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TenQ:
Did the book of Revelation give the identity of the two witnesses OR you are making a speculation that these could be Moses and Elijah?

I am seeking clarity about this as there are divergent views.

Can you or can't you not explain convincingly?

Kobojunkie:
Actually, John was Elijah returned.
Unless of course, you would rather believe that Jesus Christ lied about it!

Elijah was probably originally meant to die at the hands of King Ahab and Jezebel. But God took him out of that timeline and brought Him back as John, where he eventually did die at the hands of King Herod and his wife.

Interesting

Kobojunkie:
There are those for which that rule barely holds. They wake up exhausted, sometimes even more than they did before they went in to rest.

How is what established?

Do you often recover strength after a rest or subdue a feeling of hunger after eating a meal?

Do you have an inclination to go to sleep at some point? Those who wake up feeling exhausted may seek and find reasons why this is.

Could be blood sugar anomalies, kidney problems or some ailment.

TenQ:
There is no scripture to assert or prove that one of the two men spoken of in Rev 11:1-14. They were simply referred to as Witnessess. Whatever anyone says about the two men other than this are speculations as the Bible gives no names.

Note:
Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

Are these parts of scripture meaningless then?


This description of the two witnesses bears a striking resemblance to the miracles performed by Elijah in the Old Testament. In 1 Kings 17, Elijah proclaimed that there would be no rain in the land, and in 1 Kings 18, he called down fire from heaven to consume a sacrifice.


The appearance of Elijah alongside Moses at the transfiguration of Jesus is another indicator of Elijah's significance in the end times. In Matthew 17:3-4, it says, "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, 'Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'"

Elijah did not experience physical death but was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:11) supports the notion that he is destined to return as one of the two witnesses in Revelation. The idea that Elijah did not die but was taken directly to heaven leaves the possibility open for him to return in the future as one of the witnesses.

Although his apparent return as new born John the Baptist or a John the Baptist of kindred spirit adds on some uncertainty.

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

When you feel tired and have a rest you often feel refreshed isn't it? How is this established?

SIRTee15:
Jesus was referencing the spirit of Elijah in John the baptist. John is not reincarnated Elijah.

Thank you SirTee15. Outside Jesus pointing towards this it was not obvious as in the case of Elisha.

2 Kings 2:15
And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.

In anycase how do we understand that a kindred spirit of Elijah and not Elijah himself was expected?

Also in Revelations 11:3-12, Elijah is said to be one of the two. How is this so?

TenQ:
Christians do NOT believe in reincarnation as it is contrary to the scripture.

1. Elijah did not die but was taken bodily to heaven, therefore this is not a reincarnation
2Kin 2:11:
"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

2. Jesus said, that John the Baptist was Elijah (without giving any explanation of how it is). Jesus simply said:

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

Since Elijah never died, this cannot be called a reincarnation.

Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

Is Elijah of the two spoken in Revelations?

Well all time is bound by obviously stated and unstated contracts or law.

Your point is noted.

Kobojunkie:
I only mention that the One instance connected to one particular being who happened to be of the Old Law.

2. This isn't about the books and times but rather the contracts --- the details, terms and conditions, etc., -- as well as Kingdoms to which they apply being different. For example, the Old Law's terms applies only to those of Israel who are of the Nation of Israel which is of this world whereas Jesus Christ applies to those removed from this world and are of the Kingdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from the usual mimicking of the above statement from different people claiming Muslims what exactly are you testifying to?

Well i was once like you before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses the dogmatic credulity is not worthwhile because the so called Allah you want to testify is just the word in the mouth of an Arabian that's all there is no single evidence that there is any god called Allah.

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING and the supreme supposed to ORGANIZE those in his or her domain so if people are DISORGANIZED to point of killing one another yet calling on the same Allah to support them in killing one another then your Allah is just a dogma and nothing more:

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2 Timothy 3:1-5

The highlighted in blue is why i abandoned Islam because you people are like other religions claiming you have a god in your midst but the way you follow politics to exterminate one another shows there is no god at all in your gathering you're just deluded!

