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Gabrielshow24:
You should be asking yourself these questions because a supposedly educated person would have understood God's concept of transcendency 😂instead you continue to ask mundane questions about it🤨. It seriously casts aspersions on your educational background.

Pls tell us, is God above all in any limits?🤨

you can't tell the difference between God being above all limits, above all things and your god rising beyond all limits, so your god was struggling and overcame limitations, no wonder you believe Jesus is your god.

oridavid:
I don't see how that connects to the topic at hand.

do you need to see that before you answer?

oridavid:
This is not Jesus's world. This is the first Adam's world.

But in the new world where Jesus is the Adam, he'll train animals to behave better and all the chaos and selfishness that we see in the animal kingdom will cease.

I think you should focus on the word "train" and not conflate it with "teach."

Jesus the "Adam" of the new world, my question oridavid is he God?

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

chiedu emperorisaac

oridavid:
Many assume Satan was once an angel, but the Bible never explicitly states this. While popular tradition teaches that he is a fallen angel, Scripture only implies it indirectly—never with clear, direct language.

1. No Verse really Calls Satan an Angel
The Bible mentions angels thousands of times and Satan dozens of times, yet nowhere does it say, "Satan was an angel." Even in Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan leads rebellious angels, he is called a "dragon" and "devil"—not an angel.

2. Ezekiel 28’s "Cherub" is Symbolic
Ezekiel 28 describes a glorious "guardian cherub" who fell, but this is directed at the “human king” (v. 12). Linking it to Satan is traditional, not a direct biblical statement.

3. Isaiah 14’s "Morning Star" Refers to a King
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of a proud ruler (the king of Babylon) cast down—not Satan. The name "Lucifer" comes from Latin translation, not the original Hebrew.

4. Fallen Angels ≠ Satan
Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 mention angels who sinned, but Satan is never included in those groups.
Conclusion: Tradition, Not Scripture
The belief that Satan was an angel comes from later theology, not the Bible itself. Scripture describes Satan as an adversary, tempter, and ruler of this world—but never as a fallen angel.
If we continue to believe Satan is an angel, the Bible simply doesn’t support it.

lol I literally have a thread asking people where it states that Satan was a choir leader and recently told one of them that the Bible never called Satan an angel

Gabrielshow24:
You continue to misunderstand and misapply the concept of God's transcendence, which describes God's existence as being outside and beyond the material universe and human understanding, not originating from a prior point or transcending something specific in a physical sense. Instead, it's a fundamental aspect of divine nature, asserting God's infinite, eternal, and self-existing essence in contrast to creation's finite and dependent nature. 😂

When applied to God, "transcendence" is not about a physical journey from one point to another. It describes God's inherent being as distinct from, and not limited by, the created universe—The concept of transcendence doesn't ask for a point of origin or an object that God moved beyond. God, in His nature, is already beyond all created things🤷.

If you can't understand this simple thing😂, then you need to go back to sunday school.
No, christian will say God is not transcendent🤨

Cc: gollf

misapply? If they ask you if I was the one that refered to God as a transcendent you will start writing long irrelevant stories.

Sorry to ask but are you educated? If you are not, I understand but you have you calm down and understand what exactly it is you are reading and writing, or at least crosscheck it.

Emusan:
Kai see logic

Is this how every words derive their meanings

See person who is claiming to be more knowledgeable

it's not that information is not available, even if we go from google to ai, some will still love and prefer ignorance.

Transcendence refers to the state of rising above or going beyond ordinary limits, whether physical, material, or mental.

Chiedu7 listen or read carefully Isaiah never called Lucifer or helel a morning star, the term he would have used if he did like was used in Job 38:7 is stars and that's why when Isaiah then mentions the angels in verse 13 he uses the term kokab, lekokab el, the stars of God, who obviously were above him

You can choose to continue to believe in fables, fairytales and fantasies or believe what is actually written

Now he was an anointed cherub whose job was to cover or protect something, which was likely a sacred place, like Ezekiel mentioned in chapter 28:14 & 16

Gabrielshow24:
Wisdom is not common 😂.
You definitely are not a Christian! Everyone should note that gohf's god is not transcendental 😂.

God's transcendence means that God is distinct from, superior to, and independent of the created universe, existing beyond its limitations of space, time, and understanding.

