion, u no sabi.

I've been asking u to provide just one evidence from the Koran that the 2 litigants are supernatural beings. U failed to give a response.

I think this case is now done and dusted. Muhammed's story is a big lie. Baba iro.
Thank u TenQ for doing a good job bringing this up.

As for my faith. I think I have debated the bible with u b4. If I'm right, we discussed the book of 2nd Peter.
I'm never afraid nor ashamed to discuss the gospel. It's the power of salvation to everyone.
Feel free to tag me whenever u open a thread about the bible and we will cure your doubt/ignorance

Something u guys couldn't do here.

Maranatha. God bless.

CrystalBliss:
Lol.

She's a descendant and can in no way be called a sister of Aaron. Stop lying. Are you the brother of your grandfather?

SIRTee15:
Yoruba and Ashanti share the same west African ancestry. The Haplogroups E1b1a and E1b1b are found in both tribes in varying frequencies.
Go and read about the battle of atakpame to learn about engagement btw both tribes prior to your colonial division claim.

That we share same ancestry doesn't mean Ashanti should be correcting the history of sango for the yorubas. It makes no sense. Sango is a unique historical events for the Yorubas only.

The Arabs were never called Israelites, they are not levants, they were never regarded as cannanites. The story of David happened when Israelites had settled in the land of Canaan, they had no interaction with the Arabs.
Maybe if the philistines had written about David and bathsheba, I would give it serious consideration because they had regular engagement with the Israelites.

Arabs never linked their lineage to Abraham until Muhammed appeared on stage.
The kabba was a shrine dedicated to a Nabataean deity called Hubal for hundreds of years. There's no pre islamic evidence that Abraham and Ismael built the kabba.

Muhammed is the one who should explain how he came about all these fascinating tales. Simple.