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I think it's less of a whole common origin than it is influence from a particular group that blended across the region. These discussions are too Yoruba-Igbo/Colonial borders focused, which gives it a tint of 'by force brotherhood'. There are probably more similarities between Yoruba-Fon, and Igbo-Efik, than Yoruba-Igbo, not to mention the Urhobo, Ishan, Bini, Igala, Isoko, and other micro-ethnicities and their inner divisions that are present between the Igbo and Yoruba.

Yoruba and Igbo themselves are arguably just a language group that exterior forces bonded together.

People make it seem like Yoruba and Igbo have always been in Nigeria interacting with only each other and without hinderance from those between them.

tendercharles: LIE #1: Some people are born homosexual.
FACT: There is no conclusive scientific
evidence for any genetic trait causing
homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgendered
desires.

Or heterosexuality.

tendercharles: LIE #2: Homosexual activity is harmless, so
no one should criticize it.
FACT: The consequences of homosexual
behavior are devastating, and risky
homosexual acts continue even when
community acceptance increases. In San
Francisco, the rate of sexually transmitted
diseases among homosexuals remains very
high, despite a tolerant climate. Substance
abuse and suicide attempts are much higher
among homosexuals.

There's no evidence that same sex sexual contact transmits any kind of special sexual disease that cannot be found among heterosexual.

tendercharles: LIE #3: No one chooses to be homosexual,
so it must be inborn.
FACT: While homosexual desire may feel
very natural to some people, this does not
mean it is inborn, positive or unchangeable.
There is overwhelming evidence that
homosexual desire arises from traumatic
childhood experiences, such as sexual abuse
or a troubled family environment. These
desires can be overcome through
counseling. And—people always choose
sexual behavior, even if the feelings aren’t
chosen, unhealthy desires don’t have to be
acted upon.

There's no such credible study that attributes homosexuality, or same sex desire to traumatic events. Billions of known and unknown same-sex attracted individuals attest to that.

tendercharles: LIE #4: A homosexual can never change to
become a heterosexual.
FACT: Thousands of people have overcome
homosexual desire. A network of ex-
homosexual organizations called Exodus has
several hundred affiliates around the world.
Exodus helps strugglers through Christian
support groups, prayer, and biblical
teaching. Some psychologists can help
homosexuals overcome homosexual desire
through individual counseling as well. Many
ex-homosexuals go on to marry and have
children.

Good luck to any woman who marries a "reformed homosexual".

tendercharles: LIE #5: The Bible doesn’t condemn
homosexuality. Therefore, a person can be a
proud homosexual and a Christian, too.
FACT: Scripture is very clear about
homosexuality. There are dire warnings in
the Bible about homosexual practices, both
for individuals and for communities. Read
Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus
20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians
6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:10, 2 Peter 2: 6-10,
and Jude 6-7. Some say that because
Jesus did not explicitly mention
homosexuality, it must be permitted. But He
never mentioned rape or incest either—are
we to believe these are acceptable? And
Jesus was God, who had already made His
will known in the Old Testament. Jesus
affirmed in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 that
marriage is ordained for one man and one
woman. How can those who call themselves
Christians deliberately twist the word of
God?
Homosexuality is sin, but it is changeable.
There is hope for all of us sinners, as
expressed so beautifully in 2 Corinthians
5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he
is a new creation; old things have passed
away; behold, all things have become new."

The bible is full of a lot of things. There's probably a verse that says breathing is against god. Plus wasn't there a nod to human sacrifice here and there?

You're going to have to try harder than that.

High life is from Ghana...

It's like linking Igbo communities with France because they both use the words moi and mua for 'myself' and beaucoup and bu ukwu for 'very big'.

Rossikk: You can have a say but common sense tells us that those who have done the legwork and research, including field research, have a lot more credibility in saying what is what - than those who haven't.

YOU go and research the words and ''confirm'' for yourself. How do you expect me to ''confirm''? That's your job.

I only see a 'thirst' by you to debunk any Yoruba links to the Nile Valley.

That's ludicrous. The meanings of the words were attached right next to them!

You didn't really say anything here. And I'm wondering why you can't understand why comparing place names on sound alone is a problem.

