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agaugust: show me source to prove the test of Umkhonto missile against a sea-skimming 2 meter (6 feet above sea water) low level anti-ship missile, show me now...fool@Agaugust you live in Nigeria somewhere in the jungle and hopefully you do not know how fast a skua drone is. It is just as fast as a missile my friend and even more faster than your otomat. Here under are the tests which have been done about Umkhonto capabilities. http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sa-missile-concludes-trials-with-a-bang-2005-11-11 Denel was even once accused of selling a skua technology to Iran. http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9438/ |
This is final, NNS ARANDU will never stop SAS valour class frigate. It will perish and bow before SAS Amatola like a slave to a master. It will fire all its sea skimming otomat missile to no avail because umkhonto is well optimised to stop sea skimming missiles and all airborne missiles including shooting down fighters. It is the first of its kind in the whole world. @Agaugust lost. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread25708/pg1 |
chris365: just one honest question.One unit of it cost about $4 million It is currently in service with Finland navy and the next will be Brazil navy and Algeria, the deal is already sealed. Sweden, S Korea, UAE, Kenya and many more have shown interest. It is the first of its own kind in the whole world, no wonder @Agaugust does not know it because it does miracles which are by far difficult for his small brain to comprehend. |
I hope @Agaugust will read this and stop embarrassing himself about Sea skimming missiles against Umkhonto missile. FINNISH NAVY SELECTS DENELS UMKHONTO MISSILE Friday, October 18, 2002 The Finnish Navy has signed a multi-million rand contract with Denels Kentron division this week for the supply of Umkhonto-IR surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and associated fire control equipment. The missiles are meant to equip six vessels of the Finnish Navy?s Squadron 2000 project. It is believed that the special features of the Umkhonto-IR missile, including its multiple target and vertical launch capability, combined with a competitive proposal, won the day for Kentron. Industry support from the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) over the past number of years made it possible for the South African Navy (SAN) to become the launch customer of the Umkhonto-IR missile system for its new Meko A-200 Patrol Corvettes, currently under construction in Germany. The SA Navy?s selection of the Umkhonto-IR enabled Kentron to expand its marketing of the state-of-the-art missile to other prospective clients like Finland. The fact that Finland is a member of the European Union makes the selection of Umkhonto-IR all the more significant and creates a solid platform for future marketing and sales elsewhere in the world. Typically the Umkhonto-IR surface-to-air missile system acts as a ship?s primary defensive weapon against incoming sea-skimming missiles and other air threats such as attack aircraft. The missile is launched from a set of sealed and pressurised cylindrical launch canisters installed below the deck of the vessel. Launched vertically, with autonomous flight control, the Umkhonto-IR missile system provides for all around protection (360°cover) of the ship. A number of missiles (up to eight or more) can be launched at different targets simultaneously. The 3-metre long missile, weighing 125 kg at launch, takes less than 16 seconds to engage a target as far as eight kilometres away. It has a set of tail-mounted, aerodynamic control fins, as well as thrust vectoring vanes in the motor nozzle, making it highly agile. With its low smoke propellant, the attacking enemy is less likely to notice the missile during flight. Equipped with an IR (infra-red) seeker and sophisticated guidance systems, including digital autopilot, the Umkhonto-IR missile homes in on its target after launch. By doing such mid-flight guidance to the target , known in military terminology as lock-on-after-launch, saves on valuable time, thus allowing for superior protection of the vessel. f Details: Lenght 3m Weight 125kg Range 12km (up to 10 in height..) Speed 2,5 mach http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread25708/pg1 |
agaugust: Otomat has radars and sensors, the command and control officer that launched the missile is not a fool, his NNS ARADU has 180km range DA-08 air search and track radar screen, once he sees valour frigate launch Umkhonto missile, he guides the missile to descend to lowest sea skimming 2m level to avoid any enemy defense.....i have sank your expensive valour warship and wasted your government`s money....fact !!Your NNS Arandu is too weak to even stop one of our frigate, talkless of four of them. I told you that you will fire all your otomat missiles to no avail until you will have nothing left. Umkhonto will stop all of them and there will be no need to sink it but we will comfortably confiscate it to put at our war museum as a trophy. |
