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Gabrielshow24:
I hope by now, after months of research work, you should have come up with the right proper model that God didn't just attain wisdom at the beginning 😂as you wanted us to believe 🤦🏾‍♂️.

I hope this version of gohf is better than that previous version that didn't even understand the concept of transcendency🤨!

again when and where did we ever have this conversation please kindly show us, all this proves what I wrote about you accusing others wrongly, do you enjoy it?

Gabrielshow24:
😂Did you even read the discourse before you fetched a post with the phrase "This is false accusation"? If you did, kindly provide an answer. Did I accuse him falsely?

Even the blind can see that boomark asserts I lied even with convincing evidence against his stance 🤨, I am not moved by this. You aim to deceive people but you have failed!

you haven't once ever proved who I deceived yet you continuously show that you enjoy accusing others without evidence, you asked for where you false accused someone of course I brought it out, not surprised that you deny it. If you ever admitted that you ever falsely accused someone then you would be honest wouldn't you.

If you don't want to move don't, I could care less honestly

Gabrielshow24:
Nice dichotomy 🤨. It still doesn't change the fact that you have failed to even establish a base definition for the term called "God" 😂. You should focus on that!

your monotony sophistry in accusing me without prove is evident here, where did I engage you or tell you I will define God for you that you jump to judge others a failure?

Gabrielshow24:
Where have I falsely accused anyone? Even this wise dude 👀continually sh.oots himself in the leg when he tries to prove I accused him falsely 🧐.

Evidence below 👇🏾

FxMasterz:
This does not negate the fact that angels are created for specific purposes. There are sick angels for whom Christ never died. Think about it.



But where did you see me insinuate that service is a form of gratification? This is false accusation.

Angels are specifically created for specific purposes. Man is created as a being capable of relationship with God. Not for specific purposes like a robot.

Gabrielshow24:
Whatsoever my Father has not planted will be uprooted! 👀 Matt15:13 Such is the way for all those that labour in va.ni-ty!

which father is your own, the Father of lies or the Father of Jesus Christ

Gabrielshow24:
You are quite conceited in your abilities. I am not begging for discussion, I am starting a discourse. You just poured out 'ocum, mashed them up together, gave them your own flow then called it "destroyed"😂😂😂.

The fact shows you can't even answer a simple question, the definition of the concept called God. Your verses also justify the trinity but I won't start this conversation without you defining what you understand by the concept called God. It's the basic essence of this discussion as all offshoot revolves around the Godship of the Son! Something even verified by The Father.

You are probably just a child too excited to think deeply. If you want to sit at the grown-up table kindly provide a response else it's just a facade!

lol you think you are grown up, 😂 Gabriel when did you grow up?

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God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.

Continuation of the Athanasian Creed:

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

There's even a third creed that follows that nicene creed, which becomes a false foundation for all false churches


Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost is all One, the Glory Equal, the Majesty Co-Eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father Uncreate, the Son Uncreate, and the Holy Ghost Uncreate. The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible. The Father Eternal, the Son Eternal, and the Holy Ghost Eternal and yet they are not Three Eternals but One Eternal. As also there are not Three Uncreated, nor Three Incomprehensibles, but One Uncreated, and One Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

They corrupted the apostolic creed they initially copied to attract the faithful in order to eventually mislead them



The Apostles' Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy universal Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.
Amen.

Subtly began to introduce self promotion and false interpretation of scripture filled with sophistrical contradiction

The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, universal and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The Ten Commandments according to Roman Catholic Church

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
2. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor thy father and mother.
5. Thou shall not kill.
6. Thou shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shall not steal.
8. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.

They created fake ten commandments, turned jesus to God, removed Idolatry the very sin of worship any other as God.

Boomark:
Aww! oya get your bible and start telling us the right things that are against the words of Jesus Christ In my post. Use your own definition of God to do that. I have quoted more than 15 to 20 scriptures for you people. But you don't have any.

