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alj harem:All of which can affect ethnic groups, Igbo people do not historically have the same diet or climate or altitude of an Ijaw person. What are these races, and what are the conditions that separate them into races? |
IBEXY:They were bought with the help of Igbo people. |
alj harem:That doesn't even make sense, how can DNA classification be based on "race" but cannot be based on ethnic groups? Secondly, how do you check race if finding a 'pure' reference is impossible? |
What town are you from, Agukwu Nri? Aguleri? Enugu Ukwu? etc. |
Umunri is a clan, an of-shoot of Umueri. |
Edo culture is not prevalent in Igboland, whereas their political structure is. Ibibio influence in religion is more than Edo. |
EzeUche:Ibin Ukpabi is dead and gone, and if not for the British exaggeration, most people wouldn't have remembered it. No one even knows what Ibin Ukpabi is but rather the 'Long Juju' which the British called it. The oracle wasn't even 'made' by Aro people. On the other hand, the Nri influence in Igbo religion is still strong, although Nri itself has died down. EzeUche:Those kings are actually kings and war lords, the Eze Nri was a ritual head. Nobody said the Nri clan is 'paramount'. |
EzeUche:What influence did Aro have? |
Abagworo:Who claimed Nri is the origin of all Igbo people here? |
Abagworo:Yes, that's because those are Nri settlements, and Nri didn't settle so much southwards. ChinenyeN:Isn't hegemony when someone has absolute power over another group of people? The pope is the head of the Catholic church, does that make him a supreme leader over Argentina, the Philippines, or even Italy? hackney:What do most Igbo people know? Do they even remember to teach their children their language, let alone who Eze Nri is. |
ChinenyeN:It would have been better to say Nri and non-Nri instead of using linguistic classifications of the 20th century that include very large areas. When you say northerners you're including people who also have nothing to do with Nri apart from religious ties. The discussion was never about how the Eze Nri have authority over the people outside of Nri but about how they are respected outside shown by some communities reliance on the messengers to solve cultural and spiritual problems. There are legends and stories that would have died off in Igboland if the British weren't interested. |
ChinenyeN:I mean there's no solidarity with being a 'southerner' or 'northerner', people from the Enugu area are as different from Nri as people from Okigwe. Even the Umueri clan itself have individualistic clans. If there was going to be claims of Nri rewriting history then it would be them alone and not soem 'northern' coalition against the 'south' just like someone from Ohafia wouldn't be in a coalition with people from Arochukwu to rewrite history for Arochukwu. [quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810486#msg8810486 date=1311883128]I'm guessing you mean other religions such as Christianity and Islam? Those to religions were spread thru militaristic-type actions/conquest and intimidation,which Nri is believed to not have done.[/quote]Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc. [quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810486#msg8810486 date=1311883128]So again, how were the Nri able to get other Igbos to drop whatever practices they were doing and embrace their own without militaristic prowess or intimidation?[/quote]The use of 'peace warriors' and the foundation of towns through these mburichi and also other officials. [quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810486#msg8810486 date=1311883128]Ezeagu, dont take my question as one trying to discredit Nri. I'm just trying to get an understanding. Also, which practices in out culture is believe to be of Nri influence and which are not? Furthermore, I need this understanding because according to the claim, one may thing that the people today known as the "Igbo" had no culture at all before the Nri came.[/quote]I already listed the influence on the front page quote/ The Market Days Taboos Chineke and Chukwu supreme deity Yam medicine, and Yam mythology Foundation of some of the deities, like the Ikenga cult. And some other smaller things including symbolism, (ọmu). /quote You can take these things away and Igbo people will still have a culture, plus it's not a thing of shame not to have had these concepts hundreds of years before time Europe was suffering the pestilence from their lack of common bathing. [quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810486#msg8810486 date=1311883128]Another thing, there is a claim on Nri 'influence' into the Igbo culture. By using 'influence' one would say that a culture already existed, so then, how could the Nri be 'head of Igbo cuture and religion' if the "Igbo" already had a culture?[/quote]The foundation of what has become the most important parts of Igbo culture (market days, Chukwu and others) would make the Eze Nri, or at least the first one, the head of Igbo culture. |
