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blueghost:
Judges 2, I will paraphrase.... And there came a generation that do not know God.
A lot of work need to be done in terms of godly and moral values. What use to be the abnormal is now the norms.
No wonder God told moses in the bible to teach your children the law bind it on your door post and wrist but unfortunately we are on steep decline.
Most children are on the fast lane and feel they know it all, they won't even blink to disrespect and elder when corrected. Social media is their sanctuary and validation.
So much identity crisis, they don't know which road to take or consult with God but rather consult with friends that will lead them astray.
Not just Gen Z but to everyone may God gives us Grace for the Race

so is it the fault of the children the generation or the one before it, their parents, elders and leaders?

When a culture says it's wrong to beat a child, whose fault is it now, is it still the parents fault? Because they agreed to spoil their children.

Most of us wouldn't even support discipline to children and yet we complain about their behavior, like we expect children to train themselves some how or magically become good, we believe they are good, expect them to be good but do little to help and make them good.

Even church discipline is being side track, it's too harsh, many don't even believe God disciplines it's only God does good and pleases us.

Whose fault is it, truly, whose fault is it

Pastorchrisylva:
Because today Christianity is a big lie and a blasphemous Christianity..
They can see through the lies

God said do not worship idols and images..
You people put cross and fake Jesus pictures in churches..
It's a sacrilege and blasphemy...

Pastors that should be servants of God are now living like kings and Lord's...
Jesus Christ always spoke against rich people
Just imagine what pastors are saying on pulpits..
Today Christians are more wicked than jezebel and Satan himself...

They preach tithing , Jesus never collected tithe, disciples never collected tithe..
Tithing is giving only to Levites and Jesus Christ abolished that with his new priesthood..
Now u should give freely according to how you desire

if anyone sees through the lies of the devil, it's not because they are gen z but because Jesus opened their eyes and on their part because they diligently sought the truth, they sought the real Jesus and he opened their eyes

folake4u:
This!

I still have PTSD from the doctrines of my parents' church.

have you gone for treatment? I hope you have though

Dtruthspeaker:
They are the evil generation the bible prophecied was gonna come

I am guessing you don't have children that are gen z or you yourself are not part of the gen z, of either is true then what a strange thing for you to assume

Fox12:
Gen Z & Religion: What's Really Going On?

Gen Z is the most connected generation yet spiritually, many feel disconnected.
More and more young people are saying:
"I’m not religious."
But why?

Let’s unpack it ;

1. Church Hurt & Hypocrisy
Gen Z questions what doesn’t align.
When leaders preach love but practice judgment, they bounce.
They're not leaving God,they're leaving the noise.


2. Information Overload
Gen Z grew up Googling everything.
They’ve seen different beliefs side-by-side and they ask deeper questions.
Blind faith doesn’t work for a generation raised to research.


3. Mental Health Matters
They care about emotional safety.
If a religious space triggers shame more than healing, they won’t stay.
They want faith that listens, not just lectures.


4. Authenticity Over Tradition
Gen Z doesn’t care about appearances,they crave realness.
If faith feels scripted or outdated, they’d rather pass.


5. Spiritual but Not Religious
Many aren’t atheist,they just don’t vibe with the labels.
They pray. They believe. But they want a personal relationship, not just performance.

So is Gen Z faithless? No.
They’re just tired of performative religion.
They’re seeking real connection with God, with meaning, with truth.

Maybe the church doesn’t need to be louder.
Maybe it needs to be more honest.
More human. More healing.

What’s your take?
Is Gen Z really unreligious or just reshaping what faith looks like?

it's good to seek answers but they should be turning to the Holy Spirit for answers though

If not they won't be different from the generations before them, the devil deceives every generation regardless of modern innovations

cutecommend:
There are miracles today, but in the time of old, the miracles were profound, deep, convincing, real, raw and powerful. Even several sinners could not doubt it because it was real. But today, the miracle power is not as visible as before, though God is still the same. In the time of old, if Christians wanted someone without a leg to have legs appear, they could pray to God and God can bring new legs. An Apostle like Ayo Babalola could suspend on the air. He could disappear. And if you talk of genuine salvation, when people get saved those days, the salvation was so real that sinners could possibly see clearly that such a person is born again in character, lifestyle, dressing e.t.c.

Why the church no longer experience miracles as before.

(1) Lack of Emphasis on Rapture: The more the church lose interest in the world and is eager to leave this world and meet Jesus, the more Jesus brings His power to the world.

(2) Lack of Prayers: The church does not pray much as before, and several prayerful people are living in sin.

(3) Lack of Holiness: If the church does not live holy, the power of God will not be much or may not come.

