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Now you did not appropriately tag the hadith in your original post. And you still mistag here. Why?

TenQ:
Here is

Sahih al-Bukhari, [b]Book 62, Hadith 52:[/b]
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."

Narrated Salama:
`Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Messenger ?" So `Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Messenger said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came `Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is `Ali." Allah's Messenger gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.
Bukhari 62 Hadith 52

TenQ:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52 is Also repeated in Hadith by Muslim with respect to Qur'an 5:87

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Narrated `Ali:
I said to Ibn `Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 52

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa`:

While we were in an army, Allah's Messenger came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 54

Do the immediate two hadith above this writing not contradict each other?

Then:
Salama bin Al-Akwa` said:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)'s said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu `Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: `Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 55

Why do you insist on describing Islam with literature that obviously contradict each other.


I don't have the time to show you all the hadith that forbid this mutah you refer to but will paste a link for you to see.

https://sunnah.com/search?q=temporary+marriage

You will read hadith from Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, Abi Dawud, Bulugh etc. forbidding Mutah

Why do you now cross out the arabic words? I simply asked you to explain them and their relevance. Does the crossing mean a withdrawal of the question?

Can you also quote this your Bukhari hadith in full as I am finding hadith of this specification with different content?

TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?

TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?

As you insist on using hadith to derive the meaning of Quran verses can you help choose which is to be taken:
Ibn Kathir reports:
`Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said, “This Ayah ﴿5:87﴾ was revealed about some of the Companions of the Prophet who said, `We should cut off our male organs, abandon the desires of this life and travel in the land, just as the Ruhban (monks) do.’ When the Prophet heard of this statement, he summoned them and asked them if they made this statement and they answered `Yes.’ The Prophet said:
I fast and break my fast, pray and sleep, and marry women. Whoever follows my Sunnah is of me, and whoever abandons my Sunnah is not of me. Ibn Abi Hatim also collected this Hadith. Ibn Marduwyah recorded that Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas narrated a similar Hadith. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that `A'ishah said that some of the Companions asked the wives of the Prophet about the acts of worship that he performed in private. One of them said, "I will not eat meat,'' another said, "I will not marry women,'' while the third said, "I will not sleep on the bed.'' When the Prophet heard this statement, he said,What is the matter with some people who said such and such I fast and break the fast, sleep and wake to stand to pray, eat meat, and marry women. He who is not pleased with my Sunnah is not of me.Allah's statement and transgress not means, do not exaggerate and make it hard for yourselves by prohibiting the permissible things Do not transgress the limits by excessively indulging in the permissible matters; only use of it what satisfies your need; and do not fall into extravagance

Al- Maududi says:
This verse embodies two directives. The first is that man should not attribute to himself the authority to proclaim things either lawful or unlawful according to his own wishes. Only that which God has held to be lawful is lawful, and only that which God has declared unlawful is unlawful. If men were to declare certain things either lawful or unlawful on their own authority, they would not be following the law of God but their own laws. The second directive is that they should not adopt the course of world-renunciation and abstention from worldly pleasures as the Christian monks, Hindu mendicants, Buddhist bhikshus and illuminist mystics did. Religious-minded and virtuous people have always tended to consider their physical and carnal desires an impediment to spiritual growth. They have considered suffering, deprivation from worldly pleasures and abstention from the means of worldly sustenance to be acts of goodness and indispensable for achieving proximity to God. Even some of the Companions leaned in this direction. The Prophet (peace be on him) once came to know that some Companions had resolved that they would fast without interruption, that instead of spending the night on their beds they would remain awake praying, that they would consume neither meat nor fat, and would have no (sexual) relations with women. The Prophet (peace be on him) addressed the people on this subject and said: ‘I have not been commanded to do so. Even your own self has rights against you. So, fast on certain days and refrain from fasting on others. Stay awake praying at night and also sleep. Look at me; 1 sleep as well as stay awake (praying); sometimes I fast and sometimes I don’t. I consume meat as well as fat. Whosoever dislikes my way does not belong to me.’ He then added: ‘What has happened to people that they have prohibited for themselves women, good food, perfumes, sleep and the pleasures of the world, whereas I have not taught you to become monks and priests. In my religion there is neither abstention from women nor from meat, neither seclusion nor withdrawal.

