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agaugust: i set a traps for all you south africans with those ANC sizwe posts, and you are my first victim

terrorist is terrorist....all are killers, whether boko haram or ANC rebel

bomb is bomb

national army is national army....whether nigerian or south african

home soil is home soil, whether in nigeria or south africa

i just proved a big point that no country can fight war on homeland against people who have a strong faith in any cause or ideology without the national army being killed in their own home.....south african soldiers were killed in their home soil air force base by ANC terrorists.....FACT !!!!

dont make excuse for your own south african military if you want to laugh at nigeria....you will be laughing at south africa too

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ANC were not a terrorist group but a political party which were denied their right to represent their people in a free and fair elections. Terrorists are people who go about killing people intentionally to achieve their own narrow objectives. The US has even admitted that the ANC was not a terrorist group and squarely put their blames on the apartheid government for misleading them. Margaret Thatcher has even admitted to that when she first met Madiba after his release from prison. The ANC only rebelled the government, that's all.

agaugust: south african valour frigates have only 4 anti-ship missiles each....it wont take you anywhere, nigerian navy has 40 Otomat anti-ship missiles with longer range 80km-180km than all south african nvalour frigate Exocet missiles with range 70km.

NNS ARADU will sink a valour frigate from a distance....south africa loses

submarine will NOT win you any war, unless you fix tyres on it, drive it from underwater to land...then use it to capture a place where people live...or else keep ruling over fishes and crabs in deep oceans with your 'metal aquarium' called a submarine

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Who is that guy that is always telling you such lies. South Africa has a plan to develop locally made missiles to use on all its war ships. Algeria has even recently ordered the same valour type ships from Germany and have asked SA to them with the armament. Your navy is only much stronger on brown water and hopefully not on blue seas.

FACT!! Nigeria has only limited number of otomat missiles.

agaugust: south african military did NOT defeat ANC terrorists and the fact that ANC was bomibing south africa from the inside....makes it a real threat to national security....fact !!!!!


[size=16pt]how ANC terrorists k.illed 11 south african air force men inside their air force base at home [/size]


"On the afternoon of 20 May 1983, two African National Congress (ANC) cadres, Freddie Shangwe and Ezekial Maseko, drove to Church Street in Pretoria and parked their vehicle in close vicinity of the building which housed the South African Air Force (SAAF) headquarters. Their intention was to detonate explosives at 16h30, a time when many of the SAAF personnel who worked in the building would be exiting or waiting at a bus stop near the entrance of the building. For some unknown reason, the explosives were detonated prematurely at approximately 16h20. A huge explosion ensued, causing great loss of life and injury as well as extensive damage to property. The explosion was reported to have killed nineteen people of whom eleven were members of the SAAF and 217 were wounded."


http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/car-bomb-explodes-outside-air-force-headquarters


[size=16pt]south african military FAILED to stop ANC k.illing their soldiers on home soil [/size]

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This your comment is s,tupid because you are raising issues about now defunct apartheid regime which did not have any support of the people it governed. Everybody in the country and including a small portion of white people were against the apartheid government. The situation was The government vs the people and how will you expect the government to win in that case because it is the people who make the government.

Moreover, the ANC was not a terrorist organisation because they never killed people intentionally and instead fought for their freedom. The use of the word terrorist was coined by apartheid government to sabotage the ANC against the likes of the US and UK until such strategy could not work for them anymore. The truth has its way of coming out and instead both countries called upon ANC to apologise and offered them assylum and educated them for free. Most ANC members were educated in both the US and UK.

agaugust: laugh so your teeth can drop out, south african army ran away from seleka rebels in bangui....boko haram ran away from nigerian army in borno to hide in mountains and jungles

nigerian army has killed over 4 of top boko haram commanders including Shekau the number one leader...south african army could not even kill the mosquitoes around Djatodia the leader of seleka rebels....keep laughing....let your teeth drop to the ground....south african army is under the the command and protection of Tanzanian army in Congo because the UN knows ran away from Seleka rebels, so a small Tanzania has to rule over you and your DENEL made heavily painted and polished weapons

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You lost 16 soldiers and nine are still missing probably kidnapped by the BH to roast alive. Moreover, the Aljazeera has shown that your army is full of lies by always downplaying the number of their casualties.

