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agaugust: hahaha

you messed up really bad bro !

...why should i not challenge an indian in science ? i made grade A in all my sciences in high school

come to the nigerian classroom again, you want to know why you should n ot challenge a nigerian in sciences ? this is why .....

i never said Umbani speed will remain permanent at 35 km/h, i know a basic physics formula for acceleration, v = u + at

v = final velocity
u = initial velocity
t = time in seconds
a = acceleration

for free fall objects falling coming down in a straight line, it is a different calculation from a gliding object like umbani bomb (call it any name, munition or bomb, it reamins a guided bomb and not a guided missile for ever and ever...amen !)

the free fall bomb has no calculation of air resistance in that your childish arithmetical formula of your 33% indian south african brain.

you are very wrong !!!

the correct formula for umbani bomb speed is different because its is NOT free fall and faces air resistance and its own engine/propulsion drag/resistance due to its guidance control that alters its directions trying to locate a specific target, it also rises up slowly and drops down slowly at intervals trying to maneuver to its target on the ground.

the standard final velocity calculation you used by adding up 9.8 m/s many times per every second is very very wrong

" Falling cannon balls are not actually free falling - they are subject to air resistance and would fall at different terminal velocities."

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/mofall.html

the increasing velocity will stop increasing after only 5 seconds



"In all cases, the body is assumed to start from rest, and air resistance is neglected. Generally, in Earth's atmosphere, all results below will therefore be quite inaccurate after only 5 seconds of fall (at which time an object's velocity will be a little less than the vacuum value of 49 m/s (9.8 m/s² × 5 s) due to air resistance).

Air resistance induces a drag force on any body that falls through any atmosphere other than a perfect vacuum, and this drag force increases with velocity until it equals the gravitational force, leaving the object to fall at a constant terminal velocity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body

please never try again to challenge superior nigerian brains on sciences, reason they call us the giant of africa is not only in population numbers but also in brain quality

you are so careless you did not notice that DENEL did not give details of specific speed of umbani guided bomb because of the issues of complexities due to drag, air resistance, and upward-downward occasional maneuvers trying to locate a target.

the best speed you will ever get from a falling air gliding umbani guided bomb will be about 80km/h and it will be shot down and wasted by the very many and deadly nigerian air defences flying missiles at about 2,000 km/h and AAA multiple barrel air defence guns/cannon firing over 1,000 shells per minutes and muzzle shell velocity of 4,000 km/h.


let me hear you again saying that civilians are cannot equal military men on battlefield....say it again while i educate you with the video below.....

paveway guided bomb is the same technology basics as umbani and south african Gripen jets use the paveway guided bomb as at today...notice the slow speed that will make the bomb easy cheap breakfast for nigerian Type 90 air defence and anti-missile artillery guns...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRRXK7QnxaU

Man, the science that they teach you in Nigeria is rotten. Was that what you were always bragging about? You clearly misled people by assuming that bombs will hang up on the same velocity until I challenged you. Perhaps, you never knew any basics about free falling objects. Who brought up 9.8m/s gravitational acceleration of falling objects? Was it me or you. This is what you have said and I quote

"you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever" (quote closed)

You have never mentioned anything that the speed will increase with time. It seems to me that you are master of all trade, you've achieved Grade A in science, you are a chartered accountant, an MBA graduate and hopefully next time you will even tell us that you have a PhD. Tell us what is it that you don't know mister? People who have achieved like you will never waste their time on military discourse nor rather reason like you do. Such people are very articulate and dominate the corporate world with intelligence.

agaugust: thank God you said 'YOU' have deduced, we know your level as a degree holder in military agricultural science




NNS ARADU will use its Otomat anti-ship missiles to sink ALL south african navy warships at range 80km to 180km from a safe position of shallow waters where a submarine cannot dive deep enough to avoid running aground or being targeted NNS Aradu brand new American anti-submarine Atlas EA80 20NM passive anti-submarine sonar and dozens of torpedoes fired 6 at a time simultaneously.

you also need to await the arrival of Nigerian Navy's 4 brand new ultra-modern stealth warships from China/India next year..... FACT !!!










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Otomat does not have any combat history, it has never been used anywhere by any navy in the whole world. Umkhonto is highly optimised and proven to stop any sea skimming missiles and now that does not exclude otomat. You will run out of your Otomat and soon be left out of nothing to stop the valour class.

Augustine Again: ......

