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FxMasterz:
How do you expect to get to paradise as a Muslim? What do you think would qualify you? Is it not good works?

You made the statement below and I ask you of the exact reference. Why can't you present it? Mind you I don't understand what you mean by contradicting.

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, Mohammed who claims to prophecy in line with previous prophets, brought a contradictory message of self righteousness.

FxMasterz:
Mohammed told you that you can please God by weighing more good works than evil works, isn't it?

All the Biblical prophets whom he claims to be in line with, have a rather opposing message.

You quoted from Ezekiel and I showed you how those scriptures contradict Mohammed.

FxMasterz:
Mohammed told you that you can please God by weighing more good works than evil works, isn't it?

All the Biblical prophets whom he claims to be in line with, have a rather opposing message.

You quoted from Ezekiel and I showed you how those scriptures contradict Mohammed.

By weighing? Could you share this saying attributed to Muhammad and preferrably from the Quran

Did Allah or God not breath his spirit into Adam? Is it all his spirit that was put into Adam?
Do you not exist by having some spirit comprising you? This spirit is from where?

It seems you are having trouble differentiating how everything that exist is from the almighty as there was nothing but him until he created.

All authority belongs to the almighty yet you exhibit authority over some things. Does this make you equal to God or God. Does whatever authority you seem to possess not come under the supreme authority?

The attribute seen in Jibril is not equal to this same attribute of Allah. Can Jibril do anything that Allah doesn't command done by him?

TenQ:
I have asked you basic and simple question to which you neither produced a logical or theological explanations


Is this untrue
1. If Jubril is an Angel, he is a Creation of Allah
2. If Jibril is a creation of Allah, he CANNOT be an attribute of Allah.

The Questions
1. So, In Islam, if Jibril is a spirit are other Angels also spirits?

2. I asked you a question : How is Adam created in the image or form or picture of Allah as we know that Allah was not made from mud? (Is Allah 60 cubits tall?)




So, is a spirit eg. Jubril an attribute of Allah?
And is ANY of the attribute of Allah created?

You can't answer because you prophet doesn't know what the Spirit is!

Your response is summarised with
Why bother asking questions on issues to which when you are responded you can only fault? Indeed it's not buy pompous ignorant mischief you play at

This is a serious Escapist way of responding to valid Questions. Give me a Logical or Theological Answers with respect to Islam.

The Religion of the Jews and the Religion of the Christians have answers to these questions: ask me and I will tell you clearly and unequivocally BUT before then, tell me the answers to the simple questions.

Remember too Jibril r.a is likely amongst the angels that bowed before Adam

MaxInDHouse:
What is the WORKS of the Almighty?

Perharps my statement is unclear. Doing works according to the will of the almighty.

Tell me though what you understand by the former.

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, Mohammed who claims to prophecy in line with previous prophets, brought a contradictory message of self righteousness.

Could you elaborate? I don't understand you.

FxMasterz:
The Almighty does His works through us. Our personal works are unacceptable. They don't measure up to His standard.

A person’s own folly leads to their ruin, yet their heart rages against the LORD.

Stop deceiving yourselves. If you think you are wise by this world’s standards, you need to become a fool to be truly wise.

Philippians 2:13
For it is God who is working in you, enabling you both to desire and to work out His good purpose

Lamentations 3:37–40 (NCV)
37 Nobody can speak and have it happen unless the Lord commands it.
38 Both bad and good things come by the command of the Most High God.

TenQ:
Muslims with internal inconsistent loads of contradictions.

It is impossible to answer my questions without defining what a spirit is. This is a simple exercise by both Jews and Christians.

It doesn't dawn on you that
1. If Jubril is an Angel, he is a Creation of Allah
2. If Jibril is a creation of Allah, he CANNOT be an attribute of Allah.

Your problem is with how you want questions answered to suit a fixed format. You don't conduct an investigative experiment with a known result.
Jibril is a creation of Allah as you are too.
God talks to his creation in different ways according to his majesty. Don't you talk and cimmunicate to other beings. Is this not you exhibiting an attribute similar to that of God?God spoke directly to Moses or didn't he?

2. This discussion is old and I may not remember specifically however if you are an architect and draw up a plan which you later transform into a building is it not your plan or design that you have built?

