₦airaland Forum

danjumakolo:
Yeah like seriously like the pic.
The whites met the northerners with a complete system of administration in the eighteenth century.

That was why they respected the northerners more than the south.You could see the way they honoured sir balewa and sardauna..

Queen of England said during her first visit that her plane will not land anywhere but Kano to have a feel.of the Hausa dynasty

British people don't mean shit, they aren't gods.

BuddahMonk:
What we need to promote in East is Igbos forming conglomerates and be listing on the exchange, invest in East and retain profits in East

That will only be achieved with Ibaka (or Onne, etc).

gbosaa:
We need more industries in the East though.

If not religion and forbidden of alcohol by Islam, sabmiller onitsha and the malting plant would have been somewhere in the north...(my opinion). Apart from innoson and ibeto which are one man enterprise/indigenous, I can't think of any other mega industries in the east.

When we shout marginalisation, they call us wailers. If brothers buy tickets and stuffs with their hard earned money and head towards Malaysia etc to meet desperate buyers of certain 'goods', they shout 'igbos love money'..

Meanwhile most of the industries funded by federal government are either in Lagos/sw or the North.

Defence industries corporation...kaduna
Civil aviation...Zaria
Massive projects going on at Lagos ports, meanwhile brothers who patronise those from Aba,nnewi,onitsha and owerri would have mallam usman or olawale strategically position themselves with their custom colleagues at oreh or any of the routes leading to the east to extract and extort more money after harassing them at the ports.

Nnamdi, you are as just like chino. I'm not your fans but I'm beginning to fill my head with your nonsense.

Pls enough of breweries in the east, we are not drunkards. We want more fabrication and manufacturing industries, household goods of export qualities, construction industries not Chinese firms that abuse and disrespect workers, heavy investment in Agriculture..food and machinery,rail lines and well tarred roads.

Well, this is kind of a moan. Instead of the whole of the east to come together and plan strategically many would rather moan about marginalisation when the east has the highest standard of living. Other people don't have two heads, let's start with Ibaka: https://www.nairaland.com/2520568/eastern-nigeria-development-ideas

Phut:
I don't think "beautifuness" is a good test case
@ Ezeagu: Thanks for the translation.
Ezeagu and Scholti how do we say the following words. Is there an already workable affix for these words or is there a need to extend the already existing:

biliousness, wantonness, manliness, faithfulness, freshness, wretchedness, trimness, abruptness, aggressiveness, righteousness, attentiveness, craftiness, fastness, fieriness, genteelness, gratefulness, greasiness, grouchiness, haughtiness, humbleness, indebtedness, queasiness, spaciousness, squeamishness, awareness, graciousness, bitterness, braveness, brawniness

I'll do a few for time:

ọgbụgbọ, mmaụma, òkè, ókwúkwé, ọhụrụ, nnọnụkọ, mbá/ụ́já, óbìọcha, ụrụ, ọsịsọ, okomoko, umeala, oyi/sọ oyi, mmụwa ányá, ịkilu, ịgbágbá

scholti:
As I wrote earlier, the Igbo language does have its native affixes (every language does), but they are simply too rudimentary for the milieu we live in now. A new energy must be added to the Igbo language for it to be a serious language, if not it would remain a language of domestic usage, and one that its natives run away from whenever they want to discuss politics, the sciences, philosophy etc.We need new accelerated affixes that cover the multidimensionality of human existence.

My question is why do you think they are rudimentary? The simple affixes are easier to understand than the compound-word-like affixes you proposed. The approach you're taking to me looks like looking at Igbo form outside in. It's like saying every word has to follow the English equivalent to shed its 'rudimentary' ness. Many people discuss politics, definitely philosophy, and even sciences in Igbo, now is that many may use English loan words for more complex things.

scholti:
With all due respect, there is not a single modern language that doesn't use affixes, from 'Greek/Latin/French', if you choose to see them as the birthplace of affixes. Affixes are universal to all languages including Igbo, they come from frequency or convenience. It is not true that Chinese doesn't have 'those' affixes. As well as having native affixes, it has borrowed many affixes from English directly and indirectly (through Japanese).(http://www.colips.org/journals/volume21/21.1.2-WangLei.pdf). There is not a single language that is breathing,- Arabic, Hindu, Russian, Lithuanian - that isn't robustly affixed. As languages modernise they become rigid, it has been the case for every language in serious usage; because they leave their simple ways of existing to more challenging topics and settings. It has to do with civilisation. Look at all the technology in the world and all the issues it faces; they must necessarily impact language.The Igbo language would incur a little rigidity but it is a price that every living language pays.