(4) Lack of Bible Study and Sound Doctrine: Not sermons on vision, goals, purpose e.t.c, but gospel of righteousness, evangelism, prayers, love, fruits of the Spirit, Bible study e.t.c

(5) Lack of Deep Evangelism: If the church wants power, it should also engage in massive and deep evangelism with followup and discipleship.

It is a beautiful Sunday with another chance, tell Jesus to forgive all your sins and come into your life today.

Happy Sunday to you.

even with the presence of all this you listed from one to five, it wouldn't make new legs grow every Sunday though

God will do what He wants to do when He wants to, for the purpose of drawing men to Him and be glorified, for all glory belongs to God

Lol typical Sunday morning front page, lovely songs though even those that have left the church would remember them and feel nostalgic

Even the catholics cannot explain scripturally or by the Holy Spirit why the change of God's 10 divine commands that even Jesus taught

Personally surprised this hasn't been moved to front page.

But not surprised that adeboye chooses to focus on superficial reformation than in-depth scriptural uprooting of jezebels and false prophets in rccg. If they like don't braid or do make up, if what's in your heart and life isn't the foundation laid by God, you won't stand nor survive

annyplenty:
Absolutely falsehood! The only manifestation of revival is that people will turn away from sin and turn to God.

What happened in Nineveh after Jonah preached is what is called revival. They all turned away from their evil and God saw that they turned away from evil.

Jonah 3:10 KJV
And *God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way*; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

you do know that ebubeson wrote this right, "Any gospel song that attracts the club without making men repent and abandon the club, may not be carrying the true power of revival." Is this false to you? Or you didn't see that?

The sign of revival is repentance
Amos.5.6a Come back to the LORD and live!..

Revival is to bring the "dead" back to life and if songs heard no matter the place does that, then that is revival

The purpose has to be to turn humans back to the one true God who gives us life
Isa.45.22 "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.

Ezek.18.32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Ezek.33.11 As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. Turn! Turn from your wickedness, O people of Israel! Why should you die?

If there is no repentance there is no revival

I know some of you love the laws of Moses especially the part that promises you an open heaven and financial breakthrough.

Now based on your observance of the law associated with tithing and the reinterpretation and implication in modern day church. A question that needs to be answered is who are your Levities?

Now pastors claim to be the ones to collect your tithes as your priests, but the tithe is supposed to go to the Levities right?

There some who are against evangelists collecting tithes because they are not pastors and are not entitled to it. While some are that any man of God even without a church is entitled to it.

It's funny and it's also sad because when we look at the Levities to whom the tithe is given;
Num.18.21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

Are of the tribe of Israel.

That aside trying to reapply it to your modern day churches, taking them as an earthly replica of the "temple of God" should we not consider... WHAT WERE THE ROLES OF THE LEVITIES IN THE TABERNACLE/TEMPLE

first the Levities who collected the tithes were not priests/pastors they were more like CLEANERS, GATEMEN, MAINTENANCE WORKERS who were responsible for the upkeep of the place like maids or butlers (like carrying and arranging chairs in church, storekeepers etc).

Levities were representives of every firstborn male in Israel and were sent to work in God's house on their behalf, they began at 25 and retired at 50, so for 25yrs they "enjoyed" those benefits. Even Moses sons were not counted as priests but as levites.

These records are in the bible, now my question to you all who insist on paying your tithes, is this DO YOU PAY THEM TO THE CLEANERS, GATEMEN AND THE LIKE IN YOUR CHURCH?

I know some of you have been asked if you give them to the poor and the like as written in the scriptures and they either dont answer or honestly say no.

So would you please be honest if not to us, to yourselves because even if you are not, no one can lie to God... In your reapplication of the law of Moses do you give your 10% to that church worker and assistant?

FreeIgboho:
But gut feeling and intuition and "unreasonable" decisions also originate deep inside the brain!
Infact they're typical examples of you not knowing nor controlling the inner processes of the brain. It does the relevant permutations without your conscious awareness, based on it's vast accumulation of data that you consciously have long since forgotten and present the result to you as intuition

interesting you seem to know about brain, so tell me, where does the data in the brain of a new born baby come from?

jesusjnr2020:
It's actually both.. based on divine revelation.

I already cited God's saying to man in the beginning that on the day he eats the forbidden fruit he shall surely die, which means man surely died on that day (in the beginning) after he ate that fruit. Genesis 2:7

However the death man died on that day wasn't physical but spiritual (loss of his eternal life), hence why man continued to live physically beyond that day only to later die to confirm the loss of his eternal life.