For the purposes of self-control my religion has fasting. As for monasticism, all its benefits can be derived from jihad (struggle in the way of God). Serve God and associate none with Him. Perform Hajj and ‘Umrah, establish Prayers, dispense Zakah and observe the fasts of Ramadan. Those who were destroyed before you were destroyed because they were severe with themselves, and when they became severe with themselves God became severe with them as well.

You can see Ibn Kathir and Maududi are more encompassing in discussing this verse.

Do tell me the difference between مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر as well as it's relevance to this discussion.

TenQ:
The burden of any proof of Kab al-Ahbar is on you. What was my claim on him that requires a proof?

Finally he covetly admits he cannot present anaything. Maybe I will tell you some in a subsequent post.

TenQ:
Yes, Qur'an 4:24 speaks of women lawful for you Muslims and it include Mutah.

Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


1. You are forbidden to have sex with married women unless they are your captives in war, why then it becomes legal.
2. Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.

Q4:24And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Point of focus italicised and emboldened.
(You seek them in marriage) and (desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse.

Or another translation of the meaning:
Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

TenQ:
Yes or No: Do you practice Mutah?

What do the Quran verses you present say? Do they talk about Mutah?

You are unable to provide up to 3 hadith from or with Kab al abhar in the chain of narration and are diverting from the subject. Why? To cover your inability?

Can you not comprehend what is stated in Bukhari not to follow laws outside the Quran?

Which command do you accuse me of not following? Did I snatch your wife which is what 4:24 and 5:87 refer to? I doubt we have ever even met in person.

You are the one that often refers to hadith for no other cause than to claim errors in Islam without even understanding what hadith is about.

Concisely state your arguments and premise for wrong conclusions.

TenQ:
Here is Bukhari 2155
Sahih al-Bukhari 2155
Narrated `Aisha:
Allah's Messenger came to me and I told him about the slave-girl (Barirah) Allah's Messenger said, "Buy and manumit her, for the Wala is for the one who manumits." In the evening the Prophet got up and glorified Allah as He deserved and then said, "Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah's Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable."

So, why aren't you obeying Allah's commands?


Then why do you disregard the command of Allah in Qur'an 4:24 knowing that you should not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you according to Qur'an 5:87.

Here are laws you impose which are not present in Allah's book
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."

FxMasterz:
That's how they do. In one breath they'll reverence their books as holy books, in another breath, they'll deny the same books whenever incriminating evidences stare them in the face. You'll quote from their Quran directly, they'll call you a liar. Very funny guys.

And you rely on what neither Allah nor his prophet say muslims should refer to?

Perhaps it's a lot like Paul's encounter with Jesus pbuh after his passing that significantly controls the new testament.
What irrefutable proof is there that Paul indeed met Jesus? Did Jesus appear to the living apostles to affirm the status of Paul?

You didn't confirm or deny this too.

Confirm or deny if Sahih Bukhari 2155 says:
....Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah’s Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah’s Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable.”.....

Do you not try to place an importance on hadith when neither Allah nor Muhammad pbuh placed any importance on them?

TenQ:
Is your Quran, the book of your Allah even comprehensive?

If it is comprehensive, I why do you need thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to back it up?

You Muslims even dispute on your own Tafsirs and you claim comprehensiveness!

Your Hadith is even less than comprehensive.
Bukhari has 7563 Hadiths
Muslim country has 3033 Hadiths

Do you even care to know the difference?
4,530
Only in Islam is this difference insignificant.

Finally,
If everything outside the Qur'an is invalid, why don't you practice Mutah (Holy Prostitution)
Do you or do you not practice nikāḥ al-mutʿah?

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, you're unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that TenQ is a hearsay speaker. We have no reason to take you seriously.

Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive

TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
[i]If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. He cannot find this there yet he carries one saying from wherever to prove a false point.

He ignores a clear statement in Buhari that everything outside the Quran is invalid.

We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader

TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

What did your prophet command you to do with camel urine in Bukhari and Muslim?

On a serious note:
You were the one who introduced Kab al-Ahbar to the chat as I don't know him. You are the one who should bring evidence of his connection with me.

