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Jashub:
I do not completely agree with this because in scripture there is evidence of children suffering for the transgressions of parents. Examples would

1. Gehazi
2. Hezekiah

please share this "evidence" and "examples" you have and let us check if those children walked in the way of the LORD

Helinuse:
Now read what you have posted again and tell me: did you ever see Jesus groan out with his mouth , making sounds?


You mustn’t defend everything. You don’t know everything.

That your men of God teaches it, doesn’t make it right.

The Bible refers to it as groanings of “THE SPIRIT.”

fiaaaa…..una turn am into drama.

lol I just quoted three scriptures and it is "you don't know everything"

Oya you that "know everything" tells us Jesus did not groan and how John knew he was groaning so that we can learn from your all knowingness

Helinuse:
There’s nothing like praying and groanings with deep sighs.

Once your groanings are uttered, then it has no business with Romans 8:26.

More so, are you the Spirit to do the groanings? When did the apostles or Jesus himself ever do any groaning?

Heb.5.7 During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

John.11.33 Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.

1Cor.14.18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.

Before you argue with the doctrines of men, read what God revealed even in the old testament that was weaker than the new

From Ezek.18.14 -
"But suppose that sinful son, in turn, has a son who sees his father's wickedness but decides against that kind of life. Suppose this son refuses to worship idols on the mountains, does not commit adultery, and does not exploit the poor, but instead is fair to debtors and does not rob them. And suppose this son feeds the hungry, provides clothes for the needy, helps the poor, does not lend money at interest, and obeys all my regulations and laws. Such a person will not die because of his father's sins; he will surely live.

But the father will die for the many sins he committed--for being cruel and robbing close relatives, doing what was clearly wrong among his people.
" `What?' you ask. `Doesn't the child pay for the parent's sins?' No! For if the child does what is right and keeps my laws, that child will surely live.
The one who sins is the one who dies. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own goodness, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.
But if wicked people turn away from all their sins and begin to obey my laws and do what is just and right, they will surely live and not die.
All their past sins will be forgotten, and they will live because of the righteous things they have done.

"Do you think, asks the Sovereign LORD, that I like to see wicked people die? Of course not! I only want them to turn from their wicked ways and live.
However, if righteous people turn to sinful ways and start acting like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their previous goodness will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins.


“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust? “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live! Ezekiel 18: 25 - 32

Jesus didn't set you free to be punished for the sins of your father's house or your grandmother.
John.8.36 So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.

This is the gospel truth that has always existed from the beginning of time till the end

"Son of man, give your people this message: The good works of righteous people will not save them if they turn to sin, nor will the sins of evil people destroy them if they repent and turn from their sins.
When I tell righteous people that they will live, but then they sin, expecting their past righteousness to save them, then none of their good deeds will be remembered. I will destroy them for their sins.
And suppose I tell some wicked people that they will surely die, but then they turn from their sins and do what is just and right.
For instance, they might give back a borrower's pledge, return what they have stolen, and obey my life-giving laws, no longer doing what is evil. If they do this, then they will surely live and not die. None of their past sins will be brought up again, for they have done what is just and right, and they will surely live.
(Ezekiel 33:12-16)

Sadly many are not teaching repentance anymore but that believing in God is repentance. So what we get are many who claim to believe but don't change or repent from there ways

