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TheSuperNerd:
But there's professional experience in football. That, no one can wash away and make light of. Nwakaeme had 7 yrs of that and still froze on his debut. Unlike Osimhen who came in and did more in five mins than Anthony did in 71. Fact.

Also Chuks just starting at Villarreal professionally did far more in 45 mins on his debut than what Nwakaeme delivered for us in 71mins. And this is the National team. Lots of players/talents keep popping up all over the globe. If one cannot take his chance when given from the start even if in one game, then he only has himself to blame if he never gets called up again.

It's the way NT competition is.

Now remember I said I know One game may never be enough to judge a player but sometimes, that one game is all a Player may have to show us what he's got in the light of rising competition for places in the NT, year in, year out.

If Nwakaeme wanna get Rohr's attention. He should look at what Onuachu is doing. Onuachu is forcing himself into Rohr's plans with his crazy goals scoring in Belgium. He is the best in Belgium.

But is Nwakaeme even the best LW in Turkey? Even Onyekuru right now commands a better goals-game ratio and even he may not have Rohr's attention yet. There is a kind of stats form Nwakaeme will command in Turkey that Rohr won't ignore.
But 6 goals + 4 assists in 19 starts in a league rated below the likes of Holland, Belgium, Russia, Scotland, Austria and even Ukraine won't exactly wow Rohr I'm afraid.
He could only get invited for the March games if we are missing a few other options.

Nwakaeme was played out of position.

mostob:
So what is your point bro. Football is not as straightforward as you think. You need to look into the team and see what is missing. Now, Nwakaeme is a striker, the question is, is he better than those we have now? So you are saying if Henry is recalled, they should call Tony, do both play in the same position. You need to stop victimising yourself ontop every post.

Nwakaeme is not a striker.

Hmmm!

ihateniggov1:
For the most part of the latter 1800’s Ibadan was the defato capital of Yorubaland. It was the first city to successfully annex all the regional powers under one central government (the argument that Oyo held such status prior was false). Anywhere in Yorubaland at the time, before a new king ascended the throne, he had to consult with the chiefs at Ibadan and seek their approval.

This included the ancient cradle city of Ife… Oni Orayegba Ojaja for example was imposed on Ife by Ibadan. In other parts like Ekiti, Ibadan had its Ajeles.

The only exception was Ijebu…. Being a strategic port city, it had an advantage of waging both physical and economic war. For the most parts, the nobility at Ibadan was just and very protective. They ensured that no invasion from the North infiltrated Yorubaland.

However, the Ajeles they appointed were not as noble…. Their excesses for example incited the revolt at Ekiti led by Fabunmi.

Owa Agunlejika of Ilesha died in 1870. Two popular princes vied for the throne after him….. Prince Odigbadigba and Prince Oweweniye.

They both had tremendous support among the people…. There however was a very powerful warlord at the time who had preference for Odigbadigba. His name was Ogedengbe.

Knowing fully well that no ruler can ascend the throne in most parts of Yorubaland without the approval of Ibadan, he sent gifts to the chiefs to persuade them to accept his candidate. His contact link to the chiefs was Balogun Ayobo.

The gifts sent to him included beads, slaves, clothes and cowrie shells.

The normal practice was for Balogun Ajobo to distribute the gifts with the other chiefs and lobby for Ogedemgbe’s candidate.

He however kept all the gifts for himself and sanctioned the crowning of Odigbadugba…. When other powerful chiefs of Ibadan heard of this, they were greatly offended.

Immediately, Odigbadigba’s legitimacy to the throne was nullified and both candidates were summoned to Ibadan for questioning…. The chiefs decided that Ogedengbe’s candidate was not ideal.

Ogedengbe trained to be a soldier at Ibadan in the private militia of Bashorun Ogunmola…. He commited an act of treason when he deserted Ibadan to fight for Ijesha in some earlier campaign and Ogunola ordered his execution….

