₦airaland Forum

rka1: Isn't this what we have been saying on this thread since the BH saga started? It isn't about standards of living, etc and how can you negotiate with people who want an Islamic state against the wishes of the people who live there and the rest of the country.

A lot of the successes against BH have been intelligence lead if anyone has been reading the postings these last few months.

The story is BH were dressed in NFA camouflage on this occasion, which would probably explain how they were probably not picked up until it was too late.

Referendum will settle all. How can we say majority of the inhabitants in the North do not want sharia if we have not investigated. The constititution afterall is just a piece of paper which can be amended anytime.

Let everything come down to the table. When two elephants fights it is only the grass that suffers the most. People who make decisions do not suffer any pain at the end of the day. War is not the solution.

rka1: The people of Chechnya want independence from Russia as they are a separate region. The NE of Nigeria isn't the same.

Look at what was achieved in Mali by France with the right equipment. They insurgents fled to the mountains.

There is difference between political and religious insurgents. Religious insurgents are hard to contain, ask Russia.

rka1: We are more or less singing from the same hymn sheet. The situations in those countries that have been mentioned are a bit different in the sense that the community are by and large supportive of the rebel groups and willing to live under their rule or are fighting to create a state for their people i.e. the Kurds.

We already have personnel trained by the Israelis , Americans etc, so that isn't the problem. The issue is the right equipment. You are not going to get foot soldiers coming to Nigeria from Western Nations and the Nigerian establishment won't accept that.

The pressure should be put on the government to expedite procurement of the necessary equipment.

Terrorism can be defeated. Containing it is the first step and eventually the ideology will die out.

You can never defeat terrorism even with the best weapons in the world. Follow the history behind Chechnya and you will come to understand.

Obrafour: I think the Nigerian army exaggerates the number of BH boys they kill. The numbers are extremely outrageous, if those numbers are to be believed then why are the bandits able to hit back where it matters? I think the army includes civilian casualties to that of the BH dead.

I agree with you fully, the number of casualties is being grossly inflated.

Nigerian Airforce caught flat footed and loses two gunships at the hands of insugents.

http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/386c00ce-5b79-11e3-a2ba-00144feabdc0.html

rka1: @ Mike ZA,Don't be silly, Nigeria is not losing the war. Why do you think the base was attacked? Because the Air Force has been inflicting heavy casualties on BH. The question you should ask is why were the Air Force caught napping and should have anticipated the attack because of their successful operations against BH.

After all, it happened in Afghanistan when insurgents breached security and killed US Marine personnel and destroyed several Harrier jets and also in Pakistan where several maritime assets were destroyed.

It shows how desperate BH are, but you learn from any set backs and BH will be defeated and then I hope you will be able to show your hand here and give due accolade to our armed forces.

Chief, you will never defeat Boko Haram, unless you swallow your pride and seek a foreign help, but that will not come easy because they might force you to negotiate.

drag_on: boko haram a ,military threat please.? Who did they kill in the attack?How many of them were killed?Were they repelled?There was no curfew before the attack,the curfew came after they attacked.It is the desperate attempt of a dying group trying to raise flagging morale.Helicopters down?.There are about 3 or 4 on order before now so what? The planes they got were probably the de-commisioned MIGS. You guys can't deal with poachers that use asymmetric tactics with hit and run and you think you can deal with boko -haram that blend into society?

Stupppid!! It doesnt only have to be soldiers they kill. They destroyed your military equipment and killed innocent people. If you do not see BH activities as military threat, then you have something like a worm eating your brain.

drag_on: courtesy of Beegeagle Blog:

http://beegeagle./2013/12/03/nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-naf-931-now-a-more-advanced-special-mission-aircraft-undergoes-elint-upgrade-world-exclusive-photo/

The ATR -500 with the modification to put a passive radome,this will give it the ability to track and direct air assets towards hostile threats. Our F7s now have a bird in the sky that give them a huge RADAR/ missile tracking/lock advantage.

Note the orange arrow pointing at the radome. This is a before and after picture.

Just make sure BH does not bomb that one as well.

agaugust: the difference is clear....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Nigeria

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Yes, you are right. The wars which you faught are nothing compared to those South Africa faught from the WW1 to date.