You go to hadith that resonates with what you have in your Bible?

You should consider this Hadith in a way befitting Allah without comparison or likening Allah’s Attributes to those of His Creation or denial of Allah’s Attributes. It does not necessarily mean that his Image (may He be Glorified) is like the image of human beings.

Allah says he created man in the best of forms,
then reduced him to the lowest of the low,except those who believe and do righteous deeds; for them is a reward without end.

Do you not reflect on the status of man in paradise before he came down to earth? Do you not reason the high status of man before when all his needs were available to him? In comparison to his struggle on earth before a later return to the high position in the afterlife?

TenQ:
1. If Jubril is an Angel, he is a Creation of Allah
2. If Jibril is a creation of Allah, he CANNOT be an attribute of Allah.


1. So, In Islam, if Jibril is a spirit are other Angels also spirits?
Heb 1:7:
"And of the angels he (God) said, Who makes his angels spirits , and his ministers a flame of fire."
2. I asked you a question : How is Adam created in the image or form or picture of Allah as we know that Allah was not made from mud? (Is Allah 60 cubits tall?)

With the little I have said surely it falls far below what Muhammad salallahu alaihi wa salam says and who qualifies you as a judge?

TenQ:
If Mohammed couldn't say what Ruh is, what makes you think you can say anything other than vagues about it?

Why bother asking questions on issues to which when you are responded you can only fault? Indeed it's not buy pompous ignorant mischief you play at.

I was just emphasizing that you will still do the works of the almighty.

FxMasterz:
'For by Grace are we saved through faith. Not of works, lest anyone should boast.'

Explore2xmore:
Ezekiel 11
19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh.
20 Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

FxMasterz:
You don't seem to understand the scriptures you are quoting. Man cannot by himself submit to the will of God. He is rebellious by nature. So, God works on Him through regeneration, an act of spiritual rebirth (Ezekiel 11:19) which in Christian terms is the Born Again experience. The result of this is followed by what is described in verse 20: "Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.[/b] They will be my people, and I will be their God." Ezekiel 36 which you quoted says the same things. You see, God has to put His Spirit in you to empower you in your bid to submit to God's will.

Essentially when your will is submitted to the almighty by following the directives of his prophet Jesus it will be easy to follow the almighty's will.
Ezekiel 11
19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh.
20 Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

This Fxmasterz is what Islam is about. Total submission to the will of Allah.

FxMasterz:
This implies that as long as I obey and follow the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of sin and death has no power or authority over me. To follow the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is to be led by the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God would not lead you into anything that is against the will of God. Therefore, you cannot be condemned by the law of sin and death. Verse 14 of that same scripture says "As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." A son of God therefore is someone who follows the leading of the Spirit of God, Not necessarily someone who goes to church, has a Christian name or preaches a sermon on church altars. When we become born again, the Spirit of God comes to dwell in us for this very purpose.

Only sharing and not debating.


The name Jubril, also known as Gabriel, is a highly revered figure in Islamic tradition. As one of the primary archangels, Jubril holds a significant role in delivering divine messages from Allah to prophets such as Muhammad. However, it is essential to recognize that Jubril, although influential, does not encompass the entirety of the spirit of Allah. Islam teaches that Allah's wisdom and presence are vast and immeasurable, far beyond any single entity or embodiment.

To understand the spirit of Allah, we must first comprehend the concept of Tawhid, the fundamental belief in the oneness of Allah. Tawhid teaches that Allah is indivisible and does not have any partners or associates. Allah's essence cannot be contained or reduced to a single entity, including Jubril. Islamic teachings remind us that Allah is omnipotent, omnipresent, and transcendent, surpassing any human comprehension.

While Jubril is known for delivering revelations to prophets, he is only an intermediary for Allah's divine messages. The Quran makes it clear that Allah is the sole source of guidance and knowledge. In Surah An-Nahl (16:2), it states, "He sends down the angels with the inspiration by His command upon whom He wills of His servants." This verse emphasizes Allah's authority and underscores the subordinate role of the angels, including Jubril.