Rossikk: The numerous ethnic groups in West Africa are actually proof of ancient fragmentation caused by migration of groups and the splitting up of hitherto united societies and language groups. Further buttressing this are inguistic and cultural links/similarities which connect all those West African groups, even as they evince surface differences. For instance it is clear the Igbos and Yorubas were once one people, or at least members of a single language group, thousands of years ago. The language similarities alone are enough to show this.

I'm not willing to waste time with this, because you KNOW you yourself don't think this is it.

Rossikk: How does the existence of 200,000 year old languages which you can't name obviate the proven linguistic connections between Nile Valley and West African languages? Cheikh Anta Diop found over 500 congruences between Wolof and Medu Neter.

How can you know that ancient Egyptians called their language 'Medu Neter', in fact from what form of Egyptian is the word 'Medu Neter'? Do you still not understand why language similarities between West Africa and some arbitary forms of Egyptian is not a guarantee for any hypothesis.

Which bring me onto the next point, how is it that every civilisation that has come in contact with Egypt either developed writing or adopted it from the Egyptians apart from the supposed 'lost Egyptians' of West Africa who didn't even build one Egyptian styled temple or left any evidence of hieroglyphs.

Rossikk: There are a LOT of things about Ancient Egypt that are recognisable in West Africa today. Language similarities, cultural similarities like divine kingship, circumcision, bride price, festivals, age-grades, libation, nomadic life, burial rites, matrilineal succession. Many kings are buried with their earthly treasures till tomorrow throughout West Africa, to help them 'on the other side'. Where else does that happen TODAY on earth outside West and Central Africa? Go to Egypt itself today, it doesn't happen.

In fact if one were to search the world today to find those who carry on the traditions and ways of the ancient Egyptians, BLACK AFRICA is the ONLY place to look.

This is ridiculous.

Rossikk: How the hell do you know our ancestors knew nothing about Egypt before the colonial invasions? This is the condescending haughtiness about the African past that so irks me. MANY oral traditions among our people state that their forbears migrated from the Nile Valley region/Egypt. Oral traditions predate the colonial invasions!

Let me guess, the ancient Yoruba word for Egypt is 'Ijiputu', right? Can you give some pre-20th century oral traditions from West African communities that explicitly state that they migrated from Egypt.

Rossikk: Cheikh Anta Diop knows nothing about African history?

Chancellor Williams too?

Basil Davidson?

Wake me up after you've spent 1/2000th of the time each of those gentlemen have spent in the course of their groundbreaking research work.

Better yet, if you say you are REALLY interested in African history, do the right thing and pick up one or two of their books and read their work. It won't kill you!

It took Isaac Newton a couple of minutes to explain what people in Europe couldn't explain for hundreds of years. You're clasping at straws.

[quote author=Abrakhan.]for your information all these countries you mentioned are practising most of the Islamic wealth sharing to their citizens which is impossible in Nigeria.[/quote]"Islamic wealth sharing"? What's the difference between "Islamic wealth sharing" and ordinary wealth sharing? When Norwegians get things subsidised for them or when Swedish people get free university, where is the "Islamic wealth sharing"?

oshea44: you are part of the people why Nigeria will never grow, Qatar and Kuwaits citizens are poor, forgot what you see on Tv.

Indigenous Qatari's and Kuwaiti (the land owners) are not poor. Far from it, everything they do get s subsidised and the poor people in these countries are immigrants from Ethiopia, south and south east asia.

Rossikk: I think the joke is on you. Qualified and eminent scholars in the field routinely draw up linguistic evidence as proof of filial connections between peoples, and you cannot trash it by sounding smug.

This is bu[color=#000000]lls[/color]hit. If someone can disprove a st[color=#000000]up[/color]id theory then they've disproven a st[color=#000000]u[/color]pid theory, no matter who it was written by. You talk about smugness right after you go on about "qualified and qualified scholars" as if that makes any difference to an argument. If something is wrong anybody with a proper argument as to why that thing is wrong has a say.

Rossikk: Utterly insufficient and unsatisfactory basis to explain the wide range of linguistic congruences.