Your victory against BH is misleading, infact it was supposed to have been marked "ongoing". Your army havent yet defeated BH and it is clear to the world that BH proves too heavy for your military. Wikipedia is telling lies here and it needs to be corrected.

You never faught any world war and your military does not have such honours on their name.

It is not yet confirmed as i heard from BBC if two Mi-24 gunships were destroyed during the insugent attack at the Airforce base in Maidiguri. Two gunships were deployed to Maiduguri during the state of emergency declaired by the president in May. It is too early to judge, but let us wait and exercise our patience until the truth comes out.

agaugust: south africa has NEVER won any modern day war fighting alone. stop fooling yourself dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_South_Africa

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So, What about Nigeria?

chris365: Nope. Negotiation is off the table as they are being cornered. These kind of attacks are bound to happen every once in a while. What you should consider is the casualty figure and who still retains territory.

The airforce is not like the army that is well trained in ground battles. But their ability to repel such attack and counter it is a sign of their strength.

Boko haram now brings in terrorists from Algeria, Mali, chad, Niger and Cameroon.

So who is the government supposed to negotiate with?

The only problem we have in this fight is Cameroon. They continue to give boko haram safe haven out of fear. And the time will come when they will regret it.

But, do innocent people continue to die against those who are prepared to die?

chris365: Nope. Negotiation is off the table as they are being cornered. These kind of attacks are bound to happen every once in a while. What you should consider is the casualty figure and who still retains territory.

The airforce is not like the army that is well trained in ground battles. But their ability to repel such attack and counter it is a sign of their strength.

Boko haram now brings in terrorists from Algeria, Mali, chad, Niger and Cameroon.

So who is the government supposed to negotiate with?

The only problem we have in this fight is Cameroon. They continue to give boko haram safe haven out of fear. And the time will come when they will regret it.

But, do innocent people continue to die against those who are prepared to die.

Eish!! Boko Haram, the president must just negotiate, nothing else. Really.

drag_on: unfortunately, the Liberian war victory is not yet entered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_South_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Nigeria

since 1960 when both became a republic.

South Africas war against Germany in South West Africa, now Namibia just on the brinks of the world war, which resulted in victory has not been recorded on the above list. My grandfather fought viciously on that war against the Germans and his pictures are still hanging on the wall. South Africa defeated Germany and colonised Namibia.

agaugust: most of the south african technological achievements were purchased and transferred directly from europe, america, and israel.

many doctors and engineers in south africa are foreigners who immigrated there to work, including many nigerian doctors and israeli engineers.


a lot of new inventions that you wont find anywhere in the world are being created in nigeria, even by our youths, we nigerians just dont make noise about what we do....


[size=16pt]Young female inventor dazzles Jonathan with power-generating football[/size]


"President Goodluck Jonathan on Friday expressed delight over the creativity of a 25-year-old Nigerian, Jessica Matthews, who invented a power-generating football called SOCCKET ball.

Matthews, who is a co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of Unchartedplay, was at the Presidential Villa, Abuja to present the ball, which can generate three hours of light from 30 minutes of play to Jonathan.

She also presented an energy-generating skipping rope to the President.

While congratulating her on her creativity and innovativeness, Jonathan said he was impressed that Matthews, who trained as a psychologist and economist, developed herself in the field of science"


http://www.punchng.com/news/young-inventor-dazzles-jonathan-with-power-generating-football/


[img]http://3.bp..com/-PDJM4LrtQP8/Ug6qpPp-LhI/AAAAAAAAq6I/fYzg0Q8em0I/s1600/PRESIDENT+JONATHAN+RECEIVES+THE+SOCKET+FOOTBALL+TO+ELECTRICITY+IN+ABUJA+1.jpg[/img]

Intellectual property is never something you can sell, only fools can do that. I guess SA also bought heart transplant surgery technique from Europe. Bwahahaha. Do you even know that South Africa was also robbed by the world to ever have developed the first cashpoint(ATM) in the world.

Moreover, SA does not have white foreign doctors or israeli engineers, only doctors from war torn and poor third world countries like Nigeria who are also under-qualified and who merely came to seek for greener pastures because their countries failed to offer better packages.

rka1: This is just one sector;

http://nbrri.gov.ng/Achievementsoft.php

The second dullest brain on earth performed the first heart transplant surgery in the world.

