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Gabrielshow24:
I will indeed bring proof, if you have forgotten or you hope to deny, I will bring it to the remembrance of all!

😂😆😂😆 if it after I have brought all the evidence that proves I am saying the truth you want to do this one 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂

Gabrielshow24:
Boomark didn't ask me to define God👀, why with the lies? I asked him to define God. If this strawman is the best you have then I can't help your ignorance!

Gohf, you can do better than this, don't be shallow. Cheap Strawman won't help your case! They only reveal your desperation!

yes I can do better at continually providing evidence. Guy we are just on earth imagine how it would be for you on that day when books containing every minute of your life would be opened

Gabrielshow24:
Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

🤣😂 is it that you cannot answer simple question or you don't understand what you read that you tagged them "reconciliation" 😂😂😆😆😆

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly drop the false accusation bit, you mentioned it earlier and you failed to make any point. Like I said, in my free time I peruse nairaland what aspect of that don't you understand?

I made my point and provided evidences, if you can deny something as simple as this it is no surprise on your opposite stand in view of the truth of the gospel.

It takes a honest man to admit the truth when faced with it, but are you such a man, have you shown yourself to be such? Hmmm 🤔

Gabrielshow24:
I am a busy person, in my spare time I peruse on Nairaland. Also, your response is not a tangible rebuttal, it doesn't address all the counter points I raised against your "thesis". You are just making an assertion without backing it up with substance. All your points i have refuted showing the world that they are self-refuting!

You won't respond to the counter points, you continue to delude yourself by saying we are lieing while yet everything we use as a basis is from scripture! You are the one that has formed a conclusion, a conclusion impervious to reason, scripture and logic!

you are a busy person then why do you roam around looking for whom to falsely accuse without any evidence and you justify yourself even when wrong?

Gabrielshow24:
This is where your finite wisdom ends. The bible is talking about the essence of God. If you and that your boss stood together, what separates you based on nature🤨? Don't you both have two hands, two legs, two eyes, presumably 👀?

By nature Jesus is God, he is one with the Father. By authority, the Father is greater than him! How's that hard to understand 🤨? Your analogy defeats you once again! 😂

Even the bible verse you quoted is contrary to your argument😂. Emphasis on "fullness" peradventure your finite wisdom missed it! 😅

to you God is an essence but the bible reveals God as a person, a being whom we have revelation with as with a Father, who's name to be honored and praised YHVH

Gabrielshow24:
Caught who? 🤨You haven't refuted anything I said, if Jesus said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" and someone else says "No man has seen God" then from your finite " wisdom" you conclude that Jesus is not God yet in the screenshots you used, "You posit that the words of Jesus are the words of God" 🤨indirectly shoo-ting yourself in the leg!

if Jesus is God according to you then did no one see him?
Then who lied and said no one has seen God when they had seen Jesus whom you believe to be God?

If the Hebrews saw an angel did they believe they had seen God? Yes or no? (Not because they believed that angel to be God Himself)

MightySparrow:
You are my mar brother. Around 1994, there was a JWs' publication: Do you Believe in Trinity (paraphrased). I just finished NYSC then. My own sibling, who was a witness gave me to read. Rather than asking him to explain, I turned to prayer about the subject. Then the answer came. God talked to me about it. The most salient point that got me disturbed was , the three agree in one going by the Awake of that month.
The answer I got:
1. If there was agreement, to what end?
2. If they don't agree what will happen?
I was afraid and didn't ask any further questions or bothered myself about it. I just believe.
After that, maybe on personal issues or doctrinal, I turn to God in prayer. I get answers. Sometimes audibly.

maximumSide can contribute to this. I read science related course and I am made to believe that a law of reality is repeatable. Like I contributeed in a maximumSide's topic, this is my personal truth in our community truth.

cc: maximumSide

that answer is correct God, his word and his spirit are all in agreement and when you ask about what, it is not that they are God's but about Jesus Christ of Nazareth son of the living God, they all testify that concerning him, who was born of Mary to have been sent by God, filled with the holy Spirit spoken about in scriptures that he fulfilled and lived while on earth and right now at the right hand of the Father

Boomark:
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Christ said it that ONLY Those Who Do The Will Of His Father will enter the kingdom of God. So if anyone is practicing Trinity that God never spoke of. That Christ never spoke of. That is not found anywhere in the bible, they are practicing lawlessness.

The have been deceived by the lawless one with signs and wonders done in their church. They think, since they did it in the name of Jesus then it is acceptable by God. They don't know that doing the will of God is great than any sign or wonder. All those who think they are defending Christ even after rejecting his words are clearly deceive by the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ESV
[9] The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels–[all of them] lying wonders–[10] And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.[11] Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,[12] In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

They have refused to take the truth from God which he spoke through Christ. The antichrist gave them trinity and they embraced it. They insult God who has given commands through Christ by their own foolish thoughts, that maybe God forgot to define trinity and that maybe the spirit of God forgot to inspire it as it should be.