But for the intervention of Latosa ( who would later become bale of Ibadan himself)… he would have been executed…. The oracle however told Ogunmola that the man he pardoned would one day rise to be a great thorn in Ibadan’s flesh…

This made his presence at Ibadan very risky and he escaped back to Ilesha. Based on this sentiment, Ibadan chiefs rejected his candidate and endorsed Oweweniye. On their way back to Ilesha, Ibadan chiefs organized a setup attack on Odigbadigba and he was murdered by his escorts…. Balogun Ayobo, the Ibadan chief that caused the confusion was stripped of his titles and ordered to commit suicide.

Ogedengbe did not take lighly that his candidate was rejected and disgraced by Ibadan. In protest, he laid a siege on Ilesha and deposed all the chiefs that supported Oweweniye. His powers grew so strong and got the Owa uncomfortable…

Ibadan took his open defiance as an act of rebellion and responded in kind…. A powerful warlord by the name Ajayi Ogboriefon was dispatched in 1872 to restore peace in Ilesha and bring back Ogedengbe as a war captive.

Ogedengbe knew he stood no chance in an open battle against the defato powerbase of Yorubaland… he resorted to guerilla battle. Ibadan warriors did not know the terrains and jungles as he did. He marched his army out of the city and camped in the jungles close to Idi Iroko.

When Ibadan army got to Ilesha, they did not find him. They tracked him through the jungles but could not keep up… He cleverly moved far into the jungles close to Ikere at a place called Igbo Alawun.

From here, he used his knowledge of the jungle to launch hit and run attacks on Ibadan warriors . His tactics was usually ambush attacks. Since Ibadan people did not know the terrain, they could never predict where the ambush would come from.

Ogboriefon returned to Ibadan in defeat and was called to give a report in the presence of the Bale…. He wept like a kid as he gave his account, the shame of coming back home defeated in battle was quite unbearable for the legendary warrior.

This is one of the many events of history that fits a popular Yoruba proverb which says ‘moja mosa la fin mo akinkanju loju ogun’




- YorubaNation

Nice write up.

However, I will like to correct some notions.

1. Why was Oyo an empire if the arguement was false?

2. Ibadan was under the command of Alaafin Atiba.

3. Ibadan didn't subjugate or annex everywhere in Yorubaland.

wayodude:
Read my earlier post regarding incentives..and then add that to the fact that for many teams particularly in the poorer leagues, the Europa Cup is their only realistic chance of continental glory and you'll understand why the English Teams you listed didn't win it regularly.

Since the rule that the Europa League winners qualified for the champions league group stage automatically came into force both Chelsea and Man Utd have won it and Arsenal also made it to the final. It's obvious what effect the incentive has had. No?

The last time Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal participated in Europa League, they couldn't win it. Why?

wayodude:
As early as I started hearing about Chelsea and Arsenal and Aston Villa and Sheffield Wednesday etc

Okay. In the championship.

wayodude:
Hahaha na so. I think we have agreed on one count. But my guy although Shakhtar Donetsk are a decent club they not as attractive a prospect as Leicester City for players, coaches and investors alike. Trust me.

I remember when Julius Aghawoha moved there from Esperance Tunis in 2000 or so that was the first time I had ever heard the name Shakhtar Donetsk and people were angry he left Esperance for them. Imagine that.

When did you start hearing about Leicester city?

wayodude:
You haven't answered the question though. Which is harder to win?

Until recently when the winners of the Europa League automatically qualified for the champions league group stage there was never any incentive for the big English Teams to win the Europa League. The prize money is less than the FA cup! The smaller English Teams who have made it there weren't equipped to compete such as Birmingham and Stoke.

On both occasions when Chelsea has won it there have been no open top bus tours. I guess that indicative of the status of that tournament.

Europa League is more difficult to win. Are Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool etc not EPL teams?

