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drag_on: http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/williamsaundersonmeyer/2013/10/19/saaf-from-fighting-force-to-flying-farce/

Not only is the UN giving the Rooivalk its first battleground test, but crucially for the South African Air Force (SAAF), it is also paying to do so. All deployment costs, including fuel and ammunition, are borne by the UN.

That’s an unexpected bonanza because the SAAF can’t afford much actual flying and fighting. A dozen of those Gripens are now mothballed because the SAAF has neither the money to fuel them, nor the aircrew to fly them.
The SAAF’s budgets are so strained that its pilots struggle to clock the flying hours needed to keep their ratings current. There are only six pilots qualified to fly the Gripens and they clock barely a tenth of the 250 annual hours each, which European militaries consider the minimum necessary
Most of the SAAF’s 30-strong light helicopter fleet is grounded because of the “almost total lack of flying-hour allocation”, according to the authoritative Defenceweb site. Defenceweb writes that this “precarious financial and personnel situation” also led to the humiliation of the SAAF managing to keep its specialist maritime helicopters aloft for fewer than a dozen hours, during last month’s joint peacekeeping exercise with United States in the Eastern Cape.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-troops-in-DRC-well-equipped-SANDF-20130830

"You then have to tell the UN how much it is going to cost them because you don’t want to fly it [the helicopters] on the taxpayer’s account. We are not sending any pieces of artillery but we will send the Rooivalk if the UN agrees."

Mgwebi said the world body had yet to pay for the further deployments it requested.

"They have requested a battalion from us and we have given them [the soldiers]. We [also] have three Oryx helicopters already on the ground," he said.

"When you give them, it speaks to the issues of reimbursement. We said 'we give you and you reimburse the country'."

He said the UN was required to sign documentation before additional weaponry was sent to the DRC.

"We have said to them we are ready and this is what it is going to mean to you [financially] as the UN, the rates. The ball is in their court, not in South Africa's," said Mgwebi.

I even wonder how is the Nigerian military faring with only half the SANDF budget, if it is facing such challenges. You want to rule Africa with such a small budget, smaller than that of ordinary municipalities in SA. All Nigerian military equipments are either second hand or low cost made specially to suit their small budget. Your country can never run SANDF, it will run dry before it could even think of it. Our national budget is four times larger than West Africa combined together. Shame on you!!

Augustine Again: oh ! if that is your wish, then all south african nmilitary weapons imported and quoted as delivered by SIPRI ORD database, are hereby cancelled too and labelled as non-existent, and that includes all the remaining Exocet missiles on your valour frigates apart from the 5 you test firef, there is none left.

also, all the SIPRI quoted 25 IRIS-T missiles on your Gripen jets will be deemed as only 6 units delivered for the 6 Gripen jets that have qualified pilots.

same for your submarine torpedoes and starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, also your Hawk jets too are not up to 24 units, only 8 Hawks....get it ?

fool

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Why are you now behaving like a stupid, everybody knows that Nigeria has 4 old scrapyard Mi-24's in their inventory. Now show us where is says Mi-35's were delivered. As for Gripens and Hawks, the whole world knows that SA has such machines because they are being seen frequently flying such machines even on the net you can google. .

Gunships are like mobile car, you place your order and buy them immidiately and will be delivered in a due course, unlike ships, aircraft carriers which will have to be build first.

Augustine Again: hahaha fool of soweto


Combined Data Arms Transfers Military Expenditure The Arms Industry

Arms Transfers/Trade Registers
Transfers of major conventional weapons. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 2000 to 2012.