So if man died (lost his eternal life) on that day, who killed man in the beginning?

Jesus who called the devil a murderer in the beginning, also said, "the thief comes not but to steal, kill and destroy, but I am come that they may have life.." John 10:10

Therefore the devil is the thief that came to steal, kill and destroy man's (eternal) life in the beginning, but Jesus came to restore what the devil stole, killed, and destroyed in the beginning, which is man eternal life.

God bless.

I see you ignored this question, "if eternal life can be taken how it is then eternal?"

Nevertheless
Did God say that Adam will die spiritually, is it appointed to every man to die spiritually, did Jesus die spiritually for the wages of our sins?

I am asking you these questions so that you focus on what God revealed and not what some men taught as their doctrines but you can continue to ignore them if that's what makes you comfortable.

But know this, God told man you will return to the dust of the earth, and it was because of God's mercy they did not die that day. God never created Adam or the woman with eternal life, their life had a condition by which they could lose it. Eternal life is eternal, it's immorality.

If indeed they died spiritually which according to you all means no relationship with God then how did Abel please God, how did the sons of Seth call upon the name of YHVH.

Yes Jesus said the devil has come to steal, kill and destroy but what you have added as what he destroys isn't from what Jesus said but from your own understanding. The devil cannot steal from Jesus, he can steal those lost or on the wayside, he cannot take away the life God gives nor destroy what is built upon Christ the solid rock.

I don't know what you have been taught, but listen to what Jesus said, in John.17.3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Do you have an explanation to how you believe that the devil destroys this, this eternal life, how he takes it away? Because what you believe eternal life is may be different from what I have read

FreeIgboho:
I didn't see this before. Many of my mentions don't appear in my mentions.
I tagged you because I thought you are now convinced that free will is an illusion, which is a FACT (from man's perspective).

Did you read what I wrote at all?
Everything boils down to the brain which you neither chose nor programmed and there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control?
AND
(Freewill is an illusion) because decisions are always based on past things you neither chose nor control

I don't know why you feel you are right about how the brain works but like I told you earlier there is no freedom outside of the son of God, Jesus of Nazareth.

So in a sense I agree that "freewill" is an illusion especially when people imagine they can do just about anything either without repercussions or consequences. But when we speak about making choices, we are limited to the amount of choices available and our perception(understanding) of those choices. No one forces you, but like you mentioned past experiences, people's words etc etc and the like help shape what a person eventually decides but it's still their decision just has how you decided to reply me, I may also choose not to reply maybe I am busy and just glanced at my nairaland account or I could also choose to respond.

Everything doesn't really always boil down to the brain, people makes choices based on gut feeling, intuition and even make "unreasonable" decisions

FreeIgboho:
What part don't you understand? I'll patiently explain

you want to explain for me what I wrote that you don't understand? You still don't even understand the post you just read and quoted

jesusjnr2020:
The things of the Spirit are difficult for the carnal mind to comprehend...

The devil took man's eternal life in the beginning, hence killed every human both living and unborn with that single strike. That's the death God warned man about if he ate of that forbidden tree, because man was not meant to die at all but live forever. Genesis 2:17

So that's how the devil became a murderer from the beginning. He took man's eternal life.

God bless.

if eternal life can be taken how it is then eternal?

Your premise is that man had eternal life which was taken by the devil.

tctrills:
So why is the Devil called the murderer not Cain. That was my question. Is Cain the devil?

it's obvious someone is being called a devil right

tctrills:
John 8:44 says
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Please explain why the devil is called a murderer from the beginning. Who did he kill? Please use the scripture in your explanation.

well Cain was the first murderer and lied about knowing where his brother was, there was sin in him and right he was going to rule or Lord over sin or sin over him. He was cast out from God's presence 🤔

When you change the commands you change the direction, when you change the God you change the worship

Is it possible that a post that exposes the errors in a religion will not be seen as offensive?

FreeIgboho:
You misunderstand. Adam couldn't have overridden his own brain and it's programming -which he had no hand in creating. Adam wasn't even aware of all the processes his brain went through to arrive at the decision, talkless of being able to influence them. In short there is no Adam that could have overridden his brain because there is no Adam without his brain.

In the case of Peter, that's a result of his life-long conditioning from birth that made him who he was. If he had different brain, genes, circumstances, and experiences (none of which he chose) he'd have been a totally different person all together - and ALL his choices would have stemmed from that, hence no space for freewill.

There's no reservoir of free will, because there's nothing you can use to override the brain except the brain itself, processes of which you don't control

you don't even understand what you read

FreeIgboho:
In more than one place the Bible calls God a MAN. "MAN of war", for example. Jesus called himself "Son of MAN"

"God's servant" as his Son, NOT in the sense of prophets or angels!