Additionally, the Quran highlights the fact that there are numerous angels in Allah's creation, all serving different purposes. Some angels are responsible for recording our deeds, while others are protectors or helpers. This diverse array of angels indicates that each angel has a specific function and cannot embody the entirety of Allah's spirit. Allah's power and presence extend beyond any single angelic figure.

Moreover, the Islamic tradition recognizes that Allah's spirit encompasses all creation. Allah's attributes, such as mercy, wisdom, and justice, are reflected in various aspects of existence. The Quran states, "It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing." (57:4). This verse suggests that Allah's presence permeates the entire universe and is not limited to a specific angel or entity. Do not interprete Allah being with you to merely physically being with you but understand Allah is all encompassing of his creation which all came from him.

Therefore, while Jubril plays an instrumental role in delivering divine messages, it is essential to remember that his role is just a fragment of Allah's vast wisdom and presence. Islam urges its followers to establish a direct connection with Allah by seeking His guidance and adhering to His teachings in the Quran. This direct connection allows individuals to tap into the spirit of Allah themselves and strengthen their relationship with the divine.

Jubril, as a respected archangel, is not comprehensive enough to embody the entirety of the spirit of Allah. Islamic teachings emphasize the oneness of Allah and His immeasurability, transcending any individual or entity. While Jubril serves as an intermediary for Allah's divine messages, it is our individual responsibility as Muslims to cultivate a personal connection with Allah and seek His guidance directly. By recognizing the vastness of Allah's spirit, we can deepen our understanding of Islam and strengthen our faith.

Allah's spirit is not limited to a single angel or being, but rather encompasses the divine essence that is spread throughout the universe. The spirit of Allah is all-encompassing and can be felt and experienced in numerous ways, whether through the beauty of nature, the compassion in people's hearts, or the serenity found in prayer. It is not confined to the interactions of angels alone, but rather a force that permeates all aspects of creation.

TenQ:
That is the point :
1. You don't realise that if Jibril is the Holy spirit, then Jubril is a spirit!
2. It doesn't dawn on you that if Jubril is a spirit and is an angel, then all angels are spirits!
3. It doesn't dawn on you that All spirits are living beings.


Of course, Mohammed was asked about the spirit: unfortunately, he didn't know the answer (a whole prophet of Allah didn't know and he didn't ask the Christians as prescribed by Allah)


Why didn't Mohammed say that Jubril is a spirit? He would have been closer to the answer.
He says : the spirit is from the command of his Lord!

What does this mean?
It's not even an answer to the question!


This was the reason Mohammed couldn't answer the simple question:
1. What about the Spirit?
Shouldn't he have answered that the Spirit is Jubril?
2. Unfortunately, Muslims CANNOT even say what a spirit is: can you?


Every Jew and Christian with a below average knowledge will tell you that
1. God Himself is a Spirit called the Holy Spirit
2. Angels of God are all spirits
3. Every human being is a Trinity of a Body, a Soul and a Spirit!
4. Of course you don't know that spirits cannot die because they are made as spirits in the image of God



If I ask you this question, you can't answer because just like Mohammed, you have no knowledge.


1. How is Adam created in the image or form or picture of Allah as we know that Allah was not made from mud?
2. Is Allah 60 cubits tall?



To help you:

Sahih Muslim 2841
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits, and as He created him He told him to greet that group, and that was a party of angels sitting there, and listen to the response that they give him, for it would form his greeting and that of his offspring. He then went away and said: Peace be upon you! They (the angels) said: May there be peace upon you and the Mercy of Allah, and they made an addition of" Mercy of Allah". So he who would get into Paradise would get in the form of Adam, his length being sixty cubits, then the people who followed him continued to diminish in size up to this day.



Sahih al-Bukhari 6227
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah created Adam in His picture, sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet (ﷺ) added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and picture of Adam Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time."


Please respond especially to the question highlighted in yellow

Certainly he only lays false claims and cannot prove by the Quran.
Take your troubles elsewhere.

TenQ:
Since their are suitable words for Dowry, why didn't your Allah choose any of them

Since there are other suitable words Allah could have used such as the terms:
a. "جيهة" (jaheh) typically refers to the bridal gift or dowry in the context of marriage.
b. "شبهة" (shubhah) means "dowry" or "bridal gift" similar to "مهر" (mahr).
c. "عريش" ('arish) can also mean "dowry" or "bridal gift" in the context of marriage, and it is used regionally
d. مهر (Mahr) dowry



Prostitution is a Sin according to the Law of the God of Moses!