The last time I checked they couldn't win it the last time they participated in the tournament.

wayodude:
What is more difficult, winning today's Europa League or winning the Premier League?

If Europa League is easy, why are teams from EPL not winning it every season?

Lagoon0:
Thats the city of Lagos right? The Lagos natives refer to as Lagos is Lagos division. Now google Lagos division and tell me places under that region.
Lagos has been before Lagos city. Lagos has been from colonial era

Lagos is also Lagos island division. Simple!

Nobody is disputing your assertion but it later expanded to the mainland.

thatigboman:
na lie u lie. Cotonou is far better than lagos in terms of infrastructure, security and quality of living

Which Cotonou?

Is it the same with sand sand streets?

Cotonou is better in terms of constant light. That's all

thatigboman:
the city of lagos which was the former federal capital comprise of lagos mainland and lagos island. The mainland was ebutte metta, yaba, surulere up to igbobi. The island comprise apapa island, lagos island, ikoyi island and victoria island. Then ikeja was capital of lagos state but very far from lagos city. But lagos metamorphosed into a mega city

Gbam. You sabi something. Thanks

Osagyefo98:
The height Kigali, Windohek , Ghana, Cameroon And Bostwana has attained and do intend to attain, I doubt if Nigeria will beat them let alone reach such height in the next 60 years.

These countries now operate on another level, whereas What Nigeria is targeting as vision 2050 are what these cities are now operating and 10 years ahead of the vision 2050..

Anyone that understands the dynamics of economics and have the opportunity should migrate to these countries and meet their dreams.

Have you been to Douala and Yaounde?

Ikeja better pass those places.

Ghana? One city state.

Austine1213:
Century city

South Africa

Is this the whole of century city?

wayodude:
I have added some metrics here. Of course you can add to these of you like. Shakhtar Donetsk got their 'financial doping' about 25 years ago and have since then won 90 percent of their titles and recognition. Their business model is speculating on and buying young Brazilian talent with the hope of selling on for huge profits. They are the true definition of the phrase 'local champions'

Leicester on the other hand hardly have any history of note but are on an upwards trajectory with a sustainable business model and commited owners. Unfortunately they play in a league where there is low ceiling blocking sustained upward mobility. If they played in a different league (like the Ukrainian league) they would have a much stronger chance of consistent success and building pedigree.

My summary is there isn't much to choose between them at the moment BUT if I was a player with a choice to make I will join today's Leicester before I joined Shakhtar Donetsk.

The question was directed to nerd to point out his double standard.

No intention to debate between Sharktar Donetsk and Leicester city.

However, Sharktar Donetsk reached Europa League semi final just last season. Not forgetting they won UEFA cup in the same 21st century.

Does that sound like local champion to you?

chrisooblog:
you and your goalpost shifting. you cheekily mentioned top 4 European league because you know Awaziem played in France but forgot he played in Spain anyway na your way sha. How will Ebuehi play when he was injured for most of these past two years?

If you read my post objectively instead of wanting to argue in your usual way you saw that I said I prefer Ebuehi for his overall defending this is based on what my korokoro eyes has seen and not whether someone plays somewhere or not. It's not by force for you to agree.

French league quality is very low though it is among the top 5.

However, suspecting a player's defensive ability even after playing and winning individual laurls in the Seria A is nothing close to being objective.

slimthugchimee2:
But leicester is better than sharktar

There is no argument there

Can you argue this with UEFA?

wayodude:
Leicester is better than Shakhtar Donetsk.

Who did the rating? Besides, the comparison was not done this season though Sharktar Donetsk still ranks far above Leicester city.

Please, let us be consistent with the standard of measurement here.

slimthugchimee2:
But leicester is better than sharktar

There is no argument there

Which year?

TheSuperNerd:
So it is Awaziem that hasn't played in the Top 4 leagues? Dude... So you forgot he played a full season in La Liga just recently?? As recently as 2019/2020?? Bia... You okay bro?