Can you even confirm any of those so called ancient Egyptian words? Look at the pure thirst to stretch the meanings of the Yoruba words to fit with the Egyptian. And there's even comparisons with proper nouns without elaborating on the etymology and how they are cognates and not just similar sounding words, kind of like comparing Orlu with Orleans. According to your list Ausa is 'father' in Yoruba (? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?), and that's just one I'm willing to go through because I know it's filled with more bull[color=#000000]s[/color]hit. By the way how is the plethora of ethnic groups in West Africa, including those speaking language isolates, explained by this theory?

Rossikk: What languages pre-date Medu Neter, the language of Ancient Egypt??

Care to name them?

The early period of Ancient Egypt is closer to our time than island hopping migrations in the Pacific. In fact the first Australians arrived on the southern continent equivalent to ten times the time between now and pre-historic Egypt. Some of the oldest languages in Africa belong to the Khoisan. Not to even talk about 200,000 year old human remains.

Were you serious with this question?

Rossikk: And a ''similar sounding word'' for a thousand and one other things. NOT JUST WATER.

Oh, and linguistic evidence is only ONE in a collection of evidence elements. You tie in the linguistic evidence with evidence drawn from similarities in cultural practices, religion, philosophies, archaeology, oral traditions etc etc. Based on this you then form a theory. So it is not just all based on linguistic evidence.

What archaeology are you talking about?

Rossikk: Igbo and Yoruba MIGRATION from the Nile Valley thousands of years ago meant that their languages would adapt to those of the West African forest regions over time, while yet retaining the stamp of their Nile Valley heritage via similarity of words used with ancient Medu Neter etc.

Doesn't make any bloody sense, the languages are still completely different. What migrations were these and from what dynasty, era, so we can know what kind of Egyptian we're even talking about. 'Adapting to the forest', what does that mean? Arabic is distantly related but still sounds close to Coptic today. You mean a giant of a culture like Egypt went to a forest region and nothing of them is recognisable today. Your diffusionist theory has been proven wrong.

Rossikk: Spare us your colonial-invented AFRICAN language classifications.

And who exactly do you think started this word of West Africans descending from Ancient Egyptians? I will like for you to tell me why Hausa or any other language should not be classified as Afro-asiatic. All your arguments are too emotionally driven. You don't have any proper sources whether indigenous or from academics. What would you say to West Africans that claim they did not migrate from anywhere, are you going to suggest to them that they came from Egypt a civilisation they did not know existed until Colonial expeditions started in the 1800s?

At the end of the day this Egypt s[color=#000000]h[/color]it was started by insecure people that know nothing about West African history. All the so called evidence is pure s[color=#000000]hi[/color]t. You can use those methods to link West Africans to early India, but wait, don't tell me, the West Africans founded Indian civilisation right? Funny how we're never talking about how West Africans are connected to people in the east or south.

Bunch of insecure s[color=#000000]hit[/color].

Eziachi: If you don't like MASSOB or felt superior to them or their effort, their method etc, please kindly form yours, let us Biafra look at it, if its the better alternative, we will follow you. But don't go on about something that you offered nothing but no alternative.
I can't speak for MASSOB, but I knew that they are everything but violence.

I admit that I do not have an alternative, but I know that by the way MASSOB is presenting itself that they aren't perceived as a 'serious' group. Give me a declaration, give me a defined map of the proposed 'Biafra' because the old Biafra is certainly dead, give me a plan of how this new country will fill the inevitable power vacuum after independence, evacuation procedures incase of any violence to indigenous Biafrans 'abroad', give me methods on securing recognition by major economies, then I'll apologise for the statement I made. Maybe 'Biafra's enemies' say some truth when they say everyone should learn from the past.

Abagworo: Someone has explained to you why we need Nigeria as much as Nigeria needs us. We need to plan a good future in united Nigeria than a bad future in a disintegrated Nigeria.

There's no 'need', only a 'want'.

Afam4eva: There's a reason why i used pseudo-illiterates. I know a lot of Traders these days are graduates but it still doesn't change the mindset of a lot of them. If you steal in Onitsha market just like in Ariaria and other markets, you'll get burnt alive. That will rarely happen in a non-commercial town where you have lots of educated civil service peeps. People in Onitsha market and other markets in Nigeria, no matter how educated they are, can be irrational when they want to be. If we must fight for Biafra, it has to be in a more subtle way and not a by-fire-by-force method. We have to make MASSOB attractive so that the likes of Soludo, Akunyili, Ezekwesili, Utomi, Nwobodo etc will think of sympathizing with them. But these people associate with MASSOB cos they see them as bunch of semi-uneducated folks with a few exceptions. they'll rather roll with groups such as Ohanaeze ndigbo.