agaugust: the research has already been done by south africans and it was concluded that south african valour frigate defense against anti-ship missiles is very poor....read below...you lost this argument .....You see that is where you are going wrong. The umkhonto is one of the latest technology and that America have never tested it against Umkhonto. I say again, Umkhonto is one of its kind and there are only few of such type in the whole world. Umkhonto is fully capable to stop any kind of anti-ship missiles be it sea skemming or not. Do you even know that Exocet is one of the best anti-ship missiles in the world, no wonder the US is even planning to procure them and have been testing them recently. There is nothing special about otomat that makes it invincible, unless you are only playing hard to believe like Thomas in the bible. |
agaugust: 1961 SAM-3 missile shot down 1999 american air force super modern stealth jet fighter in Bosnia war. foolWe do not claim that ancient SAM system cannot shoot down aircrafts. Their primary role is to shoot down low flying fighter jets. Our assertion was that the world has now moved so fast that they have developed technology to jam the system used by those SAMs. The ancient SAM have now attracted more disadvantages than advantages than before and will only make you vulnerable to use such air defence system against any country flying 4th generation fighters. They might even demolish your air defence system before you could even shoot down one of the enermy's fighters. I don't think anyone would want to rely on luck to shoot down enemy's fighters rather is better to upgrade your system to match the enemy's firepower and give them a good run for their money. |
agaugust: @zaandrew just got banned above, he insulted me because i proved south african Umkhonto missiles CANNOT do what DENEL fraudulently claims as the missile was NEVER tested as a defence against sea skimming anti-ship missiles, the truth hurt him so bad...he insulted me big time and he got banned big timeYou are crazy, I told you that Umkhonto marry the target by locking into it like a magnet. It is fully capable of stopping any kind of missile, sea skemming or not, umkhonto is designed to follow the target at any direction. Denel does not claim, they test their weapon. Did you think that Denel engineers never had the so called sea skemming type of anti-ship missiles on their minds when they designed the defence system of their valour-class? The Umkhonto missiles were not designed to attack but to provide an all round defence against any type of missile. Professor @Agaugust your claims are outdated and Denel's engineers are more clever than you are, they have already thought about that long time and wouldn't dare to provide SANDF with an obsolete defence system. I know that you find it hard to believe, but Umkhonto is designed as everything in one. Have you ever heard of all in one before? Example of that would be your i-phone which is a combination of computer, calculator, GPS, phone, MP3 player, etc. You can buy all that separately isn't ? Umkhonto missile is one of its kind and there are only few of that type in the whole world. It has characteristics of combination of defence missiles in one and so there is no need for a separate defence missile which does a specific assignment like anti ship missile-missile as you preferred it to be. Give yourself time and research about Umkhonto than making unfounded statements as if you were the one who invented it. |
Henry120: I'm only going to give you this attention once you twerp. The personnel of nigerian intelligence services are well trained, better trained than her south african counter-parts. The nigerian DSS is the best intelligence agency in africa. However training alone cannot win you a war, you need to have money, experience, equipment and expertise, all of these in there requisite numbers.No chief your intelligence is already compromised, the insugents intelligence has an upper hands over your army. It is only a fool who would ever rate such an intelligent system to be the best in Africa. |
saengine: Boko Haram strikes again. 87 killed yesterday. This isnt funny anymoreNigeria is in a vulnerable position. Only God will help Nigeria, |
Henry120: shut up your mouth/ thumbs, else I'd call julius malema to come kick your a$$ back to south-east asiaJulius Malema would kick me back to where? JM doesn't own SA and is just nothing 2 South African government. I am proudly South African. |
zaandrew: Sorry but where do you get this bull. The umkhonto was built to stop sea skimmimg ASM, aircraft and any thing that flys. So please don't embatise your self.LoL!! He will just fire all his 40 units of Otomat but to no avail. Four Valour- type warships with 16 Umkhonto each against one single NNS Arandu will just be too much to take. NNS Arandu will sink to the bottom of the ocean and be seen no more. The only arm that I used to respect in Nigerian military was their land forces but now with a level of this unprofessionalism potrayed in encounter with BH, I would prefare to retain back my honours. Well, their Airforce and Navy had never been any outstanding, those one we can beat on one on one. |
gst101: OBL was thought to have been killed several times before the last account the US govt gave us.Both Osama and Hussain had their pictures leaked to the media. |