I have to read academic journals everyday and often they feel like a completely different language to common English. Every language on earth are the same, they may have different ways of saying things but they are all the same, that means they all share similar traits. English and Igbo belong to the same human language family, but the Igbo language is so poor in vocabulary and grammar that no Igbo discusses, Astrophysics, Economics, Biology, Engineering etc in it. You can't have vocabulary without grammar, the two move together. Grammar regulates word mutations. My sights are not just on English but in at least 15 languages that I have studied their grammars (I speak 6 international languages). Some of the affixes I am compiling, come from the bowels of the language.

Ghettosizing and refusing to modernise the Igbo language is why no one takes it serious even in traditional Igbo settings. The grammar is simply poor and results in comical translations by Igbo translators in an attempt to ring around English. Igbo is only used in domestics settings, farms and children playgrounds because it has failed to modernise. It has failed to do what Sankrit, Japanese, French etc did to bring their language to serious usage. This is not time for sentimentality, if the Igbo language must survive, it must create a new grammar and many new words. Grammar regulates words. Affixation is a well-known linguistical tool used to create words; languages have used them from time immemorial. No one that knows anything about languages would even suggest otherwise. The Chinese, Japanese etc are not fools to have borrowed lots of suffixes from English to enable them translate and use their languages robustly. Affixes are not unique to Latin or French or Greek, they are found in Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo, Zulu etc.

A language must have many layers of registers, classical, literary, scientific, idiomatic, slangy etc, if it must be a truly dynamic language its speakers want to use for the sciences, economics and multi-variegated human experiences (if that language wants to survive.) I give the Igbo language two more generations and if serious changes do not happen in its grammar that would enable the dynamic production of language (as well as a solidly developed vocabulary, not all the comical dictionaries around), it would either die or morph into a something that would even be avoided in domestic settings. Already, its speakers have mostly abandoned it. There is not a single functioning Igbo news site. I don't really blame anyone because after seeing what a language is capable of by learning world languages, nobody wants to tarry long with a diminutive language. Neither is the claim that the English being our national language impedes the progress of the language: the Hausa language is flourishing with many newspapers, in Nigeria and internationally; and many works of fiction and non-fiction are published each year in the language.

Maybe I didn't explain well since it was a quick reply. I know most languages have affixes, what I'm saying is that they deal with affixes in their own way. That Chinese journal for example gives us affixes and sudo-affixes which in the first page introduction has been described as different to English, these affixes I'm seeing on this thread look like a transliteration of the Latin/Greek/French affixes. Chinese may have taken its own process of affixation and extended it to other words and semantic fields influenced by English, but that's exactly what I was explaining you can do with Igbo now. Also every type of affix does not work interchangeably in the Chinese and English version for example. For instance, in Igbo, -ise/-ize is already covered by mẹ-, 'doing', so the word synchronise can be mmẹnyikọ. To use what ChinenyeN was saying, the affixes you used sound like we would be thinking in English and writing in Igbo. In some language affixes can stand alone, like -gate in the Chinese example given in the PDF we're talking about.

As I said before, I don't think rigid affixes should be added that ignore the system already in place because it would overlook the differences in Igbo and assume the Enlgish mode as superior, also when we then start using the different type of affixes they'd become confusing. I actually do not believe that Igbo speakers are abandoning Igbo, there are more Igbo speakers everyday. The phenomena of Igbo not being passed to children is the problem, although this is usually for those outside of Igboland, and there are a number of reasons for this that have little to do with Igbo itself. One reason is that Igbo speakers suffer under diglossia, which means even the most well versed Igbo speaker would write a notice board for example in English or would write a novel in English. This is because the language they are taught is English, there are no Igbo language schools in terms of teaching literature and priority subjects in Igbo. The dominance of English and the dominance of 'thinking in English, speaking in Igbo', as well as what we're saying about forgotten terms, has lead to perception of Igbo as archaic, even though people continue to speak it, also there's the perception that learning in Igbo or even teaching your children Igbo would hinder their chances at speaking good English which is dressed up as the worlds language, meaning opportunity. All of this boils to the point that even if you were to add all the vocabulary needed for the 21st century, or even completely change Igbo you would be hard pressed to find a 'middle-class' Igbo speaker who would send their child to an Igbo-language school, even though many "elite" send their children to French-language schools. It's because of perception, just like Latin was the only language of academia in Europe for hundreds of years. Like the example you gave of Hausa, it's flourishing in media because it's a lingua franca for millions of people who are from diverse backgrounds in northern Nigeria, as opposed to English most times. A problem with Igbo, however, is that its writing system isn't the best.