Although I support such a demonstration, I agree that MASSOB isn't the right group to handle anything, especially anything political. They have no direction and nothing but violence and confusion will come out of it unless they figure out what they want. They haven't even defined what 'Biafra' is yet and how many people within those border actually want to go with them, the economics, trade, international recognition, possible retaliation and so forth.

greatpaulo: I am laughing at those you claiming that the forefathers of the Osu people committed untold atrocities that made them to be banished from the land. Hahahahahahaha... Fools are fast in judging the sins of others without minding theirs. Our girls (the dialas or amadis) commits abortion as if there is nothing wrong about it, and we still accommodate and marry them. Some of our boys are cultists, armed robbers, murderers and serial rapists, yet we do not banish them. The forefathers of the people you call Osu never committed half of the sins you are committing today, and you still claims to be dialas and amadis.

First of all abortion isn't a crime. Well if no one sacrifices anyone to Osu anymore then it's pretty obvious why a lot of diala are not Osu after committing crimes. After committing a crime Osu was jsut one of the options which included exile, slavery, and execution. People still get punished today, no?

greatpaulo: WISE UP MY PEOPLE! The more you call them Osu, the more God blesses them with knowledge, wisdom and riches. As far as I'm concerned, we are all one with equal rights and opportunities.

Well, that kind of thinking is why there's a stigma attached to osu in the first place, that their the property of a deity. I don't know what else to say.

ROSSIKE: LINGUISTIC SIMILARITIES

Since Ferdinand de Saussure, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa).

One of the largest inhabitants of Egypt were Yoruboid , and it will be expected that a good percentage of their language will be yoruboid ,too. See the table below.

EGYPT YORUBA

101 Nam (water god) Inama (water god)

The words above are used to show that most Yoruban words are identical to the ancient Egyptian.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2139

Sometimes I wonder if you're being serious or you're just playing. Any similar words with similar meanings in two languages doesn't necessarily mean that they stem from the other. There are other reasons why two languages have some words in common, one of them is the human thought process like naming things using onomatopoeia, another could be coincidence, another could be influence by a language that predates both. You can't just claim Ancient Egypt was X because they share a similar sounding word for water.

And this is without considering the structure of the languages, as opposed to the words in it. Ancient Egyptian is Verb-Subject-Object (not-I'm-Egyptian), while Yoruba and Igbo are Subject-Verb-Object (I'm-not-Egyptian). Igbo and Yoruba are tonal while Ancient Egyptian or Coptic is not. Ancient Egyptian is Afro-Asiatic while Igbo and Yoruba are not. The phonemes of Ancient Egyptian and Igbo/Yoruba don't sound alike. You have better luck linking Hausa language to them.

Again I don't know if this is a waste and you're just messing around.

Haha, Illorin...

It won't happen because although the two groups are usually politically naive and loyal, their ideologies and culture is different enough that they don't get close. Most people in Eastern Nigeria are wary of Islam as well and that also contributes.

urchbarbie: very unfair how once fellow wld resort to such dehumanizing practice

You don't even know what it is so how do you have an opinion? I thought this thread is for information not for baseless opinions?

If i asked half the non-Igbo people why the osu system is demonising they wouldn't know what to say or they'd probably say something wrong like osu babies are eaten for the yam festival or something.

mbatuku2: Nri=Igbo and Igbo=Nri

Its the europeans that grouped other non-nri groups as Igbo based on similarity for convenience.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Rossikk: How so? You do realize that thousands of years ago the Sahara was fertile and by no means impassable?

In fact as late as the 1700s, after thorough desertification, thousands of people were criss-crossing the Sahara in trade routes every week, so what are you talking about?

Sumerians did not cross the Sahara to settle and later become the Igbo people. There's no evidence. The path towards Germany was as fertile, anyone can make a claim saying they descended from Sumerians because it was possible for the Sumerians to travel to their homeland.