Yes it supports my claim. This was someone who came to suffer and die for atonement of sins of the world. John 1:29 “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world"

2. Jesus of "Before Abraham I am" had Mary as mother! So Mary was God's wife, therefore before Jesus!

4. How do you reconcile this with all this below:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
AND
John 14:9 “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
AND
Mathew 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
AND
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
AND
John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)
AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"
AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am"}

Heb 1:6 So let all the angels worship a servant!

You mean Exod.15.3 The LORD is a warrior; the LORD is his name.
or is it
Isa.42.13 The LORD will march out LIKE a mighty man, LIKE a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.

Hmmm, does it even make sense or use to respond to you with the truth? Since you believe you are right in your own eyes continue on your way

FreeIgboho:
1. Isaiah 53 abd Psalm 22 foretold this

2. God can't have a son because there is no mother. So son here is not son as we think. Son means an offshoot of God, a "manifestion" of God which is also God

3. See numbe 2. Jesus is part of God. God!

4. Jesus said if you see him you've seen God, accepted worship unlike anyone else in the Bible, was after souls not money, said he was Alpha and Omega, said he'd come into people's hearts, etc

5. God can't have son without mother. "Son of God" can only somehow be God himself

6. When Jesus said "destroy this temple and I'll raise it in 3 days" Who did he say would raise it?

7. You're making God out to be totally powerless

8. No other person in the history of the world has come close to being like Jesus

9. This is very powerful. Yahweh would NEVER allow anyone worshipped with him or in his place unless he approves

10. Testimonies of Jesus as active in people's lives abound

Be yet patient with me perhaps we may gain understanding from God

Isaiah 53 the arm of YHVH, the servant of God who grew up in His presence, rejected and despised of men, A MAN of sorrows whom they thought was punished by God but was carried our weaknesses and crushed for our sins, for YHVH put our sins upon him. God's righteous servant will justify many and God will honor him.

Isaiah called him A MAN and GOD'S SERVANT consistent with what was revealed by Jesus and the apostles.

Now Psalm 22 is a prayer of a man who because of being despised sees himself less than a man, even as a worm.

You can see I have told you the truth, and neither of these chapters you mentioned support your earlier claim.


2. Jesus had a mother and was born, because from the beginning God said so even to when Jesus was to be conceived. It is because you believe Jesus to be a god that you feel conflicted about him having a mother. God said, the seed of the woman, Isaiah prophecies and the Virgin shall have a child, Gabriel appeared and told Mary, the Holy Spirit and God's power will come upon you and you shall conceived without the aid of a man. Jesus is the son of God, the manifestation of God's word. For God spoke and it was and is and will be.

4. They understood what Jesus meant, as the Hebrews took seeing God's messengers as seeing God, Jacob said he had seen the face of God but in actuality he saw an angel, Abraham spoke to God but in reality it was an angel. None of them had seen God but they said they had, because they saw his representatives.

Please like James said ask God for wisdom, like Jesus said ask for the Holy Spirit who teaches us, and when you have done this, read the writings of scripture and gospel even to the "original" copies

Heb.1.6 And then, when he presented his honored Son to the world, God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."

Steep:
They are the same God but distinct persons. Having one name prove they are one in essence.

that is because to you God is an essence and not a person, even though He revealed Himself and His personality throughout scriptures.

FreeIgboho:
Thanks for your response. Free will means you're the one responsible for the processes within your brain that led to a decision.
Example: when Adam's brain decided to eat the fruit, could Adam have overridden it? If so, that thing he would have used to override it is the reservoir of freewill

Okay so I take it that you are saying that free will is the thinking process before a decision is made, meaning the person choose to do so. Now based on your earlier analogy where you pointed out constraints to a person's thinking process thereby predetermining their decisions, wherein you asked how or where does freewill fit into that analogy, right?!

Going with this two basis, let me answer this question of "if Adam could override his brain's decision to eat the fruit"

Simple answer, Yes, even if you think to do something wrong we usually decide against it (maybe because of what someone else said) or go along with it (because of our own desires). And the reason Adam could have override his own thoughts would have been if he paid attention to what God said and believed it to be true, God told him the consequences of eating that fruit giving Adam the choice not to eat it.

The moment a choice becomes available a person is given "the freedom" to choose

And so I agree with you when you call "it" the reservoir of free will, because only God can give us an alternate option or choice. Only God is our storage of freedom that liberates us from our limitations.