You are the one who REJECT you own hadiths not me. One of your excuse was that Kab al-Ahbar was a major source of fake Hadiths in your compilations.

Now, According I check through and I saw that your most rever hadith compilation by Bukhari and Muslim hardly mentioned hadiths from him.

How is that my problem?
It is your problem : solve it!

Now you modify your argument to how comprehensive they are. Why did you emphasise on them in the first place?

You claim you don't know Kab al abhar but mentioned one or two jews that became muslim. Also their influence on Abu Hurayrah etc. Are you bothered about saying all you know?

Stop diverting and answer appropriately

TenQ:
Do you believe ALL hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari?
I am sure, but you will say no!
Then, tell us if Kab al-Ahbar was the one who fabricated the hadiths you reject!

You forget that your argument was that Kab al-Ahbar inserted daif and corrupt hadiths into your hadiths. Now we can't find them in Bukhari and Muslim YET to you still reject some hadiths from them. Who are you fooling?

Are you affirming that Bukhari and Muslim collected only authentic hadiths?
Since several hadiths are not common amongst hadith collectors, your question about Mohammed's urine is irrelevant.


How did Jewish Chidren bedtime story enter the Qur'an as scripture?
Solomon's flying carpet!
Ants talking to themselves about Solomon!
Solomon's army etc
How would you ask me about hadiths of Kab al-Ahbar that were rejected?
Am I a Muslim?




See how you twist language like shaitan!
SMH!
That God needs to create the world through something else
No wonder, non of you Muslims have been able to explain how Jesus is
the Word of/from Allah
the Spirit of/from Allah
a Prophet of Allah?

No wonder you don't understand that Jibril is a spirit and yet became a perfect man.
You don't even know what a spirit is!
Do you!?


Please when you can answer my questions convincingly on these, I then I will consider you ready for knowledge.

Why are you grasping at the air?
You have used Buhari and Muslim as a yardstick? I ask which of Bukhari hadith has Kab al abhar in its chain? Which of the 600,000 or 300,000 you say that were collected and probably rejected has al abhar in it? You cannot produce?

Based on your Buhari yardstick I ask of the one that has a report on the medicinal use of the prophet's pee? Can't you produce it?

Produce this first before we go into the story telling or not of Jewish writing on a man who himself was a Jew or was Jesus not a Jew?

TenQ:
1. The Bible never said that Jesus molded a bird and brought it to life. The writers of the gospel probably forgot to include it as one of the miracles of Jesus
2. The Bible says Jesus created everything seen and unseen.
3. You will need to first ask Allah why after Adam and Eve, he never created any other human being: then ask why Jesus Didn't create a human being.

You seem not to know that molding a figure into any form is the easy part, giving it life is the difficult one. Jesus did both.


The way you blame your Jewish scapegoat Kab al-Ahbar, one would think that all your Daif and Maudu hadiths are from him. I was surprised to find out that neither Bukhari nor Muslim quoted him extensively.
Kab al-Ahbar unfortunately, he died as a Muslim which weakens your position.

Too bad sir, it seems the majority of Muslims are confirmed liars else, there is no need to begin to grade hadiths and be cherry-picking as you do.



You and your prophet don't even know when Jewish Midrash fables entered the Qur'an and Allah never knew that the story wasn't part of the scriptures. SMH!

Children's bed time stories entered the Qur'an!?



Mat 1:21:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall [i]save his people from their sins."[/i]
Of course, He is coming back again for the harvest of His own

John 3:15-17:
"That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
So, non of just as Moses saved the physical Israel to their destination-Israel, Jesus is saving His own people to their destination - Paradise.


There is a question I've been asking Muslims for ages now to no avail.

Why was the Messiah in the world with his outstanding nature?
Do you know?




Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim like you, I deal with him.
What is the average percentage estimate of hadiths related by Kab al-Ahbar?

Still unable to answer?

Are Buhari and Muslim the only books of hadith?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected? Or you cannot find any of his sayings at all?

If Buhari collected only authentic hadith where is the hadith in Buhari that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee?

You cannot answer these directly?

On Jesus creating everything you are off and the Bible literature is strange that the almighty God needs to create the world through something else. We will discuss these perhaps later but on the primary subject lets finish first.