So many things are referred to as god by different people. How do you pronounce God differently from god?

What is godliness or is it Godliness?

Kobojunkie:
Your understanding of Scripture is obviously flawed Op.

Elijah, whom you point to there, was of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, a Covenant separate and different from that which is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God. So, right off you are attempting to apply that which works in the Old Covenant in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ did hint at this when He suggested that even John, the last of the Old Covenant prophets, was no greater than the least in the Kingdom of God, clearly revealing that that which applied to the Old has no place in the New.

In the New Covenant, Jesus Christ offered everyone of the blood of Israel who would become citizens of the Kingdom of God, Eternal Life for free right from the gate(Narrow and Broad gates). His Covenant makes clear that after death would come judgment for all the sheep and goats in His Kingdom at a time in the future after He returns- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 25 & John 5 vs 19 - 29. So what use would reincarnation serve those who have Eternal Life in this life?

You definitely know there is the connection as there are prophesies from the old testament about things in the new testament.

Reference to the laws and Torah of Moses too.

Then what use is the the Transfiguration if the books and times are not related?

FRANCISTOWN:
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@FxMasterz
@SIRTee15
@MightySparrow
@MaxInDHouse

I'll be speaking according to the bible.
John the Baptist was infact the reincarnation of Elijah.
Let's walk thru the bible together.
What happens when a man dies?
His earthly body returns back to the ground.
It is impossible to ascend into heaven with your earthly body.
For God himself said this to the first man who inherited death.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. Gen 3:19

When Enoch was taken up to heaven, he was not taken with his earthly body, likewise Elijah

Apostle Paul better explained this in

Phil3: 21 He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.

The earthly body cannot survive in heaven.
So Enoch and Elijah must have been given a new body just as Paul explained.

Now about reincarnation.
See what the dictionary says:
•A rebirth of a soul, in a physical life form, such as a body.
Since Elijah was taken into heaven without his earthly body. It is reasonable to say he was a soul.
Now in Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

John was the only prophet that was sent just before Jesus.

Even Jesus confirmed that indeed John the Baptist was a prophet in Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist...

Luke 1:17 "And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah..."

Simply put, the spirit of Elijah in a new earthly body.
And Jesus really said it clearly in

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

When Elijah was taken to heaven, he was given a different body, so, he had to enter a new earthly body which can only happen by birth. Hence, reincarnation

Thank you for your responses. I hope to get better clarity soon. More so that Elijah is also prophesied to come again at the end of the world. In the book of Revelation, the two witnesses are described .

Revelation 11:3–12 is a description of two individuals who will help accomplish God’s work during the tribulation: “I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. Is it that the text is improperly understood? If Elijah is to be one of these two, conclusively he has physically died as John the Baptist who was beheaded?

Then in Malachi it is not stated explicitly that a kindred spirit will come before Jesus.

There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maximdhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,Tenq and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

malcom1X:
Sahir Bukhari

Can you be consistent? You write Sahir Buhari

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and share a picture alleging a statement of Ayatollahi Khomeini without establishing a link

malcom1X:
😂😂😂😂😂

Scam Muhammed.
Said his donkey can bear witness

🤣🤣🤣

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40)

Can you prove this?

Or disprove:
Jesus was in the belly of the earth for only one full day (Saturday) and two partial days (Friday afternoon and Sunday morning). This does not add up to three days and three nights

malcom1X:
Dude I'm not Jewish. I'm a Christian.

It doesn't matter. Was Jesus Jewish or is there a tribe called Christian? Did Jesus nullify Jewish laws?

malcom1X:
Your prophet married a 6 years old, had sex with her when she was 9 years old.

In what context is it ok to have sex with 9 year old ?

Without going into the certainty or uncertainty on the age of marriage consumation have you considered what your Jewish brethren say in the Thalmud?