They have all been deceived by the antichrist all those who go outside the scripture to borrow a name and define for themselves what they are practicing.

💯 you know when I read a response as if as I was the one that wrote it. That's how I feel right now.

I wish many more knew this as well but nevertheless it is well, those who have ears will hear

Boomark:
I don't like people who are deceitful. They are the ones that spread and believe in false doctrines. We have not even started and you are already acting deceitfully. I can't be fooled.

I never asked you if the scriptures I posted were correct. See the screenshots of how you started.


1. Did God the Father reveal anything different and opposite of the scriptures I posted to you?



Tell me if God the Father revealed anything opposite to you, simple.
I have emboldened the question incase you are not seeing it well.
If you can't understand simple questions, how then do you think you can understand what is written in the bible?

I caught Gabrielshow24 where he lied about what I posted, now you have started acting dishonestly. I don't discuss with dishonest people because they only tell lies and dodge questions.

I see boomark has already been asking you the same questions chibuezem, so care to share your revelation you received from God

Chibuezem:
Most of people who are against trinity, merely were taught by others. They never researched it spiritually by reaching out to God. I personally did my research and had experienced God's speaking and revelations before coming to a conclusion that Trinity is true. God the Father loved the world that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for our Sins on Earth and Give us the Holy spirit to manifest the Truth.

well I am not among that most, so don't assume that others didn't research or reach out to God.

Did God tell you that he is Jesus Christ? Because those of us who have actually seen God, saw the son of man as well and because of his revelation and leading we saw the one true God

MightySparrow:
Thanks brother. I have read the Bible severally and the arguments of the proponents of the Doctrine of Trinity as well as Jehovah's Witnesses of maximumSide, position and some historical facts about the subject.

I believe in Trinity.
Whatever it means is acceptable to me in it's entirety in all context, content, and intention.

you believe in a doctrine filled with so much confusion and variations and many don't even agree with their own definition of the term. You have built your faith not upon the rock but upon sand

Chibuezem:
The concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament is subtle yet evident through various passages and hints. While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly mentioned, several scriptures suggest a plurality within the Godhead.

KeyPassages:

- *Genesis 1:26*: God says, "Let us make mankind in our image," indicating a plural Godhead.
- *Genesis 19:24*: The Lord rains brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, suggesting two distinct persons within the Godhead.
- *Isaiah 48:16*: The Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent the speaker, hinting at the Trinity.
- *Psalm 45:6-7*: The throne of God is mentioned, and Hebrews 1:8-9 identifies this as referring to the Son.
- *Numbers 6:24-26*: The threefold repetition of God's name may allude to the Trinity.

*Other Hints:*

- *Plural terminology for God*: The Hebrew word "Elohim" is used, which is a plural form, yet often takes singular verbs, indicating a complex unity.
- *The Angel of the Lord*: This figure is described as God and receives worship, yet is distinct from God, foreshadowing the Trinity.
- *The Spirit of God*: Passages like Micah 3:8 and Isaiah 63:10-11 show the Spirit as a distinct person within the Godhead.
- The trisagion of Isaiah 6:3: The repetition of "holy" three times may reflect the triune nature of God ¹ ² ³.

Interpretation:

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for the doctrine of the Trinity, which is later revealed more fully in the New Testament. Understanding these passages requires careful consideration of the Hebrew language, cultural context, and theological themes .


A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

suggestion are open to personally interpretation like Peter wrote, 2Pet.1.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

If it's not by the Holy Spirit which revealed to Peter that Jesus is the son, not that he is God or another God, but the son of the living God.

In the Genesis 18& 19, you read and YHVH left yet Abraham was before YHVH, because the three angels represented his presence. Jacob saw the face of God, well he saw meet and wrestled with an angel. There are other numerous examples. It's like talking THROUGH your phone to someone, you are not speaking to the phone even though we can speak to our phones, make records and all that.


You are using hints that generations of Hebrew prophets before and after the coming of Jesus Christ interpreted as ONLY ONE GOD AND NONE OTHER, even David didn't call the Messiah YHVH but Adoni, the same term Sarah uses for her husband.

There's more to share but if this much you don't understand nor accept then none will be added to you even that which you have may be taken away.

God is God, he is who he is, let's not join those who which to destroy his personality by creating false personalities for him. 🙏🏾

Chibuezem:
what you posted

now are you a distinct person inseparable from God?
If no, then something separates you from the love of God?