God's word creates opportunities and chances that are beyond our abilities and thought process. Peter could never have thought to walk on water all through his years as a fisherman but one day he saw an opportunity because he saw the word of God manifesting and that word, Jesus Christ gave him the opportunity to make a choice and walk on water, remove that encounter and Peter would never think nor choose to walk on water.

Ken4Christ:
You can't truly obey God or follow Jesus unless you are born again first.

are you saying being born again can occur first without following Jesus?

FreeIgboho:
I guess you didn't read the first part of the original post. Here it is. Read it and say if you still think any other person in human history has been like Jesus.


Reasons why Jesus is DEFINITELY God the Son of God:

1) Thousands of years before he was born prophets prophesied that God was coming to visit us. Old Testament (OT) is full of references to his coming.
No other person in the history of mankind has this happened with.

2) Before he came a mighty prophet was sent to prepare his way. John the Baptist (JohnTB) said that was all he came to do. And that he (a mighty prophet) was not fit to untie Jesus' shoe.

3) At his baptism a dove descended on him and a voice from heaven (identified as God the Father), proclaimed, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased," (Matthew 3:17)

4) When he finally came, he himself said he was the long-awaited God and did things God would do - he was after people's souls not money, he forgave sins, accepted worship, raised people from dead, and said he himself was the truth, the life, and the righteousness, and no one came to his Father except through him.

5) He said you'd know he's truly God the Son because his words would never pass away

6) He said he'd raise himself from the dead, and did just that and in such a way that the wrappings used to wrap the body were NOT disturbed

7) Thousands of years after his death he's being worshipped as God and his words have never passed away - exactly as he said!

8} He is worshipped interchangeably with the Father. No other person has been so worshipped
in human history.

9) The Father has been pleased with his worshippers and showered them with blessings. They also worship and call on the Father constantly and he accepts their prayers.

10) He is alive and active in people's lives TODAY!
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1. Scripture states God was coming to judge not die shed his blood for sins.

2. John the baptist never declared Jesus to be God. He declared Jesus to be the son of God stating that the one who sent John revealed it to him

3. God called Jesus is son, a product from him. If he were god like you claimed the truth would be God declaring that this was him in the flesh

4. Jesus never said he was the or any "long awaited" God. The things Jesus did were the things God has been doing through his servants but much more was done through his son Jesus Christ.

5. Jesus is God's son and not God the son, for there is only one true God, his father the Almighty creator of all.

6. Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God did, God gave him the power to lay his life and take it up again. He could do nothing without God's power and permission.

7. Jesus being worshipped by God is by the deception of the devil, that brought in such corruption

8. Jesus is worshipped as our Lord, the Christ anointed by God, as commanded by God. Men have been worshipped as kings, as fathers etc

9&10 sound like things made up to make it up to 10

Steep:
sometimes a name in the Bible represents authority. The name in of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit means their authority.

"their authority" steep don't you used to say that they are all the same, that the son is the almighty? where you not trying to prove something that "they" are the same being because it is "the name"?

FreeIgboho:
Folks, please forgive us but we have a serious problem that we hope you can help us resolve. Please observe the scenario below. No matter how we configure it we arrive at the same conclusion: there is no such thing as freewill. This has led us to helplessness, hopelessness, and depression. Please is there ANY WAY we can configure this so there's space for freewill. (Please disregard for now the assumption that God already knows everything you'll ever do - that's story for another day)

Here's the scenario:

A child is born, he has no hand in anything he was given including his very brain, personality, circumstances of birth, experiences, etc. His brain starts working immediately, gathering info and programming itself, all independent of his input. Based on these info, thoughts appear in the child's consciousness without his input and based on these thoughts he takes actions. These are his thoughts and he has no real power to override them. And even if he could, he'd still override them with thoughts that come from the same brain processes he has no control over. This continues all life long - his thoughts, intentions, and feelings appear from processes within his brain that he's not even aware of talkless of controlling.
Please can you find us space for freewill in all this OR can you please tell us where freewill can come from? Feel free to use AI.
Thanks.



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What does freewill mean to you?

If it means freedom to do whatever a person desires then isn't that more of an illusion than "freewill" as even if you believe you can fly while jumping off a mountain would you, meaning you are not free to fly.

Why not show us what and how you understand freewill is.

By the way Jesus said this in John.8.36, So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Do not assumed that humans have some sort of freedom we are under the bondage of the flesh sin and death and only Jesus can give us freedom.

God did give us a choice to choose that freedom, John.3.16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So it doesn't matter where a person is born or the kind of brainwashing they have undergone, if they choose to obey God and follow his son Jesus Christ they will be truly free and no more bond by those things you listed above, by their flesh and carnal reasonings and all.