I told a woman who proudly told me that she has been in catholic charismatic since I was a little boy. I didn't get angry but I was waiting to slay her to pieces. She didn't know I am Boomark the slayer of liars.

After she failed to answer my question on Idol worship, she told me to ask God for direction. I told her to use the direction that has been given to her and answer my question. Out of frustration, she told me to go and ask my ancestors and leave her alone.

So my brother, use your definition and prove to us that you have not been believing a lie from those who have rejected Christ's word. I have done a great work by providing these truth. Do yours let's see.

You are talking to catholics that created fake ten commandments, turned jesus to God, removed Idolatry the very sin of worship any other as God

The Ten Commandments according to Roman Catholic Church

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shall not have strange gods before Me.
2. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's day.
4. Honor thy father and mother.
5. Thou shall not kill.
6. Thou shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shall not steal.
8. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods.

Gabrielshow24:
No need to stress yourself, the very verses he submitted as evidence can be used against his arguments! He is already following in the fruit.less toil of Arian!

his fruits were not of this world so I agree that to you they were vain

rottennaija:
Quote governing body first.

you mean the apostles and prophets who are the foundation of the church or which ones?

Boomark:
I believe they are still confused on how to start and never look like antichrist. They have rejected everything that Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 HCSB
[11] For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false, [12] so that all will be condemned — those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.

They have become deluded and are still making efforts to prove themselves right against God's word and words from Christ himself.

The next thing you will see from them is insults. That's how the antichrist works.

by the way do you realize that those who believe that antichrist doctrine are doing miracles and healings in the name of Jesus, what if someone asks you to explain that, how do you explain that?

What's your view on that

WeirdAlien:
Misunderstanding!
Trinity doesn't mean there are three Gods in one, or one God divided into 3. No.
Trinity is one God manifesting in three personalities.

so your God has 3 personalities and he isn't the same person?

I see that later you couldn't use scripture to answer boomark but tried using philosophy of body soul and spirit

Boomark:
THE FATHER IS ONE AND THE ONLY TRUE GOD. TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE

Trinity doctrine is formed based on capital letter G and small letter g in the word God/god. It is hanging at the mercy of wrong and right interpreters. It is not based on what God said about himself, or what Christ said about God and himself, or on what the apostles said and know about God and Christ Jesus. Let us see what Christ said and confirmed by himself. Know that Jesus Christ is a God but not the God Almighty and not his equal. Only the antichrist will reject the words of Jesus Christ.

ONE GOD, HE IS THE FATHER

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIrV
[5] There may be so-called gods either in heaven or on earth. In fact, there are many “gods” and many “lords.” [6] BUT FOR US THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. HE IS THE FATHER. All things came from him, and we live for him. AND THERE IS ONLY ONE LORD. HE IS JESUS CHRIST. All things came because of him, and we live because of him.

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:


NKJV
Act 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.

Hebrews 1:1-2 HCSB
[1] Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. [2] In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him.

Jesus Christ (the word was God, John 1:1) is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who raised him (Jesus) from the dead. He (Jesus) is not the God who spoke through the prophets to their fathers and now speaks to us through Jesus Christ. He (Jesus) is not the God who was able to save him (Jesus) from death.This is the God they know as God Almighty, Exodus 6:3. He alone bears the name JEHOVAH. LORD was used to replace JEHOVAH, go and verify.

Psalm 83:18 KJV
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, Art the Most High over all the earth.

THE ONLY TRUE GOD

1 Timothy 6:16 NIrV
[16] God is the only one who can’t die. He lives in light that no one can get close to. No one has seen him. No one can see him. Honor and power belong to him forever. Amen.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, The Only True God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This is the only true God. He alone has immortality and cannot die. Nobody has seen or can see him. Jesus was seen by many people. He died, was buried, and his God raised him up. See also 1 John 5:20.

JESUS HAS A GOD. HIS GOD IS THE FATHER.