In the Jewish tradition, betrothal and marriage are sacred and highly valued institutions. The concept of the minimum age for marriage is found in the Talmud, which is the central text of Rabbinic Judaism. In the Talmud, it is stated that the minimum age for a girl to be married is three years old and one day. This is based on a passage from the Talmud that states, "A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse" (Niddah 5:4).

This mishnah teaches that in a legal sense, sexual relations with a girl over the age of three counts as sexual relations.

Explore2xmore:
Perharps a holistic look into history and ages of girls when married will be helpful even if scholars don't universally agree on the age of Aisha at marriage.

The difference in age with her sister Asma, her being born before Hijra, her listing amongst the first to accept Islam.

There is a difference of opinion among scholars regarding Aisha's age at the time of her marriage. Some narrations suggest she was around 9 years old, while others propose she was older. It is important to note that the concept of age and maturity varied in different societies and historical contexts.

You also mention the wives Prophet Muhammad married. How many of these wives were not widows?

Where is the mention of blasphemy?
Anyway the Banu Qurayzah battle resulted from their breach of peace treaty.

The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.

Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.

Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112, Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14.

Eleanor de Bohun (aged about 9/10) was married to Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (aged about 20/21), in 1376.

Elizabeth the Cuman (aged 8/9) was married to the future Stephen V of Hungary in 1253.

malcom1X:
Why don't you answer the question and stop attacking Christianity.
Christianity is greater than Islam.
Islam is just a religion of lies.
Muhammed PUBG was a false prophet.

And the almighty is the greatest.

malcom1X:
Your prophet married a 6 years old, had sex with her when she was 9 years old.
married 11 wives,
had lot of sex slaves
killed 900 Jews in banu qureyza incident and enslaved their women and sold their children in the market of Najad.
which is written in your own books. how can these things be said as blasphemy ?

In what context is it ok to have sex with 9 year old ?

Perharps a holistic look into history and ages of girls when married will be helpful even if scholars don't universally agree on the age of Aisha at marriage.

The difference in age with her sister Asma, her being born before Hijra, her listing amongst the first to accept Islam.

There is a difference of opinion among scholars regarding Aisha's age at the time of her marriage. Some narrations suggest she was around 9 years old, while others propose she was older. It is important to note that the concept of age and maturity varied in different societies and historical contexts.

You also mention the wives Prophet Muhammad married. How many of these wives were not widows?

Where is the mention of blasphemy?
Anyway the Banu Qurayzah battle resulted from their breach of peace treaty.

The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.

Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.

advocatejare:
I

Indeed Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him

However was the Quran revealed as a book or it was a recitation over 23 years?

Daughter in law or foster daughter in law? Where is the blood relation?

Uthman r.a also burnt memories?

Evolution of written arabic to aid non arabians is your problem? Do you understand Hebrew language?

The original Roman manuscripts on which most bibles are translated wasn't the language of Jesus or even Hebrew or any other Israelite language. Who makes Greek the benchmark?
The New Testament, which comprises the second half of the Christian Bible, was originally written in Greek.

The Septuagint is mainly a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. How much was lost in translation or outrightly fabricated?

Fatiha was revealed. All of the Quran is revelation and this puts it way above the hadith and sirah which are books of men.
It is not a 'holy spirit' inspired book but a direct revelation.

Until you are able to bring a truly sensible question I no longer will waste my time with you

malcom1X:
Just

Did he really say that

I don't know however; Allah in the Quran says, “And those who guard their chastity except with their wives or those [bondwomen] in their possession, for them, they are free from blame, but whoever seeks beyond that are the transgressors.” [Quran, 70:29-31]

Q70:29. And those who guard their chastity.
30. Except from their spouses or those living under their control, for then they are free of blame.

Mating with animals is definitely oppresion

malcom1X:
Nice

It is crucial to understand that terrorism is not synonymous with any particular religion. The very definition of terrorism is rooted in the use of violence and intimidation for political, ideological, or religious purposes. This means that individuals from any religious background, or even those who claim no religious affiliation, have the potential to commit acts of terrorism. The UN's Counter-Terrorism Implementation Task Force (CTITF) has made it clear that terrorism is a complex issue with various root causes, including political, economic, and social factors. Therefore, to single out a particular religion as the sole cause of terrorism is not only deceitful, but also an oversimplification of a multifaceted issue.