Note: The 'No. delivered' and the 'Year(s) of deliveries' columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. For more information, see Sources and Methods.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 27 November 2013

No. delivered
Year(s) of delivery or number delivered data

Supplier to Recipient

Belarus To Nigeria 2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter - year 2010, units 2

A-109 LUH version; Italy to Nigeria year 2010, units 12

Russia to Nigeria Mi-24P/Hind-F year 2000, units 6

Combat helicopter modernized before delivery year 2008 units 4

Russia to Nigeria Mi-171Sh armed version year of delivery 2003 units 4

Ukraine to Nigeria Mi-24P/Hind-F year of delivery 2007 units 2

Ukraine to Nigeria Mi-24V/Hind-E year of delivery 2008, units 3

Ex-Ukrainian
© Stockholm International Peace Research Institute 2012. Terms and conditions of use SIPRI, Signalistgatan 9, SE-169 70 Solna, Sweden. Tel +46-8-655 97 00. Fax +46-8-655 97 33.

see why i hanged your south african air force uniform on top of my mango tree ?

you cannot even google simple weapons sales data from world recognized and credible sources.

no wonder south africans have the second dullest brains on planet earth according to WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM year 2013 research report

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We have already noted about those old 4 Mi-24 hinds.It doesn't matter, Nigeria has no such wish list on their inventory. Sipri mainly highlights orders made irrespective of whether they were successful or not. An order does not mean is a successful transaction. You are making a fool of yourself, you will wait and wait and wait.

[quote author=Augustine Again]hahaha fool of soweto


Combined Data Arms Transfers Military Expenditure The Arms Industry

Arms Transfers/Trade Registers
Transfers of major conventional weapons. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 2000 to 2012.

Note: The 'No. delivered' and the 'Year(s) of deliveries' columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. For more information, see Sources and Methods.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 27 November 2013

No. delivered
Year(s) of delivery or number delivered data

Supplier to Recipient

Belarus To Nigeria 2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter - year 2010, units 2

A-109 LUH version; Italy to Nigeria year 2010, units 12

Russia to Nigeria Mi-24P/Hind-F year 2000, units 6

Combat helicopter modernized before delivery year 2008 units 4

Russia to Nigeria Mi-171Sh armed version year of delivery 2003 units 4

Ukraine to Nigeria Mi-24P/Hind-F year of delivery 2007 units 2

Ukraine to Nigeria Mi-24V/Hind-E year of delivery 2008, units 3

Ex-Ukrainian
© Stockholm International Peace Research Institute 2012. Terms and conditions of use SIPRI, Signalistgatan 9, SE-169 70 Solna, Sweden. Tel +46-8-655 97 00. Fax +46-8-655 97 33.

see why i hanged your south african air force uniform on top of my mango tree ?

you cannot even google simple weapons sales data from world recognized and credible sources.

no wonder south africans have the second dullest brains on planet earth according to WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM year 2013 research report

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It doesn't matter, Nigeria has no such wish list on their inventory. Sipri mainly highlights orders made irrespective of whether they were successful or not. An order does not mean is a successful transaction. You are making a fool of yourself, you will wait and wait and wait.

Augustine Again: you really a dumbo, nigeria has about 30 combat helicopters (M-24 Hind, Mi-35 Hind, Mi-171s Terminator Armed version, AW 109 LUH Armed version) and south africa has only 11 Rooivalks

...and most of your huge military budget is spent paying fat salaries to fat bellied soweto soldiers who dont want to fight and die in any war...only want to get monthly salries

reason they refused to go back to C.A.R Bangui and challenge Seleka rebels teenagers who disgraced South Africa's army for the world to see

.NIGERIAN TERMINATOR COMBAT HELICOPTERS...NEWLY ARRIVED

http://beegeagle./2013/03/18/procurement-news-nigerian-air-force-acquire-3nos-mi-35p-hind-attack-helicopters-6nos-mi-171sh-terminator-assault-helicopters-from-russia-expecting-a-maiden-haul-of-of-2nos-sukhoi-su-25-frogfo/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force

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Nigeria does not have that wish list on its weapon inventory, chief. Only 4 old hinds gunships are currently rocking their sky. Whatever appears on sipri does not mean a country made an actual purchase, I hope you teach that to your misinformed beegeagle.