In terms of registers of language, English may have a simple and complex form for example, but German does not. Chinese may have a classical form, but English doesn't. It all depends on the history and function of the language itself.

scholti:
Yes, this is one instance, where the old Igbo grammar works well without the need for an affix (the new also works).
Her beautifulness shone throughout the room. (Mma ya chakwa na ulọime nile (traditional grammar)). I advocate for the intermingling between the old grammar and a new grammar. But in other instances appending '-ọnọdu (-ness)' is inevitable for a compact meaning.

Sample this sentence.The gameplay trailer was also unveiled prior to the release, showing the bread's quest to find the perfect level of crispiness and edibleness. (Egwuregwu ngosiizizi kpugherekwara tupu mwepụta, na-egosi ọchịchọ achịcha ịchọta larịị zuru okè nke ọnọduọhuru na ọnọduoriri.)

*trailer - ngosiizizi

I guess if you taught onodu and its words people would get it, but currently onodu is a word on its own so the compound words onodu ohuru and onodu oriri would mean 'new position' and 'eating position' currently, but I can see where you're going.

scholti:
The Igbo language does have its native affixes like '-efe' (over, excess)', '-aria' (repeat), '-da' (reduction) etc, but more needs to be created that would span every field of human endeavour, the sciences, philosophy, economics etc as well mundane aspects of existence. We must have readily codified answers (affixes) to 'Hydro-', 'astro-', 'bathy-', 'chrono-', 'chromo-' 'mis-', 'dis-' etc. We must be able to translate the word 'deactivated' (Sepuomumewo) in one compact word rather sentences. 'Sepu-' or 'wepu-' is my proposal for 'de-'; 'omume' stands for action; while 'wo' is my proposal for unusual or unorthodox manifestations of past tense (-ed) in Igbo. 'Misdiagnosed' is 'Ajọnchọputaọriawo', one compact word, with 'ajọ-' standing for 'mis-'.'Underrepresented' is 'Okpurunnọchitewo, with 'Okpuru-' standing for 'under-'. I am working on a list of more than 1000 Igbo affixes that covers all aspects of human life. The Igbo language must move towards codification, certainty.

The affixes you have written are interesting. I have heard and used 'ǹdóna-' in a running way to signify keeping (dobe, ndobe); 'òdó' is great. As I have written, the affixes I have come up with are blueprints. I want to create a conversation, a movement, to take the Igbo language to a new level, gramatically and vocabulary-wise. I am quite happy with any affix created, codified or rediscovered and put back to popular written and spoken usage, as long as they are there. They must be there if the Igbo language would belong to this century. So if 'ǹdóna-' stands or '-ization', it is fine; in fact I can see it working with words like militarization (ǹdónaagha), internalization (ǹdónaime), internationalization (ǹdónammekọobodo) etc. It is a good prefix for '-ization.' 'òdó' is also a good prefix for '-ist': economist (òdóakunauba), physicalist ( òdómmetuanya), activist (òdóomume) etc.

Sentence example
2.It's a long-held internalization that I, and so many of us, have. Ọ bụ ǹdónaime jidewo-ologolo, mu na ọtụtụ n'ime anyị, nwere.

From the little knowledge of other major, thriving languages in modernity I know, the Greek/Latin affix style in English isn't a necessity, in my opinion, to 'modernise' a language. For me, this transliterating the Greek/Latin/French prefixes doesn't modernise Igbo, but Anglicises it, and to be honest, it doesn't run smoothly with the current grammar of Igbo and I don't think people would pick this up. I can talk about Astrophysics in Igbo perfectly if you give me the vocabulary. There are ways Igbo handles words that English may handle in a different way, not because English is more 'modern', but because they are completely separate languages and should be left as such. For example certain words in Igbo do not have complete translations in English in terms of meaning, there may be words in Igbo that are more specific to something, there may be those that are more general than the English term, and because Igbo may use (compound) words instead of a single word doesn't mean it doesn't work. I would recommend looking at major languages from other language families if you haven't, and also looking at the etymology and development of the English language to see where I'm coming from. Look at Spanish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verb#/media/File:Conjugaci%C3%B3n_de_correr.png

In my opinion English is more rigid and inflexible than Igbo, this inflexibility can seem more 'scientific' and hence 'modern', but I would disagree and say this comes from the bias of the status English language has in our education system. Chinese is like Igbo in the sense that it doesn't have these affixes and it uses compound words instead, yet it is spoken with minimum loan words by more than a billion people for instance who are sometimes leading in technology in recent times without knowing a word of English. English uses those affixes because it has to. And again, Igbo is actually a growing language, but the problem is only with a few vocabulary words like computer and other words which have been forgotten. Which brings me to my next point.