Pls, work on your understanding before exposing yourself like this...just bad🥱.

Before we talk about wisdom let's talk about ignorance, yours in this case

Transcendence comes from the Latin prefix trans-, meaning "beyond," and the word scandare, meaning "to climb." When you achieve transcendence, you have gone beyond ordinary limitations.


If one lacks knowledge, proper knowledge and know what is true and right, how can they be wise?

Where did God transcend from, who did He transcend? There has not been an answer to those who claimed their God is transcendental till date.

Let me simplify the question, where did your God climb out from?

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When I said it in this post https://www.nairaland.com/8509508/god-human-form#136639639
that this guy is teaching people to become gods, some Angela dude was telling me I should leave God to judge. Lol as if I wasn't leaving God to judge and God will judge, according to the truth He has revealed.

Here again he is telling you you where created to act and speak like God, better go and check what happened to that being that tried it and got thrown down to hell

FxMasterz:
Who did Boaz redeem?

Leviticus 25 says a kinsman can redeem his kinsman. Boaz did that with cash. It's a custom in Israel according to the law. Boaz didn't redeem humanity. Jesus did. He did that without cash.

By the way, is it only the Redeemer side of the post that you have issues with? You need to raise issues with all the single items raised on all three threads to dismantle the Divnity of Christ.

Again, God and Christ are designated Redeemer, not Redeemers of mankind. Who then is Jesus?

bro when I did that previously you ignored the post.

ocnovakmichael:
Please share this article to friends and family

I should share to others that the holy Spirit comes through fasting and if the holy Spirit is fading they should fast abi?

GodisStriking:
Yes of course, Martin Luther King Jr was an occultist and a member of a university cult called Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity. Information about them and their hazing or cult initiation practices can be found here:

https://www.nairaland.com/8108059/they.dont-just-kneel-sex-before


White Supremacy is a pagan Idolatry religion. The British Empire during its colonial period established Freemasonry lodges everywhere that permitted those who wanted to be influential puppets gain positions by swearing an oath to the Devil. The selling of one's soul is giving up one's essence which are their beliefs, values and principles. The article I created shows what various professional cults of Freemasonry formed at universities do to become members. Majority of if not all cults formed at Nigerian universities are apart of the heirarcical structure of White supremacy. The founders are Catholics which is not really Catholic but the Church of Atheism.

https://www.nairaland.com/8108059/they.dont-just-kneel-sex-before

thanks for the response 👍

Rev.2.24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): (NIV)

FxMasterz:
No need to argue with you. You left off all that was said in the opening thread to dwell on frivolities.

We'll, here's more for you:

Are there two Rocks?

God as the Rock

Deuteronomy 32:4 – “He is the Rock, His work is perfect: for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.”

Psalm 18:31 – “For who is God save the LORD? Or who is a Rock save our God?”
Christ as the Rock

1 Corinthians 10:4 – “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

1 Peter 2:7-8 – “The stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a Rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word...”

Question: Are there two Rocks upholding Israel and the Church, or is this one eternal Rock revealed as both Yahweh and Christ?

Are there two Redeemers?

God as Redeemer
Isaiah 44:6 – “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

Isaiah 49:26 – “And all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”

Christ as Redeemer

Galatians 3:13 – “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us...”

Titus 2:13-14 – “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity...”

Revelation 5:9 – “...for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

Question: If Jehovah alone is the Redeemer, and Christ is also called our Redeemer, are there two redeemers—or is this one God who redeems in the person of the Son?

Janosky, gohf, truthseeker10

Brenbentondiaz is right, you manipulate scriptures but nevertheless Boaz isn't he also a Redeemer according to the book of Ruth especially chapter 4. But does that make Boaz God or a God?

2Tim.2.23 Again I say, don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. (NLT)

GodisStriking:
Sometimes sacrifice is the price for influence.

wow you believe Martin Luther to have been a cultists, care to share more on your take on this

GodisStriking:
I point them out so that you can see those who are onboard with white supremacy idolatry. Not all white people are white supremacists even some refusing to be Freemasons, join secret societies or lie that Jesus was white. But Jesus is certainly not a black man and the Abrahamic Faiths are not of Africa. It would seem there's not enough power in the traditional witchcraft so some Africans are turning white Anglo Saxon cultism of Freemasonry.


