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vankelvin:
This ranking is funny

Seychelles
Mauritius
Botswana
South Africa
Namibia
Zimbabwe
Tunisia
Algeria
Cape Verde
Morocco
Egypt etc

Who do we believe now . Anyway, one thing is clear, the Southern African countries are up there, but out of 206 million people, Nigeria has only about 100 million people above 18, so these bodies should also take into consideration the % of those who can own cars (18 and above) rather than the entire population.

dankorode:
this our foreign coach is something else. I have no confidence in him.

Me too.

jl115:
Nice blog

But here is the actual facts(World Bank):

Cars per 1000 people:
1. Mauritius 192
2. Botswana 177
3. South Africa 174
4. Algeria 153
5. Egypt 109
6. Namibia 106
7. Eswatini 89
8. Kenya 70
9. Nigeria 64
10. Zimbabwe 60

Okay then, we can throw away the blog. But here is another list I got, so I'd appreciate if you post the link to the World Bank. Here Nigeria is number 12 in subsaharan Africa, South Africa no 4 and Kenya no 18.

South Africa...4th
Nigeria....12th
Kenya...18th

http://mecometer.com/topic/vehicles-per-thousand-people/

rvp2018:
We have post office addresses - by Kenya Post Offices Corp - they have offices all over - with your rental box.
What we dont have is addresses in every house or plot.
Like in developed countries....where every house has a little box
In Kenya you will go the nearest post office - your market center - open your box - and close it.

Okay

rvp2018:
You're truly behind,
We have had a national ID since forever.
Every SIM in Kenya must be registered.
What we only lack are addresses -

You have no addresses in Kenya?

rvp2018:
Make it work in Ghana too.

Credit system is not good.

rvp2018:
That is arguable debate - but to elevate Nigeria and South Africa at same level - is pure madness.
South Africa on a good year can buy 0.5M new cars.
You can argue like we Kenyans do - that in decade or so - we may get to South Africa level if they get stuck in their current morass
But to argue that Kenya or Nigeria or Ghana are NOW (in year of 2022) at South Africa current level would make you clinically insane.

Top 10 African Countries in Car-to-Population Ratio
Where are motorists hitting the road the most? Read below to find out.

Liberia
Nigeria
South Africa
Egypt
Morocco
Tunisia
Ghana
Kenya
Tanzania
Mauritania

https://blog.beforward.jp/regional-topics/africa/cars-capita-africa-country-cars-road.html#Liberia

rvp2018:
You're now on the right track.
Compete with Rwanda...Not South Africa

Now let's look into Kenya, shall we?

In October 2021 Kenya’s market kept falling in double-digits after reporting a 32.7% decrease in the previous month, and reports 371 units sold (-34.8%), leading Year to Date sales at 4,425 units, a 17.2% increase in sales compared to 2020. Compared to pre-pandemic levels the market is still not effectively recovered, with sales decreasing by 45% with respect to the same month in 2019.

https://www.focus2move.com/kenyan-vehicles-sales/

Kenyans in the house, congratulation on this. These are what we want to see, not 10km road construction or stuff like that.

New 140 Bed AAR Hospital in Nairobi Kenya 2021 (credit : African facts Zone)

rvp2018:
As always the refuge of a scoundrel is adhominem attacks
Why would I lie and misrepresent data that is easy to verify in the internet era.
https://nairametrics.com/2018/05/15/vw-anticipates-recovery-in-nigerian-sales/
Volkswagen expects higher sales in Rwanda than Nigeria
For its Nigerian market, the company expects to assemble about a 100 cars this year . Volkswagen sold just 40 units last year. Automobile sales took a sharp hit in the last two years due to the recession and depreciation of the Naira which led to a sharp increase in cost prices of cars, especially brand new.

Why Nigeria is playing a smaller role

One would expect that Volkswagen would be more bullish on Nigeria due to its much larger population (over 160 million compared to Rwanda’s 11 million). The East African country, however, fares better on a macroeconomic level.

Real GDP growth for Rwanda is put at 8.2% in 2018 compared to Nigeria’s forecast growth of 2.1%. Real GDP growth is GDP adjusted for inflation. Higher growth means more people are likely to purchase cars.