Gripen Jet, Rooivalk Helicopter Vs Roland SAM, Type 90 AA GUN


@all south africans, as many as you are ....i reply you all in one combines posts

you all posted very poor and internet based battle field tactics, no wonder seleka rebels defeated south african army

all you 3 south africans (including 2 soldiers) against me 1 nigerian and you still cannot win, which poor military academy did you go to ?

Roland is not on open display like new shoes in trade fair exhibition for enemy aircraft to come and hit.

Roland speed 2,000km/hr, Mokopa speed 1,900km/hr, Paveway Bomb 35km/hr,Rooivalk helicopter speed 278km/hr...and you forgot i said earlier that artilleries never stand alone to fight....Type 90 air defense gun has double cannon with anti-aircraft ammunition speed of muzzle velocity shell speed 4,200km/hr that is why it is built to shoot down incoming enemy missiles firing 1,100 shells per minute as a close-in-defensive weapon.

no Gripen or Rooivalk can jam electro-optical target guidance of both Roland and Type 90, technically optical firing guidance CANNOT be jamed electronically, thats why manufactures installed it as option if radar needs to shut down.
did you write and pass military exams or impersonator wrote it for you ?

radar will be switched of if aircraft threat is picked up by radar before a missile gets close. Roland radar detects incoming attack from 18km away.

you assume the only radar on ground is directly on the air defence vehicle, wrong, other radars independent are on the same army battalion formation for other purposes and some for deliberate decoy, older Bofors anti-aircraft guns in an air defence battalion formation will confuse any aircraft or helicopter far away 10km trying to act like a spirit or oracle and determine which radar is directly on Roland or Type 90.

no pilot will ever know what radar he is picking up from 10km away or 30,000 ft high in the middle of many targets on ground, and aircraft radar or targeting pods does not travel bending around corners, like a snake. radars are airwaves and waves travel in straight line, simple physics law.

dont add to a weapon more than its real technology can do in reality, modern weapon does not mean supernatural spiritual weapon.

south africa has no strategic air power like NATO , america, russia, china to carry out SEAD against nigeria's level of air defence and technological advancement, we are not Togo republic. 8 Grippen jets cannot do that level of SEAD.

Roland is for hitting low flying aircraft, but that low flying height is far up to 26,000 feet in the sky !

Roland shoots 8 missiles in less than 3 minutes, and reloads another 8 missiles in seconds.
Type 90 has too much ammunition resrves, its also reloaded rapidly in 7 seconds and many shells per catridge.

Grippen and Rooivalk can only carry few bombs and missiles at a time, and south africa has only 50 Paveway bombs and it will all be shot down plus any other weapons that comes also.

Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa are not among low calibre size high speed rate RCS minutions that wikipedia talks about. google the meaning of RCS, those type are usually very small and so tiny to hit.

all the south african bombs and missiles will be shot down by Roland in some seconds.

Type 90 also gives support to Roland, artillery never works alone, they work is a spider web of support.


the Argentina's Roland operator in Falkland war did a normal air defense tactical job by firing 8 missiles against 3 targets of British Royal air force, that is the battlefield standard, air defence fires extra missiles against incoming targets to ensure it shoots down everything of the enemy.

the Roland successfully h.it and d.estroyed all the enemy targets all at the same time, excellent Roland performance and record of its respected war history.

if you are infantry soldier in reaal war zone, and one enemy soldier faces you from a distance and he fires 2 bullets at you, will you fire only 1 bullet back at him because he is only 1 single man ? did you pass military academy exams or someone helped you to write your papers by fraudulent impersonation ?

Spain is NATO power still using Roland SAM today year 2013 just like Nigeria. Spain has money for weapons, not broke when it comes to military weapons buying. Spain paid about $10 Billion recently for 73 latest Eurofighter Typhoon far superior to Gripen. Spain still uses Roland SAM because it is still effective

Roland shot down both fast and slow aircraft, Harrier jet flies max speed 1,000km/hr, Tornado jet flies max speed 2,400km/hr and Roland has shot down all of them in combat, and those were British Royal air force jets pilots shat down, not even south african Gripen jets pilots that dont have enough flying hours to train annually and Rooivalk pilot that flew his helicopter blind like a bat into street electricity wires in broad daylight....south african pilots are far below the quality of British pilots Roland shot down.


Rolands wins, Gripen, Rooivalk, Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa all lose. i have posted many long details on this topic, i leave the rest to neutral public to judge us.

end of discussion

Let me just give you a friendly advice, never ever challenge any person with Asian decent in science for your whole miserable life again. Your intelligence has its boundries in Nigeria and that is where it ends. You want to know which missile is faster between missile Mokopa and Roland. I will challenge you to employ your Newton's law of projecting objects (projectiles) and apply your mind. A body is thrown vertically upwards with a velocity of 30m/s, calculate how far will the ball go? The correct equation to use will be S=ut + 1/2gt2.