gst101: where is Osama Bin Laden's body?Osama Bin Laden body was shown on the news papers and we have seen it lying dead. Where is Shekau's body? remember he was also thought to have been killed before somewhere in 2008 and only to resurface two years later. |
chris365: only a complete blockhead like you will not realize that the person in that video is an imposter. Complete blockheadEven your most trusted beegeagle has confirmed that was Shekau's video. The one before it was an imposter and the last month one was a real one. |
Umkhonto locks to a target like a magnet and so it doesn't matter how low an otomat can fly, that is where the umkhonto will go. Even if the Otomat goes underwater the umkhonto will follow it because they will be a couple made from heaven. The umkhonto has a capability of marrying a target and will follow her husband everywhere he goes like a woman who has been given a love portion. @Agaugust claims are unfounded that Umkhonto cannot shoot down Otomat. The basic purpose of Umkhonto is to stop any type of Anti-Ship missiles including AGMs. All 16 missiles can shoot in a split second with each one locked on its target at various angles. |
agaugust: please dont drag this thread backwards, i proved to @saengine on this forum june/july that south african valour frigate has no defense against multiple attack of nigerian NNS Aradu Otomat anti-ship missile.IS A LIE!!! Umkhonto is fully capable of providing an all round defence against any attack. All anti ship missiles are slower than Umkhonto, hence Umkhonto sense them approaching from kilometres away. Umkhonto also has the capability of multiple firing, meaning is able to fire more missiles at one time. Denel's SAMs a hit | ITWeb 16 Apr 2008 ... This will make it the third user of the missile and associated IT, after the SA Navy and ... manager Machiel Oberholzer says the Umkhonto is optimised to shoot down anti-ship missiles |
agaugust: south african version of Exocet missile is Block 2 with range of only 72km maximum, you should be ashamed that a nigerian civilian is teaching you a south african military officer about south african weapons limitations and weaknesses...foolIt will be very stupid to use your missiles at that range. Do you even forget that all our MEKOs are armed with umkhonto missiles which are optimised to shoot down any approaching anti ship missile and air fighters. The Umkhonto provides an all round defence, from air to the water surface and has a sensitive head to detect any approaching missiles and air attacks. Your NNS Arandu will never defeat our four valour class warships and subs which are armed with UGM84 Hapoons anti ship missiles. You will fire all your 40 otomats to no avail for they will be stopped by the most versatile Ukhonto missiles. After you have fired all your missiles it will be the end of your navy my friend. |
Henry120: Shekau is dead. dead men, don't speak. The recent operation also killed a senior boko-haram commander.Where is his body? ![]() |
agaugust: ....SHEKAU is raised back from the dead. Lol!! ![]() Last month he came back alive in his video and dared America as he already dismissed Nigerian Army as small boys. http://thenationonlineng.net/new/boko-haram-leader-shekau-dares-obama-in-video/ |
@Agaugust: Lol!! Are you trying to console yourself from all the shame and disgrace that your men have suffered at the hands of BH. Our army had nothing to hide and was even brave enough to televise the mass funeral internationally as events were unfolding in the burial of 13 gallant soldiers. I was personally present in the funeral to pay my last respect as it was hosted in my unit before their bodies could be transferred to their various home towns. We have nothing to hide and the world has witnessed the truth through media coverage and television. Unlike in Nigeria where funerals are held behind closed doors and at the venue unknown to the media talkless of their graves. Nigerian military is full of lies and their denial to tell the truth is clearly aimed at denying the terrorists psychological victory. Nigeria will never win against South Africa. |
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NaijaPikinGidi: Your cut and paste addiction has gone to a whole new level.Shekau is boasting that your men are running away from the BH heavy firepower and he even openly dismissed your soldiers as liers. Now tell me who to believe now because your generals keeps on giving people false hopes that they are winning the battle and only to experience continuous attacks. The truth is your military is full of lies, they are just plastic soldiers pretending to be made of steel. Your commanders are very amateurish since they have led many of your men into a trap set by the BH. Admit it your soldiers are not as strong as you think and I don't think at this level they are anything to defeat South Africa. Meanwhile, SA never ran away from Bangui, they stood their ground until ordered to vacate the territory of CAR with order from the parliament. They were ordered to leave everything behind and return back home. Our men were ready for a battle and were eagerly waiting for re-inforcement from SA but the legislature decided otherwise from unleashing their full military might on a tiny CAR. The parliament acted wisely because now SA could have been accused of many atrocities which could have perhaps amounted to crimes against humanity and even attracted the ICC. The CAR is just an ant compared to our full strength and firepower. |