Why did Both your Prophet and his Allah allow TEMPORARY Marriage?

Show where Jesus says to bring the man directly.

TenQ:
And Jesus didn't say bring the man also and stone them both to death according to the Law of Moses!?

Did the Law of Moses say if one party escapes, I the other should be pardoned?

SMH!

Bring forth verses that talk on dowry from the Quran. Let's check against the words you bring.

TenQ:
Since their are suitable words for Dowry, why didn't your Allah choose any of them

Since there are other suitable words Allah could have used such as the terms:
a. "جيهة" (jaheh) typically refers to the bridal gift or dowry in the context of marriage.
b. "شبهة" (shubhah) means "dowry" or "bridal gift" similar to "مهر" (mahr).
c. "عريش" ('arish) can also mean "dowry" or "bridal gift" in the context of marriage, and it is used regionally
d. مهر (Mahr) dowry



Prostitution is a Sin according to the Law of the God of Moses!


Why did Both your Prophet and his Allah allow TEMPORARY Marriage?

Which of the verses? Besides aren't some of these verses visions or dreams which may not be exact however Moses physically made a staff and the Israelites were physically stung with serpents.

Does any Quran verse say what you type in red or someone like you that adds his own meaning.

TenQ:
So you know that the verse on the seraphim is clear! SMH!

NOW
Are you saying that this is UNTRUE about Mohammed!?

He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment,

Show these your synonyms in Quran verses.

TenQ:
1. Who then gave Mohammed the messanger of Allah the permission to do Mutah? Was it Allah or himself?

2. As long as Muslim scholars agree that Qur'an 4:24 is about Mutah (Prostitution), you have no case.

3. Since there are other suitable words Allah could have used such as the terms:
a. "جيهة" (jaheh) typically refers to the bridal gift or dowry in the context of marriage.
b. "شبهة" (shubhah) means "dowry" or "bridal gift" similar to "مهر" (mahr).
c. "عريش" ('arish) can also mean "dowry" or "bridal gift" in the context of marriage, and it is used regionally
d. مهر (Mahr) dowry

All synonym of bridal due or dowry but Allah used أُجُورَهُنَّ wages.

Wages for what service?

Are these hadiths Maudu or Daif?

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”


Please in Islam, can what kind of Marriage is made with Temporary Contract?

This kind of marriage is called Mutah (Allah's Halal type of Prostitution)


I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes in context to Qur'an 4:24 according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

How can you be sure this is not another satanic verse?

As you expect people to take your faulty reasoning without thinking.

If the woman committed adultery, where is the man she committed adultery with?

Humans are not to eat because it is a Sabbath?

So the law is do as I say not as I do.
No wonder Moses according to your Bible prayed for pardon for his brother yet had 3000 killed.

If your thinking is this shallow please say less so people don't verify the state of your reasoning.

TenQ:
Once you comprehend this verse below, you will understand what Jesus was saying:


John 8:3-8:
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought to him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the middle, They say to him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what say you? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground."
John 8:10-11: "When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said to her, Woman, where are those your accusers? has no man condemned you? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said to her, Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more."

Or

Mat 12:2-8:
"But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day. But he said to them, Have you not read what David did, when he was an hungered, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."


If you understand the above, I then you will understand why:


Jesus said:
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So that

John 3:36:
"He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him."

1Jn 5:12:
"He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life."

Also

Romans 10:4
"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Galatians 3:24-25
"So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

This is why Christ Jesus is the FULFILMENT of the Law of Moses that must be kept 100%


Too bad if you don't understand the above!

The verses are very clear yet you go to unpreserved books that contradict themselves. Same way you sit logic on it's head with fulfilling the law.

TenQ:
Did you read:
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8314.htm

[שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim.....
— in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.





Tell me, if who gave Mohammed the law of Temporary Marriage: Himself or Allah?

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”

You can see how Allah made Mutah Prostitution LAWFUL for you Muslims!