Many affixes in English do not have corresponding forms in Chinese, can only be expressed by content morphemes ,the same as the contrary. such as: 老婆(wife). One Chinese affix that can have more than one English affixes, such as: 超自然(Supernature), 超支(over-spend), 超现实主义(surrealism). Certain prefixes translated to another langue which are featured with suffixes, such as: 可爱(lovable), pre-war (战前).

http://wenku.baidu.com/view/4d58d5240722192e4536f656.html

For the supposed needed affixes, the ones you listed such as da, aria, and so on are actually verbs that have adopted the role of an affix, this is unique to Igbo in terms of English, and in that way you can make any verb an affix, or correctly, a compound word. It's good you brought that up because this works for Igbo, and I honestly don't think anything needs to changed in Igbo because of this.

ChinenyeN:
Ezeagu is hitting a point that I plan on discussing. Ezeagu, I remember that discussion very well and I actually made notes on it, fortunately before the data loss. That is something that I actually intended on including in my response to Scholti. Also, for hospitalization, I would actually suggest nno as opposed to ndo, due to the relationship -do has with inanimate object, but that is only a passing thought.

Scholti, there's no need to apologize. We all live lives outside of NL that would typically hinder us from immediate response. Also, this topic is loaded and requires thought. So, I don't expect you to always have an immediate response to a post I make. I don't have time now, but I will certainly be back to post my response. I believe it'll prove interesting.

Yes, 'odonangwọ' would maybe be a hospitalisation specialist or something.

Phut:
@ ezeagu: what are the words for citadel, cross bow and Island?
And can you reproduce your thread from memory? We don't want summary.

Yeah, citadel, or walled enclosure like a fortress is iga, cross bow (Onitsha) is akpẹde (Bini: ekpede), and island is àgwà (more common) or àgwè.

The thread was about exposing the role of affixes in Igbo word creation. We were trying to figure out what the connotation of the affixes gave a verb root. We will use the verb má, to be beautiful, for example.

a - affix for either past tense, or for an institution, like an institution of beauty, if tha makes sense, so: àmá, past tense, 'was beautiful'; ámá, 'the beauty (in an abstract sense)'
i/ị - affix for being in the state of, or for the 'dictionary entry' of a verb, so: ịma, 'to be beautiful'
e/ẹ - affix for the inherent action of something/someone, so (maybe not used here so much, but): ẹmá, 'beautifying' ?
u/ụ - affix of the appearance of the verb, or the archetype, so: ụmá, 'beautiful', 'beauty thing'.
o/ọ - affix for he/she/it and something continuing the verb, so: ọma, good, do good; ọmá, they are/become beautiful.

n - affix for continuation, so: nma, beauty
m - different version of 'n', sometimes dialectal.

Maybe I didn't use the right translations, maybe I'm adding extra there, there was a wider discussion, but this is what I remember.

You see things like 'beautifulness' are simply 'nma', from the verb 'ma' to be beautiful, for example.

There was a thread I made on affixes in Igbo, unfortunately nairaland suffered massive data loss which affected the thread and it's gone.

To summarise, Igbo already has its affixed. From my experience, the problem isn't with Igbo grammar in general, but modern vocabulary. I'm also wary that many words we think do not exist do exist but have simply gone obscure because of the influence of English. For example, there are Igbo words for citadel, crossbow and island, but many people don't know these words now.

The affixes we talked about that already exist in Igbo word creating were the vowels, u a i e o, and m and n.

For a quick example, I'll try and makeup words for the terms you were considering using the affixes.

Agronomist - òdóùgbó - o [affix of him/her/it] + do [arrange, maintain] + ugbo [farm]. alt òdúgbó, òdómúgbó.
Hospitalization - ǹdónańgwọ - n [affix for continuing] + do [place, keep, stay] + na [in] + n + gwọ [heal].

And so on.

This is supposedly a "highway", for what, mud dwellers? Wouldn't it probably be quicker and safer to drive through the bush or village detours.