Let us remove Awazien. It was an oversight. Pardon.

TheSuperNerd:
Football weeps at this question....

Why is football weeping at this question when you are guilty of same?

Were you not the one that claimed Leicester city is better than Sharktar Doneskt because the former is an EPL team?

I just wanted to point out your double standard. That's all. Merci.

chrisooblog:
this guy you have come again with your puzzling statements. it's like saying can Leon Balogun and Akpoguma play in the Italian league known for defending since Ekong did ok there too?
guy this is a new year please please leave such illogical hot takes in the past.

At least, the aforementioned players have played in the top 4 leagues in Europe.

Can you just answer the question since you think Ebuehi and Awazien are better than Ola defensively?

elunico:
What would stop them?

I don't know but what is stopping them from playing in Seria A?

chrisooblog:
agreed some have been against Aina starting but let's be fair also a lot of criticism directed Ola's way is based on what people have seen of him in the national team. which in a way is also unfair because rohr hasn't played him enough in his natural RB position where we can see the best of him.

Aina for me like I've always said is an asset when we're attacking but his defending still needs work which is probably the excuse rohr is using to start Ebuehi, Akpors and Awaziem ahead of him. Personally it's only Ebuehi i can agree with slightly starting ahead of Ola but i have no qualms if he starts. At least i haven't seen any game that we lost as a result of Aina dropping a disaster class.

Can Ebuehi and Awazien play in the Italian league known for defending?

TheSuperNerd:
Yep. Like how you personally rated Aina as better than Sanusi at LB??

Besides how was Chrisooblog's post about Aina now? Did he call Aina? Zaidu will walk into Fulham's first XI easily on the left. Does Aina play left back for Fulham?

Some of you shouting sentiments, sentiments, sentiments! cannot even hide yours. Sir Kog, you are too Aina-biased! Period!

Is Porto better than Fulham in EPL?

Lagoon0:
Where in Lagos has stable electricity ?


Edited: i saw the argument of lexy2014 and forgiveness and both party where right .

But ill put to forgiveness that there Is nothing like Lagos city these days.

We as Lagos indigene see only eko Lagos island as Lagos.
And according to our division all area under Lagos division (Lagos island) is also refer to as Eko. Epe remains epe, eti-osa thats is part of your so-_called Lagos city is epe land.

It has ijebu people dominant as natives. Do you think epe local government is the only place referred to as epe?

The ijebu who migrated away from ijebu ode down to oko epe see themselves has expanding in the oko epe. Lekki ibeju-lekki and epe are under epe division.

There is nothing like Lagos city. What we know is eko. When people say awori lo leko. They refer to Lagos island not eti-osa

The mainland added to the then LAgos was just jara. Lagos remains (Lagos island )

What is Eko what is Lagos?

You are a indigene but you don't know the difference.

dionma:
[Just a clarification, if Oduduwa came from the ife hill side, any historical records of who is parents were.

quote author=TAO11 post=98742773] Sure, no problem. I’m taking my time to deal with the subject in good details.

Yes he didn’t. None of those places. He is a indigenous Yoruba man.

The Yoruba traditional narratives agree with this position.

The present-day consensus of professional historical scholarship agrees with this position.

Go ahead and re-visit that comment one more time for some “proofs”.

But be rest assured that I will further discuss this too with detailed references.

Cheers!

Modified
In the meantime before my detailed explanations, I’d like you (as well as anyone else interested) to ponder the following questions:

(1) From whom/where did the idea originate that Oduduwa is from the ‘Near East’ (Mecca, Egypt, Sudan, etc.) ??

(2) From whom/where did the idea originate that the autochthonous Ijebu settlers are from Wadai in Sudan ??

Cheers!

Cc: forgiveness, SMBH

Honestly, I will appreciate full details and proofs from you in regards to all these subjects. Thanks

TAO11:
Sure, no problem. I’m taking my time to deal with the subject in good details.