Heavy procument of transporter aircraft and maritime surveillance aircraft through project saucepan is underway.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32829/

agaugust: source :

http://beegeagle./2013/03/07/india-to-help-nigeria-modernise-her-air-defences-spotlight-on-the-indian-made-akash-medium-range-area-defence-missile-system/


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The big brother is being helped while the young brother does everything for himself.

chris365: Another dreamer

Are you talking about sanctions where all western nations will obey or do you think SA will still be in existence if those countries actually abided by those sanctions? Cos all these you mentioned were built for you by Israel, France, germany, Britain etc

Lier!!! South Africa even today still proves to the world that it has weapon manufacturing potential. The former white apartheid scientists were very technical and skilled in the field of medicine, chemical warfare, nuclear engineering and weapon technology. That's why our universities today are one of the best in the field of nuclear engineering. Stop telling people lies, the only ally of SA during Apartheid was Israel.

Denel chasing orders worth R35 billion.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32546/

Denel on the 21 Nov won a missile contract in UAE.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32761/

My father is way older than a country called Nigeria which is claiming to be brother of SA.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria

Umkhonto R also called block 3 with an extended range of up to 80 000m has already been developed. Due to budget constraints denel looks for a partner for large production of this masterpiece.

Just send your low-cost Chengdu F7-Ni in Soweto to have a taste of it and they will tell you thereafter when your pilots arrive home on body bags.

agaugust: even the 20km range umkhonto missile is NOT YET in service. still under testing, it takes time to complete missile tests to avoid failure in battlefield engagement. so please dont ever post the fake imaginary 80km variant on this forum again, you hear me ?

also, NOT every DENEL tested weapon or munition is in service with south african military.

you only have what you buy. nigerian army too pays for DICON weapons before we can induct them into service.

dont think government arms company will give free weapons to any military anywhere, USSR tried it and her economy collapsed.

lastly, there is NO Umkhonto missile ever built to range of 80km, it is just a proposal and hope for the future.

the longest range Umkhonto missile ever built in this world is only 20km and still under testing.

"Denel Dynamics, the guided weapons division of South Africa's Denel, carried out the first live-fire tests of the land-based version of its Umkhonto naval surface-to-air missile (SAM) between 1 and 3 October.

The tests also saw an Umkhonto-IR destroy a target at 20 km for the first time, a feat achieved after recent modifications to the Block 2 variant"

SOURCE : http://www.janes.com/article/28033/land-based-umkhonto-fired-for-the-first-time

nigeria has ASPIDE beyond visual range anti aircraft missile with range 75km, don't feel too bad about naija's missile superiority, after all nigeria is a senior brother to south africa.

SOURCE : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm


soweto's air defence missile capability is still much far behind that of lagos, live with it because you cannot deal with it.

you like to suck your thumb like a toddler, okay go ahead

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What do you understand by phase1 and phase2 in any project. The project is ready to be used anytime South Africa engage into war. As we speak Umkhonto missiles can be fired from GBADS. Denel (SA government owned company) has plenty of these in stock. Remember, this is not Roland which can just be jammed by an ordinary fly and which cannot even fire at night when its radar has been tempered with. This is UMKHONTO IR

Umkhonto Surface-to-Air-Missiles can now be fired through land based launchers, the GBADS, meaning that they can now be used by the South African Army.

Here are the variants of Umkhonto:
1. Umkhonto IR B1(Range 12 000m)
B2(Range 15 000m)
2. Umkhonto ER (Range 20 000m)
3. Umkhonto R (Range 80 000m)

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32171/

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-demonstrates-greater-surface-to-air-missile-range-and-local-air-defence-system-2013-10-09

http://www.defencetalk.com/denel-tests-extended-range-umkhonto-surface-to-air-missile-49350/

rka1: Even if true, so what? It just shows you can shoot from a distance, but no show close up.

Shekau is dead. What is your point?

Shekau, the man reported to have been killed.

agaugust: i am beginning to see signs that nigerian military top brass have analysed every threat possible from all other african countries and have a combat solution to every possible threat.

reason they are not afraid of anybody buying any weapons we dont have in nigeria.

i think the only hurry now that nigerian military wants to quickly settle is the beyond visual range ultra modern AKASH 35km range land based anti-aircraft missiles purchase from india.

this will give us more air defence range against countries like Egypt since Roland SAM range is about 8km.

with the coming AKASH SAM, coming Type 056 Stealth warship, coming Pipavav Tiger class Stealth warship, the existing PL-9C air to air missiles, Otomat anti-ship missiles, beyond visual range ASPIDE anti-aircraft missiles with 75km range for air defence at sea, Bofors F-77 40km range artillery, APR-40 mobile Rocket artillery with 45km range, Palmaria mobile artillery with 30km range, ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft, Spy Satellites in orbit.....

even Egypt will think twice before attacking nigeria.