Rossikk: How do you know that? Have you studied Sumerian culture?

I know that the Sumerian language is not related to any known language.

Rossikk: WRONG ON ALL COUNTS. First, the Igbo HAD writing (go and read up on Nsibidi). Secondly, knowledge of writing CAN 'disappear' when literacy rates plummet for whatever reasons either war, societal decimation/repeated dislocation, slave trade etc etc. What then happens us that such knowledge becomes limited to the initiates of cults, who protect the heritage, so to speak. This was what happened in the case of Nsibidi, whose growing common usage was arrested and reversed by the colonial interregnum.

Nsibidi is not true writing like cuneiform. You can't write a paragraph with nsibidi. Cuneiform and nsibidi have nothing in common apart from pictographic origins. Cuneiform came from seals for contracts, whereas nsibidi derives from miming. Writing does not just disappear because some people migrated.

Why would the Sumerians even migrate thousands of miles to the Equatorial forest? And why aren't there any traces of cuneiform writing on that path or anything that says the Sumerians or Akkadians recorded travelling to the Equatorial forest.

Not to mention that Igbo people aren't straight haired and blue eyed like the Sumerians depicted themselves. The only thing Igbo and Sumer have in common is brown skin.

It's highly doubtful, if not impossible that the Sumerians even migrated in significant numbers towards Lake Chad. Despite this, Igbo culture and Sumerian have little in common. A major difference between the two is that one had writing and the other didn't, that only shows that there was no such migration because knowledge of writing does not just disappear.

pazienza: Here is my hypothesis on this matter.

1, The people we today call abam,abriba,ohafia,edda,umuhu ezechi,igberre,aro,etc, once inhabited the area around itu in the present cross river state.

2. These people were igbo speaking,as could be seen from their names.

3. These people were pushed from this their itu abode by the ibibios/efiks/annang, into a more eastern direction.

4. These people didn't meet the land they occupy today empty,they met other igbo groups there,whom they overpowered and pushed towards the igbo central areas in northern abia and southern anambra(orumba area).

Some of the groups you mentioned actually know where they migrated from (usually Imo) and don't need a hypothesis.

PhysicsQED: Thank goodness he didn't even dream of that. That definitely would have been far worse for his credibility and his historical significance - especially from a racial standpoint - than anything you've criticized him for in this thread. And in fact, if he had done something like that and had been successful (which seems improbable to me, anyway) that would have been disastrous for the region and would have established numerous mini-states where the descendants of Arab mercenaries (who naturally, would have assumed the positions of governors of important outlying provinces of the mega-empire, as a reward for their loyalty and military support) would exert enormous power and influence over African states. And after this super-empire collapsed, the descendants of these Muslim Arab mercenary groups would probably still have retained significant influence and power in their areas.

Yeah, the white people have done that instead. Ha!

odumchi: Does anyone even know what this man is saying? This is pure Ibeku dialect at its finest. Music like this makes me proud to be from Abia state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSUODu-3zc

That's Ohuhu dialect. He's speaking it quite deep.

shymexx: ^^^^When I asserted that most of you have been brain-washed by Eurocentric lies, you disagreed. However, you just proved my assertion right by posting a picture of Egypt during the rule of foreign invaders.

Why can't you post pictures of Egypt from the pre-dynasty periods to the 23rd dynasty when everyone that ruled Egypt was black?

You're a joker!!!

I bet Obama being the President of America also means all Americans are black, no?

I don't really care what dynasty did what, that's the point. And the guy in the picture slaying those prisoners is brown.

[quote author=isale_gan2]Wow! On the contrary, I believe the primacy of Egyptian civilisation over the Greeks is beyond question. Even college freshmen learn that, at the minimum, the Greeks borrowed a lot from Egypt. And these are facts stipulated by Oyinbos who still want us all to believe that "Western Civilisation" is all there is. Studying in an all-white university, we were all required to take Western Civ I & II, where they proceeded to laud it over us on how great the Europeans are, despite the fact that they're not all in the west geographically. Western by association, you know. But they still had to concede that Egypt was a precursor to the advancement of Greece.