TenQ:
According to the Law of war in Israel (For the Jews) at the time of the Law of Moses, I have no problem with it as it was in the time of "An Eye for an Eye"!

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Contradictory confusion.
[Matthew 5:17-20]
17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

TenQ:
According to the Law of war in Israel (For the Jews) at the time of the Law of Moses, I have no problem with it as it was in the time of "An Eye for an Eye"!


But it doesn't change the fact that Allah encourages Muslim men to do halal prostitution as long as the money is paid according to agreement.

And it does change the fact that
I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes in context to Qur'an 4:24 according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

How can you be sure this is not another satanic verse?

Is the translation of Saraph here wrong?
https://biblehub.com/text/numbers/21-8.htm
שָׂרָ֔ף
śā-rāp̄, a fiery serpent.

Yes or no and proof of the latter if so.

Quran 4.
22. Do not marry women whom your fathers married, except what is already past. That is improper, indecent, and a bad custom.

23. Forbidden for you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal aunts, your maternal aunts, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster-mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters in your guardianship—born of wives you have gone into—but if you have not gone into them, there is no blame on you. And the wives of your genetic sons, and marrying two sisters simultaneously. Except what is past. God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24. And all married women, except those you rightfully possess. This is God’s decree, binding upon you. Permitted for you are those that lie outside these limits, provided you seek them in legal marriage, with gifts from your property, seeking wedlock, not prostitution. If you wish to enjoy them, then give them their dowry—a legal obligation. You commit no error by agreeing to any change to the dowry. God is All-Knowing, Most Wise.

25. If any of you lack the means to marry free believing women, he may marry one of the believing maids under your control. God is well aware of your faith. You are from one another. Marry them with the permission of their guardians, and give them their recompense fairly—to be protected—neither committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. When they are married, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half that of free women. That is for those among you who fear falling into decadence. But to practice self-restraint is better for you. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

All of Quran 4:22 - 25 is talking about marriage and never mentions temporary marriage.


You show أُجُورَهُنَّ stated in the Quran but cannot or is it refuse to show مهر stated in the Quran. Only refer to this when you can show it in the Quran.

Have you addressed Deuteronomy 21:
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives,
11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.
12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails
13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.
14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

TenQ:
And it does change the fact that
I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes in context to Qur'an 4:24 according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

How can you be sure this is not another satanic verse?

This your timid acceptance of Seraphim being flying serpants.

TenQ:
And I said, No problem!
As long as the serpents Have wings and
They have hands and
They even have feet!

Same lame argument. Specifically you say أُجُورَهُنَّ is used instead of مهر yet cannot show where مهر is used. Obviously that is why you failed to respond on the original thread.

TenQ:
Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.

Did Mohammed ever allow Mutah?
Yes or No!

I repeat show me مهر in the Quran verses or accept the error in your argument.

TenQ:
I gave you the opportunity to define the term أُجُورَهُنَّ

You refused and I showed you the meaning.

I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes in context to Qur'an 4:24 according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

How can you be sure this is not another satanic verse?

TenQ:
No problem as long as the serpents have

Have wings and
They have hands and
They even have feet!

Your Bible definitely talks of flying sepants.

1 Neh 17: 41 And he did straiten them in the wilderness with his rod; for they ahardened their hearts, even as ye have; and the Lord straitened them because of their iniquity. He sent fiery flying serpents among them; and after they were bitten he prepared a way that they might be healed; and the labor which they had to perform was to look; and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished.

Ask your Bible which has defined saraph differently.

TenQ:
And serpents have wings abi?

At least? Definitely the other doesn't exist and your falsehood meets you yourself.

TenQ:
At least I have shown you that أُجُورَهُنَّ is the wages paid to prostitutes according to Allah much later abrogated by Mohammed for a reason best known to him.

Qur'an 4:24 is Halal Prostitution.
Allah says pay your agreed fee after sex!

Seraphim and Serpents: A number of passages associate seraphim with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [seraphim] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6). After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [Saraph] and put it up on a pole” (21:. In this last verse the term saraph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

What is the meaning of the term seraph in these passages? It is used as an adjective designating a specific type of serpent.

Two passages in Isaiah associate seraphim with evil.
6 The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.