Is Nigerian military in any way telling us the truth about BH?

Read further:

http://m.aljazeera.com/se/201397155225146644

agaugust: my own post of Egypt's military equipment and men is very correct, you guys' own is very very wrong.

i posted full details around june/july on this thread. post your own sources to counter my own, and i will disgrace both of you here again as usual...fool

That's a lie my friend. I know military strength of many African countries and not from the internet but the most reliable source.

The BH is very troublesome!!! 16 soldiers killed and 9 kidnapped, wow!!!

agaugust: you have the courage to rank south africa above egypt after all that people wrote from page 1 to 770 of this thread ? you must be a bigger fool than @saengine

Egypt has over 30,000 tanks, artillery, armoured vehicles, etc plus over 400 F-16 jets and Apache helicopter gunships plus over 20,000 anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles and over 1.5 million soldiers...south africa will be wiped off the map of africa by Egypt in one day....fool

OMG!! All which you have written above is a poo. Are you sure you have never made a mistake and take military strength of India mistaken as that of Egypt. Your statistics above were grossly over exaggerated.

By the way Egypt has 450 000 personnel in total.

chris365: i now see why you'd rather copy and paste than to comment from your own thought. whenever you try to think on your own you end up sounding like a premature f00l.

Pakistan has electricity problems worst than Nigeria yet developed ballistic missiles and has nukes. you are a f00l if you think you need to have steady power supply to build missiles. you better resume your copy and paste.

f00l that doesn't even look at what he copies from. your news is 2004 and Nigeria backed out from it long ago before we decided to train engineers for such project. our missile project is new and growing very fast.

Pakistan electricity crisis is much better than that of our fake giant of Africa.

chris365: no wonder they are jealous that Nigeria is building it's missiles alone.

Nigeria impoted missile technology from N. Korea, that's a Fact! Moreover, there is nothing to be jealous about Nigeria, since we know that South Africa is many years ahead of Nigeria in terms of technology at large, be it military technology et al.

chris365: 1diot, you should have posted your source if it's not premiumtimes.

What do you fear about premium times? The truth hurts.

I guess you will also have to persecute press TV media.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/18/324554/boko-haram-kills-40-nigerian-soldiers/

The truth is written on the wall and just too bitter to swallow. Admit it the BH is just too powerful for your plastic soldiers.

agaugust: 3km altitude, is NOT 3km range. use your head if you have one

the nigerian made missile is said to have 3km altitude and that means it is 3 times better than the only anti-aircraft missile in south africa called Starstreak SAM that you imported from Britain with a foolish altitude of only 1km, nigeria is 3 times better with our 3km

the report says nigeria is testing different sizes of missiles, and that tells you they are not all the same range and altitude. this story started from beegeagle and he says at 2012 the range of nigerian made missile was 70km, then in 2013 people corrected him with update of 120km range.

only a fool like you thinks it is hard to make a missile fly 100km when you already have missile technology, yes nigeria has missile building technology now with sources to prove it, all we need to make a missile fly up to increase its size and increase its fuel load, very simple to increase range.

nigeria is NOT foolish like south africa to publish all the technical details of its weapons on free public internet.

even me now in a far away continent, i can plan how to defeat all south african made weapons because i get all the limitations of your weapons performance freely on internet....foolish south africa has no big military secret any more....fools

nigeria ? fight nigeria and there will be very many surprises from our secretive military forces with modern technology we are now developing to become the strongest military in africa.

with our missile range and altitude increasing every season we do new upgrade and tests, nigeria can stop the big army of egypt on land with a massive surface to surface bombardment of nigerian made rockets and missiles with long ranges.

nigeria is testing many different sizes of missiles, meaning will build surface to ground, surface to air, and surface to sea missiles as Epe base station advances our new technology built only from locally sourced materials.

nigeria will roast south africa like chicken barbecue.....FACT !!!!