South Africa wont even try it, they will look for another way of committing suicide at home in soweto . FACT !!!

[img]http://3.bp..com/_44d3OT-xI3U/SvcUNZho4lI/AAAAAAAABL0/tn0Rd7d11i0/s1600/Akash%2BChart-2.JPG[/img]

Agaugust busy ranting like an embecile "blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!" Without facts

drag_on: Which group would you honestly want to belong to,no lie o!! Nigeria or South Africa.

South Africa.

agaugust: any dummy can post lies on wikipedia dude, reason why i use it with caution and compare other sources, then i use my common sense too.

the south african long range sniper shot is fake , according to your own SANDF army general. we posted that source many times here at that time.

SANDF members are not supposed to commend anything that concerns UN activities. The UN has spokesperson to do that hence no South African has the authority to over step such boundries. The snyper shot is a reality chief, even the dead officer of the rebels will confirm that to you that he was wiped out of the face of the earth from a long distance that he could never imagine can have an impact. SANDF spokesperson are not fools like Nigerians spokesperson who would go and tell the whole world that Shekau is dead. Our spokesperson are first briefed by intelligence, and thereafter they are being adviced of whether it willl be worthwhile to overstep boundries and comment about activities that involve another organisation. In that case, they are more likely to play ignorant.

agaugust: .... a smart palm wine tapper that hangs your south african air force officer uniform on a tree top

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You can only hang the uniform of the people below. That's only how far you can go.

chris365: Do you even bother to go through facts before talking this kind of giberish? Do you think Cuba just appeared on Angolan soil without request from the Angolans? Which country runs into a conflict like a cowboy without invitation from the host? Pls just gimme one.

Is this another analysis from a palm wine tapper or what?

agaugust: i just showed you how useless mandela nation's shiny missiles are

the british just ripped you off with that starstreak junk missile with 1km maximum flying height, even pigeon birds will fly safely over it

nigerian helicopter gunships will just be rocketing jacob zuma's army from 2km height until you have no single soweto soldier left alive

south african military air defense is almost equal to zero

https://www.armedforces-int.com/upload/image_files/starstreak-missile-small.jpg

This is an analysis from a palm wine tapper.

agaugust: nigerian army did not directly fight in south africa against white apartheid military forces, but we trained and armed some african freedom fighters.

nigerian army was not invited to the war by angola because the angolans were marxists/communists by national ideology and they naturally wanted soviet communist support from russia/cuba so they invited cuban army to fight, also using the advantage that russia never allows europe and america to hurt cuba, they chose a super power USSR/russia to counter the super powers Britain/France/America that was supporting south african military.

get your historical facts straight man !

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Your mind is too short for that of an MBA graduate, infact it cannot even equal that of a high school student. Wonder why your fellow countrymen have even neglected you? Is because the salt that you used to have is starting to dissolve away and has subsequently turned you into a moemish. Your story is not coherent. Countries voluntarily support who ever they want to support based on what they believe in.

It is not that Nigeria could not see that South Africa was bullying Angola and Fidel from many miles away gave his selfless support, irrespective of whether was communist or not, he needed your support, for which you failed to offer, because your very country was also in turmoil. So how can a blind man guide the way for another blind man.

agaugust: south african technology was directly transferred, some stolen, some copied, some purchased wholesale from Europe, America, and Israel.

99% of South African hi-tech sceintists are foreigners imported to establish the technology base by transfer to south africa, especially the Israelis.

source:

http://www.photius.com/countries/south_africa/national_security/south_africa_national_security_growth_of_the_defens~2506.html


nigerian technology is using our black brains. you soweto guys built NOTHING by your dull brains


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Beware the South African home grown technology which has even consumed the whole of Africa. Anybody born in South Africa is a South African, whether is black, yellow, green or purple. Don't blame me for Nigeria's misfortunes of not being a diversified country. I am proud to have been born in a diversified country.