In Isaiah 14:29 the Philistines should not rejoice, because a king worse than the others will come; he will be like a flying seraph.

Argue with your Bible

TenQ:
Here are your snakes

Isa 6:2:
"Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly."

Isa 6:6:
"Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:"


They have wings
They have hands and
They even have feet!

Simply because you say The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 2:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used).
Is it not for you to show where the former was used to compare with the use of the latter?

TenQ:
Why should I show you مهر in the Qur'an?
I have shown you synonyms to مهر

Is it UNTRUE that Other synonyms for مهر are
"جيهة" (jaheh)
"شبهة" (shubhah) and
"عريش" ('arish)

Utterly stupid argument. You stated The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر and a simple question to show where the latter is mentioned in the Quran you are bringing questions on synonyms?


If مهر doesn't exist your argument is a fallacy..

On the שָׂרָף at least you have agreed that one meaning refers to serpant.
Hebrew has two words pronounced seraph. One is a noun meaning serpent. The plural is Seraphim. The second is a verb meaning to burn. Many scholars believe Seraphim means burning ones based on the verb seraph and so they exclude serpent imagery, but sometimes both options can be in play at the same time.

https://godeeperbiblestudy.com/what-are-the-seraphim-and-cherubim-around-gods-throne/

Fiery serpant here is what?
https://biblehub.com/text/numbers/21-8.htm
שָׂרָ֔ף
śā-rāp̄, a fiery serpent

You are the one quoting or blindly copy pasting so this discussiom is with you.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8314.htm

[שָׂרָף] noun masculineIsaiah 6:2 plural שְׂרָפִים seraphim (probably akin to I. ׳שׂ, as beings originally mythically conceived with serpents' bodies (serpent-deities, compare Isaiah 14:29; Isaiah 30:6), or (CheComm.) personified of lightning, compare arts. SERAPHIM,
StrachanHast. DB CheEncy. Bib.; Di Marti and others compare also Egyptian guardian-griffins, called Šerref; see also כְּרוּב; on Assyrian Šarrapu (-bu), epithet of god Nergal, connected by DlWB with √ שָׂרַף, see שָׁרָב, ZimKAT 3. 415); — in OT. majestic beings with six wings, and human hands and voices, attendant upon ׳י Isaiah 6:2,6.

You see yourself. Quoting things you have little knowledge of.

TenQ:
Argue with your fellow Muslims on this.

The Angels of Muqarrabun
The angels who are known asIlliyyun and Karubbiyyun are responsible for glorifying Allah, are very close to Him and have an exalted place before Allah.
“Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 7)
https://www.islam.org.uk/beliefs-overview/angels/duties-of-angels/


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What number is Surah Ghafir?

I agree that The word مهر does NOT exist in Quran 4:24 do show another verse where it exists. Is that not simple enough?

וַיְשַׁלַּח יְהוָה בָּעָם, אֵת הַנְּחָשִׁים הַשְּׂרָפִים, וַיְנַשְּׁכוּ, אֶת-הָעָם; וַיָּמָת עַם-רָב, מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל

And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died Num 21:6

Tendency to use Israliyat to interpret Quran.
Here is Quran 40:7 show me ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ in it:
ٱلَّذِينَ يَحْمِلُونَ ٱلْعَرْشَ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهُۥ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِۦ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ رَبَّنَا وَسِعْتَ كُلَّ شَىْءٍۢ رَّحْمَةًۭ وَعِلْمًۭا فَٱغْفِرْ لِلَّذِينَ تَابُوا۟ وَٱتَّبَعُوا۟ سَبِيلَكَ وَقِهِمْ عَذَابَ ٱلْجَحِيمِ ٧

The challenge is very simple and you are dancing like a jelly fish. Show me a verse in the Quran with مهر in it.
When you can produce this we have a basis for further discussion.

TenQ:
You suddenly rebooted!
LOL!!

What if a call you a liar? (for the highlight)
I challenge you to prove me wrong even from Numbers 22 if you dare!
1. In Hebrew, the word for "viper" is "צִפְעוֹנִי" (tzif'oni).
2. In Hebrew, "bronze serpent" is "נְחַשְׁתָּן נְחָשׁ" (nechash tan nachash),
3. In Hebrew, "fiery serpent" is "נְחָשִׁים שְׂרָפִים" (nachashim seraphim).
4. In Hebrew, "serpent" is "נָחָשׁ" (nachash).