But really did you, did God speak to you about her or him in case you're the sister in this matter?
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‎Happy Sunday singles, now this shouldn't surprise you that many people dress up to church and go "shopping" for a wife. And that's a good thing because what better place to find a good spouse than the house of God, which presumably is where you attend.
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‎Now brothers, I am assuming sisters won't do this but just in case, and that bold spiritual sister as well, please don't do two things
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‎1. Just walk up to them and "prophesy" to them, like oh I had a dream about you or thus said the Lord (lol it could work say 0.1% rarity)
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‎Except you both were already pretty close or you have a solid plan to pick up from the confused bewildered look they would give to you, if they don't walk away immediately.
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‎2. Don't tell your spiritual leaders that you dreamt up a spouse and expect them to talk to that person for you. I mean it's good to tell a matured child of God that you had such a dream, but tell it expecting an advise and prayer and not a wing-pastor.
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‎Now if you see someone you like in church today, what do you do?
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‎First thing I want you to know is, the one and only benefit of having a vision is having a direction of whom to approach but you see the whole process of wooing and winning her(or him) is still the normal process of approaching and winning that child of God's heart.
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‎Look God will do for you what you can't do for yourself and He won't do for you what He has enabled you to do for yourself.
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‎Number 1. Approach her with the intention of being a friend, it doesn't have to be directly. Have friends in that church or if she is a worker, instead of jumping to join a department you may not be good in why not make friends in that department. (I am also assuming you are not one of those who don't know how to make friends in a church, because for them they would need a different kind of approach. Say you're new you still need patience, confirmation and knowledge which you can only get by associating with those around her. Ofcourse women love a confident man who can just walk up to her and ask her out, for that you actually have to know it she is even available for that, be prepared for the firm no and think of a place she a child of God would be willing to go. I tell you at times you may have to wait for a church event or special event to ask some out)
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‎Well if your dream didn't come with automatic instructions on her to approach her then prepare to do the manual hard job which might take longer than you excitedly expected.
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‎Oh before I forget do note the dream might also have been from the devil. And all that if she dresses like this or likes me too is a sign, well devil can pull those off as well, just saying. You having a dream doesn't mean you saw Mrs or Mr right. For all you know it could be a warning to AVOID that person.
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‎So how do you approach a church girl after church, a good church girl after church because we are assuming from afar that she (or he) is one. I think I should focus on the she, I mean approaching a he isn't usually the same.
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‎But before i continue, it would be nice to hear from some Christian brothers and sisters how they would approach a potential "I do" or how they would appreciate to be approached

Happy Sunday everyone have a wonderful week ahead in Jesus name name

Happy Sunday everyone have a wonderful week ahead in Jesus name name

Happy Sunday everyone have a wonderful week ahead in Jesus name name

Happy Sunday everyone have a wonderful week ahead in Jesus name name

Lol adeboye, if children rebel against you and your religion it doesn't mean they rebel again God and his Son Jesus Christ.

It's all good with well sounding words, but how much reformation has actually occured in the stagnant pool called rccg? same doctrines that contradicts the teachings of Jesus are being taught by those who are meant to believe read the whole Bible yearly and can't seem to see what some young ones who read it not as long as you and your elderly did.

Is it not apostasy to teach doctrines that contradicts what Jesus taught, Enoch adeboye?

Even when some have said they have approached you with the truth, is it true that you rejected them and what they showed you in the scriptures, yet you come out and claim you listen?

Ken4Christ:
I didn't say so, the Scripture did and I believe it.

look either you are stating what the scriptures and the gospel state or you are accusing them of saying something contrary.

Be confident and answer what I asked you, "so to you it took three people(beings) to raise Jesus up?

Like the Father raised him up, then the Holy Spirit, then Jesus himself also did as well, abi?"

Or you can at least show the scripture you claim said so

iamteegee:
You missed the point of john14:16, the point is that God never leaves, you saw it there, I can still go further but I will leave you to do the research.... God the father, son and Spirit is one, God decided to appear in those 3 form for the redemption of man

so your point is that God is His Holy Spirit that he sent to us?

Because that's absolutely not the point in John 14:16, which reads, John.14.16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--

On this same subject, of being with someone "forever" (Jesus and the Father) Jesus said in John.14.21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

Listen carefully to the condition recorded by John concerning Jesus revealing himself to anyone or them being loved by God. Listen again, continue reading John.14.23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.


Now do you think God our Father and His son Jesus will go to those or stay with those who disobey the teachings of Jesus?

Infact it's so important to obey the teachings of Jesus that's why the Holy Spirit was sent
John.14.26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

So that you can obey and abide in, that Christ as well abides in us.

Look this things are clear for those upon the right foundation that is there is only one God who sent his son Jesus Christ to us, but when you build upon a false doctrine like Trinity, you build upon sand and you hope upon that which is a lie that feels so sweet to make one reject the truth

Ken4Christ:
Your questions doesn't have the correct options.

The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
He was also raised by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus also raised himself from the dead.

So, no point answering questions that are wrongly asked.

You are so myopic.

You need the Spirit of God to comprehended spiritual things.

Jesus is Mighty God. He is also Almighty.

so to you it took three people(beings) to raise Jesus up?

Like the Father raised him up, then the Holy Spirit, then Jesus himself also did as well, abi?

Ken4Christ:
I acknowledge all these scriptures you are trying to lay emphasis on. But, your problem is that you don't want to look at any other scriptures that affirm Jesus is fully God.

If Jesus is fully God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God but all three persons are one God, not three Gods. This is trinity in its simplest explanation.

why not quote where I told you I don't want to look at any other scripture you claim affirm Jesus is fully God.