Proudly South African, all the way

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what worries me about south africa is the dullness of their brains even after 20 years that nigeria led the african and global effort to set them free from the anglo-boer white-man's prison cage of century long 'psycho-mental' incarceration....



[size=16pt]South African Brains Rated Second Dullest In The World [/size]

...by The World Economic Forum (WEF) confirmed this once again in its Global Information Technology Report 2013 :


http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global%5B_id%5D=98913

the south african brains are so dull that the pass mark in secondary school and university is 33%

hungry zimbabweans do 3 times better in school than south african. under-rated nigeria stands tall as the most intelligent africans on earth

http://allafrica.com/stories/201304161594.html

if nigerian education is bad, south african brains are even worse, so much that nigeria's s..h..i..t looks like food to them, that they are begging nigeria to send those 'bad' brains to help save the worse brains of south african people.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200911090934.html

the south africa dull brain problem is said to have no medical or spiritual solution.

goodbye everybody. i go away.


https://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/medical-no_brainer-brain-brain_surgeon-brain_surgery-surgeons-jlo0150l.jpg

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Talks does not help with anything. Honour goes to the people of South Africa, Cuba and Russia who could not waiste any of their times in talks, talks, talks with the UN, an organisation which was backed by supporters of Apartheid, America and Israel. Tell me did any of Nigerian soldier shed blood for the freedom of people of South Africa? No. Did any Cuban and Russian shed blood? Yes. So chief what is your argument.

Is good that they rate us second dullest but considering what we produce in the world of technology, the dull beat the giants Nigeria, who have never designed anything extraordinary in the field of Engineering or technology.

Beware mzansi technical mind

agaugust: there are still 5 million whites residing in rich areas and ruling south african economy from behind the scene, or have you k.illed all your millions of white men citizens with sangboma witchcraft in just 20 years ?

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For your information we have even more than 5 million whites, that number is still very small. Well, you are right the means of production is in the hands of white people because majority of them were unfairly empowered over black people for more than two hundred years. Surely you cannot expect such an imbalance to be redressed in a wink of an eye, like what Zimbabwe has done. ANC will have to introduce more and more of redistributive policies to shift wealth from dominating white capitalist to the peasants of society.

agaugust: go back to page 806 of this thread and see how nigerian F-7 jets and Alpha jets sank the whole south african navy fleet of Valour frigates to sea bottom after making your Umkhonto missiles useless with its major weak point being the 10km maximum altitude/ceiling, nigerian air force attacked from 13km above sea level.

https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/806

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SA navy frigates are still alive and kicking in Cape Town and have never been sank by any low cost chengdu polished machines. There is no way that F7's can come any close SA valour frigates, not even the latest Americas fifth generations fighters. Your simulations was very childish and full of moemish. Even though I did not get to read it but from the few sentences I could see that something is missing. There is no pilot with a sound solid mind can ever risk to attack frigate fully loaded with air defence missiles.

agaugust: i am NOT racist, i just want all south africans to remember that whatever nigeria achieves today, it is a 100% black nation.

south africa is a white/european built nation that would have been worse than Tanzania if it is 100% black

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What makes you to be that sure, because that country is now run by blacks and is developing more than ever, because the former white government were only concentrating developments only in one area.

What Tanzania, Kenya and Nigeria could achieve, black South Africans could have doubled it even without Whites in equation.

Ever since the fall of apartheid South Africa has been the centre of attraction. The whole world flock in Mzansi just to witness beauty and developments brought about by the so called black ANC government, which is not always the case because ANC is for all.

agaugust: the south african foolish cube satellite, a students on campus university experimental toy was built by whites/french south africans.

nigerian black scientists are building a world class spy satellite 1,000 times bigger than the 2 inch cube of sugar you are bragging about

world cup ? nigeria has hosted two world cups, one U-17 world cup and one U-20 junior world cup.

nigeria is the only african country to have hosted the two world cups in history.

nigeria has won U-17 world cup four times, U-20 world cup bronze once, and Olympic football gold medal once.

south africa has NEVER won any world cup medal

south africa hosted the last african cup of nations and nigeria won the cup under your soweto noses

only God knows how many thousands of south african beautiful girls went down into nigerian men's bed that night jacob zuma handed over the cup to us showing nigeria as masters over south africa even on your own homeland soil....respect the giant....naija is power !