Impressive display replying before evening.
The Bible and Quran refer to moulding a bird figure and bringing this to life.
Why isn't a human moulded and brought to life? Does this not show a limitation?

I ask you about him as you often say you know more of Islam than me to prove my lack of understanding or the scholars. Going as far as to abuse the honoured prophet of Islam and Allah the creator and sustainer of all.
I ask about him because of his position in relation to hadith which you are quick to bring up in support of your misguided untrue claims.

You search for hadith in Buhari and Muslim but do not strictly refer to hadith from them in your futile mission. Are you sure you have gone through all the narrators in the hadith of these two?

Are they the only books of hadith. At best they are 2 of 6 books recognised but still there are other hadith books or if you prefer look in the seerah.

Did Jesus understand the language of other animals like Solomon? Did he reassemble and liberate the Israelites like Moses yet all his apostles forsake him after his arrest and were still persecuted after his disappearance?

Ask yourself if your focus on Jesus beclouds you from the real God and truth of this?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected if Buhari collected only authentic hadith. P.S also share the hadith in Buhari and Muslim that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee.

Still some time before evening.

TenQ:
It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird
And
I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper,
and
I give life to the dead -
And
I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses.

Who is the one DOING these things according to your Qur'an?

Do people need to be convinced that God has power by MAN doing only things God should be able to do?



Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim and he died a Muslim, why ask me about him. He is related to you and not me. Is Kab al-Ahbar a Christian?

On a more serious note:
I searched for his hadiths and I discover that he has zero hadith mentioned by Bukhari and just two from Muslim.
But you talk as if he corrupted more than half of your hadiths.
Solve your hadith causing embarrassment problems by yourself or are you employing me to help you do so?

Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!

Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

FxMasterz:
Only God can create life. Humans, angels and Satan can create organizations, designs, fashions, weapons even new terminologies, technologies, religions, etc.

What we can't do is that we cannot create life. Only God can create life.

Did the Messiah create a hunan being? Was the bird creation not a miracle to convince of the power of the almighty?
If the Messiah is so powerful how come he knows not of the exact date of the hour?

Focus Tenq. Where are the hadiths of Kab al Abhar? Perhaps you can emphasise the ones fabricated. Hope to read from you in the late evening.

TenQ:
Only the Messiah creates LIFE but by the permission of Allah! LOL!

I can fly a plane too, but but only by the permission of the FAA!? Does it make sense to you?


Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!



Qur'an 3:49
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allāh. And I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allāh. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.


Qur'an 5:110
[The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind [from birth] and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

FxMasterz:
My friend, Jesus came before Mohammed. He was prophesied of God before His arrival. He accomplished everything that was Prophesied about Him, including the exchange of His life for the redemption of the world. The greatest blow Jesus dealt Satan was His death on the cross. His death on the cross permitted Him to operate against Satan in the spirit realm as a man and recover man's lost glory for man.

This death, which is Christ's greatest accomplishment and Satan's greatest woe is what Satan created Islam to deny. Remove the death of Christ from everything in His existence, and His coming to the world immediately becomes useless. It's Christ's death that is the Hallmark of Christianity. That is the seal of salvation. It is the emblem of Satan's eternal defeat.


To conceal his defeat and keep men in perpetual ignorance, he created Islam to deny that Christ died and resurrected. Meanwhile, the Jesus portrayed in the Quran is a false Jesus. That Jesus isn't the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible came into the world through the Virgin birth purposely to make His soul an offering for sins. He actually came here as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

Tell me why Islam denies the same death that is the core message of salvation. Tell me why Islam denies the death of Christ which is the greatest blow satan suffered in all of eternity. The only one who can deny such event is that Satan who was most affected by it, and wants to keep people ignorant regarding the defeat he suffered on the cross. This truth has been spreading around the world for 600yrs before Satan created Islam to deny this truth regarding Satan:s defeat. You can choose what to believe but I know that the Original always appears before a counterfeit is created. Islam cannot be original because it was created as a counterfeit to counter Christianity. And, you'll soon see the reason why. The most important counter Satan needs is to deny the death and the resurrection of Christ because therein lies Satan's defeat. If Christ didn't die for sins, the Virgin birth is Useless. Thankfully, your Quran does not deny the virgin birth, but it denies the purpose of it. Why? Islam is claiming that Jesus indeed came into the world as promised but did not fulfil the purpose for which He was born.