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How dare you compare such a nonsense to a starstreak which can run with a velocity of over Mach 4. There is no fighter or helicopter in the world which can run with such a speed. It will be very difficult to manuevre such a fast moving object, however Starstreak remains the best anti-aircraft missile you can ever get in the whole world. Is nothing compared to that amateur rocket.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]new nigerian missile tests revealed by sources at Epe project site.......

now torments all south africans on nairaland [/size]


Nigeria Resumes Rocket Testing

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-

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In my whole career as a soldier I have seen many missiles fired by that rocket from that picture does not look anything like a missile firing. To tell you the truth it looks more like an amateur rocket firing. If that is the level which Nigeria can only go upto, then shame on you because you still have a lot to improve that bloody thing. You are just only a disgrace to Africans at large and with that nonsense you will only proof the Chinese right through the assumptions once made by their president that Africans are not innovative nor technologically inclined to produce anything better.

agaugust:

[size=16pt] all south african DENEL and ASMCOR weapons manufacturing technologies were imported, directly transferred and copied from Europe, America, and Israel for a long period of time from 1960s till 2013.....FACT !!!![/size][/b]


nigeria is building its missile alone, fact !!! the south african RSA-3 ballistic missile was built by Israel, a copy of Israel's Jericho missile, fact !!!


http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/south-africa/delivery-systems/


Last updated: February, 2013

"South Africa has decades of experience developing missile and rocket technology, but it dismantled its covert ballistic missile program after announcing the end of its secret nuclear weapons program in the early 1990s. Since the mid-1960s, South Africa has developed short-range tactical missiles;

in the 1970s and 1980s, South Africa, with help from Israel, began developing a longer range ballistic missile as a possible delivery vehicle for nuclear warheads. A July 1989 test launch of what South Africa called a "booster rocket" confirmed Pretoria had a ballistic missile program similar to Israel's Jericho missile series,

and precipitated intense scrutiny from the United Nations and the United States. South Africa had dismantled its nuclear weapons program by the early 1990s, and subsequently halted its long-range missile program. It is now a member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), and the Hague Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation (HCOC).[2]

Capabilities

Design Characteristics Tables

Ballistic Missiles and Rockets
South Africa developed the Republic of South Africa (RSA) missile series, based largely on Israeli missiles. Armscor, the principal developer of Pretoria's nuclear weapons system, designed gun-type nuclear devices that could be delivered by aircraft, but it had plans to upgrade the weapons for possible delivery by RSA missiles.

Pretoria developed four missiles whose design characteristics are shown in Table 1. The RSA-1 was an intermediate-range, single-stage ballistic missile with a 1,100km trajectory coupled with a standard warhead mass of 1,500kg. The RSA-2 followed, with a range of 1,900km and the ability to carry a 1,500kg standard warhead mass.The RSA-3, based on the Israeli Jericho missile/Shavit launch vehicle, was a three-stage solid-fueled orbital launch vehicle. While Pretoria wanted to develop a long-range ballistic missile for warhead delivery, it did not have the technology at the time to produce a lightweight warhead for missile delivery.The RSA-3's first stage had control or steering vanes in the exhaust and at the base of the vehicle. A guidance/ orientation/spin-up bus for the third stage and payload, totaling a mass of 583kg, topped the second stage. After second stage burnout, the spin-stabilized third stage placed the payload into orbit.To support its missile development program, South Africa developed an indigenous solid-propellant production capability. The RSA-4 was still in development when Pretoria announced the dismantlement of its nuclear weapons program and subsequently its space program.

History

1960s to Early 1980s: South Africa Increases Missile Range with Israeli Aid

The Armaments Corporation of South Africa (Armscor) began developing rockets and missiles in the mid-1960s, focusing primarily on short-range tactical missiles for battlefield use. By the early 1980s, Armscor produced only two missiles used by the South African Defence Forces (SADF): the 22km range Valkiri surface-to-surface artillery missile, and the 4-10km range V3 Kukri air-to-air missile.[8] However, in tandem with South Africa's secret nuclear weapons program begun in the mid-1970s, Pretoria began an effort to acquire or build a long-range missile. At that time, South Africa had little if any experience with relevant technologies such as high-thrust engines, propellant production, and inertial guidance systems.[9] Thus, Pretoria turned to Israel, an important military supplier since the 1950s, and one of the few countries to provide military technology to South Africa after the United Nations imposed embargoes on the country for its apartheid system in 1963 and 1977.