Volkswagen was founded on the 28th of May 1937 by the German Labour Front. Fondly known as VW, it is the flagship brand of the Volkswagen Group one of the biggest automobile firms by sales in the world. Revenues for the 2017 financial year hit a record high of $264 billion.

Continued from last post:

Now let's take a look at how Volkswagen eventually fared in your beloved Rwanda.

In September 2021 Rwanda’s market kept remained almost flat after a 20% decrease in sales the previous month, and reports 63 units sold (+1.6%), leading Year to Date sales at 543 units, a 14.8% increase in sales compared to 2020. Compared to pre-pandemic levels the market is not completely recovered yet, in fact, with respect to September 2019 sales are down 3.1%.

Brand-wise, the leader Toyota is gaining 42.8% in the leaderboard YTD and holds 51% share, followed by Volkswagen, which reported the worst performance by falling 58.6% and by Mitsubishi, gaining 25%.

Nigerian Market 2021

In August 2021 Nigeria’s market keeps growing after a 36.9% increase in the previous month, and reports 900 units sold (+44%), leading Year to Date sales at 7,250 units, a 25.2% increase in sales compared to 2020. Compared to pre-pandemic levels the market is recovered extremely effectively, increasing sales by 62.7% with respect to the same month in 2019.

Brand-wise, Toyota remains on the top of the leaderboard and reports a 15.3% increase in sales YTD while holding 17.9% market share, followed by Ford , increasing sales by 30.5%. Volkswagen reported the best increase in sales by rising 71.6%.

https://www.focus2move.com/nigerian-cars-market/#:~:text=In%202021%20the%20year%20started,a%2036.9%25%20increase%20in%20sales.

https://www.focus2move.com/rwanda-cars-sales/

rvp2018:
As always the refuge of a scoundrel is adhominem attacks
Why would I lie and misrepresent data that is easy to verify in the internet era.
https://nairametrics.com/2018/05/15/vw-anticipates-recovery-in-nigerian-sales/
Volkswagen expects higher sales in Rwanda than Nigeria
For its Nigerian market, the company expects to assemble about a 100 cars this year . Volkswagen sold just 40 units last year. Automobile sales took a sharp hit in the last two years due to the recession and depreciation of the Naira which led to a sharp increase in cost prices of cars, especially brand new.

Why Nigeria is playing a smaller role

One would expect that Volkswagen would be more bullish on Nigeria due to its much larger population (over 160 million compared to Rwanda’s 11 million). The East African country, however, fares better on a macroeconomic level.

Real GDP growth for Rwanda is put at 8.2% in 2018 compared to Nigeria’s forecast growth of 2.1%. Real GDP growth is GDP adjusted for inflation. Higher growth means more people are likely to purchase cars.

Volkswagen was founded on the 28th of May 1937 by the German Labour Front. Fondly known as VW, it is the flagship brand of the Volkswagen Group one of the biggest automobile firms by sales in the world. Revenues for the 2017 financial year hit a record high of $264 billion.

See what I'm saying? You are too selective with data. You read one article that says Volkswagen may make it big in Rwanda, and then you conclude that Rwandan economy is doing better than Nigeria? (what an insult). Why not say Volkswagen are not amongst the favourites? When I asked for data, I was asking for wholistic data of all facts and figures concerning the number of cars imported or assembled in Nigeria not projections from Volkswagen on how they think they would do well in Rwanda over Nigeria. I asked for something like this:

The Nigerian market has become the most sought after for car makers on the continent because of its huge market potentials. Sadly, the lack of good road network and low purchasing power caused by the recent economic contraction has impacted negatively on the volume of sales in recent times.
In the past, there were very few established car brands in the country and only a certain class of people were able to afford them.  Over time, a lot has changed as there are now lots of car brands in the Nigerian market, with every individual who earns a decent income left with the opportunity to purchase a car.
On this week’s edition of Product Review, a weekly article where we feature products contending for prominence in Nigeria’s Red Ocean consumer market, we bring to you the various brands in the automobile market and how they are competing for visibility and profitability.