We all, including Jesus Christ have one God and that God is the Father. From Ephesians 1:1-3&17, 1 Peter 1:3, and all the first chapters of the epistles, you will see them thanking, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ," Let see what Jesus said by himself. His sayings are true.

John 20:17 NIrV
[17] Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me. I have not yet ascended to the Father. Instead, go to those who believe in me. Tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”

Jesus clearly told us that the Father is his God and our God. If you still doubt and reject his words because he was still on earth, even though he has died and was resurrected, let us go to revelation when he is in heaven.

3) Revelation 3:12 NIrV
[12] Here is what I will do for anyone who has victory over sin. I will make that person a pillar in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.

Who will argue or reject what Christ said by himself. Jesus in heaven, clearly telling us about his God who created and own everything and made him an heir of everything. If Jesus is God Almighty, who then is his God? We know what it means for someone to have a God he serve. Nobody can claim or say they are equal to their God or god.

John 14:28 NIrV
[28] “You heard me say, ‘I am going away. And I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad I am going to the Father. The Father is greater than I am.

Jesus said it himself, that his Father is great than him. He never told us that he is equal to God Almighty his God. Those who believe that are on their own.

JESUS IS A SERVANT OF GOD

Matthew 12:15-18 HCSB
[15] When Jesus became aware of this, He withdrew from there. Huge crowds followed Him, and He healed them all. [16] He warned them not to make Him known, [17] so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: [18] Here is My Servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul delights; I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will proclaim justice to the nations...


Isaiah 42:1-4 HCSB
[1] “This is My Servant; I strengthen Him, this is My Chosen One; I delight in Him. I have put My Spirit on Him; He will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not cry out or shout or make His voice heard in the streets. [3] He will not break a bruised reed, and He will not put out a smoldering wick; He will faithfully bring justice. [4] He will not grow weak or be discouraged until He has established justice on earth. The islands will wait for His instruction.”

Jesus in Matthew 12:15-21 confirmed what was written in Isaiah 42:1-4, that he is a servant of God Almighty. Who will disagree or reject what Jesus confirmed? A servant is not equal or greater than his master.

Acts 4:27, 30 HCSB
[27] “For, in fact, in this city both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, assembled together against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, [30] while You stretch out Your hand for healing, signs, and wonders to be performed through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

The apostles made powerful prayer to God Almighty in the name of his holy servant. Jesus reconciled us back to God so we can go to God his Father through him. He didn't tell us to throw God away. These scriptures showa that he is God's servant: Act 3:13, 26, Isaiah 53:1-12, Isaiah 49:5-6 was confirmed in Acts 13:46-47.

Jesus has the fear of God whom he serves in him, but God Almighty fears no one. The spirit of God was the one helping him. See Zechariah 3:8, Isaiah 11:1-3, Acts 13:22-23

Acts 2:36 NLT
[36] “So let everyone in Israel know for certain that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”

If you read from verse 14, you will see that God made him every thing he is.

Jesus is subject to God and will hand over everything to God in the end. Read this carefully.

1 Corinthians 15:24, 27-28 HCSB
[24] Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.
[27] For God has put everything under His feet. But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. [28] And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

JESUS IS A PROPHET

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 HCSB
[15] “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

See also Acts 3:22-23, 7:37.

Jesus Christ is a prophet serving God Almighty. He is a mediator between God and man.

Jesus confirmed that he says things exactly as God commands him. As the prophecy in Deuteronomy puts it, "God will command him on what to say." He will not say things by his own authority or will.

John 12:49-50 NLT
[49] I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. [50] And I know his commands lead to eternal life; so I say whatever the Father tells me to say.”

See John 7:16, 8:28, 14:10.

God Almighty is not a prophet but prophets are his servants who say what they hear from him. All the prophecies in Revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God to say and show what he received from God.

JESUS IS A GREAT HIGH PRIEST OF GOD FOREVER

What the high priests on earth does for God is what God has chosen and appointed Christ to do for him in heaven forever. Hebrew 5:4,5,10, 7:28. He is a priest forever, saving and interceding for those who come to God through him, Hebrew 7:24-25.