Now, this is common knowledge that all projecting bodies decelerate/r.etard with -9m/s2 for every second of their journey until they reach their apex. On contrary, mokopa will be boosted by acceleration of nature which is +9.8m/s every second of its flight.

Nobody is disputing that Roland missiles cannot hit the fouth generation fighters. What we are trying to elucidate is that it poses more disadvantages than benefits at this age of time. The only effective mode of Roland's target engagement is through its weak radar system which can be detected easily and be jammed. Infact, all 4th generation fighters are fitted with radar detectors and most of them are hit through optical mode of engagement.
Of All those hits by Roland missile were through optical mode that I bet you my friend and such a mode can be rendered useless at night.

agaugust: you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?

i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?

Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland

South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement



you are looking for Roland from 100km away and 50,000 ft above, you fail again as usual the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.

tell me another story

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There is no any system as weak as that of Roland SAM to jam. Roland uses two modes, optical and radar, which can be switched interchangably during engagement. There is one problem though, during heavy jamming Roland SAM can only rely on optical mode which in turn can only be used during the day. OMG!! How weak is this crap, it could have been thrown in the dust bin many years ago because it will merely depend on luck to strike targets. Who said that our fighters will operate during the day when we have already jammed radar system of Roland. Even worse optical mode of Roland is not reliable in terms of accuracy.

Moreover, it will only be a craziest commander who can use expensive missile to stop cheap free falling bombs. My friend, you should never consider military as a career in your entire life because you will compromise your armies with such an approach. Military is not your field, you just good wherever you are employed.

Augustine Again: ......


you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever

....Roland missile high speed is 2,000km/hr, south african bombs will all be shot down from far away. nigerian Roland air defence wins the battle.

i promised i will rubbish those south african air force over-rated Gripen jets and Umbani/Paveway guided bombs today...and i am doing that now. any south african wants to make a F00L of himself anout Roland vs Gripen ? try it, nigerians are ready to reduce the Gripen to a useless toy today





you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

I may have failed my physics at school, but yours is misleading. Newton laws of free falling bodies has taught me that all objects irrespective of their size fall with the same uniform acceleration of 9.8m/s2 impacted on to them by the force of attraction( with air resistance and guided objects ignored). That does not mean that free falling bodies will fall throughout with the same acceleration. This is how it works as explained here under;

-This means for every second the acceleration will double, meaning
After 1 second, V1= 9.8m/s
After 2 second, V2 = 9.8+9.8= 19.6m/s
After 3 second, V3=19,6+9.8=29,4m/s
After 4 second, V4=29.4 +9.8=39,2m/s

That is how it goes my friend, not that garbage you have just taught people. Go back and read you high school science text books well from your best 50% minimum pass mark schools. The 33% power brain teaching a master!!! How rhetoric is it.

Lastly, umbani is not a free falling bomb but a guided munitions which takes out the targets at long ranges with quite a speed which is faster than that of a human being.

agaugust: no army has monopoly of killing the enemy without being killed too. SANDF and seleka both killed each other before south african ran away finally

130 nigerian palmaria and bofors haubit artillery all have about the same 30km range of south african G7 artillery.

stop day dreaming

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BOFORS HAUBIT nigerian army artillery

Hehehehe! The G7 Howitzer (Leo) has a better range rather of 32 km. Its range is dependent on the type of projectile used such as the base bleed which can fire up to 32 km. The G7 now has V-LAP ammunition with extended range of upto 36 km. We are however still wating for its modified version which was purported to can reach even further long ranges than the previous versions.

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/new-contract-for-defence-group-expected-2007-04-20

According to my current assessment of Nigerias military, I have finally deduced that Nigeria will never defeat South Africa in war. They might have more troops but that will not help them with the kind of obsolete weapons that they have. Nigerias Army is undoubtedly not well equipped to can handle a country as technologically advanced as South Africa. Nigeria will lose the battle before they could even think that they are losing the war. Here under are some of the aspects I have summarised just only in few sentences.

1. South Africa has one of the most advanced Airforce in Sub-Saharan Africa which you cannot Match to that of Nigerias counterpart. FACT!!!

2. In simple sentences, the Nigerian Navy cannot stop the South African Navy. That will only be through the miracle of their Gods that such can happen.