In the past, brands like Peugeot and Volkswagen were among the big players in the Nigerian market. However, Peugeot Automobile Nigeria (PAN), assemblers of the Peugeot brand in Nigeria, incorporated on December 15, 1972, ran into stormy waters after series of policy somersaults by the Nigerian Government (its major customer) and inadequate tariff protection for local assembly plants.
Laden with a huge debt of ₦30 billion by 2011 and no prospect of a private investor willing to risk his money in turning it around, the Asset Management Company of Nigeria (AMCON) acquired a controlling 80% shareholding and assumed board and management control in 2012. In 2016, AMCON invited prospective investors to bid for its 80% percent stake in Peugeot Automobile Nigeria.

There are, however, reports that Africa’s richest man, Aliko Dangote, may be expanding his business frontier into car assembly business. Recently the Dangote Group was granted a franchise by the Peugeot of France Groupe to construct and operate an assembly plant in Nigeria.
The Volkswagen brand has also been unable to produce that ‘spark’ that made it the brand of choice in the 80s and early 90s. Its famous Beetle model has since died a natural death with the advent of sleek and trendy brands.

In a Twitter poll conducted by Nairametrics, Mercedes Benz got 52%, closely followed by Toyota with 41%, Honda and Kia got 5% and 2% respectively. Regular upgrades, better features, and motor components also make this brand (Mercedes brand) popular among motorists.

Some facts and figures
According to the data released by the NBS last year, Nigeria has a total of 11,547,236 motor vehicles in the country, recording a 0.78% growth from the 11,458,370 vehicle population reported in the first quarter of 2017. This means, a total of 88,886 vehicles were bought between March 2017 and September 2017.
Private vehicle data in the country currently stands at about 4,656,725 or 40.33% of total vehicle population. The data also reveals that Nigeria has a total of 6,749,461 commercial vehicles which is about 58.4% of total vehicle population in the country.
With an estimated population of 193.3 million, the data suggests that the total number of Nigerians available to one vehicle is 16.75. In terms of vehicles per 1000 Nigerians, it comes to about 59.7.


https://nairametrics.com/2018/09/27/car-brands-in-the-nigerian-market/

rvp2018:
Only an unhinged dum-dum can wake up and argue that South Africa is at same level with Nigeria or Ghana or Kenya.
South Africa, Namibia, and Botswana are at the same level with Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt.
Those are upper middle income countries or just middle income countries.

Even if it's patriotism - please some things are VERY obvious.

Just aim to get to South Africa level in the next 50yrs (looking unlikely) - Kenya is aiming to get there in 15yrs (very likely). That is ARGUABLE.

Meanwhile South Africa should aim to get to developed world - or high income countries like Mauritius just recently did.

Where did you get your data from on the cars in Nigeria and South Africa? because I know you misrepresent data and articles sometimes.

Schemerkhiz:
Onyinyechi Zogg is currently based in Germany playing for Turbine Portdam FC, one of the German top club .. Former UEFA Women's Champions League and Frauen Bundesliga winner... It's a great club for her to improve more...

Yeah it seems most of our Nigerian male fans just want to see beautiful Zogg on the pitch, many don't even ask about her improvement . Patricia George is the one they should be asking about more, but nah .

rvp2018:
They are unequal but they are middle class. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Dont delude yourself. South African primary teacher drives a brand new VW polo car. Nigeria - the whole 210M people - only 32 can manage to buy brand new VW polo in a year. South African do not buy used cars...they buy almost half a million new cars.

Nigerians are daily emigrating to South Africa because it's middle class country. They have serious racial inequality - unemployment - but it still a decent - country by African standards.

Or in few words Nigeria will get to South Africa current level in 2070 if they work really hard. Kenya maybe 2035.

South Africa problem is to get to developed world standard - Europe/South Asian/North American standards - where poverty/unemployment/etc are rare. They are likely to stay in the middle class rut unless ANC decides to take them Zim way to find their base...and re-start again.

They are unequal but they are middle class. Those two are not mutually exclusive. Dont delude yourself. South African primary teacher drives a brand new VW polo car. Nigeria - the whole 210M people - only 32 can manage to buy brand new VW polo in a year. South African do not buy used cars...they buy almost half a million new cars.

I don't know where you get your data from but why are you celebrating the import of a VW Polo Car when at this stage we as Africans should be celebrating our own assembled or manufactured cars?

Nigerians are daily emigrating to South Africa because it's middle class country. They have serious racial inequality - unemployment - but it still a decent - country by African standards.