If such an event as the death and resurrection of Christ is being denied 600yrs after it happened, now, you can easily decipher who authored the Quran and the purpose for which Islam was invented.

FxMasterz:
I'l answer the biblical question you raised but I wouldn't want to digress on the topic being discussed.

I never said Allah was Satan. I only showed you a video that demonstrates how words were wrongly translated in the Quran. The content of that video wasn't my focus.

Now, let's take the word makir as an example. You can't give it a meaning it never has just because of the context in which it is used in the Quran. It can't have a different meaning in the Quran other than the meanings for which it is already know in the Arabic Dictionary. See it's meaning in the screenshot below.

Now, regarding the Bible verses you raised, please understand that the Old Testament was never intended as a religious book. It was written only as a book to record Israel's history as well as document the activities and gemology of Israelites, their kings and Prophets. They were later adopted as religious books because of the spiritual insights they give on how to walk with God. The main religious books are the 5 books of Moses also called the Torah.

Now, there are two recorders of same events in the verses you referenced. These two people wrote according to their understanding of what God is. In Hebrew theology, it is generally believed that both good and evil come from God. The writer who holds this ideology wrote that God did move David to number Israel. The other writer who holds a different ideology, wrote that Satan moved David to number Israel. So, the verses don't express God as being Satan or vice versa. The Bible was not written verbatim by God. God moved people to write, and while they did so, God did not take their understanding from them. That's why the Spirit of God dwells in us to give us the true message and gems of scripture. The letters of the Bible kill, it is the Spirit that gives life.

The above explanations do not hold for the Quran because the Quran claims to be the verbatim word of God.

I appreciate your response. Who knows the nairaland technology for bans in full detail.
Your letters are of very large font size.

You rightly wrote in agreement with the concept of words having different meanings dependent upon context of use. It seems you are more inclined to the negative verb or word forms which you will agree does not eliminate a positive meaning. Varied meanings of the noun form of ماكِر (Makir) are presented.

You stated yesterday that Allah was satan which indeed is extremely far from the truth however your Bible seems to clearly indicate an equivalence of the two.

In 2 Sam 24:1 it is written that the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

Yet in 1 Chron 20:1 it reads Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Was it Satan or God that incited David and are they alter ego to each other?

FxMasterz:
I actually replied you yesterday but bots banned me. I don't actually know why. I screenshot the post after I was banned. Please read my reply in the screenshots below:

Now I grow concerns about you. You post and highlight from my previous post yet you still ask? Is it that you don't understand?

Does Bukhari have Kab al Ahbar in the sanad of Hadith he collected and compiled?
Now you claim some clairvoyance to read my mind? Wrong again.

If talk is as cheap as you say are all your sayings too cheap or you exclude yourself from this?

Take some more time but not all the time and tell what impact Kab al Ahbar has on hadith and perhaps the truth you claim to uphold in hadith.

TenQ:
I can read you like a book without fail.

Talk is cheap sir!

Your insinuation was not about Al-Suyuti or Musnad Ahmad, Tabari but about hadiths in general.
Here was your post


Did you or did you not mention Bukhari?


Please answer my questions or have a good day.



However and on a serious note since you don't want to answer my previous questions. Can you please answer these five short questions?

1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?

Please number your response for each question you are responding to!

TenQ:
You can't force me to say I know a person or persons who I've never even heard of their name. So, you can have it your way with whatever you think about me.


However and on a serious note since you don't want to answer my previous questions. Can you please answer these five short questions?

1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?

Please number your response for each question you are responding to!

That is not how this works. You cannot have me first answer to benchmark what you may or may not know. Hadith's collected in Bukhari and Muslim are not all that are classified as Sahih or are they?

You have quoted Imam Al-Suyuti and Musnad Ahmad as proof in your posts? Are you saying these are less reliable than Buhari and Muslim you have chosen?

You make bold to say 90% of hadith are fake? You limit this claim to 300,000 hadith when Bukhari alone collected 600,000 hadith. These are not adding up? What's going on?