3. Who by the way said Artillery does not win the war? That person should really be ashamed of himself for ever spitting out such misinformation out of his disgraceful mouth. Artillery is capable of doing the following;
- Demolishing the enermies' military installations, Air defence system, Hangers and fleet of fighters, all at long range distances etc
- it can effectively replace the Airforce by scattering the enemies' well organised battle formations in disarray making it easy for one's forces to launch offensive once the enemies' forces are scattered.
- the Artillery's fire is rather effective than mortars for which the enemy can clearly stay out of its range. It has more consistent ariel attacks which lands second after second.

4. Lastly, there is no Army in the world which can win the conventional war with a weak airforce. Once the enemies' air defence system and the airforce which can be used to counter-attack and intercept one's airforce are all destroyed, the enemies' armies, irrespective of how large they are, will be severely compromised through heavy airstrikes.

agaugust: already now many Americans and Europeans DO NOT visit south africa to avoid your black me who specialize in R.aping white women and your battalions of Armed Robbers that your police and army CANNOT defeat on home soil

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This your information is outdated. There are many British who visit South Africa everyday and many of them have even bought themselves beach houses in Cape Town and Durban. For your information, the Brits prefer to have South African citizenship and have made it their norm ever since.

South Africa has over 1.6 million British who constitute over 3% of the total population ( SA stats 2011). Here under I have quoted from wikipedia

", many people of British descent continue to settle in South Africa, including many who have returned home since the late 1990s especially after the 2008 global economic crisis.[19][20] South Africa has been a top destination for British retirees,[21] and many white Zimbabweans of British descent have settled in South Africa since Zimbabwe's independence, some as a result of forced removal from their property. Over 200,000 British citizens live in South Africa, including more than 38,000 who are being paid a state pension" (quote closed)

Indulge yourself for further reading:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_diaspora_in_Africa

agaugust: @NaijapikinGidi made posts on security weakpoints in south africa....thats a military thing...your country can be invaded by nigeria from outside...and from inside Hilbrow !

take his advice and dont try to silence him, he is helping your over-rated soweto republic to wake up from dreamland

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That which you are insinuating is very s.tupid because there is no country of prophets in the world who have monopoly to prophesy trouble makers who enter their country. There is no security system that is not infiltratible in the world. Only if God could have given us the ability to scan peoples brains at our Airports to see what is buried on their minds. If I am just a friendly visitor who will ever see what am I thinking about my host country who have decided to offer me a warmth hospitality. From just the aforementioned factors it is evident that all countries in the world can be compromised due to their generosity of welcoming immigrants, from Nigeria to Siberia.

agaugust: army fatigue uniforms are sold in the open market in many countries of the world.

$20 will buy you complete army uniform here in america...i have it too, bought it from SEARS clothing shop, i did not seize it from american army.

see why i say you are mentally bankrupt ?

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That is just a counterfeit and is not an original US Army uniform. In SA there is no shop which sells SANDF uniform and the army recovers it to anyone seen wearing it in public. The reason why such is done is because there were incidents in the past about people who pretended to be soldiers in disguise of robbing other people of their cars, property and money.

NaijaPikinGidi: I was waiting for this:



So because this has happened in SA ... so it becomes an excuse, yet you believe and insist that the Nigerian Army should know Boko Haram insurgents who do not carry a mark to identify them as such? Young man, I rest my case because you have waltzed so nicely into your own boobytrap!!

Well, in that case Boko Haram has no Nigerian support ... based on your argument. It takes the many disgruntled South Africans in Durban or elsewhere within existing terrorist sleeper cells to wreck the kind of damage that you are witnessing around the world. Even the NaijaPikinGidi you are now pointing to could very well be the help your Government will need (on loan from the relevant Nigerian Authorities) when the time comes! You tried to rubbish my comments yet its credibility is now clear to a blind FighterPilot. It is amusing to see you recant your initial posturing! Speak for yourself ... every aboki with his own kettle!

Figure it out.

Boko Haram in Nigeria have assumed the status of rebels. They have their own military fatigue for which some have been robbed from the government security forces.

They have their own camps installed in Nigeria and bodly challenge security forces on gunfight as if they have lost their respect on the Army.

They freely conduct road blocks and even taken refuge on the rural nothern Nigeria, but still within the borders of Nigeria.

There is no excuse that they are not identifiable as with the case with other countries as it was evident that civilian based JTF could identify many of them and brought them before security forces.

Nigeria's case is different to others because their war is ongoing, and terrorists can't seem to retreat. It is indeed unique and ïncomparable with many terror attacks. Insugency is at comfort zone in Nigeria and terrorists seems to be enjoying their honeymoon stay.