One of the most common examples of deceit in linking terrorism to religion is the association of Islam with terrorism. In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Muslims all over the world were unfairly and unjustly targeted and discriminated against. Despite the fact that the vast majority of Muslims vehemently condemn terrorism, the deceptive narrative linking Islam to terrorism has persisted. This has led to increased Islamophobia, hate crimes, and a deepening of the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims. This demonstrates how the deceitful linking of terrorism to religion not only perpetuates stereotypes, but also has real and damaging consequences for innocent individuals.

Both al Qaeda and ISIS have carried out attacks against Muslim and non-Muslim civilians. Don't fall for the deceit. This is far from religious.

Explore2xmore:
How many complete copies of the Mushaf existed in the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

Anyway did this your Bible exist and was certified by your biblical Jesus in his time with you? None so you cannot guarantee it's authentic!
The writing of the Quran in different places and existence of many who committed it to memory surely validates it unlike your books written by many who never met your Jesus.

See your logic?


What does your Bible tell you about adultery?
You stupidly act as if Muhammad pbuh prescribed something new?

Leviticus 20:10-16
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's unclothedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (The Pope recently met with LGBTQ and didn't condemn them, also Reformation Day: Protestant Christians Embrace LGBTQ Diversity; https://www.hrc.org/news/reformation-day-protestant-christians-embrace-lgbtq-diversity-500-years-aft
14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.
15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

No revelation like Fatiha.
Ibn Abbas reported: While the Angel Gabriel was sitting with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, he heard a creaking noise above him. Gabriel raised his head and he said, “This is a door of heaven that has been opened today and it has never been opened before today.” Then an angel descended from it, and Gabriel said, “This angel descended to the earth today and he has never descended until today.” The angel greeted him with peace and he said, “Rejoice in two lights you have been given, which were not given to any prophet before you: the opening of the Book, Surat al-Fatihah, and the last verses of Surat al-Baqarah. You will never recite a letter from them but that you will be given”

You carelessly say Taqiyya do you know the meaning and reason where it is used?

Do you know the sole exception applies only to Salim? Which other adult males were breastfed?

The majority of Muslim scholars agreed that it is only a particular concession concerning the nursing of Salim alone. They do not consider it a general ruling that applies to the whole Ummah.


Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…

She didn't breastfeed him in the sense of him seeing her unclothedness and putting his mouth to her bossom. She expressed into a utensil and it was just once tp establish kinship.

Understand what you present.

If you say so but we are not so stupid to believe an omnipotent God will become his creation to crucify himself to himself to salvage his creation.

Of all the wonders God does will he have to do this to redeem his creation?

Do you freeze your brain and intellect to become a Christian?

The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah Almighty said: I have divided prayer between Myself and My servant into two halves, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says, ‘All praise is due to Allah the Lord of the worlds,’ Allah says: My servant has praised Me. When he says, ‘The Gracious, the Merciful,’ Allah says: My servant has exalted Me. When he says, ‘The Master of the Day of Judgment,’ Allah says: My servant has glorified Me and my servant has submitted to Me. When he says, ‘You alone we worship, You alone we ask for help,’ Allah says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant will have what he has asked for. When he says, ‘Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom you have favored, not those who went astray,’ Allah says: This is for My servant, and My servant will have what he has asked for.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 395

advocatejare:

If it’s purely recitation and not written why was Muhammad asking his followers to write his so called recitation down?
You’re always sounding like a lunatic just like Muhammad.

How many complete copies of the Mushaf existed in the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

Anyway did this your Bible exist and was certified by your biblical Jesus in his time with you? None so you cannot guarantee it's authentic!
The writing of the Quran in different places and existence of many who committed it to memory surely validates it unlike your books written by many who never met your Jesus.

