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Gabrielshow24:
Even when you see God's nature being attributed to Jesus, you consistently turn the blind eye. You even reduced Jesus to a telephone 😂, what wisdom!

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Chibuezem:
yes I did
Unless you are expecting something else from me. I can only give what I have.

no o, I am not expecting anything other than the truth, but right now I am nothing expecting such from you

Here is your question and answer, enjoy it

"You are asking if God the Father told me that He is Jesus Christ right?

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit are of one essence but different personalities that cannot be separated from each other.
God the Father created us
God the Son saved us from our sins, dying on the Cross.
God the Holy spirit reveals to us the truth keeping us in the path of salvation and perfecting us into a church without spot nor wrinkle."

You could not even clearly say oh yes God did or no God did not, that subtlety is not from God

When rccg is so focused on growing number of churches that they do mass ordination laying hands on numerous heads with many thieves included what do you expect, this one is just one she revealed out of the many. Yet they won't stop appointing vagabonds and expect people to trust those called rccg pastors. Forget South Africa even some of the ones here are something else

Chibuezem:
If you are talking of being equal to God then No there's is an order of creation
God (Father, Son, Holy spirit)
Man
Angels
Animals
Plants
Etc
Sharing his nature and eternity makes me manifest whatever My father had planned for me.
Jesus Christ was God even before He came in human flesh to die for my sins
Philippians 2:5-10 NLT - 5 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to.
7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges;
he took the humble position of a slave
and was born as a human being.
When he appeared in human form,
8 he humbled himself in obedience to God
and died a criminal’s death on a cross.
9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor
and gave him the name above all other names,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Philippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus, who, being in God's nature, did not desire nor consider himself to be equal with God but neutralized his human nature, having taken in the likenesss of men, was born, formed and found as a man, he humbled himself becoming obedient even to death, the death of crucification.

This reveals the nature that was in Jesus that gave him the humble mindset he had, the nature that prevails over the flesh. How was Jesus discovered, how was he found, heuretheis, he wasn't formed into a God but into a man and is a man.

This falls in line with the previous verses 2:1-4 where we should think about others and not just about ourselves, a mind that isn't filled with selfish ambition but is humble.


That is why later Paul writes, in Phil.2.13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

The nature of God in a child of God brings about such mindset and humility.

Phil.2.13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. (NIV)


Paul is using Jesus as an example of obedience and reward from God. And example Jesus was sent to be to us by God who put his nature in him.

Chibuezem:
You are separating God's personalities. I will tell him because He said so 😁 and it is also written in the scriptures and I've applied His speaking in my life and experienced positive changes.

Num.23.19a God is not a man, that he should lie. He is not a human, that he should change his mind...

sholatech:
Great compilation- but you captured only the Pentecostal churches. How about CMS church and Church of Assumption Falomo Ikoyi?

yea especially that church of assumption ikoyi.

Steep:
John 1:1 said the word was God. That makes the word God, why do you guys avoid this part, be honest with yourselves.
Jesus describe his persistence using "I am" which is God's name in the old testament. A name that denotes God's eternal being.

so to you I am means God? So if I say I am gohf, it means God gohf?

Anyway we are getting somewhere you have gone from Jesus is God to the word was God, but steep I seriously have zero interest in having this conversation with you again, you can view my topics to understand John 1:1 theos en ho logos

Go and find out what the Hebrews which John was, understood the logos to mean

In grammatical terms both theos and logo are subject terms, do you understand what that means, anyway like I said I have zero interest, I have told you the truth you refused it, so leave it like that. Try reading that phrase in context, okay, if you can try that praise God. Bye

Chibuezem:
I have answered his question already. The revelation is personal but concludes that trinity is true 😁 Oya bash me.
The truth is my revelation from God cannot convince you enough compared to the one that God will give you. All you need to do is to ask with openness of the heart and He will reveal all things through the Holyspirit who is the teacher and comforter 😊

which one is oya bash you, is that how little you think of my intent to ask you, bro calm down.

Even if God gives a revelation you need to have the right interpretation and understanding of it, that's why the Holy Spirit teaches and what he teaches doesn't contradict God's word and nature:love.

Gabrielshow24:
The number of people, what number of people?
You are being deceitful, I asked for the ontological and epistemological definition of God, you couldn't provide. This is just damage control to save face! It's really fu-tile, at this point all can see why you can't offer the definition because it negates your stance!

Even a baby can use your definition against you and you are aware of it😂. Step up your game gohf, you are a let-off!

God asserts he is the first and the last, Jesus said the same thing. Even from scripture, all your definitions fall short. Jesus will always fit your definition of God no matter how you define it!

"Step up your game"
We encounter people like this, who think it's all fun and games because your salvation is a joke to them, this conversation is just entertainment to them.

MaxInDHouse:
Please! Please!! Please!!!

Remove my name from the list of those you are calling for your argument in the absence of any organized group doing what Jesus called God's will just count me out.