NaijaPikinGidi: You will always go for the low-level issues when presented with high-level realities that you have shamelessly tried to deny! The breaches to SA's "watertight" security, intelligence, and financial platforms are my primary point here. How did she enter South Africa? How did she acquire a geniune SA passport document? You are selectively talking about Standard Bank ... yet how did she successfully get (some several thousand dollars in) loans and credit cards from FNB? You seem too naive to realise the depth of various Subterranean (islamist, racial, nationalist) activities going on in your South Africa. Stupidly, you called my assertions not "objective"? Yet it seems my Durban "assertions" have been confirmed too early by the revelation that "Madam White Widow" lived in Durban (with decoy Johnanesburg addresses) and easily acquired her SA Passport from your Durban Department of Home Affairs office.

Now how many real South Africans have found it this easy to acquire ordinary IDs, or Passports or loans! You can answer this question if you have the guts! Do I need to reveal all that goes undetected in your Durban, KZN?

Please accept the realities of your South Africa, we are dealing with ours. Kenya too! Durban evolving!

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02682/nairobi-lewthwaite_2682034c.jpg

It seems you are missing something important here. Terrorists do not have a mark to be indentified with. Tell me, did the US knew anything about Tsarnaev's brother of the Boston bombing that he was secretly undergoing terrorist training in Chechnya when he left the country for six month. Did the US knew anything about Dzorkar Tsarnaev's sudden interest in the activities of extremists.

I hope you go back to my post and re-read it thoroughly. My argument was not to deny the possibility of South Africa's vulnerability of being attacked. My argument was that such opportunistic attacks will receive little support from our SA born Muslim brothers and can only be masterminded by foreigners like @Naijapikingidi. That's what I said. Muslim community will never orchestrate any attacks and rise against the population of SA.

NaijaPikinGidi: I hope you can see signs of the evolving realities in SA. I am reposting this comment for your lunch today!



How easily a person can successfully enter South Africa, acquire a genuine SA passport from your Durban Home Affairs Office, obtain loans and financing from your South African banks, and use the same to perpetrate terrorists crimes can only be answered by your overrated security and intelligence people. Now you'll say I'm trying to scare South Africans? Just keep praying for a long delay to that day of reckoning. Eyes on Durban.

The white widow did not have major loans from the bank. She owed Standard Bank R29 000, and various clothing stores with no more than R15000. That is what an ordinary South African can live with and my debts are even worse than those.

chris365: boss, you seem to confuse jungle warfare to bush war.

Come to Niger delta jungle creeks. You'll praise Nigerian army for their efforts in fighting those creek militants.

Bro! Come on I am not confusing anything here. Irrelevance, of the terrain (Bush or Jungle), soldiers cannot be left to scatter around in disarray. They should be channelled to fight in order by their commander, same as when you are playing chess. None of your pieces should be left unattended without a back up. If you play chess, you will understand what am I speaking about. I fail to understand how will the commander end up with his men killed by friendly fire because that will raise a lot of questions about the competence of the commander in organising his forces.

All South African MRAPS, ARMOURED VEHICLES, and PATROL VESSELS will soon be fitted with LEDS, an Anti-Tank Weapons(Missiles) Defence System which will protect them from any weapons that can be used to destroy them. This system is one of its kind and the first to be developed proudly in South Africa.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31282/

This system will make all South African made military products seem invincible.

Henry120: You people keep saying this nonsense. You know what, let us compare ships between the 2 militaries. List the ships in your inventory, and we would list ours. Let us compare the 2.

Not every ship in the navy's fleet is a warship. South Africa has more blue water warships and subs than Nigeria, and Nigeria has more brown water vessels than South Africa, but that is about to change through project Biro. The parliament has voted funds for project Biro to start soon since it will create many jobs.

Nigerian Navy has only one warship, NNS Arandu and is not blue water capable, FACT.

agaugust: see your deceit and fraud...partial and biased judge.

this is NOT kenya's first terrorist attack, many have happened since 1998, 2002, 2012, and now 2013. kenya's army is ALWAYS caught off guard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings

if nigerian army is caught 'off-guard' all south africans on nairaland will shout into microphones and loudspeaker amplifiers like basket mouth

Kenya's army has performed worse than nigerian army in all terrorist attacks, we posted videos of them running for cover from one single distant gunshot

i am sure south african army is even worse than that of kenya.

now if you soweto boys cannot criticize a weaker kenyan army, then shut your mouths when it comes to a stronger nigerian army. kenyan army has been defeated at home many times by terrorists since 1998 till 2013. FACT !!!!