A March 1975 memo addressed to the SADF Commandant-General from the Chief of Staff indicates that Israel had offered to sell Pretoria 500km range Jericho-1 missiles, and that Pretoria was interested in acquiring the nuclear warheads to arm these missiles. Rather than buy off-the-shelf Israeli missiles, Pretoria apparently decided to use Israeli designs and technical assistance.

In 1978, Armscor formed Kentron (now Denel Dynamics), a new subsidiary with a staff of 1,600 headquartered in Pretoria, that was responsible for guided missile development and manufacture. Kentron produced the shorter range RSA-1 and RSA-2 missiles, and also, with Israeli help, undertook development of intermediate and long-range ballistic missiles.

Israeli technological assistance included the design schematics and the capability of constructing the ten-ton solid propellant rocket motors that powered the Jericho-2 missile. These motors formed the basis of two space launchers for the R5b space program. The overall design and capability suggest that the RSA-2 was either a licensed copy of, or modeled closely after, Israel's Jericho-2 missile. Moreover, the first and second stages of the RSA-3 used the same rocket motor as Israel's Shavit launch vehicle, and the third stage, also like the Shavit, had a five metric ton thrust spherical motor.

While Pretoria claimed that it was funding a space program, it sought to eventually use the rockets as weapons delivery systems. According to one history of South African-Israeli military cooperation: "In 1987 Armscor informed the South African Cabinet it could build a missile, based on Israeli design, which 'could hit a target in Nairobi within 300 yards,' about 2,500 km from South Africa."

1989: Rocket Test Reveals Nuclear Ambitions and Draws International Scrutiny
Despite UN embargoes, South Africa secretly collaborated with Israel on a ballistic missile program under the guise of a civilian space program, referred to as R5b. In June 1989, the Washington Times reported that, South Africa, with assistance to Israel, planned to test-launch a new intermediate-range missile. Later, an Armscor spokesman confirmed that the company had over the past six years built a missile test range at Overberg on the southern tip of South Africa. Around the same time, U.S. intelligence sources reported that South Africa was close to launching a modified version of Israel's intermediate-range Jericho-2, probably from a facility near Cape Town reportedly almost identical to Israel's launch site in the Negev Dessert. South African officials stated that the new missile had been under development since at least 1987, and would also be used as a booster for launching photo-reconnaissance satellites.

A U.S. Central Intelligence Agency assessment reportedly suggested that South Africa was also preparing to test the more advanced Israeli Shavit space launch vehicle, which might be converted to a 3,200km-range missile.

On 5 July 1989, Armscor announced that it had successfully tested a booster rocket from the Overberg test range. Outside analysts, however, suggested that the test was of an intermediate-range missile, and U.S. intelligence officials thought that a short-range missile with a rocket plume strikingly similar to Israel's Jericho-2 missile had been tested. The test missile flew 1,450 km southeast toward Prince Edward Island.[17]

After U.S. officials publicly stated in October 1989 that Israel was assisting South Africa in developing a medium-range missile, senior Israeli officials again tried to sidestep the matter, but later Israeli sources confirmed cooperation with South Africa on a variety of projects, including the joint development of a surface-to-surface missile armed with a nuclear warhead.

1990 to 2002: South Africa Terminates Ballistic Missile and Space Programs
The July 1989 rocket test intensified international concerns that South Africa, with Israeli collaboration, planned to develop nuclear tipped missiles. On 15 December 1989, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 44/113 B, noting its great concern about this cooperation and requesting that the Secretary-General investigate. The resulting 1991 UN report concluded in part:

The South African missile programme relies on foreign technology from various foreign sources.

The only source of officially licensed foreign missile technology today is Israel. Much additional technology is acquired clandestinely and illegally....If South Africa deploys long-range missiles, these are most likely intended to carry nuclear warheads."


http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/south-africa/delivery-systems/


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You are drunk. We have had many partnerships with many countries in the last few years but that does not mean SA has no weapons which it developed on its own. We have hundreds of weapons which are 100% proudly made in SA by our engineers. There is no single country in Africa which can pride itself to have achieved that other than Msanzi.