See your logic?


What does your Bible tell you about adultery?
You stupidly act as if Muhammad pbuh prescribed something new?

Leviticus 20:10-16
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's unclothedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (The Pope recently met with LGBTQ and didn't condemn them, also Reformation Day: Protestant Christians Embrace LGBTQ Diversity; https://www.hrc.org/news/reformation-day-protestant-christians-embrace-lgbtq-diversity-500-years-aft
14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.
15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

No revelation like Fatiha.
Ibn Abbas reported: While the Angel Gabriel was sitting with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, he heard a creaking noise above him. Gabriel raised his head and he said, “This is a door of heaven that has been opened today and it has never been opened before today.” Then an angel descended from it, and Gabriel said, “This angel descended to the earth today and he has never descended until today.” The angel greeted him with peace and he said, “Rejoice in two lights you have been given, which were not given to any prophet before you: the opening of the Book, Surat al-Fatihah, and the last verses of Surat al-Baqarah. You will never recite a letter from them but that you will be given”

You carelessly say Taqiyya do you know the meaning and reason where it is used?

Do you know the sole exception applies only to Salim? Which other adult males were breastfed?

The majority of Muslim scholars agreed that it is only a particular concession concerning the nursing of Salim alone. They do not consider it a general ruling that applies to the whole Ummah.


Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…

She didn't breastfeed him in the sense of him seeing her unclothedness and putting his mouth to her bossom. She expressed into a utensil and it was just once tp establish kinship.

Understand what you present.

If you say so but we are not so stupid to believe an omnipotent God will become his creation to crucify himself to himself to salvage his creation.

Of all the wonders God does will he have to do this to redeem his creation?

Do you freeze your brain and intellect to become a Christian?

The level of foolery of an Osiris/Horus worshipper is incomparable.

Can a recitation be eaten? What is the meaning of Quran?

Is this what Osiris tells you through Paul or his descendants?

*Al-Fatihah is a prayer, a dialogue between the abd (slave) and his Rabb, the Creator of everything.

advocatejare:
Another delusion, the same Allah that was powerless to protect the Quran from being eaten by a common sheep.

Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


Allah that was powerless to stop Uthman from burning the original manuscripts of the Quran, the original Quran that Muhammad claimed to have received.

Allah has failed to protect the Quran


The same misguided Allah that is praying to be guided. Dey play 🕺

Besides that verse of stoning or breastfeeding an adult is surely was not a part of the revealed Quran else many people will have remembered it.

Can your wife or mother breastfeed you to satisfaction or can you breastfeed yourself to satisfaction if you are a woman?

Keep hanging at straws and wondering about. First of all question the faith you follow thoroughly perharps you will see the truth despite it's mix up with fraud.

This indeed is the false prophet Pauline Christendom has created.

Yet bold enough to put it in your scripture to really put it in your face.

Pathetic follower of a religion based on Greek and Roman myths. Trying to divert. Do see what you half quote to deceive yourself and enjoy your mistake

advocatejare:
Sahih al-Bukhari 5674
Narrated `Aisha:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) , who was resting against me, saying, "O Allah! Excuse me and bestow Your Mercy on me and let me join with the highest companions (in Paradise)." See Qur'an (4.69)

Q4:69. Whoever obeys God and the Messenger—these are with those whom God has blessed—among the prophets, and the sincere, and the martyrs, and the upright. Excellent are those as companions.

Which messenger is obeyed? Be quoting hadith like a slowpoke and lack understanding. Here is Quran 4:69 for you. 😎

advocatejare:
Muhammad said he didn’t know what Allah will do to him, the Hadith above is one of his fables, when he was imagining things as usual

Sahih al-Bukhari 6391
Narrated `Aisha: that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O `Aisha!)….