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What do you understand about ongoing attacks? Such are not happening Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Everyday but are just opportunistic attacks from an enemy who cannot challenge Kenya on an open battlefield in one-on-one situation as in the case in Nigeria. We've never experienced Kenya fighting these terrorists on an open battle terrain in a real war situation, so that we can start exercising our judgement in accordance with their prowess. Terrorist opportunistic attacks can happen to anyone and even to the world superpowers it was clearly evident. One such notable incident was September 11th where the enemy took dive by plunging airplanes on the twin towers of the world trade centre.

agaugust: i spent the past 6 months studying the weakpoints of the south african valour frigates...now i have got it...i will sink your soweto navy this weekend on nairaland war simulation. FACT and NIGHTMARE for you !!!

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Wow!! Currently with the kind of weapons that you have in your arsenal you are bound to fail. Nigerian military does not have the capacity to sink our valour class frigates. Haven't you heard that SA Navy is the only blue water capable navy in the entire sub-Saharan Africa.

chris365: guy, @augugust is right. aerial bombing in jungles are very difficult and you might end up killing your own.

here are some quotes from an analysis about US air campaigns in Vietnamese jungles.

"For pilots, the most frustrating aspect of the bombing restrictions was that most North Vietnamese fighter bases and surface‐to‐air missile (SAM) batteries fell within restricted areas"

"He contends that, in the final analysis, “it was the Air Force and Navy's very own leaders that failed to develop a strategy appropriate for the war at hand.” Could any air strategy, though, have won the conflict? Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Maxwell Taylor's response in 1975 was an unequivocal no. According to him, “we didn't know our ally. Secondly, we knew even less about the enemy. And the last, most inexcusable of our mistakes, was not knowing our own people.”
http://www.answers.com/topic/u-s-air-operations-in-the-vietnam-war

Only a s.tupid commander who does not know how to lead his armies can end up with his men killed by being shot on friendly fire by own's airforce. I say again, soldiers fight on groups (sections, platoons, company or battalion) under the command, that's how teamwork works and no any soldier is allowed to leave the group and fight on his own. That way will help the commander to know at all times where his men are, so that when he calls for an ariel support will be able to communicate the position of the enemy with the Airforce without placing the lives of his men in danger. There is no any difficulty using the airstrikes in jungles, the main reason is to disorganise the enemy and make it difficult for them to fight in groups (order). You know well that even in football whenever there is no teamwork the whole team will lose.

Any commander should not hesitate too long to call for ariel support in time before his men are overwhelmed by the enemies' firepower, because that will make it difficult for fighter pilot since his men will be scattered everywhere in disarray.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] @all south africans : could you explain why you have not been posting daily comments calling the kenyan army incompetent, a failure, and a defeated army since they got attacked on their home-soil and the city of nairobi was held captive for several days.....

.....okay , i am waiting for you to complain about nigerian army on boko haram attacks...i am watching and waiting... [/size]

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Like we've mentioned it before, it is too early to judge. It will not suffice to justify our criticism based on just a single incident which caught them off guard, the same has happened on September 11th when the US was caught flat footed. Kenya is not in an ongoing war with terrorists and for that the enemy does not challenge them on an open battlefield like in the case with Nigeria.

agaugust: .

any one with this new video of boko haram leader shekau....please post it.........i cannot find it anywhere

all these photos posted are old ones or the fake 'impostor'

i think if he is truly alive, america and BBC will be the first to say yes and confirm it.

if you have the new video evidence, post it for us, any of you soweto boys...or else sharaaaap !!!

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Living in denial will not help you because already your army has admitted of having done their biggest mistake of their lives for passing such a report which was not in effect supposed to have reached the public dormain. Currently, that video is not obtainable on the web, but can only be shown on the international news coverage. You must start watching the news and stop passing over misinformed statements.

agaugust: .

saturday/sunday....nigerian 50 jet fighters vs 4 south african valour warships in air to sea version of naval blockade war simulation
time to sink these soweto mofos to sea bottom, or they run back home to 'soweto' naval base in simons town .

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You would be such a terrible commander by sending all your pilots to their early graves, talkless of destroying all 50 fighters in your inventory. I hope by now you should know the efficiency of Umkhonto missiles and their capacity to destroy many targets at once. 4 frigates heavily loaded with over 72 Umkhonto missiles will just be too much for your 50 fighters to bear.

Henry120: There are multiple sources to quote from, none of the aligned to the government. I have told you guys these things multiple times.