Mind you I have been using the scriptures you have been quoting since, have I not?

iamteegee:
Please read john14:16 and see what Jesus said about the Spirit and is God different from His Spirit?

John 14:16 you quoted where John records Jesus telling us to ask the Father for the Holy Spirit and clearly shows the distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Father who sends the Spirit.

So to answer your question Yes, God is different from His Spirit, for His Spirit lives in his children while He, God, dwells above the heavens.

The promise was to give us the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God that is from God

honesttalk21:
Perhaps you consider the Jewish Reading of Isaiah 53 where:

Isaiah 53 is not about an isolated “suffering Messiah” carrying away sins. In classical Jewish commentary, the “Servant” is Israel itself; the nation, described throughout Isaiah as “My servant” (cf. Isaiah 41:8, 44:21, 49:3).

The Servant (Israel) suffers at the hands of the nations. The nations look at Israel’s suffering and wrongly assume it must be because of Israel’s sins, when in fact it is because of their own violence and oppression.

Thus, Israel suffers because of the sins of the nations, but not in place of the nations. No guilt is transferred. Rather, Israel is vindicated by God, showing that their suffering was unjust.

This fits with Ezekiel 18 where

Ezekiel teaches that every individual bears his or her own guilt: “The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father…” (Ezek. 18:20).

There is no contradiction. Isaiah 53 is speaking poetically of collective historical suffering (exile, persecution) borne by the Jewish people due to the hostility of surrounding nations. Ezekiel speaks of personal accountability before God.

Together, they form a coherent principle: nations may experience collective consequences, but ultimate judgment remains personal.

The Christian reading of Isaiah 53 as “substitutionary atonement” is inconsistent with God’s justice as clearly stated in Ezekiel.

Instead, Isaiah 53 is understood as metaphorical, national, or about a prophet suffering unjustly but not literally carrying others’ sins.

have you finished? Okay so he is Israel abi and he "suffers because of the sins of the nations, but not in place of the nations. No guilt is transferred. Rather, Israel is vindicated by God, showing that their suffering was unjust."

Okay o, hope everyone can read this with me
Isa.53.11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of what he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.

I agree with what you have written except your disbelief that God could leave a person. Well not God but the spirit of God can indeed leave a person, and that is true.

Though you don't have to walk on eggshells because of that, due to being afraid of making mistakes because if any sins they can repent and ask God for forgiveness and He is faithful and just to forgive.

Well but we also have to be careful and watchful because there are deeds, sins, mistakes that lead to death, that remove a person from abiding in Christ. So we are advised through the letters not to be careless in the name of being carefree because there's an enemy seeking for whom to destroy.

The grace of God keeps us from living in sin.

If you don't know then ask God

Jer.33.3 Ask me and I will tell you some remarkable secrets about what is going to happen here. (NLT)

Jer.33.3 'Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.' (NIV)

Ken4Christ:
But our Lord Jesus said he would raise himself up from the dead. Did he lie?

John 2:19–21: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

John 10:17–18: “I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.”

John 11:25: “I am the resurrection, and the life."

The Scripture also said that the Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead:

Romans 8:11: “The Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead…”

1 Peter 3:18: “…put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

you need to listen to your own words, "You only quote references of scriptures that appears to support your opinions and ignore many others that says otherwise."

John.2.22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Wouldn't it had made more sense if apostle John had written after Jesus rose himself up from the dead.
Listen I will resurrect when Jesus returns, I will raise up, but those that mean I am the one doing it or those that make me God.


Thank God you quoted John 10:17-18, issue is you didn't actually quote all that's in those verse, did you now because you subtly left out the part where Jesus said it is God's command, so the authority Jesus had and exercised, John understood it from Jesus to be by God's command.

You know how Mary responded to what Jesus said in John 11:25
John.11.27 "Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."

Is it not wonderful that you quoted
Rom.8.11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as he raised Christ from the dead, he will give life to your mortal body by this same Spirit living within you.

You though you asked did Jesus lie about raising himself from the dead, even when you know he never raised himself by himself but God did

Ken4Christ:
... the same dishonest strategy:

You only quote references of scriptures that appears to support your opinions and ignore many others that says otherwise.

Don't tell me you are not aware of scriptures that affirm the deity of Christ. Jesus is referred to as God in several passages of the scriptures.

He also claimed to be God.
God the Father called him God
Angels worshipped him. In fact Angels are commanded to worship him.
He is worshipped alongside with God the Father.