[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810250#msg8810250 date=1311880397]How were the Nri able to get other Igbos to drop whatever practices they were doing and embrace their own without militaristic prowess or intimidation?[/quote]Same way other religions did. [quote author=Chyz* link=topic=721483.msg8810250#msg8810250 date=1311880397]About the Aros defeat by "the British", actually if you read deeper, the british used other Igbos from Oguta, Asa,. . .(Riverain Igbos ) to defeat them.The british aint really do it themselves.[/quote]Who did the Aro use for wars?ChinenyeN:There's no such thing as "northerners" or "southerners" in Igboland, or at least I've never heard such a thing. EzeUche:Kneel to what? There is no king in Igboland that will say he has more authority in Igbo religion or culture than the Eze Nri. Did the Eze Aro battle crazy deities, no. Nri "hegemony" is what gave all Igbo groups some of the most important parts of their culture. EzeUche:What is the deity of your village? |
Yes. |
EzeUche:Nri is a religious state without a military and had no militaristic tactics to gain influence. Nri gained influence from religion. Arochukwu gained influence from intimidation. Arochukwu played an indirect hand in destroying Nri which declined before Arochukwu was defeated by the British. Nri influence has died off from what it once was hundreds of years ago, it's not an exageration of Nri's influence otherwise the Eze Nri wouldn't be flown over the Atlantic as the representative of Igbo culture, or maybe it was an Nri conspiracy. We also know that Nri agents were called throughout Igboland to help in spiritual problems. Eze Nri is the head of Igbo religion and culture on earth, anything else including politics is irrelevant. |
As long as there's things in Ngwa or anywhere else in Igboland that's traceable to Nri then it has or has had some influence over those people. |
ChinenyeN:There are towns founded by Nri people that don't believe Nri 'has any business' in their land. The point is that the Eze Nri is respected as a representative of Igbo culture, in all parts of Igboland, and there is no dibia or shrine servant that has power more than him and his messengers. EzeUche:Well if you understand what Nri is and what Arochukwu is then this would be an irrelevant statement. Plus Nri's influence is much more deep rooted than anything Aro has given to any other community. emyworld:That's a massive gap between 2400 BC and 1160 AD. |
EzeUche:How can they not know when some basic parts of their culture is Nri, that's sort of like people from Napoli not recognising the Vatican, who cares, their Catholic religion was developed in the Vatican even though the pope no longer holds power like before. |
EzeUche:Even Ojukwu went to Eze Nri as the Eze of Omenala. The Eze Aro himself would not put himself over Eze Nri. |
EzeUche:Is that why they use Nri market days? Even the ọmu used by Ekpe and Okonko has its ritual origins in Arochukwu. Nri died off around 200 years ago so it's impossible to judge it's influence from today's observation. |
EzeUche:It's not a matter of recognising it or not, Nri agents have power in all of Igboland. |
Microsoft Office 2010 for Nigeria: Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba have releasedhttp://www.codewit.com/africa/3330-microsoft-office-2010-for-nigeria-hausa-igbo-and-yoruba-have-released |
Pure dumbassness on this thread. |
Goldieluks:Ibo is a corruption of Igbo. Phate07:We need to get rid of this myth, there's no such thing as Ibo for Igbo people. |
MeandSum:Well done. |
odumchi: ChinenyeN:Ibin Ukpabi is an oracle, not a deity, it is not Chukwu itself, it the place where the Aro believed was the portal to Chukwu. Ibin Ukpabi in Ibibio means. quote/ Up until the turn of the twentieth century, people were taken to a dark chamber in the cave to appear before Chukwu (God) for judgment and to the Oracular Shrine of Ibin Ukpabi for ritual processing during the slave period. A six-foot gully leads into the Cave Temple Complex. In addition to the Oracle of Ibin Ukpabi and the Chamber Presence (of God), there is the Throne of Judgment, an altar (the kitchen area), the Shrine of unclothedness (where victims were stripped Unclad), a hill of rags (the place where they dumped their clothes is like a hill of rags), the meandering Stream of Blood, and the Tunnels of Disappearance. /quote http://www.wku.edu/~johnston.njoku/arochukwu/temple_complex/ Ibin Ukpabi is most commonly known in Nigeria now as the Long Juju as the British called it. Chukwu already existed in Nri mythology through Eri. BabaRamo:It would be good if you read up on the background story of this museum before displaying ignorance. The museum is recent (from 2009) and uses imported materials bought and brought directly from Igboland by Igbo people. The houses in the museum were built with the help of Igbo mud house builders and the museum installation was opened with the invite of several Igbo organisations which included a masquerade show. If you want to learn more go and visit the museum. |