They (premium times and saharareporters) constantly manufacture stories, false truths and out-right blatant lies from their imaginations. You cannot continue to quote sources that are known to publish lies, and you expect us to accept it as fact.

In mali, premiumtimes reported that nigerian troops drove from mali to kaduna, this despite the fact that nigeria had 2 C-130-H transport planes nd 1 G-222 deployed and permanent duties in mali, plus 2 more Boeing 757 on call. Of course that's a wicked lie, the report from premiumtimes. Why they continue to publish false stories is beyond me.

What do you understand about freedom of press? Not all media should be aligned to governments of countries because such media could be compromised to spread propaganda in order to protect their governments they serve. What makes you think that such media tells the truth better than those that are independent. In SA context, New Age which is aligned to the government is criticised by many for their tendency of concealing the truths about corruption that is happening within the government structures. In the world there is no any media which is reliable in reporting the news other than research agencies. Even those newspapers which are owned by the Nigerian government might as well equally be telling lies.

chris365: wow. i haven't seen any black SADF before. it must have been very tough for them

There were many black soldiers who served under SADF recruited through VMS (Voluntary Military Service) and white people were conscripted compulsory: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Conscription_Campaign

There were also many black police men who were recruited by apartheid security forces and majority of them were used on anti-riots campaigns and as a results making them victims of having their houses burned or being killed by necklace lynching ( putting the tire around the neck of victims and burn them alive)

chris365: you must have failed that exam. no wonder you are just a guard soldier

so the russian president emailed you that they burnt all documents of their involvement in the war? why is it was still evident everywhere?

i'm telling you that if russia had fought you, SA will be a wasteland by now. especially with your continuous use of chemical weapons then.

Why can't you let the masters to teach you other than taking rubbish from your fellow empty- headed countrymen. History has always been my favourite subject at school and oh! Yes I did pass my exams with flying colours. Sometimes I also enjoy to spend time with former MK- SADF soldiers who are still serving in the SANDF to hear from them how the war was like in Angola. Unlike you who rely on internet for information and come to post hogwash in order to deceive people. Russian troops did fight against South Africa and two of their cargo ships fully loaded with ammunition was demolished by South African Special Forces: http://www.sadf.info/TitleSpecialForces.html

War is not as easy as you speak, even the superpowers they treat very carefully when fighting underdogs. America will narrate a better story to you in that regard about their engagement with a tiny Irag which led to them suffering major casualties at the hands of a monster Saddam Hussein. It is very unfortunate that Bush the first is no more to tell the story and I hope he would have narrated it better to you. It doesn't matter how big Russia was but they still had that little respect for SADF and SA special forces and even to make matters worse SA was a nuclear power by then. They had the backing of America and Israel and anything that threatened their freedom would have drove them to resort to nuclear warheads. The Bush war was in effect not the war of South Africa, they were merely mercenaries supporting UNITA.

chris365: you know if you want to prove someone's information to be false, the best you can do is prove your james bond stories with facts not fictions.

russia did not engage you in that war, they only assisted the cubans. there's a difference. part of the 54 casualties they suffered was the downing of a russian cargo plane by SADF. they were supplying arms, not fighting on the front lines.

Hehehehe! What do you say about those who were held captive as prisoners of war by South African special forces. Would you also want to tell me that they were not at war? Chief your knowledge about the bush war is as limited as that of @Agaugust. I wrote exams about that war from school and even towards to my studies at military academy. Russia was secretly involved and did not want the world to know about their secret until they were exposed, no wonder they have destroyed all the documents that linked them to that war.

chris365: look at this mr copy and paste. so you don't know the battle of cuito was after the lomba river? the battle at lomba river was squarely between FAPLA and UNITA. the Cubans were not involved. SADF showed up to support UNITA with the G6 artillery when they saw that they were almost defeated. guy, FAPLA retreated cos SADF bombed them with chemical weapons (please do your research). it was a battle FAPLA never prepared for.

bragging that you defeated FAPLA is like Nigeria bragging to have defeated Liberian and sierra Leonanie rebels. there's no difference.

here's are some quotes from a book i read about SADF advancement on cuito which was your real test.

"None of these decisive battles, which are recorded in great detail in the South African accounts of the war (irrespective of their triumphant distortions), are mentioned by Zhdarkin".