About the Nok, I believe they were in what is now considered northern Nigeria.[/quote]I was referring to Egyptian influence over Africa.

shymexx: How's the comparison with Romans and Greeks invalid? Isn't Egypt on the African continent? And were those two other civilisations in the Mediterranean and far from proper Europe? So why is Europe hell-bent on claiming them, yet we can't claim Egypt?

Well, it's well established that most Nigerian tribes that aren't proto-bantu migrated from the North East.

The only ones that can claim ancient Egypt are the modern day Copts. Stop trying to history-jack them in order to belong. You have no stake or claim. The Romans and Greeks have influenced the whole of Europe directly (Greeks literally defined and named Europe), while the Egyptians have never.

You can say proto-this, semi-that, it doesn't change the fact that none of the history of the near-east matches significantly with anything in southern Nigeria. I don't know where this north east established migration came from, maybe more diffusionist European essays? Leave Nubia and Egypt to the Egyptians and the Sudanese who can claim them rightfully. You will never hear a Nubian trying to link with your people.

https://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/enemies4.jpg

shymexx: Nok people have a NE/Eastern origin.

The people who did the uncovering don't even know what language they spoke, and you're claiming they came from a particular direction.

shymexx: I like Pagan - but he's absolutely clueless on this subject matter.

Till any Nigerian tribe can prove to me that their ancestors were created in Nigeria, and they didn't migrate from the North East, or East - then his argument is just utter nonsense!

So the conclusion to unknown origins means that a particular came from Egypt? What kind of theory is that?

shymexx: No, what Cheikh Anta Diop was to prove all liars wrong about the origin of the Egyptian/Nile-Valley civilisation and how quintessentially African it's. By using scientific methods. And yeah, that's an African "Bible." If Europe can lay claims to the Greeks and Romans - why can't we claim Egypt as well? Also, the source of the Egyptian civilisation is from both Nubia and Kush - and most Southern Nigerian tribes are of Nubian origins.

You need to stop being myopic and look at the bigger picture. How are we sure that some of the people in present day Nigeria didn't migrate from there, after the different invasions by foreigners? Most of the people who built that civilisation migrated towards inner-Africa. So where are these people?

They might have "smitted" the Nubians, but the fact that they never fought any war with their Nubians neighbours like they did with other invaders - Nubia being the of their renaissance after every invasion, should tell you everything you need to know.

Also, I see you omitted Dr. Chancellor Williams from your rebuttal.

Nobody said you can't claim Egypt and Somalia, but what you can't do is try and act like everyone in Nigeria came from Cairo. The comparison with the Greeks and Romans is invalid because obviously the whole of Europe was influenced by those civilisations, West Africa however was never in the sight of ancient Egyptians. It is untrue that most southern Nigerian groups are of Nubian origin and there are no such valid claims of descending from this place.

shymexx: I hate to say this; but I somewhat agree with everything Rossik said on this thread.

Cheikh Anta Diop and Dr. Chancellor Williams gave you lot a "Bible" about your history and where your ancestors came from, yet you white-washed Eurocentric never-proud-of-your-blackness coons are still hanging on to the Eurocentric lies and a Nigeria, or West Africa that had no human habitat, up until 1500BCE. SMFDH at these coons!

Cheikh Anta Diop or whoever wrote next to nothing as far as I can see about southern Nigerians, so there is no bible on anyones history here at least. These writers came at a time when there was a big afrocentric push to prove that Africans had civilisations that were basically fashioned in the same style as European ones, with the intent to show that the African was as intelligent because they could fit into Eurocentric notions of intelligence. The Eurocentric lies you should be challenging are those that claim that your ancestors accomplishments all hail from the near east and that without ancient Egyptians, which none of the southern Nigerians ever knew or cared about (and the same is the truth today), there'd be no civilisation in West Africa.

Everyone who believes in this mess can take their Egyptians and their "bible" and stop trying to force false ancestry on everyone else who are fine with who they are. After all, before Europeans arrived did any southern Nigerian have knowledge of an Egypt? There goes the so called Eurocentricity. If the Egyptians existed they'd mock your 'barbaric' selves for trying to history-jack in order to be in their pharaohnic league. The same Egyptians that smitted the Nubians just like the Libyans? Nonsense.

brokswater: Dismissing Femi Kayode completely by some pips here amounts to ignorance. He may not have connected all the dots. However the way the crime was performed and the killers hung around until the police turned up does not make sense. On CNN today a friend of Michael confirmed that MI5 asked him to come work for them recently. The friend that granted the interview has now been arrested. The more you look the less you see. Its like 911 planes crashing into the twin towers and shortly afterwards the buildings collapse like a pack of cards ...in addition building 7 which is in close vicinity of the twin towers and did not even get hit by a plane collapsed also.