If yes, then are you a child of God right?
Does a child of God lack his divine nature, attributes, and eternity?

If no, and as a child of God you have his nature and eternity, DOES THAT MAKE YOU GOD? YES OR NO

Chibuezem:
1)I didn't meditate or ask God concerning your post as He taught me through the scriptures concerning Trinity.
2) I believe in the words of Jesus Christ and the prophecy he confirmed as a servant of God.


My question to you is if God were to speak to you or teach you that trinity is true will you accept it?

did God teach you that he is Jesus Christ of Nazareth or that there is another God?

Explore2xmore:
We more likely wouldn't come to an agreement however consider that the relationship within the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit sharing the same essence, or homoousios, the scriptures hint at a hierarchy that deserves a closer look.

Take John 5:19, for instance, where it says, The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.

This verse really highlights how the Son relies on the Father, showing that Jesus is all about fulfilling the Father's will instead of acting on his own.

Then there's 1 Corinthians 11:3, which states, The head of Christ is God, pointing to an eternal order within the Godhead and suggesting that the Son continually submits to the Father's authority.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:28 talks about the Son eventually being subjected to the Father, reinforcing this hierarchical relationship that goes beyond just temporary circumstances.
And in John 14:28, when Jesus says, The Father is greater than I, it emphasizes the different roles even among those who are equal in essence. So, while the Trinity embodies unity in being, there’s definitely a clear order of authority at play. The highest being the One True God that everything including Jesus and the Holy spirit submit to.

💯 wonderfully put but what then do we say to those who change unity to mean equality?

An equality that negates the Father calling him his son and the son eternally being submissive to God, a submission he leads God's children into

armchairscholar:
Your passion for seeking truth in Scripture is clear, and I’m grateful for the opportunity to reflect on this together. The question of who God is and how Jesus relates to Him touches the heart of our faith, and it’s a topic that deserves careful thought and prayer. I hear the conviction in your words, and I want to respond with gentleness, as we’re called to in 1 Peter 3:15, to honor both the truth and the love that binds us as believers.

You’ve shared many verses that emphasize the Father as the one true God and Jesus as His servant, prophet, and priest. These roles of Jesus are beautiful truths in Scripture. He is indeed the Messiah, the one sent by the Father to reconcile us to Him, as you pointed out in passages like John 20:17 and Acts 2:36. His submission to the Father, as seen in John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:28, shows His humility and obedience, which are a model for us all. This reminds us of the deep love and unity between the Father and the Son, as Jesus prays for us to share in that oneness in John 17:22.

At the same time, I’d encourage us to consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further. Scripture also speaks of Jesus in ways that suggest a unique divine role, such as John 1:1, where He is called the Word who was with God and was God. This doesn’t mean we ignore the Father’s supremacy, as you rightly emphasize, but it invites us to wrestle with how Jesus shares in God’s glory while remaining subject to the Father. The early church, through much prayer and struggle, sought to understand this balance, as we see in historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, where believers wrestled with these truths to guard against error.

I don’t say this to argue but to encourage us to keep seeking God’s heart together. The Bible calls us to humility and love in our pursuit of truth, as Philippians 2:2 reminds us to be “like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.” Let’s hold fast to the Father as the one true God, honor Jesus as His chosen Son and servant, and trust the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, as John 16:13 promises.

If you’re struggling with these ideas, I’d suggest praying through them with an open heart, perhaps using some of the powerful prayers found in Scripture to seek clarity and peace. Let’s keep this conversation rooted in love and a shared desire to know God more deeply.

When you say scripture speaks in a suggestive way, you mean there was no clarification or clarity but based on some persons interpretation. Should the gospels speak in mystery when it is a revelation, I don't believe so. When there is contradiction it's either the speaker is lying or a person understands it wrongly. Contradictions like there is only one God, Jesus saying and teaching that only the Father is God, become contradictory when an author of confusion comes into play like he did with Psalm 91.

So do we need to "consider the mystery of God’s nature a bit further." Instead of the considering the REVELATION of God's nature especially when the so called mystery contradicts God's revelation of Himself?

When you speak of historical gatherings like the Council of Nicaea, have you done a deep dive into what historically happened to a young accepted the shallow surface record of it. Do you know what they did to those who believed that only God is God, there's a spirit behind that action and it was not of God.