Hebrew 4:14-15, 5:1-10, 7:1-28, 9:11-14.

GOD WITH GOD. JOHN 1:1, 18.

John 1:1 Said, Jesus was God and he was with God. In the same John 1:18, it says that no one has ever seen God. This is to show that there are people in heaven who are called Gods, but they all have God, the Father, who no one has seen, as their God. 1 Timothy 6:16 didn't tell us that people have seen God and that he is Jesus Christ, who died and was resurrected. God Almighty (the Father) cannot die.

Philippians 2:6 HCSB
[6] who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

The form of the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82:6 is not the same as the form of the gods of Babylon in Isaiah 46 and not the same with those who are called gods in heaven. That they were all called gods doesn't mean they are one, equal, and the same.

Jesus is a God base on the authority given to him by the Father. As Moses was a God/god to Pharaoh. Even God is himself was called gods in 1 Samuel 4:6-8. An idol in Acts 17:23 was referred to as the unknown God, KJV, NIV, LSB, AMP, etc (few versions used god). We are looking at who is who here. Also see this heading in your bible in Isaiah 46 "Gods of Babylon" (not gods). Jesus told us the Father is the only true God. He never said he himself is the only true God. This is why those who depend on capital letter 'G' have fallen away from the truth.

KING OF KINGS

God as King of kings: 1 Tim 6:15, Dan 2:47

Jesus as King of kings: Rev 17:14, Rev 19:16.

Nebuchadnezzar as King of kings: Dan 2:37. God made Nebuchadnezzar king of kings.

These three persons are not trinity or equal just because they bear king of kings. Nebuchadnezzar being in the form of king of kings does not make him equal to God. Titles does not determine who is who.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

It was mentioned for God in Revelation 1:8, and 21:6. For Jesus in Revelation 22:13.

This title does not make Jesus equal to his God and it does not mean that Jesus Christ is the same person as God the Father. Just as Nebuchadnezzar is not the person called Jesus Christ. And there is no where it says that this is reserved for God Almighty alone. We have saviours in heaven and on earth but God almighty is the true saviour who sends all saviours to man.

Revelation 1:1 GNT
[1] This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed. God gave him this revelation in order to show to his servants what must happen very soon. Christ made these things known to his servant John by sending his angel to him,

Revelation came from God Almighty and he gave it to Jesus to show people. The God who said in the beginning, "let us make man..." is still the same God that designed the revelation of the end which was given to Jesus. God is the brain behind everything.

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

I and my Father are one. One what if I may ask? The bible made this clear but those who are believing a lie have continued to use this to misinterpret the word of God.

John 17:22 GNT
[22] I gave them the same glory you gave me, so that they may be one, just as you and I are one:

Just as you and I are one, let them be one. It is like saying that husband and wife became one. They are not equal because the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God, 1 Corinthians 11:3.

Trinity doctrine is rooted in gross misinterpretation of the scripture and falsehood to turn people away from the only true God.

Matthew 7:21-23 HCSB
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord! ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name? ’ [23] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

From Matthew 7:21-23, you will see that Christ the holy servant of God is not interested in what you claim or think you are doing for him to please him. The only thing that pleases him is the will of God. Do the will of God the Father whom he serves else you are rejecting him and the Father who sent and commanded him to say exactly what he commands.

THE ANTICHRIST

Anyone who rejects and do not believe words from Jesus Christ have rejected him. Those who rejects him have rejected God because those words came from God and they have made God a liar, John 12:49-50. Those who rejected him are antichrist, 2 John 1:7,9, 1 John 5:10.

I am BOOMARK, the slayer of false doctrines with double edged sword 🗡️

a bit late to the thread but I would like to say welcome to another who actually believes and knows the truth that there is only one true God and his son Jesus Christ our Lord sent by God our Father to bring grace and truth to us, and this good news will not be stopped by any nicolatian doctrine or false foundationally faith teaching that call the truth heresy but the truth will prevail.