In one of the the few times when Muhammad was in his right senses and someone said that Allah has honored one of Muhammad’s dead companions,
Muhammad replied the person that even he being the prophet of the same Allah, he wasn’t sure of what Allah will do to him and trully at the point of death Muhammad was praying to be with the highest companions

Sahih al-Bukhari 5674
Narrated `Aisha:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) , who was resting against me, saying, "O Allah! Excuse me and bestow Your Mercy on me and let me join with the highest companions (in Paradise)." See Qur'an (4.69)


Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."

You see how demented you are? Thr Ansari woman went to him who explained the meaning of her dream to her. Are you not getting confused?

advocatejare:
No wonder they called him a madman
And they say, "O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad .
-Quran 15:6

Yet this same Quran 15 says:
2. Perhaps those who disbelieve will wish they had been Muslims.

3. Leave them to eat, and enjoy, and be lulled by hope. They will find out.

4. We have never destroyed a town unless it had a set time.

5. No nation can bring its time forward, nor can they delay it.

6. And they said O you who received the message you are insane

7. Why do you not bring us the angels, if you are truthful?”

8. We do not send the angels down except with reason, and they will not be held back.

9. Surely We revealed the Message, and We will surely preserve it.

Verse 6 you quoted is italicized as you try to cunningly pick just it without reading verse 2 and 9. Is this not how Paul rewrote a lot of the old testament into the New testament.
Do you think you are dealing with who cannot read and you can bamboozle with your fiction? Get a life.

On Quran 15:6, who are they that turned away other than the stubborn ungodly. Mr verse picker when you pick try to be a little honest and bring the context.


Anyway keep enjoying.

The idea of a transcendent and omnipotent deity taking on human form is inherently absurd. The very essence of God as an all-powerful and omniscient being is incompatible with the limitations of human existence. If God is truly omnipotent, then there is no need for him to take on a human form in order to achieve his goals. The very idea of God becoming man implies a limitation of his power, which directly contradicts traditional religious beliefs.

advocatejare:
Muhammad never made such claims. He was not sure of his destination. He was praying to be with the highest companion at the point of death, he was a lost man who remained lost in death and was killed like a common rat with poison.

Bukhari 7440
Narrated Anas

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The believers will be kept (waiting) on the Day of Resurrection so long that they will become worried and say, "Let us ask somebody to intercede far us with our Lord so that He may relieve us from our place. .......

Then they will go to Adam and say, 'You are Adam, the father of the people. Allah created you with His Own Hand and made you reside in His Paradise and ordered His angels to prostrate before you, and taught you the names of all things will you intercede for us with your Lord so that He may relieve us from this place of ours? Adam will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking.' .........
They will go to Moses who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking. He will mention his mistake he made, i.e., killing a person, and will say (to them), 'Go to Jesus, Allah's slave and His Apostle, and a soul created by Him and His Word.' (Be: And it was.) They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking but you'd better go to Muhammad the slave whose past and future sins have been forgiven by Allah.' So they will come to me, and I will ask my Lord's permission to enter His House and then I will be permitted. When I see Him I will fall down in prostration before Him, and He will leave me (in prostration) as long as He will, and then He will say, 'O Muhammad, lift up your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted." ..........
The narrator then recited the Verse:-- "It may be that your Lord will raise you to a Station of Praise and Glory.' (17.79) The narrator added: This is the Station of Praise and Glory which Allah has promised to your Prophet.

advocatejare:
The death and resurrection of jesus was pre-told and fulfilled before the lost, idolater liar son of Abdullah was born and before he encountered the jinn that lied to him in the cave after pinning him down 3 times and before he was declared a false prophet by Waraqa.

Jesus’ death had a meaningful spiritual significance and was foretold. On the other hand, Muhammad’s death had no positive significance to himself and to humanity. He was merely poisoned to death like a common rat, he cried in agony and shouted “death has agony”, he suffered for nothing, his death confirmed that he was a liar, a fake person who the jewess poison eliminated, he was left unburied for 3 days and wasn’t even given a befitting ghusl after death, he remained dirty even in death and his followers have started killing one and other since then till date!

If you don’t stop following him, you will join in hell in the afterlife!

Of your god becoming man to sacrifice himself to himself to redeem man?