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Why are you being racist. South Africans are black, whites and Asians. I am a coloured of Asian decent but I am a South African. Who has the audacity to tell Americans of African decent that they are not Americans? South Africans are South Africans irrespective of the colour of skin. We are very different from Nigeria where you only see black wherever you go. We are on the same level with the UK and US in terms of diversity.

agaugust: [size=16pt]Nigerian NNS ARADU's missile superiority over South African VALOUR FRIGATE[/size]



you always write comments and make claims without any source, yet you tell those who have sources to go do research.

nigerian navy NNS ARADU has Aspide anti-aircraft beyond visual range missiles , and the source below says Aspide BVR of the '80s generation has range of 75km.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aspide.htm

show us source to prove your own claim that nigerian aspide is 45km range, dont tell us stories from your son's story book, show us your source !

sure you are angry that south africa's modern valour warship has anti-aircraft missiles with range of only 15km, thus NNS ARADU has a superior air defence 5 times better than your shiny painted soweto valour frigate. go and d.ie

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Superior with weak defence. How does it help? South Africas valour frigates are loaded with one of the best air and sea skemming missiles defence system.

Check the one above is attacking @Agaugust low-cost Chengdu F7-Ni and that one over there is sea skemming to collide with @Agaugust superior missiles.

Our valour frigate are fitted with CIWS denel guns which can fire thousands of explosive projectiles at a single shot making it difficult for any bomb or missile to penetrate.

agaugust: hey dude ! didnt you read your own source weblink ?

it said the Rooivalk is NOT best helicopter gunship in the world ! it puts it down to number 8 out of 10 and puts the Mi-24 Hind at number 9.

Rooivalk is NOT among the top 7 helicopter gunships in the world according to your own source


http://www.wonderslist.com/10-best-attack-helicopters-in-the-world/

anyway, i would rather put Hind on number 8 and put Rooivalk on number 9 because Hind has superior air to air combat capabilities and the troops carrying and ambulance/medical functions that makes the Hind a multi-role combat helicopter while Rooivalk reamins single-role combat helicopter.

your source did not consider that Hinds advantage in his rankings. in my frank opinion, the Hind is the number one combat helicopter in the world and it has no direct NATO or American competitor . FACT !!!

in case you dont know how great the Mi-24 Hind is, read this below...

http://www.airforceworld.com/heli/eng/mi24.htm

stop advertising Rooivalk b.u.ll.s.hit helicopter to us here, nigeria will not buy it, only soweto air force will fly that half french tin of sardine

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It doesn't matter where you rank the Rooivalk, for so long it makes the top 10 list and is way far beter than Mi-24 hind.

Rooivalk is much more sophisticated and advanced than your Mi-24 which is now an old cargo.

Rooivalk has some qualities which are unmatched by even Apache. This machine is dangerous boss, "izo ku bulala wena barry" beware the Rooivalk.

agaugust: nigerian police is not military. nigerian prisons warders are not military. dont mix their numbers together.

only perhaps about 90 nigerian soldiers have been k.illed by boko haram in a long four years of hide and seek battle against an 'invisible' terrorist force that dresses as civilians in the day and transforms into boko haram at night.

south african army lost 15 soldiers in only one day of battle against a clearly visible enemy that presents its forces as seleka rebels.

nigerian army, the best in africa, has k.illed the boko haram leader shekau with world class sharp-shooting in dare devil face to face, hand to hand, man to man jungle/mountain combat.

south african army has not even fired one arrow with bow, or throw one zulu spear near the window of seleka rebel leader mitchel djotodia...see him boasting against jacob zuma and all south african nation in the photo below....your army has zero courage to face the man


https://media.themalaysianinsider.com/assets/uploads/resizer/1404djotodia_540_374_100.jpg