"Seraphim" (שְׂרָפִים in Hebrew) is used to describe a type of celestial being or angelic creature. The term "seraph" is derived from the Hebrew word "שָׂרָף" (saraph), which means "burning" or "fiery."


If you copied this from an Islamic site, they are LIARS!
I gave you a challenge, I prove me wrong!



Argue with your fellow Muslims on this.

The Angels of Muqarrabun
The angels who are known asIlliyyun and Karubbiyyun are responsible for glorifying Allah, are very close to Him and have an exalted place before Allah.
“Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore forgiveness for those who believe.” (Surah Ghafir, 7)
https://www.islam.org.uk/beliefs-overview/angels/duties-of-angels/


Since it seems you don't understand English language again, I let me break it down for you.

I said:

Meaning :
1. The word أُجُورَهُنَّ was used in the Qur'an 4:24
2. The word مهر was not used in Qur'an 2:24 (rather أُجُورَهُنَّ was used)
3. The question was why the more appropriate word for dowry مهر was NOT used but أُجُورَهُنَّ?


So, will you now answer my Questions hoping that you now understand the simple English!


There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu ?

Indeed you forget at most in a little over 24 hrs.

The name Seraphim:
Meaning
Vipers, Burners
Etymology
From the verb שרף (sarap), to burn.

Śerāphîm and Serpents: A number of passages associate śerāphîm with serpents. As a result of the Israelites’ rebellion in the wilderness the Lord sent “venomous [śerāphîm] snakes among them” (Num. 21:6).* After the people confessed their sin, the Lord ordered Moses “to make a snake [śārāph] and put it up on a pole” (verse8). In this last verse the term śārāph refers back to the full phrase “venomous [śeraphîm] snakes.” In Deuteronomy 8:15 the wilderness is described as a “thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes [nāchāš śārāph, literally, “seraph snake”] and scorpions.”

NairaLTQ:
[b]Here is the Seraphim [/b]before Isaiah
Isa 6:1-7:
"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly. And one cried to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the middle of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphim to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it on my mouth, and said, See, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin purged."
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You know nothing sir!

TenQ:
1. You forget that Islam has the Cherubim copied from the Jews!
In Islam, al-Karubiyyin or al-muqarraboonn refers to the highest angels near to God true or false.

2. Seraphim
a. The Hebrew word for "serpent" or "snake" is "נָחָשׁ" (pronounced as "nachash".

b. The Hebrew word for "venomous" or "poisonous" is "רָע" (pronounced as "rah". This word can be used to describe something that has venom or poison.

So, please show us how seraphims are associated with serpents.

3. Can you show me where I said or claimed that the word "Mahr" is in the Qur'an for I never did.

For your reference since you look dazed highlighted in yellow. Does it say مهر is in the Qur'an?


If you had been just brave enough to answer my questions, please you would not be this confused!

Are you ready to answer my questions now?

Hope some confusion isn't setting in?

وَٱلسَّـٰبِقُونَ ٱلسَّـٰبِقُون٠
They are the ones nearest ˹to Allah
أُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ ٱلْمُقَرَّبُونَ
and the foremost ˹in faith˺ will be the foremost ˹in Paradise˺

Are the Muqarabeen not those foremost in faith? Aren't these humans rewarded with paradise? Where and how do you mix them up with your Cherubim?

You wrote:

TenQ:
The burden of any proof of Kab al-Ahbar is on you. What was my claim on him that requires a proof?


Yes, Qur'an 4:24 speaks of women lawful for you Muslims and it include Mutah.

Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


1. You are forbidden to have sex with married women unless they are your captives in war, why then it becomes legal.
2. Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.

Did Mohammed ever allow Mutah?
Yes or No!

And I asked for مهر in the Quran?
Because you say:

TenQ:
There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.

Explore2xmore:
You are too anxious!
I have answered you in my post before this.
Okay let me part answer your updated question, which verse of the Quran has مهر in it?