Oh please. How is this not like the story of Osiris in Egyptian mythology?

Osiris, the god of the afterlife, was killed and dismembered by his brother Set. His body was then reassembled by his sister-wife Isis, and he was resurrected to become the god of the afterlife.

Or is it Mithras, a Persian god who was said to have been born of a virgin, died on a cross, and then resurrected three days later?

Or is it stories of Attis, Tammuz, and Dionysus, all of whom were said to have been born of a virgin, died a violent death, and then resurrected?

Oh please The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold

The idea of a transcendent and omnipotent deity taking on human form is inherently absurd. The very essence of God as an all-powerful and omniscient being is incompatible with the limitations of human existence. If God is truly omnipotent, then there is no need for him to take on a human form in order to achieve his goals. The very idea of God becoming man implies a limitation of his power, which directly contradicts traditional religious beliefs.

advocatejare:
So you have seen now that despite Muhammad claiming to be Allah’s prophet, he was not sure of his salvation. He didn’t know what Allah would do to him, he was lost, that’s the person you’re following. The blind following the blind.

But jesus on the hand said, he is the way, the truth and the life

As expected your hypocrisy stinks to hell and many times round. So you now ignore your preference of hadith saying Muhammad pbuh will be in paradise and the one whose intercession will be accepted.

Sura 5:9 teaches, "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward

Remember Muhammad pbuh is the best of examples

Verily those who believe (in the oneness of Allaah Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous deeds, shall have the Gardens of AI-Firdaus (Paradise) for their entertainment. (Q 18: 107).


Whoever submits themselves to Allah and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve. Q2:112

Anyway Muslims are not stupidly arrogant like you and the Devil

....So do not ˹falsely˺ elevate yourselves. He knows best who is ˹truly˺ righteous. Q53:32
Despicable liar.

Your phoney Jesus was thoroughly brutalized and cursed to be hung on a pole/cross or whatever. So much so he himself said he was finished.

his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deut 21:23

How wonderful this your god must be to become his creation, be maltreated and cursed in order to save you? Isn't this the height of stupidity and greatest show of incapacity? Wow how does it make sense to you? To cure a disease, you first infect yourself with it? If indeed everything is under his control why cant he just command it?

Or is it your Jesus who lied to the thief that they will both be in Paradise together that night who deceives you.

Did Jesus go to paradise the night of the crucifixion or the day after?

The idea of a transcendent and omnipotent deity taking on human form is inherently absurd. The very essence of God as an all-powerful and omniscient being is incompatible with the limitations of human existence. If God is truly omnipotent, then there is no need for him to take on a human form in order to achieve his goals. The very idea of God becoming man implies a limitation of his power, which directly contradicts traditional religious beliefs.

Bunch of lying louts!

Prophet Muhammad did not equate himself to the almighty or get erroneously equated by his followers akin to idolatry.

Idolatry = Pauline Christianity

Jesus never called himself God but spoke of following principles God gave.

Paul and idolators equated Jesus to God in line with Egyptian, Roman mythology of Zeus, Horis etc. How different is this from Idolatry?

Repeating the same line doesn't add weight. Who is guided that the almighty doesn't guide?

Do you disagree with the scripture from your mixed up Bible I earlier shared?

Keep diving into hadith maybe you will find one akin to your Bible that calls the prophet.... (may Allah protect me from the satan and blasphemy which you proudly commit)


How can your God become cursed and forsaken to save you? Is that how powerless he is?

To have to become his creation to redeem his creation. Is it that he created what he doesn't understand or have authority over?

I forget that Paul has taught you gullible that you can be equal to God.

Why then do you have in your scripture that thr builders build in vain if God doesn't build with them.

Psalm 127:1
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain.


If God doesn't guide you, who can guide you?
Of course you just read without thought perharps your brain is in your asshole.

Imagine a willing saviour exclaiming my lord my lord why has thou forsaken me?

How can one who is forsaken save all others?

What idiocy modelled into religion