South African education vs US education system

http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/oseas_adsec/sa.htm

All failed states started like Nigeria. Says the army general.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/warning-from-army-general-failed-countries-crises-started-like-nigerias/

South Africa and Russia seals a deal.

http://rt.com/news/russia-south-africa-cooperation-deals-903/

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]nigeria soon to become the strongest military in africa....will overshadow egypt[/size]

the giant of africa`s long range missiles are all built with only locally sourced materials, they can be easily mass produced in thousands !


http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/national-news/132850-nigeria-resumes-rocket-testing-

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I wonder how will missiles make Nigeria the most powerful military in Africa. South Africa has been making rockets for many years yet they are not in the position to be declared the most powerful military in Africa. Keep on dreaming because we all know well that anything that is proudly Nigerian is always a great disappointment.

Denel unveils new weapons

http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/dsei-2013-denel-unveils-new-weapon-systems/

While others are busy bragging about obsolete weapons, South Africa is saying:
DURBAN is up for Olympic. Without any doubt SA must become the first African country to host Olympics because we are the first to taste great things in Africa while others will just follow.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/09/11/durban-up-for-olympics

agaugust: naija soldiers are still better than your south african army battalion of R.apists, even your president is the gang leader

Why have your soldiers blaksemmed their commander if they are all disciplined than their SA conterpart.

NaijaPikinGidi: Arik Air has not had a single accident since it began operations! So what's your point? Yet SA Airlink and SA Express all subsidiaries of SAA have had accidents in the past four years! Stop fo.oling around!!

My son is even older than Arik Air which nearly killed people in a crash with only seven in service.

agaugust: .
nigerian army, kings of jungle warfare in africa !
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Why can't you atleast change the way you wear your ranks. Just look at that captain, he can be distinguished from kilometres away as an officer.

Advice: wear your ranks on the collars of your camouflage shirts and change their colours to black. Is he a medic officer?

agaugust: hahaha okay, dont you have any female cousin 18 years old and above ? i can be a well behaved guy, i hardly ever insult people, i am not stubborn, i am also a very quiet person. you have not been on this forum for many months, i guess your internet service was disconnected due to lack of payment and heavy debt, but i can help you pay some of your heavy burden social utility bills in soweto....if you make this deal work...get it ?

Are you a paedophile sir?

saengine: Wow. I knew stupi*dity existed on this threat but wow....this just takes the cake. How anyone can compare SAA safety record to anything in Nigeria is beyond belief.

No large commercial SAA aircraft has crashed in South Africa for over 20 years. Why dont you do yourself a favour and compare the total number of people killed by large commercial aircaft in Nigeria since 1954 compare to the numbers of people killed in South Africa since 1954. I wonder if you're brave enough to do that.

Then you get desperate by posting links of PRIVATE aircraft crashes. Shame. If Nigeria had a big enough culture of private flying, best believe those light aircaft would be dropping out of the sky just like your commercial jets.Show us how many private aircraft crash in the U.S every year so we can compare. No wonder South African flying schools are full of Nigerians....they wouldnt't dare risk their lives being trained by Oku the fake pilot, who is also a fake doctor and fake engineer on the side.

Bwahahahahaha!! You really killed me.

NaijaPikinGidi: In which part of the world did you lose your brains? Oh! I forgot you are brainless and have found it terribly difficult to make any reasonable comments talk less of comprehending simple comments made by others. Now what part of my earlier post below don't you understand? What part of the basic comparison of events using SAA's crash in 1954 as a basis don't you understand? Obviously you are so blind that all you see is a blank page! You are so blind that you have failed to see Dana crash listed below. My list shows that since SAA's first crash in 1954 ... Dana is the most recent (2012). Until you can tell me what is going on in the Nigeria that I live in ... kindly shut up so I can tell you about the goings in your backyard and around the world. The "poor joy" of your SA must be making your so illiterate and delusional.