This isn't a bad road, this is a nonexistent road.

chrisbaba1:
God will definately use everything to back up his promise, and it may also interest ypu to know isreals MOSSAD is the most lethal intelligent agency in the world, isreal is also highly techologically advanced, all promises of God to them.

I watched an interview on youtube of an american isreali who went home (isreal) to join the battle at Gaza strip, he said on getting there he saw much devastation, he was nervous and asked his commander how many people have died this month, the comander replied "None" the soldier also testified that all through the months he spent on the battle field no single soldier was killed, only one of his colleagues were injured when a bullet hit a wall and the splinters hit him...... God is real and he still does his work, Isrealites know this and have confidence in God (they are just not christians).

Please don't reply me with this foolish nonsense again. Thanks in advance.

roob:
you won't understand cos,it's above your carnal ken. No offence, my dear.

Of course you would reiterate something like that when mortal men deceive you into believing they are somehow closer to God than yourself. So called "Men of God".

Good rendering.

PenSniper:
America, Europe and Nigeria are not the way they are respectively because of God but because each willingly chose to be the way she is.

Blacks are not backward because of creation but by our actions. I used black because what Nigeria suffers is a general syndrome of the black race..

While Europe and America chose to celebrate excellence, Nigeria prefers to extol mediocrity and ineptitude.

Whilst leaders of those two entities use their commonwealth for the good of the generality of their people,
Nigerian leaders believe in cornering the wealth for self to the detriment of the majority.

While Nigeria worship people with wealth regardless of the source of such wealth, the societies of those entities worship credible and verified achievements.

While truth is the guideing principle in Europe and America, falsehood is the bedrock of every policy of government in Nigeria.

Whilst divergent views in those climes are harmoniously articulated for the greatness of their countries, ours in Nigeria are used to divisive purpose.

While the necessary ingridients are provided for peoples of those climes to be patriotic, the impetus for such in Nigeria is virtually non-existent.

I can go on and on but please let these suffice for now.

Oh so God secured Israel's prosperity and security for, what? Eternity? And they can rape pillage and steal and keep that entitlement, but God can't even help your country with stable electricity? So God has left you to free will, but has some magico-religious hold that upholds the state of Israel (that didn't exist for more than a thousands years before the 1940s)?

Tradition. This usually happens in high profile African royal burials, but I wonder what kind of rituals they're doing. Will he be buried sitting?

EVarn:
Like I said,Iran is a terrorist country.Iran can never be allowed to acquired nuclear weapons,neither can Saudi Arabia{though it appears that they can easily purchase it from pakistan}.

What do you mean they can never be "allowed", when was Israel "allowed"? What would happen to Iran if they weren't "allowed" and they went ahead?

Sweetguy25:
What a terrible shame. Anyway, you can't mess with the Japs. They're 1 million years ahead of us in all positive areas of human endeavor.

Maybe Japan was an offshoot of Israel, you know, because that's the only way a nation can be successful, by being attached to the "chosen ones."

Anymore anus-headed Israel zombies?

adino:
What! Did you say half. At least 75% of the damn population. The stupidity and arrant Lack of knowledge is nauseatingly disgusting in astronomical proportion.

Some of these people are a threat to national security, all it would take is for some Israeli to ask for some of these mumus land and resources and they'll hand it over to their chosen ones. Some Israeli's came to size up the wealth in Nigeria and some Igbo people were jumping like macaques because they thought their sky daddy had come to confirm they were Jew-ish.

ghostmist:
What exactly is your grouse with Israel?don't you think they have a right to exist?


NL with their silly errors.I quoted ezeagu.

I don't have a grouse with Israel, my target are idiotic Igbo/Christians people who think Israel loves them or that some scripture written by nobody knows, probably Romans 2000 years ago explains in some divine way how Israel is able to exist today or that Israel is some divine state.

PenSniper:
Yes, they may exhibit some form of racism, but don't misconstrue my post as supportive of Israel but only to extol the Word of God. One's dislike for the Israelites shouldn't make us overlook His relationship with them and has nothing to do with brainwashing.
To me personally, the Word of God in the Bible is immutable.