I would to see the responses that followed the post, and hope you weren't surprised by those who claim to openly believe Jesus but reject his words in favor of their church doctrines and dogmas

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂See wisdom! Who is begging you? If you want me to engage in a logical discourse with you. There are basic axioms and terms that must be defined and sorted out before I proceed further. We all know the end result of Arianism—belittling the Godship of the Son! 😂 If you want you take it up with the Father👀.

No man has time for time wasting, if you want to be in delusion—Continue 🤨. When you are ready let me know. If any one sees what you wrote up there, they will think you are knowledgeable not knowing that you are evading queries😂, vividly aware of the fact that you cannot properly define that term without shooting yourself in the leg 🤣🤣.

Gohf, a prominent Arian on this platform 👀 is also in your league—the league of those that can't define the term "God". They are all aware of the implications and logical slippery slope it will do to their arguments.

All you wrote as arguments up there are things I will use to drive home trinity even more! I just picked John and showed how you are in grave err in your interpretation! When even the same John saw the ancient of days and the lamb of God😂😂😂. That's the tip of the iceberg but I won't have a discourse with you without you providing what you understand by the concept called "God". Except you want to tell us that Jesus lied when he said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" 🤨.

You will let us know who inspired you to arrive at such conclusion! Definitely, not the Father😂!

this may be the only good thing you have done in a while, even though you misquoted me in an irrelevant and inaccurate way. I do appreciate becoming aware of a relevant thread as this but haven't you changed from falsely accusing people Gabriel?

albacete:
Help meet or help mate?
This should be up to 40 characters s, right?

lol 40chars, it's help meet, one who meets you at your point of need, offers support, encourage. The neck and shoulders that carry the head.

Iamzik:
The king James translation says help "meet" meaning a help that is "suitable"

💯 suitable to what he needs, to that specific husband.

Marvyx:
Women were also created for a purpose and an agenda which is not primarily to help a man. This help meet thing has what have made many women go through this life living in the shadow of their husbands and the only thing they achieve is that they are wives and mothers.

As a woman helps a man, the man too should help her achieve her purpose as the bridegroom that he is..

I just feel like I should point that out even if I concur with your submission.

Were you the one who created women? For you to say, "Women were also created for a purpose and an agenda which is not primarily to help a man."

Because I recall that God who fashioned them, was for them to help man, isn't the creator the one who determines the original or "primary" purpose for what he makes.

Opinions like yours are a times are the reason for confusion. What does helping someone have to do with being in their shadows.

Did our parents, or mothers not help us achieve our goals, are they in our shadows? Imagine if your parents or mother was selfish and only cared about what she wanted. Obviously the way they help children is different from the way a wife is expected to help her husband, but you have undermined the role of wives and mothers and limited a women's help to only those two functions and roles. That's having a very limited view and expectation of the value of help a female can render to her spouse.

Hope the OP is happily married for years o 😁 because to criticize other people's marriages that failed for reasons you have little knowledge about is like sowing a seed you won't want to reap it's fruit later on.

Mentioning that "the Bible says “God hates divorce”, life sometimes throws curveballs, even at the anointed. These pastors stood at the altar… not once, but twice in some cases… and still ended up signing divorce papers!"

While ignoring what Jesus, the word of God said, divorce is permitted in the case of fornication and adultery, and to be frank any abusive wicked human who is selfish and sells their birthright as a child of God is a fornicator like Esau. Isn't it written do not be UNEQUALLY yoked, even Paul wrote that such union isn't binding if the unbeliever leaves.

Please let's apply wisdom, the wisdom of God, and if any lack it let them ask God for it.