Why are you pretending you are not aware of all these.

When John the Beloved heard a voice behind him in the Isle of Patmos saying:

Revelation 1:11
... I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

When he turned to see who was talking to him, who did he see? Jesus.

So, Jesus is revealed as Alpha and Omega.
God, the Father is Alpha and Omega.
Can't you enough sense that they are one God in different manifestations- Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

I am coming up with a full book on the subject of Trinity. Only the spiritually blind will deny it's untrue.

First off scriptures are from Genesis to Malachi and that's what Jesus taught, and none of them called the Messiah God.

Secondly Jesus never claimed to be God, there's not a single quote made in the four gospels that Jesus claimed to be God nor claimed to be another God.

Angels are not commanded to worship God but they are commander to worship the son of God as the Messiah not as God.

God Himself is quoted saying, "There is NONE like him" He alone is God, expect you are saying the scriptures are a lie or that God lied?/

Boomark:
I think I have shown you that it was the Father who raised Jesus Christ from the dead. An undisputable fact from over 30 scriptures.

So if someone ask you who raised Jesus from the dead? The correct answer is the Father.

What the Holy spirit is called cannot change it. Your understanding of Godhead cannot change it. Unity between the Son and the Father cannot change it. Both of them didn't unite and died together unseparated since you can't separate the son from the Father. My explanation should have helped you to dump all these beliefs that can't prove anything.


Romans 10:9 – “…if thou shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

You are free to give yourself trinity reasons to reject what God has done by himself and also reject being saved. You are on your own., I have done what you asked for perfectly well..

should I say I am surprised or not, I mean I was expecting ken4christ to say you are wrong after giving you option A B C and D, but he just goes ahead and starts defending his logic and doctrine, irrespective of the scriptures that tell us otherwise

As long as the one you know is the truth, then he is enough, more than enough

Repentance is genuinely asking for forgiveness with a genuine desire to change and do what is right

Thankgod89:
I hear your points, but I believe there is some confusion about the order of forgiveness, faith, and repentance. Let me explain what I mean from Scripture.

Colossians 2:13 does not say God forgave us after we repented — it says, “He forgave us all our sins” when He made us alive with Christ. That forgiveness was accomplished at the Cross, once for all. Paul is reminding believers of what Christ already did, not of what God is still deciding to do.

Yes, Acts 3:19 says, “Repent and turn to God so that your sins may be wiped out.” But repentance here (Greek metanoia) means a change of mind and heart toward God. It’s not first about cleaning yourself up, but about believing the gospel. Notice how Peter later says in Acts 10:43: “Everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” Believing is the doorway to forgiveness, and that believing heart is what true repentance looks like.

You also mentioned Hebrews 10:14. That verse shows the difference between what Christ already finished and what the Spirit is still working out in us. By one sacrifice He perfected forever those who believe — that is forgiveness and righteousness given once-for-all. At the same time, we are being made holy in our daily walk. That’s sanctification, not forgiveness.

As for 2 Corinthians 5:19, it says “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting people’s sins against them.” That was done at the Cross. Our ministry now is not to tell people “repent enough so that God may forgive you,” but to announce the good news that forgiveness has already been purchased, and call them to believe it. That believing is what turns the heart to God — and that is repentance.

So no, I’m not saying “everyone is automatically forgiven.” I’m saying forgiveness is a finished work in Christ, but it only becomes ours when we believe. And when we truly believe, transformation and repentance naturally follow.

Repentance without transformation is just religion. But faith in Christ brings the new birth, which produces real repentance from the inside out. That’s why Paul could say in Romans 2:4, “the goodness of God leads you to repentance.”

Brother, I don’t want to mix error with truth. I simply want to hold to the simple gospel: forgiveness is by grace through faith in Christ, not by our works of repentance. Repentance is the fruit of faith, not the price for forgiveness.

If we leave out the confusion that isn't from God nor His word, it's pretty straightforward if one is willing to believe and accept it instead of changing it. Repentance being the prerequisite for forgiveness has been consistent through the scriptures even to the gospel and revelation. Jesus literally told some of the churches to repent and be forgiven before it was too late. Are you suggesting they were not part of those whom he shed his blood for, for whom forgiveness were purchased once and for all.

Your usage of the term, once and for all and that Christ died once so that negates the need for repentance which isn't even in agreement with the author of Hebrew who also taught/wrote in repentance. You are still quoting col 2:13 out of context even after I literally quoted verses from the same chapter to show that we needed to be separated from sins before forgiveness...