But the thing, what word of God? Do you know how many religious scriptures are out there? And secondly, why would God allow a nation to sterilise other so called Jews because they are black? None of you sound logical to me, and all this God crap is really irritating considering the atrocities Israel commits on even it's own people. I guess it's God that also made Europe and America powerful and Nigeria a hell hole? I feel like a lot of this Israel worship comes from Igbo people because they believe they are Jews.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

Duru1:
You are living on the idiocy known today as "political correctness". The entire area known as British mandate is called Palestine which included today's Israel and Jordan. However when Transjordan was created out of Palestine, the creation of Israel followed a year later. unfortunately, the Arabs refused the creation and existence of Israeli nation. British was very much involved with the administration of British mandated Palestine and took side with most Arab nations during the era in this subject matter.

So why does Israel still exist and Britain didn't continue funding Arabs to take over Israel, why is Britain one of Israel's strongest allies? Let me guess, Jehovah? The "idiocy known as political correctness" is the reason why Nigerians could emigrate to the United State and United Kingdom in droves and escape the hell called Nigeria, which they maintained in I guess politically incorrect manner?

roob:
Yes, God uses the western World to protect israel...u don't think He would come down and do it Himself, do u?

I don't know how to respond to such infantile reasoning. Open a book. Any book!

emekachimek:
Israel is, rather, the strength of the Western world. The Intel behind American high techs are of Jewish descent. Israel is the only country that is not a part of the United Nations; they are the only SOVEREIGN state and America know that. That's why America is always 'romancing' them, so as not to anger them. My brother, Israel is UNTOUCHABLE, hoo ha

Nonsense, more Jewish supremacy bullshit. I don't know why Igbo people think Israelis actually give a shit about them. Lol, they'd sterilise you and take your land.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

Duru1:
If you think Israel has to be run like a kindergarten class, you are more brainwashed than you have admitted.

Let's take a trip to Israel and request citizenship, let's see who's more brainwashed than the other.

PenSniper:
OP, they did not turn against themselves on realising that they couldn't defeat Israel, rather Jehovah God who is at work.

Saddam Husein accumulated a mass of weapons primarily because of Israel. Ditto Syria,
Iran and Libya.
But Gadaffi voluntarily relinquished his nulear arms before the sword of Babel descended on Libya leading to the current chaos.
The same sword shattered the friendship between Iraq and Iran for 8 years of a war of attrition before GW Bush finished off Iraq. Till today, Iraq remains in turmoil.
Syria was by far the most powerful of them and all its militarization was against Israel because of Golan Heights but they eventually turned the weapons on themselves.

Hezboula is heavily armed against Israel part of which weapon and men are currently being wasted in Syria. I wont be surprised if a war sectarian war eventually breaks out between the shiites and the sunis in Lebanon when they shall turn the weapons on themselves.

Need i mention the current state of Yemen and the ongoing sectarian bruhaha involving Saudi Arabia ?

You only need to read what happened to the Medianite soldiers before Gideon and his 300 men in the book of Judges and the thousands of king Sennacherib of Assyria before king Hezekiah of Judah in the book of Isaiah to understand whats happening in the Arab World.

Mockers may mock, but the hand of God upon Israel will ensure they remain undefeated.
Forever, the word of God remains settled in heaven.

We're not mocking you, we're simply saying you guys are just the run of the mill brainwashed Africans and if you were ever to step into your promised land an Israeli would piss in your mouth.

https://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Nitzana04.jpg

Duru1:
Absolute nonsense!!. The first lost of territory, West Bank, by Israel to armed forces of Arab nations in 1948 was led by a British general supported by commanders of British officers.

So why has it only taken till 2014 for Britain to recognise Palestine. Why aren't the British and American forces in Palestine managing the Israeli settlers? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_military_relations#U.S._military_equipment_in_Israeli_use

Because Britain was trying to keep the territorial integrity of the demarcations they negotiated means Israel isn't backed by the west?

EVarn:
*Saudi Arabia supports a rather extreme version of islam called wahabism,and they are well known sponsors of aggressive wahabist movements across the middle east and north africa.
*Saudi Arabia is a shiite/shia country that abhors deep hatred for sunni ethnic nations like Iran and Syria.
*Saudi Arabia bears a deep grudge against Israel and they are sympathetic to cause of the defunct 'islamic state of palestine'.
Due to the 3 reasons above,giving Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons will amount to armageddon in the middle east; Israel could get enraged enough to launch an all out nuclear or conventional assualt to protect its "sovereignity and national survival",while Iran would be further motivated to arm terrorist militias to massacre both jews and shiite ethnic groups across the region and they would also accelerates theirs nuclear programme,posing further threat to regional stability.
It would become one big butchery.

So why didn't Iran get nuclear weapons and wipe out Jews?