"At one stage of the retreat (according to Zhdarkin), they were even bombed with “chemical weapons containing poisonous gas,” against which they had no gas masks for protection"

"The most effusive praise was rightly reserved for the Cubans, without whom the author would not have survived to record these memoirs. It was the Cubans who had supplied them, fought and died for Angola, and forced South Africa to sue for peace after having allegedly destroyed most of their tanks and driven the SADF out of Angolan and back over the Namibian border."

the book is titled "Memoirs of a Participant of the Angolan War (1986-1988)" by Igor Zhdarkin

SADF had low casualties cos they used UNITA as cover while they shelled cuito from behind with the G6. guy, russia only sent advisers, not troops. if they had joined the cubans, SA would have been a wasteland by now.

cuba was inexperienced in conventional war (refute it if you have proof).

it was a war you "fought" not "won". so you should not brag cos i have many accounts of how cuba brushed SADF to retreat.

Your information is very wrong. Russia deployed more than 10 000 soldiers to fight on along with Cuba
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

They secretly provided military weapons, soldiers and military pilots where even several of them were taken in as POW by South African special forces as a proof of their involvement. They suffered 54 casualties. I know you copied that nonsense from @Agaugust whose knowledge about war history is zero.

I hope @Agaugust will read this extract attached underneath to see how the so called superpowers are facing challenges in Urban terrain.

The Challenges of Operations in an Urban Environment
Urban warfare poses a different set of challenges than those that confronted the U.S. military for nearly forty years. During the Cold War the U.S. military prepared to fight a numerically superior foe, in armored warfare, on relatively open terrain, with long-range precision weapons. A clash between NATO and the Warsaw Pact would have required the coordination of several corps of NATO ground forces. In urban terrain, by contrast, engagements occur at short-range, maneuver and command and control are difficult, and battles are typically fought at the squad level without substantial coordination or fire support from higher echelons. Finally, urban operations raise political risks which were less-relevant in Cold War scenarios.

For years the U.S. military has been working to detect and kill the enemy at longer range than the enemy could target U.S. forces. The goal behind these efforts was to force the enemy to cross a "killing zone" before they could engage U.S. forces with their shorter range systems.5 In urban terrain, however, America's long-range weapons are less useful. Long-range acquisition is difficult because obstacles obstruct line-of-sight and because enemy infantry hide in and move through buildings. A skillful enemy will deploy his forces in ways that prevent long-range direct fire engagements. Indirect fire support is difficult in urban terrain, too. Most artillery shells and many air-to-ground weapons fall at too-shallow an angle to be effective in densely built up areas. Furthermore, low flying aircraft are vulnerable to shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). And because engagements are fought at very short range, the dangers of friendly fire from artillery or air support are multiplied. The navigation and communication difficulties resulting from urban terrain (described below) further complicate effective fire support as units have difficulty knowing or reporting their own positions or the positions of friendly and enemy forces. The long range of America’s high-tech weapons is negated in a dense urban environment.

Urban terrain also makes maneuver difficult. Streets channelize the movement of ground vehicles. Because ground routes are predictable, cities offer ideal terrain for setting ambushes. The Russian Army learned this lesson in Chechnya. Their armored thrust into Grozny was anticipated by Chechen guerrillas who ambushed the Russians from the sides, rear, and above. The narrow streets, soon blocked by burning Russian vehicles, made it difficult for the embattled Russian armored columns to advance, counter-maneuver, or even withdraw

For further reading
http://web.mit.edu/ssp/publications/conf_reports/urbanwarfare.html

agaugust: stop misleading people here.

the most difficult warfare in the world is jungle battlefield

next is mountain warfare

next arctic/polar warfare

next urban warfare

last is desert warfare.

go ask the british army why they ran away from japan's army in burma jungle warfare world war II.

stop misleading people here !

I will not explain myself to civilians who have never attended any military academy and who have even misleaded people by saying that Air strikes cannot be used in the jungles. The Jungle warfare is not a specialised training and any soldier who has never been trained in jugles can be utilised effectively to fight in jungles depending on the experience of the commander. Urban warfare is completely different and in most countries is only carried out by special forces. The is no any difficult war in the world as that which involves lives of civilians and I hope you understand that lives of civilians must be protected at all times. Urban warfare restrict you to a limited firepower and air strikes are ruled completely useless. Nigeria failed to handle it successfully in Baga where they have killed more than 200 civilians on air strikes in just a small town. What if it was in Lagos? The whole of it would have been flat by now if the would have employed the same approach.

Bush war and desert war is even regarded as being the most toughest as it does not provide any cover and soldiers are exposed to fire most of the times. Jungle warfare only makes it difficult to see the enermy from distance but its advantage is that it provides a perfact cover for your own armies.