Paul wrote Col.2.13 - You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ. He forgave all our sins.

But does it say what you wrote, you said "it says, “He forgave us all our sins” when He made us alive with Christ. Infact you ignore the cutting away of our sins so that you can claim, it doesn't say God forgave us after we repeated.

Is it that you don't know that repentance is turning away from the world and sins and turning to God. Just for your agenda you reverse the arrangement of words. Still your words doesn't deny repentance and separation from sin which made us dead.

Bro and your acts 3:19, are you doing that for the sake of arguing because you trying to twist changing ones heart and mind to mean, believing is an error. It's the blood of Jesus that cleanses those who turn away from their sinful ways and turn to God. A repentant person acknowledges that they are sinners, sinful and in need for forgiveness, they are making decisions inside to change and take the necessary steps to do so.

Like if a person changes and becomes perfect would they need to apologize seven times for a mistake. Oh Father forgive us as we forgive those who wrong us. John said if anyone sins, know that God is faithful to forgive, was it James or even John, confess your sins to one another. Like how do you skip a major part, Hebrews calls it foundations of repentance, and begin to type and teach what you are typing?
Mark.1.15 "The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

Matt.21.32 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

REPENT AND BELIEVE, like how do you believe in Jesus without repentance? That's a false doctrine.

Now you brought up Hebrew 10:14 you should realize that what Jesus perfected is our hearts and not making us sinless or incapable of making mistakes, I used that chapter to show you that the blood of Jesus works in our life unlike your constant use of once and for all forgiveness, which can be misused to be mean forgiven for future sins as well or misused to mean only past sins. It is surprising that you know it is sanctification and not forgiveness yet you kept stating previously that we are already forgiven because of Christ death and have don't need to repent before being forgiven. As if repenting negates the blood of Jesus already made available for those who turn to God in repentance.

You see agents of darkness do not want people to repent and turn to God, so they say well sounding stuffs like "Our ministry now is not to tell people “repent enough so that God may forgive you,” but to announce the good news that forgiveness has already been purchased, and call them to believe it. That believing is what turns the heart to God — and that is repentance."

Misleading people into believe they don't need to repent, mocking repentance by saying repent enough, ignoring the words of Jesus and twisting away the gospel which states repent for the kingdom of God is near.

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE REPENTANCE WITHOUT TRANSFORMATION, repentance is transformation, if you have truly repented you would know this. To repent is to change your ways and follow God's ways. Do not conform to the world but be renewed, be transformed by the word of God, by changing your mind, how you think, changing your lifestyle.

If you read Romans 2 well, you would know that in that verse 4 you quoted the kindness of God there is His patience waiting for people to repent. It isn't God's forgiveness leading to repentance like you want to assume.

And that's why verse 7, Romans 2:7 states that it is those who continue to do what is good are those whom God gives eternal life.

Boomark:
Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

Now the simple understanding of the verse you quoted, Ephesians 3:19 is Paul telling us that knowing this love of Christ, fills us with all the fullness of God.

Yet why they are asked is being full of God make one God, they are divided some say yes we are gods (even though some of them would honestly say no). But they say yes because they want to be believe that the same fullness (pleroma) in col 2:9 is different and that one means to them that Christ is God.

What's funny is that, one is full of God the other is full of divinity, between the two who should be more of a part of the God trio, should it not be the one full of God.

I realized that to those who are blind, be it truth or logic, they just can't see any of it.

Boomark:
He has been silent to me after I proved he mocked Jesus' words and "do you believe in Jesus' words" which I asked them. He called Jesus word and my question false dichotomy.

They don't know what they are doing.

he won't stay silent for long, watch him wiggle his way out of the truth so as to justify himself.

The guy accused me falsely for many months even after I showed him proof he refused it, I decided to discard it and I give him a fresh slate, I defined God again for him and yet he ran away again. All he cares about is making up false accusations, even if he has to make up things so that the person he is accusing would not have time or find it hard to prove otherwise

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

just ask them is God is anointed the honest ones would say no, yet they will still claim that God is Christ, like Christ has another meaning besides the anointed.

It's simple understanding like this that some of them lack that makes it tiring to even be in a conversation with them

vexing:
You did a great job in your explanation. Thank you very much.

you're welcome, we thank God.

You called in Gabriel the accuser 🤣, it would be better to find someone who would be more interested in a honest dialogue