In the spirit of love, we are still expected NOT to love the world or things of the world, NOT to love money, Mammon nor human lies and wickedness. We cannot in the spirit of love accept errors for the truth is to be spoken in love and if we indeed love you why should we lie to you

Gabrielshow24:
Are you answering him? 😂He can't even define the concept called "God"! He is here positing that Jesus is not God. These are the kind of people that quote scriptures without taking context. The same John that wrote that verse, also wrote in revelation about seeing the ancient of days and the lamb. Prophets of old wrote of their visions seeing the ancient of days yet someone takes from a verse, "no man has seen God" and uses it as a conclusion that The prophet of old didn't see God and Jesus saying "whosoever that sees him as seen God" has also said rubbish 😂😂😂!

You can imagine the mental incompetence, shouldn't wisdom not tell him that the "seeing" there warrants a different context 👀. He even forgot the ending clause, "the son hath revealed him to us" 😂😂😂.

There's no matter, his arguments are self defeating!

boomark see this one quoting steep, steep at least you can see this one referring to God as a "concept" and not a person. Boomark when you asked him to define God, did show24 give a performance or he went dancing around accusing you of not answering things he imagined and filmed in his own mind?

Boomark:
My brother. The way they l_ie and dodge questions shows they are doing the work of the antichrist.

it doesn't surprise me anymore, they are like Muslims in that regard

Steep:
The Roman catholic church is right in some things and wrong in others. In other to sieve the right ones from the wrong ones all you need is the Bible.
For example the Roman catholic church is right in teaching the commandment but wrong in ommiting one of them which is the commandment against idols.
They are are right about the trinity but wrong in veneration of Mary and other saints and also some of their teachings concerning Mary.
So you are disingenuous by trying to condemn the trinity doctrine because the Roman catholic church teaches it not because the scripture itself supports the doctrine of the trinity.

Jesus said be careful of their yeast, did he not? You either listen to Jesus or you don't. 🙏🏾 You have heard the truth either accept it or reject it by convincing yourself to be right.

Gabrielshow24:
I hope by now, after months of research work, you should have come up with the right proper model that God didn't just attain wisdom at the beginning 😂as you wanted us to believe 🤦🏾‍♂️.

I hope this version of gohf is better than that previous version that didn't even understand the concept of transcendency🤨!

again when and where did we ever have this conversation please kindly show us, all this proves what I wrote about you accusing others wrongly, do you enjoy it?

Gabrielshow24:
😂Did you even read the discourse before you fetched a post with the phrase "This is false accusation"? If you did, kindly provide an answer. Did I accuse him falsely?

Even the blind can see that boomark asserts I lied even with convincing evidence against his stance 🤨, I am not moved by this. You aim to deceive people but you have failed!

you haven't once ever proved who I deceived yet you continuously show that you enjoy accusing others without evidence, you asked for where you false accused someone of course I brought it out, not surprised that you deny it. If you ever admitted that you ever falsely accused someone then you would be honest wouldn't you.

If you don't want to move don't, I could care less honestly

Gabrielshow24:
Nice dichotomy 🤨. It still doesn't change the fact that you have failed to even establish a base definition for the term called "God" 😂. You should focus on that!

your monotony sophistry in accusing me without prove is evident here, where did I engage you or tell you I will define God for you that you jump to judge others a failure?

Gabrielshow24:
Where have I falsely accused anyone? Even this wise dude 👀continually sh.oots himself in the leg when he tries to prove I accused him falsely 🧐.

Evidence below 👇🏾

FxMasterz:
This does not negate the fact that angels are created for specific purposes. There are sick angels for whom Christ never died. Think about it.



But where did you see me insinuate that service is a form of gratification? This is false accusation.

Angels are specifically created for specific purposes. Man is created as a being capable of relationship with God. Not for specific purposes like a robot.

Gabrielshow24:
Whatsoever my Father has not planted will be uprooted! 👀 Matt15:13 Such is the way for all those that labour in va.ni-ty!

which father is your own, the Father of lies or the Father of Jesus Christ

Gabrielshow24:
You are quite conceited in your abilities. I am not begging for discussion, I am starting a discourse. You just poured out 'ocum, mashed them up together, gave them your own flow then called it "destroyed"😂😂😂.

The fact shows you can't even answer a simple question, the definition of the concept called God. Your verses also justify the trinity but I won't start this conversation without you defining what you understand by the concept called God. It's the basic essence of this discussion as all offshoot revolves around the Godship of the Son! Something even verified by The Father.

You are probably just a child too excited to think deeply. If you want to sit at the grown-up table kindly provide a response else it's just a facade!

lol you think you are grown up, 😂 Gabriel when did you grow up?

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God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of His mother, born into the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man, of a reasonable Soul and human Flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood. Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but One Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into Flesh, but by taking of the Manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by Unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one Man, so God and Man is one Christ. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into Hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.

Continuation of the Athanasian Creed:

So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not Three Gods, but One God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not Three Lords but One Lord. For, like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, there be Three Gods or Three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and of the Son neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.