TenQ:
Me!?
Divert!?
Not possible!

1. You see me as the enemy of Allah and Islam, can so I ask:

You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?


2. You in avoiding my question, what gave criteria that makes you a Muslim, so I ask:

What makes you different from satan?
He also testifies and believe that there is no god but Allah.
Satan also know that there is heaven and hell,
He believes in his prophets and what they were sent with,
Satan know the angels that are not seen by humans, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with as he inspired a chunk of it: called the Quran.

What makes you different from satan?


3. Your argument is so lame. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, I who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?

He even taught Abu Hurayra and Ibn Abbas!? Are these dummies?

Please find another excuse for your failures!

Oh! You know this much and are pretending?

Tell us more? Are you not going in similar fashion for those who are oblivious translating Quran out of context, mistranslating or double translating within a verse?

You say you know this much and fail to say? Is it not that you doubt what you know or still know too little? Is this all you can say in 24hrs?

Why are you trying to divert?
You know the companions (may Allah be pleased with them) of Muhammad pbuh?

You know Umar r.a? You know of his trip to Jerusalem but don't know he had a companion said to have predicted his death?

This same person vigorously supported Uthman r.a.

You feign ignorance and/or pretend you cannot do research?

If you cannot do this simple task how then did you arrive at the volume of information you claim to have against Islam, Muhammad pbuh and Allah?

I am not getting distracted from the subject of the thread by your bids to divert. Let's focus please. When this is addressed we can move on to your concerns. 😐

TenQ:
You did not answer my question sir
You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?



What makes you different from satan?
He also testifies and believe that there is no god but Allah.
Satan also know that there is heaven and hell,
He believes in his prophets and what they were sent with,
Satan know the angels that are not seen by humans, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with as he inspired a chunk of it: called the Quran.

What makes you different from satan?

TenQ:
I know Mohammed and follow what his companions wrote reported about him.

I think this is better put.
LOL!

The Hadiths are your religious books not mine. How you came about them is not my business. Your scholars even tried to filter off the lies and we are still left with much more things you Muslims are finding difficult to trust


You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?

I testify and believe that there is no god but Allah.
I believe in the unseen and see some of his signs, I believe in heaven and hell, his prophets and what they were sent with, angels that are not seen, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with. This is the Quran.

This video is more straight forward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjTIN2Ipxw?si=UVUQk_b9v98roLN8

FxMasterz:
Yeah. The videos further buttress my points.

TenQ:
You said:
You definitely know Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ al-Ḥimyarī?
But I don't.
I know Mohammed and follow what his companions wrote of him.
I don't care about anyone else except it has something to do with prophet Mohammed.

I only rely on your sources as Evidences to expose the fraud in your Islamic narratives.

About chain of narration of hadiths,
It is your problem not mine. You have a compilation of untrustworthy collections of your prophet by pious Muslims that even you Muslims find it hard to trust. I How can that be my problem?

Finally,
I asked you some basic questions

You believe in the Destiny of Allah isn't it?
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?

Thank you.

Not surprised.
Are Bukhari, Muslim, Musnad ibn Ahmad, Tabari, Jalalyn companions of Muhammad pbuh?

You often refer to their quotations and writings or you have promoted them to companions?

You call those my sources but don't understand how they came about their compilation.

I like your genious. You got from zero to 100 without passing through 1-40

A little of Kab al Ahbar also known as Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ al-Ḥimyarī is in the first post. I am surprised that with your 'vast knowledge of Islam' you don't know him.

You definitely know Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ al-Ḥimyarī? You are able to do research aren't you? Please explore.


And with Him (are the) keys (of) the unseen, no (one) knows them except Him. And He knows what (is) in the land and the sea. And not falls any leaf but He knows it. And not a grain in the darkness[es] (of) the earth and not moist and not dry but (is) in a Record Clear.(Q6:59)

And (for) every man We have fastened to him his fate in his neck, and We will bring forth for him (on the) Day (of) the Resurrection a record which he will find wide open.(Q17:13)


Blessed be He in Whose hands is Dominion; and He over all things hath Power; He Who created Death and Life, that He may try which of you is best in deed: and He is the Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving. (Q67:1-2).