BH kill not fewer than 54 and burn more than hundred houses and cars in yet another attack despite being defeated. What aches my heart the most is that soldiers were no where to be seen even though the drama unfolded right under their noses. http://tribune.com.ng/news2013/index.php/en/news/item/21944-boko-haram-54-killed,-100-houses,-vehicles-burnt-in-borno.html |
Its all about lies! Lies! Lies! Lies! Lies!!!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10239115/Militants-kill-44-worshippers-at-Nigeria-mosque.html |
LIES EXPOSED!!! NIGERIA LOST 35 SOLDIERS. 35 soldiers killed in August 4 clash with Boko Haram Posted on Sunday, August 11th, 2013 By Stella Odueme-Omona (Abuja) and Sunny Nwankwo (Maiduguri ) ? Gen Chris Olukolade How many soldiers actually lost their lives last week when they clashed with the deadly Islamic insurgents Boko Haram in Borno State? And why would the military authorities play down on the number of deaths of their personnel only for them to detail the military plane last week to pick relations of the actual number of soldiers who died in the clash for their burial? This is the riddle that family members and friends of the deceased soldiers are trying to unravel. Sunday Independent investigation has shown that contrary to reports by the military command in Borno State that only two soldiers were killed in last Sunday (August 4, 2013) clash between the Multi-National Joint Task Force (MNJTF) and Boko Haram insurgents, 35 soldiers loss their lives in the encounter. Spokesperson for the Joint military Task Force (JTF), Lt. Col. Sagir Musa had earlier said the MNJTF successfully repelled Boko Haram terrorists attack when the insurgents launched twin attacks on Mobile Police Base and Bama town. His words: Terrorists using sophisticated weapons and Improvised Explosive Devices (IED) launched attacks at about 6:45 a.m. on August 4, 2013. The encounter led to the death of one policeman and 17 Boko Haram terrorists; two soldiers were also wounded. Musa also added that two soldiers were killed in another separate attack on the operatives of the MNJTF. But findings by this newspaper during the week revealed that 35 soldiers, not two, died from the Sunday attacks while soldiers from Lagos State brigade had majority of the casualties. On Thursday August 8, a team of soldiers from Borno State arrived Lagos to break the news of the soldiers death to their families. It was during the visit that Sunday Independent scooped that 35 soldiers were killed by Boko Haram operatives in the said attack. The team which came to Lagos via a C130 military aircraft visited a number of Barracks in Ikorodu, Ojo, Yaba, Apapa and Ikaja to break the unpleasant news to families of the deceased soldiers. They also informed the families that they would be airlifted to Maiduguri the following morning to witness the burial. On Friday, wives and children of the deceased soldiers were airlifted to Maiduguri where the soldiers were buried amidst uncontrollable wailing as the 35 gallant soldiers were laid to rest in military tradition. But more troubling is that some soldiers are still missing, including the commandant that led the ill-fated unit. But unconfirmed sources indicated that the commandant might be complicit in the attack. Sources said such a blow on the military and without a corresponding loss on the part of the insurgents could only mean that the commandant had given them an order that was deliberately meant to make them vulnerable. While what happened on Sunday was still sketchy, Sunday Independent gathered from sources that the affected troops were part of the team that was to be relieved by Nigerian peace-keeping troops from Mali. According to one source, the troops had disarmed and were preparing to eat their meal when, perhaps, a mole amongst them alerted the insurgents. Though GSM services have still not been restored in the state, it is still unclear what means the alleged mole used in tipping the insurgents, though satellite phones cannot be ruled out. The source also said the insurgents, decked in foreign military camouflage, came in different Hilux trucks and ambushed the soldiers when they were vulnerable. But when this newspaper asked whether such a take-down was possible under normal military operational procedure, the source said it was impossible. According to the source, your weapon is your wife if there is an ambush; 35 people cannot be easily cut down without some of the soldiers pulling out their weapon for a fight-back. I suspect that they were not even close to their weapons during the attack and that was what must have accounted for such a huge loss. When asked if it was also possible that departing troops could handover their weapons while still in the state, the source said it was also abnormal. According to him, such could only happen inside the aircraft that would be taking them back to their destination. One of the soldiers who died in the attack, Sunday Independent gathered, had in the last telephone conversation