Yes he didn’t. None of those places. He is a indigenous Yoruba man.

The Yoruba traditional narratives agree with this position.

The present-day consensus of professional historical scholarship agrees with this position.

Go ahead and re-visit that comment one more time for some “proofs”.

But be rest assured that I will further discuss this too with detailed references.

Cheers!

Modified
In the meantime before my detailed explanations, I’d like you (as well as anyone else interested) to ponder the following questions:

(1) From whom/where did the idea originate that Oduduwa is from the ‘Near East’ (Mecca, Egypt, Sudan, etc.) ??

(2) From whom/where did the idea originate that the autochthonous Ijebu settlers are from Wadai in Sudan ??

Cheers!

Cc: forgiveness, SMBH

Ok then. Take your time and deal well with the subject.

What I know is that people migrated to Ile ife . What I don't know is where they migrated from.

Anyway, will be expecting your explanation.

However, I don't know number one but number 2 was confirmed by Awujale himself.

TAO11:
Awesome; and you’re welcome.

Just a quick one:
(1) I am aware that I’m still owing you a reply on the Ijebu subgroup.

I have discussed the subject in some good details in another thread.

I’d find the thread and mention you with the link when I’m more organized. I should add some background too.

(2) Furthermore, feel free to use the appellation “Omo Oodua”. No, Oduduwa isn’t some Middle-Easterner as popularly thought.

That’s another popular fiction which is in fact traced to Sultan Bello’s writings of the early 1800s.

He didn’t obtain any such information from the Yorubas themselves. And the Yorubas never originally had any such tradition about Oduduwa.

Instead, his story later came to influence many later writings and stories on the roots of Oduduwa, the roots of the Ijebus, the roots of the Bins, etc.

Everyone thus suddenly began to look Middle-Eastward for the roots of some of the most important personages in the history of their civilization.

Since the mid/late-1900s however, historians began to abandon his stories (as is to be expected), and focused instead on what Yoruba traditions originally say about the roots of the historical Oduduwa.

On the basis of Yoruba traditions, historians of African and Yoruba history have now come to the most logical conclusion on the roots of the historical Oduduwa.

The Yoruba traditions insist ab-initio that Oduduwa’s roots is to be found in one of the hilly-settlements surrounding the Ife bowl.

Historians are now generally agreed (on the basis of internal evidence) that Oduduwa’s roots is indigenous to Yorubaland — the hilly-settlements around the Ife bowl.

In fact, some scholars like Professor S. Adebanji Akintoye are actually more emphatic and specific (rather than generic) in their conclusion.

From his examination of the indigenous narrative, he reached the conclusion (via a consistent and sound argument) that Oduduwa’s root is not only indigenous. He noted that his predecessors had in fact came down to settle in the Ife bowl before Oduduwa himself would be born.

His specific conclusion from a careful and thorough analysis of the traditions notes that “Oduduwa was born in the strangers’ area of Ife to leaders of a small group that had relocated from one of the hills beyond the elu at Ife, that he grew up in the tradition of resentment in the strangers’ area, and that his youth and Obatala’s youth (both of them “sons of the soil” ) were spent in the tradition of growing conflicts in Ife.”

I have discussed this subject too in some good details in some threads. I’d mention you with a link when I find one of such threads.

Oduduwa is our father oo. History remembers him for having played a very, very significant and pivotal role in a critical era of our history (from the late 10th century AD) vis-a-via a great transformation of our civilization.

Cheers!

I will appreciate your reply on the Ijebu subgroup.

Are you saying Oduduwa didn't come from Sudan or Mecca?

Are there proofs to back it up?

TAO11:
Lol! All na our generic name — be it “Yoruba”, or “[O]lukumi”, or “Aku”, or “[A]nago”.

However, rather than being a group name; “omoluwabi” is actually an ideal standard which each and every Yoruba child/person is naturally expected to exhibit.