Daejumong:
Iyabo Ojo’s daughter(Priscilla)allegedly dumps Christianity and becomes a Muslim following marriage to her Muslim Tanzanian husband(Juma Jux)

My thoughts
- When I critiqued Pst Ighodalo for officiating and joining a Christian lady with a non -Christian guy and said it was biblically wrong,many Christians insulted me calling me a kill joy and many unprintable names. I know we are quite emotional as a people BUT we must not allow our emotions blind us from proven truths and facts in the Bible(especially in the New Testament after Christ came).Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers (2Cor6:14)

- Marriage that is not up to 1 yr, Priscilla has turned back from Christ that she embraced for more than 20yrs . This shows a young woman captured by unhealthy insane love/infatuation and probably not in her right senses at the moment. I hope the man who is way older and more mature is not manipulating her in the marriage.

- I beckon on Pastor Ighodalo to try and get in touch with her because Jesus would require accountability from you. If it means leaving the proverbial 99 sheep at home and travelling over to Tanzania for her, pls do. This her action may be a harbinger of something unsavoury on the way.

Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord

In the words of apostle John

1John.2.19 These people left our churches because they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left us, it proved that they do not belong with us.

In the words of Lord Jesus Christ

Luke.9.62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

How many women that are wives are actually helping their husbands achieve their purpose in life. Many get into marriage with their own agenda and purpose, whether they are woke or diva, their own will and desires count more than following any form of leadership, well are they to be blamed, even church going ladies proclaim equality and believe in their 50-50 right. In fact some expect help from their husbands without rendering any form o substantial help to the man's goal and vision.

They speak more than they act, and complain, nag, irritate and even a times drive the husband crazy or away from the home.

Prov.21.9 Better to live alone in a tumbledown shack than share a mansion with a nagging spouse.

Some of them expect to be loved with little to even no submission, to them greeting you and cooking for you, even giving you children is submission enough

Prov.21.19 It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.


Finally men IF you CAN'T find a GOOD WIFE please stay SINGLE. 🙏🏾

"Righteousness means more than doing nothing wrong". 💯

Besides doing nothing is wrong 👍🏾

Jas.4.17 Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

Firstorderwizard:
Back in the days, not attending church for just 1 sunday in a month makes one feel so guilty and incomplete but nowadays, one can stay months without attending church or any church program.
It is even getting more worst as one gets more learned and exposed.
Can I maintain my relationship with God without attending church on Sundays?
Could this affect my faith?if yes, how can I rekindle my zeal for attending church on Sundays?

At least maintain close relationships with other children of God and discuss God, love and how to love others more and better and obey God's will for your life.

God is close to the righteous.

1John.4.20 If someone says, "I love God," but hates a Christian brother or sister, that person is a liar; for if we don't love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we have not seen?

CreativeOrbit:
Your attempt to corner the discussion into a simplistic “Yes or No” trap shows you either don’t understand how language and revelation work — or you’re being disingenuous on purpose.

Let’s be clear: Muslims worship the One True God — the same Eternal Creator worshipped by Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all). In the Hebrew scriptures, that Name is rendered as YHWH (Yahweh) to the Children of Israel in their language. In Arabic, the same Eternal God is called “Allah.”

So your entire argument hinges on treating the label as if it changes the Essence of God. It doesn’t. God is not bound by one language. He revealed Himself using names people could understand within their own tongues.

As the Qur’an says: “And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people, to state clearly for them…” (Qur’an 14:4).

So the answer is straightforward: YES — the One True God, the Eternal, Self-Existent Creator, is the same Supreme Being that sent revelation to Israel, and the same One we call “Allah” today. Your error is acting as if your pronunciation or spelling in Hebrew gives you exclusive rights over Him. It doesn’t.

If you want a real discussion, stop fixating on transliterations and start asking whether you truly worship that One God alone, without partners, equals, or invented doctrines that contradict His Oneness. That’s the real test of sincerity.

my error? Okay what is the Arabic spelling of. YHVH Jehovah/Yahweh

Tell us, because you can't reply without your spirit of false accusations

Elijah means Yah is his God, not songo nor Buddha. If you agree that Yahweh is the one true God it means that the Tanakh is true and the revelations and prophecies in them are true, especially the book of Genesis which your Quran contradicts a lot of it.