The second dullest brain on earth invented the first CAT scan in the world.

The second dullest brain on earth was the first to discover that coal to oil refeneries, when the whole world could not know that there are altenative methods to produce oil.

What have the giant brain produced other than yam?

South African dullest brain is moving forward.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32023/

The dullest brains making their mark while the giants lag behind in the world of technology.

The dullest brain in the world "Aerosud" lands a contract to design the interior linings of A400M airbus.

http://www.janes.com/article/30105/airbus-issues-a400m-contracts-to-south-africa-s-aerosud

rka1: Component manufacture and not assembly in SA. That is done in a European assembly plant. The components most probably made by foreign engineers in Denel.

Proudly made by South African engineers. Oh!! I forgot that you call white South Africans foreigner and if you can see me you will probably call me a foreigner as well.

The second dullest brains in the world lands the contract to assemble A400m military transport aircraft.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/06/19/denel-lands-component-manufacturing-contract-for-airbus-military-aircraft

Proudly assembled by the second dullest brains in the world. South Africa-is this not rhetoric.

agaugust: wow @Msauza, i will like to welcome you to the forum with this nice post that you missed in your absence my dearly beloved brother....



[size=16pt]South African Brains Rated Second Dullest In The World [/size]

...by The World Economic Forum (WEF) confirmed this once again in its Global Information Technology Report 2013 :


http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global%5B_id%5D=98913

the south african brains are so dull that the pass mark in secondary school and university is 33%

hungry zimbabweans do 3 times better in school than south african. under-rated nigeria stands tall as the most intelligent africans on earth

http://allafrica.com/stories/201304161594.html

if nigerian education is bad, south african brains are even worse, so much that nigeria's s..h..i..t looks like food to them, that they are begging nigeria to send those 'bad' brains to help save the worse brains of south african people.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200911090934.html


no wonder south african military has never won any war in their history because their brain dull welu welu

https://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/medical-no_brainer-brain-brain_surgeon-brain_surgery-surgeons-jlo0150l.jpg


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Nigeria, a nation with 170 million fools:

http://dailyindependentnig.com/2013/02/nigeria-a-nation-of-160million-fools/

drag_on: Your budget is so constrained such that it cannot utilise Alpha jets against BH. Who do you think we are SAAF.? we are buying more air assets while you guys can't get off the ground.
You used them before with the intention of intimidating them with massive fire. We don't want to intimidate them, if they want to stand and die fine.
The challenge that you had was that your pilots were so inexperienced that instead they bombed non-combat citizens. Go and ask the dead AQIM fighters in Mali how good our pilots are. Our Alpha are constantly flying while you guys fly your jets on PS3

"The SAAF’s budgets are so strained that its pilots struggle to clock the flying hours needed to keep their ratings current. There are only six pilots qualified to fly the Gripens and they clock barely a tenth of the 250 annual hours each, which European militaries consider the minimum necessary"

You must bring them down to Soweto so that we can test their skills.

drag_on: The good thing about the s.tucano is that it can sit upon boko.haram for hours preventing them from moving while the alpha jets bomb them,if they attempt to move it will just bomb their position or straff them with cannon fire, its rugged nature allows it to operate from a very remote FOB.

Your budget is so constrained such that it cannot utilise Alpha jets against BH. You used them before with the intention of intimidating them with massive fire. The challenge that you had was that your pilots were so inexperienced that instead they bombed non-combat citizens.

agaugust: most of the money in south african huge military budget is used to pay fat monthly salaries to your fat belly coward soldiers who dont want to die in any war with seleka rebels by returning to bangui to fight and show power.

reason why south african air force cannot maintain its jets and helicopters .....most of the money is used to pay salaries

nigeria has extra-bugdetary provisions for military spending in a security vote model, and we dont restrict ourselves to paper budget for buying weapons.

nigeria buys low cost weapons that have high value combat capabilities, but south africa is not intelligent enough to do that since you have the second dullest brains on planet earth.

south africa buys high cost weapons that your cash level cannot maintain and use in war, they end up in cold freezer storage and useless.