Look at how the bekes are frightened in that bus. They didn't even come out. ![]() |
[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=722441.msg8804382#msg8804382 date=1311816716]There are Yorubas that have skin complexion like mixed kids. Especially ekiti/owo/ondo/akure people. Ijebus also.[/quote][quote author=tpia@ link=topic=722441.msg8804408#msg8804408 date=1311817175]nowhere in yorubaland without light coloured people. the ones from kwara and oyo are lighter than the areas you listed.[/quote]Sounds a lot like [size=14pt]Bragging![/size] |
The color-blind 'we-don't-have-issues-with-colour-the-igbo-do people have turned it into who is black enough to be governor. ![]() |
What's with the bus to nowhere? |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=721602.msg8804596#msg8804596 date=1311823458]So what should the customs officials have done? Goods imported into the country, no duties paid on them. Just smile and let them carry on? This to you is the way to treat lawbreaking? Anyway, if so, then let the rules be uniform across the country. Let me import from Benin Republic or directly into Lagos w/o paying any duties.[/quote]How is it that you've figured out that the people were sneaking in goods, while the paper claims they were customers and that the customs officers were seen as heavy handed to the point that several newspapers reported that they were acting like they were out to sabotage? Even if they were sneaking in goods, in what kind of society do customs officials intimidate traders and customers and destroy peoples property without trial? [quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=721602.msg8804596#msg8804596 date=1311823458]What incentive do the northerners have to sabatoge Tinapa? What do they gain out of it?[/quote]I don't know, all I know is that the whole thing was a weird situation likened by newspapers to sabotage. [quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=721602.msg8804596#msg8804596 date=1311823458]Err, you haven't argued your point at all. Again, show us how the FG failed Tinapa. You may even be right, but I want to see a precise argument about what exactly they should have done, which they did not.[/quote]Ehh, I've provided proof that Tinapa failed because the guidelines weren't agreed on, which led to heavy handedness by Customs officials which led to no trade or investment. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=721602.msg8804548#msg8804548 date=1311822181]FTZ != import goods w/o paying tax, man. That is the whole point. That is why customs agents went to seize goods. If I bring goods across the border from Benin Republic or into Lagos port, won't I have to pay import duties? If so, then why should Tinapa be exempt? Idea of a FTZ is to import raw goods and export finished ones. Instead they were importing finished goods and selling them into naija (at least, this is what I gather from what I've read.) And my criticism is not that you are googling, but that you seem to be using the articles as a substitute for your argument. You've claimed that Northerners killed Tinapa, but not offered any evidence for this. BTW, I am no fan of the north. But imo it seems very lazy to blame every bad thing that happens in Nigeria on them.[/quote]I do not agree that the customs officials are reasonable in impounding people's cars because of apparent finished goods in them. Impounding a persons care because of fabric? If they weren't trying to sabotage Tinapa, then there are some even worse of block heads in Nigeria than I thought. By the way the guidelines weren't set because of some sense the Minister of Finance and the Comptroller General of Customs were playing when they decided they didn't agree on anything. The whole situation was a blatant sabotage by ministers from the north (Hamman Bello Ahmed and Shamsuddeen Usman) and the same thing wouldn't have happened in their enclave. Anyway, back to the point, Tinapa didn't fail because of Donal Duke's incompetence, whether it was by Northerners or not, the Federal Government failed Tinapa. |
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) to defeat them.The british aint really do it themselves.[/quote]Who did the Aro use for wars?