Nigerians are more in Cameroon 5 times over than they are in South Africa especially in Limbe where they engage in all forms of spare part businesses with their little shops all around. Emigration is a thing of culture sometimes and not always about poverty because even many educated or enlightened Nigerian Northerners or Middle belters are on average not interested in travelling in comparison to Southern Nigeria, not necessarily because they are richer than Southern Nigerians.

The rest of your tantrums are just gibberish.

Schemerkhiz:
Ifeoma Onumonu
Esther Okoronkwo
Uchenna Kanu
Fransisca Ordega



Are the top forwards available for the return leg in Ivory Coast...

Monday Gift, Vivian Ikechukwu etc



Christy Ucheibe also available in Midfield....

I would love to see both Vivian Ikechuckwu, Peace Effih, or Regina Otu play.

rvp2018:
Pretty close....Kenya may overtake Morroco this year or next year - to become 5th Largest economy in Africa. Next Algeria. Then Nigeria (or formally South Africa)

Overtaking Morocco would be great but Nigeria, South Africa, and Egypt have always been amongst the top three economies in Africa for more than 3 decades now even though the others below them have always fluctuated. Beat Morocco first, but it would be a huge leap to beat Algeria in the next five years, because unlike Morocco, the Algerians are heavy on resources especially oil and gas. If Kenyan economy topples that of Algeria in the next 5 years, you would truly earn my respect.

AndSunGorilla:
Alright!!!!! The commentators were worse than abysmal, really maybe you should partner with the NFF to run the commentary angle for them.

Exactly.

BascoVanVeli:

Aaallright!

isan:
Even 2016 was tough

In 2016 our opponents didn't dominate us in those games except in the last game against Cameroon.

JohnBullMySon:
So, with this statement, you can comfortably bet your girlfriend that Senegal will beat Nigeria any day anytime since they are ranked higher

Female football is coming up but our records and standard in Africa would still send shivers down the bones of any team we meet in Africa at the moment. Superfalcons are 11 time African champions with some of the best players from the continent still. You are comparing apples with oranges here.

JohnBullMySon:
Rohr factor might be making him eager to blast the coach. But the result was okay. He has defeated Ghana and CIV. Top ranked teams. Not bad at all.

They are top ranked teams but we are still the best team in Africa hence the coach should make the girls organized ahead of the second leg. We should be beating Ivory coast and Ghana of course.

do4luv14:
If you mean Thomas no, he resigned to coach in India

Yeah my point is that he left just before the game against Coted'Ivore.

JohnBullMySon:
The former coach lost to CIV, removing us from 2020 olyimpic qualifiers. Waldrum won his game 2 nil but yet you are not satisfied

I think the former coach was sacked before that game.

solonnachi:
Update please

Tunisia 5 Equatorial Guinea 0
Cameroon 8 Gambia 0
Zimbabwe 1 Botswana 3
Southafrica 2 Algeria 0
Nigeria 2 CIV 0

AndSunGorilla:
abeg who score our goal o.

Onumonu scored both. The U.S league is definitely one of the best if not the best.

do4luv14:
is Swart still with them

Didn't see her in starting line up.

justicechichex:
Who scored for the super falcons?

Onumonu, set up by Esther.

do4luv14:
guy you watch South Africa match

I watch second half.

Live Updates

Tunisia 3 Equatorial Guinea 0 (ongoing)
South Africa 2 Algeria 0 (90 mins)
Cameroon 2 Gabon 0 (ongoing)

jl115:
why you changing my posts? I said Pakistan has a larger GDP.... Although in 2021 it also has a larger GDP per capita

And no it's not they have a larger GDPppp

Okay you mean GDP ppp, next time make it clear you are talking of ppp. Egypt has the highest ppp in Africa though but they are about half the population of Nigeria.

koolaid87:
To comment on this thread, make sure you've at least traveled to one developed country.

Then let's hear your opinion.

Alot of folks who can't even get a visa are here talking nonsense

What if I'm currently in Togo, am I permitted to speak? At least I better pass those ones wen neva comot Oshogbo.

theenchanter:
calm down, he only pointed ur mumuism to u.

this thread is so funny. Everyone attacking each other left, right, and center.