read nigeria's new Super Tucano warplane infromation below, Low Cost + High Effectiveness = Wisdom & Power

this new naija warplane has very long range of 4,800km to reach south africa flying from nigeria....you fool

https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5657710741_39426f91d0_z.jpg

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That is all lies my friend, HR has its own separate budget apart from that which is to maintain equipments. We have such a small well equiped military compared to your large poorly equiped military. I say again, your budget is just a drop in an ocean and will never run military equipments that SA have. You will only survive through second hand and by asking well industrialised countries to produce low-cost material for you.

drag_on: You obviously don't understand how economics works,and many citizens of nations become xenophobic as a result.Investments bring investments which bring growth.Exploitation occurs when investments bring no growth. MTN in Nigeria improves telecoms,they go home with a few millions a year but improved telecoms means multi-million dollar companies rush in to invest.Once investments reach a critical level(if the population can absorb any excess overflow of products),a company changes from selling a product in a country to producing it there,as long as the infrastructure exist. For example a company that sells telephones in Nigeria because of the existence of such infrastructure(telecoms) can go from selling to producing cause Nigeria is a large market that can absorb the shocks that occur if they can't export This brings manufacturing jobs that increase economic strength. FDI is a sign of a growing future export market not exploitation. The Money taken away is nothing in comparism with the money coming in and the jobs created.Exploitation occurs when you are being sold stuff you don't need to Grow/compete as a Nation.

edit : or sold at a cost that stifles competition/growth

Seemingly, you don't know the meaning of exploitation. You come from a country with limited political revolution, no wonder you don't know what is it to exploit opportunities.

souldust: SA companies only bought 1.5 percent stake in Dangote sugar. Dangote himself owns over 90percent of Dangote cement. So, no! SA companies are not buying majority stake in anything. SA companies cant buy majority share in Dangote, FACT! Do you even know how much they bought that 1.5 percent? Over a hundreed million dollar. They would go bankrupt if they decide to buy majority stake in any of our companies.

Tiger brand has bought more than 60% stake of Dangote flour.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/retail/2013/11/21/dangote-flour-mills-pulls-tiger-brands-down

drag_on: bad-belle, why do you wish an economy or country to go to ruin? xenophobia? anyway no more talks about economy,it could lead to a troll alert,i don't want to derail the tread.

I don't wish any country bad but the blunder you ever made was to let hundreds of SA companies 2 exploit your economy, because majority of this companies repatriate profit back 2 South Africa. Moreover, they have bought majority shares in Nigerias existing companies, including those of Dangote.

drag_on: There is nothing to be ashamed of, it shows that the kind of military we have is not some kind of yam you can plant in Nigerian farms. It has expensive machines that no any country in Africa can run. Including SANDF making it an incompetent Force.

About the GDP, our own is good for the population of 50 mil, which is just below the one-third of Nigeria's population. So, for Nigeria to be on par with SA it has to grow 3 x the GDP of SA. Shame on you that a country with such a small population like SA is still gripping you by the horn in all respects. You talked about budget performance not population numbers.Your large budget for a small country yields 1% growth.Nigeria's small budget for a large Population yields 6% growth, go figure.

Nigeria's economy is bound to fall by the next coming years, while SA is expected to grow. The economists have already made that prediction. Search the web and you will get the details why. You will never come any near us because is our companies who are benefiting from your economy.

drag_on: That says a lot more about S.A. and the SANDF than it does about Nigeria And Our Armed Forces,it is you who should be ashamed. . your Budget is 4 times ours as you say(i have not confirmed) but your GDP growth rate is 1/6 ours.Your Military budget is more but your Forces less capable than ours.

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-11-26-south-africas-economic-growth-slows-to-four-year-low-of-07

compare this http://www.tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-growth with this http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp-growth

There is nothing to be ashamed of, it shows that the kind of military we have is not some kind of yam you can plant in Nigerian farms. It has expensive machines that no any country in Africa can run.

About the GDP, our own is good for the population of 50 mil, which is just below the one-third of Nigeria's population. So, for Nigeria to be on par with SA it has to grow 3 x the GDP of SA. Shame on you that a country with such a small population like SA is still gripping you by the horn in all respects.

We are the true giants of Africa, who do not beat up their chest and pronounce themselves as such.