In that case, anyone (Yoruba or non-Yoruba) may be described by the Yorubas as an “omoluwabi”.

If anyone (Yoruba or non-Yoruba) does something impressively virtuous, a Yoruba may say something like: “Omo yen se omoluwabi”.

Although, I agree that we like to think of ourself as the standard.
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Omoluwabi

omo o li uwa ìbí

omo o ni iwa ibi
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omo: [the]child/person/one

o ni: who has

iwa: [virtuous]character

ìbí: [noble]birth

Omoluwabi: The one whose virtuous character is due to their honorable background.

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PS:
(1) The word “uwa” here is an archaic Yoruba form for the more common “iwa”.

(2) This “uwa” here is not the same “uwa” as seen in “alaiyeluwa” or in Ijebu names such as “Gbelegbuwa”, etc.

(3) This “uwa” is simply the same as the more common “iwa”.

(4) And it itself (i.e. “uwa” = “iwa” ) has two different meanings (viz. “character” or “existence” ) only one of which applies here.

Cheers.

Yeah! I know Omoluabi is no a group name but I just think it should be ara Omoluabi or Ile Omoluabi as a group or nation name instead of Omo Odua.


Thanks. I appreciate.

TAO11:
Lol. No it doesn’t.

Neither does “Hausa” have any meaning in our language even though we have our pronunciation of their name, viz. “Awúsá”.

Some Yorubas may mischievously say we gave the Hausa people their name from ’walnuts’. But that’s also not true.

Awùsá (the Yoruba word for ’walnut’) is an entirely different word from Awúsá (which is merely our pronunciation of “Hausa” ).

It’s all a matter of the most continent articulation of a foreign word.

Awúsá or (Hausa) has no meaning in our language — just as Yarriba, Yarba, Yaruba (or Yoruba) have no meaning in their language.

It’s all about the convenient pronunciation of foreign words. And the evidence have resoundingly affirmed this.

What a relief. I was thinking of change of identity from Yoruba to Omoluabi or lucumi. Now, I am at peace.

Thanks

TAO11:
(1) Lol. ”Yarriba” actually have no meaning in Hausa or Arabic languages.

It’s simply the pronunciation of the name “Yoruba” that goes easiest for not only the Hausa-Fulanis’ tongue but also the Arabs’.

The independent references to Captain Clapperton and Rev. Crowther have demonstrated this.

Many culture have their convenient way of pronouncing words foreign to their tongue— sometimes altering said words 100%.

Growing up, I recall the following as the general Yoruba pronunciation of these foreign words:

(1) “Hausa” is “Awúsá”

(2) “Igbo” is “Yíbò” [a certain early European’s pronunciation actually had it as “Abo”].

(3)“Nupe” is “Tápà” [complete alteration, lol)]; etc.

The Igbos of then (at least those in my precincts) generally pronounced the name “Yoruba” as “Yo.ro.ba”.

All these have absolutely nothing to do with being responsible for giving these peoples their names.

It’s simply a matter of the convinient pronunciation that was generally adopted by their tongue in articulating a word foreign to it.

(2) And on the reference to Hubert Ogunde’s “oriki” of the name “Yoruba”.

It’s actually not an oriki per se (if I’m recalling the same thing you’re referring to). Neither was he attempting an etymology of the name.

He was simply making an onomatopoeic rhythm (that practically gels with the reality of the time and even of today) out of the syllables of the name “Yoruba”.

His lines went as follows:

“ Yoruba yo-yo-yo bi ina ale; Yoruba ru-ru-ru bi omi okun; Yoruba ba-ba ni Baba won; yoooo yoo yo, Yoruba roooo nu ooo ”.

Cheers!

You mean Yoruba has no meaning in Hausa and Arabic languages?

I thought Yoruba means bastard.

Anyway, I will go with the facts on ground. Thanks

Okay. I understand the bolded now.