How also do your explain the recent (year 2013) crashes below that have occured in your South Africa and to South African airlines? You seem to be a clueless idi.ot since you do not know that as of July 2013 at least 4 crashes have occured in South Africa. Keep embarrassing yourself. I hope you are able to read the reposted comments below? Bloody blind bat.

Shut up, because is you who claim that Nigeria never had a crash in six year. It's not me but you.

Visitors are starting to pour in at the SKA site. The SKA project is what will transform South Africa a leader in the world in research of Science and Technology: The G20 countries nominated SA and Australia to host it, with SA hosting 2/3 of the project. Initially, SA were to take all, but it was decided later that Australia will have atleast one-third of the project.

SKA is an investment because it will boost the economy of SA and will see many young South Africans becoming engineers and scientists.

http://m.news24.com/news24/Technology/News/High-powered-visitors-to-land-at-SA-SKA-site-20130910

Phambili Mzansi phambili!! Foward SA forward!!

NaijaPikinGidi: The unintelligent brains do not know that Mango Airline / SA Airlink / SA Express / SA Airways / all have the same parent/holding company owned by the government of South Africa and led by the ANC. The blockhead South Africans fail to realise that no sane modern day government is interested in or should be wholly running/owning Airline operations. That's why SAA is dangerous ... that's why private airlines are dying one after the other in South Africa due to government manipulations. That's why Kenya Air, Ethiopia Airlines, Arik Air are successful models of privately run Airlines.

Check out the history of SA Airlink / SA Express / SA Airways / plane crashes and you'll hide your faces in shame. They are all one and the same but dressed in different logos!!

South African Airways: 9th most dangerous Airline in the world // It's Official.

EVERY YEAR, stories of plane crashes are a regular news feature in South Africa. Whereas in the past five to six years there has only been one crash in Nigeria. The difference is clear! So deal with it.

In which part of the world do you live? Oh!! I forgot that you have now found yourself a new home in SA no wonder you have forgotten about Nigeria to the extent that you don't really know what's going on in your country. Don't let the joy of SA make you forget about your root. How do you explain this accident which happened now recently last year in June.

Dana Airline from Nigeria had a crash last year on the 3 June 2012. 147 passengers were killed on board.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Air_Flight_992

And this one, which happened not a while ago but 4 months ago in April 2013.

http://www.actionaid.org/activista/2013/04/no-survivors-plane-crashes-nigeria

agaugust: you got it very very very wrong, India has the largest contingent of troops in Congo DRC.....about 3,700 soldeirs....this proves you have never been to Congo DRC military mission as you claim....you are a plastic toy soldier, your air force uniform remains hanging on my mango tree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Organization_Stabilization_Mission_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

I have been to Congo on three missions under MONUC from;
Oct2004-May2005
May2006-Oct2006
May 2008-Oct2008

So, the information says as at May 2013, Indian troops are 3700 and definitely I am not in DR Congo in 2013. Many things could have changed over time. Throughout my missions in DR Congo our contigent in Goma outnumbered the Indians and you could clearly see with the size of our various bases. SA troops are only found mainly at rebel infested regions in Lubero, Beni, Goma and Kindu. Indian troops are positioned elsewhere other than those regions with majority at Bunia and Kindu.

Goma is just in the borders of Rwanda and Congo in the eastern part . It is where the majority of our strong men, the pride of the lions are placed to face the enemy from Rwanda. The only UN soldier that the residents of Goma know is a South African soldier because they have good relationship with them ever since 1999.

Wewe uko matatiso Agaugust, u na penda Ku sema bongo.

agaugust: .

from road to grass....do south african pilots have cataract in their eyes ? they hardly see the road
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https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/AIR/Air_new/SAA-taxyway-incident_400x300.jpg

That is nothing compared to what we have been experiencing in Nigeria lately. Our private flying schools have been training a lot of your pilots giving them a better flying skills.

I am singing: Naijapigoon, Naijapigoon, Naijapigoon where are you!! Agaudust, Agaudust, where are youuuuu!! Christopher, Chrishitooo, Chris-shitoooo where are youuuuu.

Nigeria has most Air crashes in Africa.

http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2012/jun/021.html