with his father, said he was scared that they might not return alive. He told his father that the insurrection they were facing was serious. Contacted on Saturday, the military high command preferred to keep mum on our fresh findings. The cell phone of Army spokesman, Brigadier-General Chris Olukolade was switched off when Sunday Independent contacted him. No response also came from him when an sms was sent to him. However, another senior officer insisted that the number of soldiers killed during the attack was only two. Meanwhile, the commander of the military Joint Task Force (JTF), Major General Jah Ewansiah, has told Governor Kashim Shettima of Borno State that 12 soldiers and seven policemen were killed in recent attacks in Borno by suspected members of the Boko Haram. Sagir had last week denied that up to a dozen officers were killed in the Malumfatori attack on soldiers by the Boko Haram on August 4. The JTF spokesman had claimed in a statement that only two soldiers and a policeman were killed in the attack as well as another attack in Bama. The JTF had earlier claimed that it killed 32 Boko Haram members in the two attacks. Ewansiah, however, revealed the casualty to Shettima, when the latter visited the JTF headquarters on Friday to condole with the Task Force over the ugly occurrence. We have lost 12 soldiers in Malumfatori and seven policemen in Bama attacks. But despite that the JTF is resolute and committed to ensure that peace is completely restored in Borno State, even if it means losing their lives, Ewansiah said. The governor donated N1million to the families of each of the deceased soldiers and policemen. According to him, as a responsible and responsive government, it became necessary to condole the families in appreciation of the supreme sacrifice the gallant soldiers paid in the course of restoring peace in the state. |
Nigerian Army lies exposed when initially first claimed they have lost only two men on the clash with BH dated 4th August 2013 when they infact lost 35 soldiers. Read more. http://www.dailyindependentnig.com/2013/08/35-soldiers-killed-in-august-4-clash-with-boko-haram/ This is a proof that Nigerian military is full of lies by downplaying casualty figures as always. |
FACT!! Nigerian Army is lying about the heavy casualty they sustained at the hands of BH. It is just very unfortunate that war journalists are being intimidated and blocked by the soldiers to visit and cover the news about anything that has to do with BH encounter. Anyway the truth always come out, it is just a matter of time that it will soon come out to the surface. Watch this space!! |
Nigerian media at large are still sceptical of General Ibrahim's reports that they lost only 16 soldiers with nine more still missing. It looks like it will harm the armys pride to ever admit such a huge casualty blamed on poor planning strategies and lack of arial support. Read more. http://www.cknnigeria.com/2013/09/boko-haram-kills-40-soldiers-in-borno.html?showComment=1379484835252 http://www.punchng.com/news/40-soldiers-feared-killed-in-bharam-ambush/ |
agaugust: south african valour frigates have only 4 anti-ship missiles each....it wont take you anywhere, nigerian navy has 40 Otomat anti-ship missiles with longer range 80km-180km than all south african nvalour frigate Exocet missiles with range 70km.Oops!! Exocet is on the same league with otomat. It has a range of 70-180Km, infact most of the anti-ship missiles can only reach that far other than American navy's modified anti-ship Harpoon missiles which can reach upto 240km. Here are the specifications of Exocet missile. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet |
agaugust: nigerian navy Otomat long range anti-ship missiles : 40 unitsYou are indeed suffering from a cracked skull. That number of missiles are what we call interim measures that our defence has taken concerning the procurement of foreign missiles and is not permanent. Denel has a programme in place of replacing all foreign procured missiles and develop their own. Nigerias 40 units of otomat is undoubtedly still very small to rely on, no wonder Nigeria does not fire any missiles in practice. In general SA has more missiles than Nigeria, that's why every now and then we fire missiles during combat readiness training. Do you even know that Mokopa has own version of Anti-ship missiles which Denel want to advance even further. It is very apparent that you are not on times with the defence industries in South Africa because SA is working towards becoming self-sufficient in missile technology and does not even have any plans to procure any missiles from anyone in future. Missiles are very expensive and could harm the pockets of any country to procure them on large quantities, that why you cannot even see a single missile being fired in Nigeria. Only a single unit of it could cost upto N25 million and Nigeria is not yet ready to waste all that. There are only three countries which have a history of firing missiles in training in the whole of Africa, and that's Egypt, South Africa and Algeria. Nigeria is not there my friend, you can even ask your generals. |
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Would please stop lying, it's not good for your health.