He’s All-Wise, and He tests us according to our strength: “God does not burden any soul with more than it can bear: each gains whatever good it has done, and suffers its bad.” (Q2:286)

No kind of calamity occurs except by Allah’s permission. Whoever believes in Allah, He will guide his heart. Allah knows all things.” (Q64:11

TenQ:
Mallam Explore2xmore,
Who is Kab al Ahbar?

This is the first time I am hearing of his name and does he have a website that I follow as I am not understanding!


I can speak for myself bro!
Let me ask you a question.

You believe in the Destiny of Allah isn't it?
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?

Thank you.

You are just seeing the name Kab al Ahbar but rely on hadiths so strongly without knowing of his existence in the chain of narration?
How do you ascertain the trustworthiness of the hadiths you share?
By someone just saying so?

Did you watch the them?
About the future regarding a person's destiny Muhammad pbuh says he doesn't know?
How many people's future did Jesus pbuh predict?

Did Jesus according to your Bible not also say in Matthew 24:36? But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Quran assures of paradise in Quran 31:8-9
Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds – for them are the Gardens of Pleasure

Wherein they abide eternally; [it is] the promise of Allah [which is] truth. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

And in Quran 2:4 And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain.

FxMasterz:
Yeah. The videos further buttress my points.

Fortunately you have a brain and an intellect. Perhaps these videos will further educate you.

Direct word for word translations are prone to not conveying the actual meaning from one language to another. Sound knowledge of culture, grammar and other nuances is required. Take for instance the mistranslation of Quran 9:31 where there isn't consideration of verbs and subject they act on that have the unaware wrongly think Allah and Jesus are to be worshipped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnFp-AlABwI?si=PKtcMzIEmU9CVPEq


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJDPXhK22o?si=ZEoPg1Xoy7RGA4nE

FxMasterz:
My friend, TenQ has addressed this issue many times here. Whenever you guys lay claims to fabrications, he provides evidences of authenticity, and then the critics are silenced. Read through his previous threads to verify.

Regarding language translations, he brings translations from numerous sources and also compares literal Arabic renderings word for word.

We have seen that most English translations of the Quran actually make some dubious attempts to alter the true meanings of some arabic words in order to deceive the reader and conceal the real meaning of those words from him.
Take for instance an example from the video below. The narrator showed the gymnastics that the translators did in translating some of the names of Allah towards the end of the video. This scenario is very rampant in Islamic translations. You can't get the whole truth except you know Arabic and read your Quran in Arabic. The translators are out to deceive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxkx0BnAA8&pp=ygUOQWxsYWggaXMgc2F0YW4%3D

Much obliged by your response. I nor Islam disregards the honourable status of Jesus pbuh. It is however ridiculous to have a said ardent of Christianity try to slander Allah, Muhammad pbuh or Islam based on hadith. A lot of the hadith regardless of certification as Sahih are fabricated.
I here inform of a forerunner of hadith fabrication though he is not the only one. He is a jew and perhaps the rebellious nature is shared by Tenq who relys mainly on these in his ridiculous attempt to attack Islam.
He is well aware of the errors in word for word translations and when he brings them up from the Quran he has seen the truth. This then pushes him to Hadith which are mostly fabrications that Allah and Muhammad pbuh has warned against.

If the hadiths were to be a source of Islam like the Quran, the Prophet would have asked his companions to copy and learn them by heart. Yet, he prohibited their copying, let alone ordering them to be copied. Had the Muhammad pbuh desired them to be learned by heart, the companions nearest to him like Abu Bakr, Omar, Usman, Ali, Sugry, Zed b. Sabit and Selma al Farsi, would have transmitted thousands of hadiths. Instead, the words that have been transmitted from the abovementioned companions are very few.

A lie is a lie no matter how many times you say it or try to represent it.

FxMasterz:
My friend, Jesus came before Mohammed. He was prophesied of God before His arrival. He accomplished everything that was Prophesied about Him, including the exchange of His life for the redemption of the world. The greatest blow Jesus dealt Satan was His death on the cross. His death on the cross permitted Him to operate against Satan in the spirit realm as a man and recover man's lost glory for man.