If Jesus wasn't taken out his role as a Messiah and made into a Deity then those people who are obviously pagans wouldn't claim him. Neither would they claim to be Jews if the laws of God were enforced. It is only that people can defy God is what makes them mock Him. They foolishly believe that no punishment is coming.

hmm, I think I came to this section to find and read this

Jashub:
Oga, everything includes angels ( this includes Lucifer too). Or how else would the world everything be define ?

Kindly go back to the book of genesis chapters 1 and 2 and see it. Also see Ezekiel 28.

Secondly , God is good; no evil can be found in Him. But the choice to choose to become evil (rebellion) is a decision that is left to the creation(Lucifer) , not the creator(God).

did you understand what I wrote? Yes or no?

Jashub:
According to the bible , God created everything perfect but the choice to remain in perfection is the choice of the creation not the creator.

let's dial down a bit we are not discussing "everything" but a specific being in question of which I asked you a clear specific question of which you are likely misquoting where it says God SAW that what he MADE was good.
Because we know when God created everything it wasn't, the earth was dark void empty...

Now I asked you, "are you saying God created him to be perfectly good or perfectly evil?"

DeepSight:
How would you know the command is from God?

by knowing who God is and His actual word

Jashub:
You forget God created all beings (angels and humans) to be free-moral agents . So that means the devil(aka Lucifer) had a choice , even though he was made perfect

again, neither did it say he was made perfect
Or are you saying God created him to be perfectly good or perfectly evil?

Jashub:
I believe Lucifer (aka Satan ) was worshipper because from Ezekiel 28:13 , he is described as having instruments attached to his being. This could be seen as a sort of musician or lead chorister

that verse depends on the translation as KJV and NKJV give it that kind of meaning
Ezek.28.13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. (NIV)

Now let's say he was made with pipe and musical instruments the issue is did he use them to praise and worship God. We assume he did till he became proud and arrogant, but do you notice that he was perfect in his own ways and not in the ways of God. His own ways led him to iniquity.

Oh are we to say it is possible for one to be perfect in God's ways and end up having iniquity in them?

kernniejay:
You also forgot that everybody is holy on Sundays including husband that beat their wife, bosses that owe their workers salary and treat them like slaves, landlords that values his rent and property above God even politicians that embezzle the future of their people and prostitutes that just woke up from brothels.

lol they don't know we cannot package into heaven

Lukuluku69:
[James 2:1-26 (KJV) My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Here's a perfect verse where there's no need for extra not too much talk needed, we either believe and accept it or we reject it and look for what pleases us to hear

FxMasterz:
Final Question

If Father and Son both share titles, worship, and attributes that cannot be duplicated (King of kings, Lord of lords, Creator, Savior, Fountain of Life, Shepherd, Judge, then non-Trinitarians must answer:

Are there two gods—or is the mystery of the Trinity the only way to resolve this divine unity?

Anything else is not monotheism. It is nothing short of paganism.

CC: TenQ, Ken4Christ, Gabrielshow24, Image123, Emusan, DoWhatThouWilt, SarcasticWords, FreeIgboho, Janosky

too tired to respond piece by piece to what you wrote but so you believe that a mystery not a revelation, a mystery resolves some misunderstood you quoted?

Lol as if God did not appoint judges and raise up saviors and anoint kings 🤣😂

When did sharing a title mean there was another God besides God, even God apointing Moses to be God to Pharaoh did not make Moses God not a God but a representative of God.

Lol shared titles, na why them no call Jesus God repeatedly 🤣🤣, it's because God is not a title but a person YhVH ✌(◕‿-)✌

paxonel:
You are repeating the same thing in various ways of saying it.

Accepting and believing in Jesus, desiring to please God, desiring to be in his presence, desiring to be filled with the holy spirit, consistently worshipping God in spirit and in truth, are all one and the same unnecessary repetitions

ITK they are not one and the same, funny enough even if they were what's the problem with NECESSARY repetitions? Was this your post even necessary?

Lol and it makes front page, 😂 like there is no other thread in Christian section to share first

FxMasterz:
I have given you an elaborate answer in my answer to Pulsingpurple. But, let me make this little addition here.


Jesus came as Both man and God. He manifests both sides without mixing them up.

so you are saying Jesus was two persons in one 😏

BlackViper:
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all this to make front page for what gain?