Its easy to seat behind a computer and insult people. Its another think to belief everything the media tells you without doing your own research.

From the Muttallab (spelling may be wrong) attempted bombing to the Nigerian born Muslim who slaughtered a British soldier are seeds to sow that Nigeria is a terrorist state harbors terrorist and maybe developing weapons of mass destruction. Who knows Drones may become the order of the day soon. Watch this space!!!!!!!!

This is an insult to the CIA/MI5 who can masterplan a war in a day. If they wanted to make Nigeria a terrorist state then they'd fly Boko Haram to Washington. All this other pockets of violence is nothing.

Rossikk: Stop lying. Icke believes there is a humanoid reptilian race involved adversely in human affairs. He's by no means the first or only person to propound this view. How do you know there isn't? You need to keep an open mind regarding ALL possibilities. Afterall you never attack christians who think Jonah slept 40 days in a whale and walked out alive, and that a man named Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven before onlookers, among other outlandish biblical claims.

How do you know there isn't?. Classic.

Rossikk: None of these men has written any groundbreaking books on ancient African history. How many of them have even gone beyond Nigeria in their research and works? How many of them researched Egypt, Nubia, Kush, Kerma, and the Nile Valley civilizations? African history is not just about Yoruba, Igbo, Bini, starting from the 1800s. This is the period the likes of Kenneth Dike, Michael Crowder and co deal with. Did they research the great African migrations from north to south thousands of years ago following the desertification of the Sahara and foreign invasions culminating in the Arab invasions of the 7th century? Nope. But the people you call ''akata historians'' go the whole hog in African history, to the very beginnings, and do not limit themselves to Nigeria or to the 17th century onwards like your sources. Your sources are EXTREMELY LIMITED in the scope and depth of African history they cover This is why we cannot name a single work by any of them that has any real following.

Cheikh Anta Diop, author of The African Origin of Civilization was a Senegalese historian by the way, and he went ALL THE WAY BACK and defended his findings before his global peers at UNESCO in 1974. His findings based on groundbreaking evidence his peers were unable to dispute, were that the Ancient Egyptians were black Africans and that any history of Africa was incomplete without linking it to the great civilization of EGYPT.

In the context of Nigerian history, Egypt or any other Nile Valley civilisation is irrelevant as far as we know. The only pre-400 historical theory we can make for Nigeria are the Sudan migrations, Nok, and the Bantu expansion, all other Near-East centric stuff does not concern Nigerian history therefore there is no need for Nigerian historians to start diffusionist theories of Igala from Memphis. Many Nigerian historians do not care what the so called race of the ancient Egyptians was because it makes no difference to Nigerian history. You could say Black nationalism isn't very big in Africa in general because everyone already knows their ethnicity, unlike many in the diaspora, and relevant and mostly reliable West African historians do not necessarily look down on West African history in favor of the Nile. Nigerian historians aren't looking for an empire 2000 miles away and from 3000 years ago to boost their historical and cultural esteem. Anyone who makes absolute claims that Nigerian cultures were directly influenced by ancient Egyptians is usually not looked at as reliable. The first people to claim this Nile-Niger connections were European missionaries and colonial officials who held strong diffusionist theories.

It is patronising to suggest that Nigerian historians do not venture further back than 1800 because we know that is not true. Most of the arguments based on ancestry in Nigeria are set well before 1500 in most cases. Nigerian historians are for the most part confident in their own ancestors accomplishments which rivals and may even precede the so-called ancient Egyptians. If ancient Egyptians had met pre-1800 'Nigerians' they would have considered them as foreign as Libyans and Babylonians, maybe even more so, just like they saw Nubians as foreign, so it makes no difference to Nigerians/tropical Africans what their accomplishments were.

Is it because the terrorists are Nigerian? If the hacker was a Somali would anybody care about the irruminati?