This death, which is Christ's greatest accomplishment and Satan's greatest woe is what Satan created Islam to deny. Remove the death of Christ from everything in His existence, and His coming to the world immediately becomes useless. It's Christ's death that is the Hallmark of Christianity. That is the seal of salvation. It is the emblem of Satan's eternal defeat.

To conceal his defeat and keep men in perpetual ignorance, he created Islam to deny that Christ died and resurrected. Meanwhile, the Jesus portrayed in the Quran is a false Jesus. That Jesus isn't the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible came into the world through the Virgin birth purposely to make His soul an offering for sins. He actually came here as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

Tell me why Islam denies the same death that is the core message of salvation. Tell me why Islam denies the death of Christ which is the greatest blow satan suffered in all of eternity. The only one who can deny such event is that Satan who was most affected by it, and wants to keep people ignorant regarding the defeat he suffered on the cross. This truth has been spreading around the world for 600yrs before Satan created Islam to deny this truth regarding Satan:s defeat. You can choose what to believe but I know that the Original always appears before a counterfeit is created. Islam cannot be original because it was created as a counterfeit to counter Christianity. And, you'll soon see the reason why. The most important counter Satan needs is to deny the death and the resurrection of Christ because therein lies Satan's defeat. If Christ didn't die for sins, the Virgin birth is Useless. Thankfully, your Quran does not deny the virgin birth, but it denies the purpose of it. Why? Islam is claiming that Jesus indeed came into the world as promised but did not fulfil the purpose for which He was born.

If such an event as the death and resurrection of Christ is being denied 600yrs after it happened, now, you can easily decipher who authored the Quran and the purpose for which Islam was invented.

Kab al Ahbar is the person who had been instrumental in interpolating the greatest number of Jewish anecdotes and parables into Islam. He is said to have converted to Islam either during Abu Bakr's era or Omar's. His love of Jewish legends and interminable stories had put him in the focus of his time. In one of the hadiths, it is said: “There is no harm in transmitting hadiths from Judaic lore.” It was Abdullah bin Amr who reportedly transmitted this hadith. Tirmizi, Abu Davud and Bukhari also mentioned this hadith. As we shall be seeing presently, Abdullah b. Amr was among the novices of Kab al Ahbar. Those who fabricated this hadith prior to the other unfounded hadiths used it as a basis for their new fabrications. Kab al Ahbar was a pioneer in this. Not only did he transmit hadiths, but also gave instructions to Abu Hurayra, as we have already examined, as well as Abdullah b. Amr, Ibn Omar and Ibn Abbas. Thus he benefited from these people when spreading his interpolations.

Do inform if it is lie that Kab al Ahbar is a jew and forerunner in your lifetime habit of rejecting God.

Is this fulfilment of God's word in your Bible?

Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. (Deuteronomy 28:18).

You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out” (Deuteronomy 28:19).

Or is it the case of the Jews cursed because they killed Christ and asked for “His blood to be on us,” according to Matthew 27:25?




Attention of MightySparrow, Tenq,SIRTee15 ANTIlSLAM, AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, aekymbahd, motayoayinde,FxMasterz,advocatejare,TenQ,

Did you or did you not cherry pick Bukhari 7410 on one of your crazy posts?
Who is cherry picking other than you?
Which hadith have I put up except the one wherein the hadith author refers to the invalidity of statements outside the Quran?

TenQ:
I asked you this question is to prevent you from later cherry-picking on what to take from Bukhari.

If you want me to trust the claim of Bukhari, I would you also trust the judgment of him?

Do you trust and believe Bukhari?
Is Bukhari now a prophet of Islam?

Tenq and propensity to lies! Where in the Quran is the verse on your satan inspired topic?

TenQ:
The opposite of humility is PRIDE!

The fact that some people make merchandise of the Christian faith doesn't have have to do with what the Bible teaches.

After all, I we don't stop spending money because 419 people defraud people with money.
We don't stop using knives because some people have used it in the past to commit murder.

There is no where such despicable things are taught in the Bible or any Christian tradition.

I have presented to you teachings from the Qur'an and Hadiths of Muslims on the Efficacy of the blessed Urine of the Holy prophet Muhammad