Nigerian police and prison, yes they are militarised. It shows you know nothing about your country. Wonder why police are also used to fight Boko Haram, it is because they are military and that's why they are wearing beret to signal military culture. It was not long that SA police were militarised as well, because all along were structures of public service. They had to change their rank structure to that of military, and now almost all the police in Africa are military. Do not downplay the numbers, BH killed over 3000 nigerian uniformed soldies some of which were hidden away from media reports.

agaugust: south africa is NOT leading satellite game in africa with your $70,000 cube satellite that i can put in my shokoto trouser pocket

nigeria's satellites cost $13 million for the first and $57 million for the second one, and we are your masters in that area.

nigeria's next new giant satellite is already being built by nigerian space engineers domestically at home.

http://www.ibtimes.com/nigeria-its-not-just-spam-scams-petro-terrorists-west-african-nation-also-has-viable-space-program

south africa built that cube of sugar size satellite to show the world that the real size of a south african brain is equal to a tiny cube of st.louis sugar i put in my cup of gari and drink


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Nigeria does not have cube satellite, FACT!! All that they have are big buses on space. SA is only one of nine countries in the world to launch nanosatellite and you should be grateful that SA respresent Africa in visually everything. When people look down on Africa and say that Africa doesn't have this and that, SA introduces it in Africa and level the world. Africa never hosted world cup showpiece before but SA convinced the world that Africa can make it. Olympics have never been hosted in Africa before, but the olympic commitee seeing that S.Africa is the only country in Africa to be seem capable, with peace, order, stability, resources, infrastructure, etc, came down to SA to beg them to put their bit forward and represent Africa since the continent has never hosted one. It is often these things which make the likes of Agaugust to remain eternal enermies of the progress made by Mzanzi. @Agaugust keep on asking themselves how can it be that SA always achieve this big, while the GIANT seems to be lagging behind.

The giant of Africa is just a name and does not signal that it dominates everything in Africa. South Africa is way far older and ancient than Nigeria and we have some buildings which are far older than Nigeria herself. Nigeria might have bigger population because family planning might have been the concept which was introduced late in them.

agaugust: Rooivalk's systems are fully published because soweto is broke and hungry for export sales that may never come.

Mi-24/Mi35 Hind's systems are not fully published because there are many different versions and modifications based on what each country has. Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian, Algerian, Nigerian, Ethiopian versions are all different in terms of internal systems.

first advantage of Mi-24 is that it is a multi-purpose helicopter that can change roles from air to ground attack gunship, air to air defence, cargo transport, troops transport, medical ambulance all for a price of about $12 million.

Rooivalk can only function as a gunship for air to ground and air to air combat, finished, and so little for a price of $40 million.

the above are the main reasons no country in the world wants to buy the Rooivalk helicopter, and even south africa that produces it can only afford to buy 11 units.

by producing the Rooivalk, DENEL made a very foolish mistake as all south africans always do


second advantage is that Mi-24 can carry air to air missiles just like Rooivalk contrary to what you south africans believed.

Rooivalk is built to carry a 6km range air to air missile, while the superior Mi-24 is built to carry a 40km beyond visual range air to air missile, so with its long range 48km radar and long range 40km air to air missile the Mi-24 hind will shoot down the whole south african air force including the Gripen jets, see proof below :

An improved version of the R-73M, the R-74M features fully digital and re-programmable systems, and is intended for use on the Su-30MK and Su-35BM, but It can also be carried by Russian attack helicopters, including the Mil Mi-24.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=r-73+missile&oq=R-73&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l4.3510j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

photo of Mi-24/35 helicopter gunships in abuja showing what a Rooivalk cannot do...power of nigerian air force !

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Rooivalk is ranked way above MI-24 go and make that research. Your knowledge about military hardware is limited to jealousy. Rooivalk is the best Gunship in the world and in fact it makes top 10 list. SA designed Rooivalk and what did Nigeria design. Oopps!! Naught, not even a scrap. So stop arguing like a child and get a sense in your head with facts.

http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/top_9_attack_helicopters.htm

http://www.wonderslist.com/10-best-attack-helicopters-in-the-world/

http://defence.pk/threads/top-gunships-helicopters.235248/