Thanks!

even if for one minute you could behave as a child of God and not as a propaganda for your religion maybe I would look at you differently but this is how your heart really is, it affects how you see things and how you react to things. Look Max I won't apologize to you for telling you the truth and rejecting your false approach initially, at least have the humility to hide in the background when you were not specifically mentioned, you don't have to have the need to make it about you when it is not.

Steep:
When I asked you question you dodge and hide, John 1:1 called Jesus God, if you like bury your head in the sand, it doesn't change the truth.

is that what you felt I did?

John 1:1 never called Jesus God but you claim it did. theos en ho logos is what is written there and not Jesus is God but steep you have never listened to the truth so why should I waste my time telling it to you, it's not the first time we have conversed but you feel satisfied to believe I buried my head in the sand. Okay I agree I did, enjoy, say it Everytime you speak of me, feel proud about it let it give you joy and peace ✌🏾

Gabrielshow24:
The number of people, what number of people?
You are being deceitful, I asked for the ontological and epistemological definition of God, you couldn't provide. This is just damage control to save face! It's really fu-tile, at this point all can see why you can't offer the definition because it negates your stance!

Even a baby can use your definition against you and you are aware of it😂. Step up your game gohf, you are a let-off!

God asserts he is the first and the last, Jesus said the same thing. Even from scripture, all your definitions fall short. Jesus will always fit your definition of God no matter how you define it!

guy you are viewing me through your eyes and personality, I am not you, my wisdom is different from yours don't forget the James I shared with you. I have no face to save leave those this for those who are proud and ambitious.

Look Jesus said in Matthew 11:25 he has hidden this from the likes of you and revealed it to the babes that give such definition, because to enter the kingdom of God is to enter as a little child.

gohf:
Okay let me answer you and break your back and forth, God is God, the Most High God, the sovereign and only true God, the one who was and he and is to come, the LORD YHVH Almighty, the beginning and the end, the creator of all, the source of all, who formed the light and brought forth his spirit, who formed wisdom and established the foundation of the earth, the one who is eternal and never dying, never died and cannot die. God who is merciful and gracious, compassionate and just, rewarding and judging according to his own will, appointing establishing, pulling down and making strong any he wishes. The one who resides above the heavens, to whom the heaven is his throne and the earth a footstool, whose voice thunders across the universe, who dwells in unapproachable light, the consuming fire whose eyes, Spirit and presence is everywhere, the all knowing God, the covenant keeping God, we call upon his name YHVH and he saves us, he gave us his son Jesus Christ and eternal covenant and promise to redeem us back to himself. From the beginning and even beyond, he alone is God and there is none like Him.

Gabrielshow24 I call the heavens as witness and those on nairaland that I have "defined to you who God is" he is not a what but a who, not an essence but a person

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I stand before God's record and those here that I have said who God revealed himself to be and let it count for me on the day of judgement.

Gabrielshow24:
Why are you always talking off point? Even if you failed to see my quotes where I asked you to define God, the world can see that thus you have no excuse! I have brought proof to dismiss your allusions that "you didn't evade my questions" and "I falsely accused you about that". Also, to what end is this snide remark? It doesn't redeem your image of being a l.iar!

Even the picture doesn't answer or add anything tangible to the problem statement of boomark. You should really think before you type—It's become a de_bacle!

Okay let me answer you and break your back and forth, God is God, the Most High God, the sovereign and only true God, the one who was and he and is to come, the LORD YHVH Almighty, the beginning and the end, the creator of all, the source of all, who formed the light and brought forth his spirit, who formed wisdom and established the foundation of the earth, the one who is eternal and never dying, never died and cannot die. God who is merciful and gracious, compassionate and just, rewarding and judging according to his own will, appointing establishing, pulling down and making strong any he wishes. The one who resides above the heavens, to whom the heaven is his throne and the earth a footstool, whose voice thunders across the universe, who dwells in unapproachable light, the consuming fire whose eyes, Spirit and presence is everywhere, the all knowing God, the covenant keeping God, we call upon his name YHVH and he saves us, he gave us his son Jesus Christ and eternal covenant and promise to redeem us back to himself. From the beginning and even beyond, he alone is God and there is none like Him.

Gabrielshow24:
Gohf, the liar. Looking for cheap scripts to sell.
Here are various instances that I have asked you to define the ontological or epistemological definition of God. If you like deny😂.







I don't accuse people falsely, I am not gohf nor boomark. I back up my conversation with facts. I consider all sides of things before coming to a reasonable conclusion! Since all this while he hasn't given a definition 😂! By their fruits you shall know them!

https://www.nairaland.com/post/134443282

anyone who reads that can see the answer I gave you, meanwhile did you not reject it looking for an unscriptural response 😂

God introduced Himself, saying He is who He is

Who is God, God is God. You can keep looking for what does not exist. You can keep claiming that this statement is a lie all you want, but that is that conversation and this is this.

You accused me of not answering you, but I did
You accused me yet you didn't answer any question I asked you, you focused on creating something to accuse others for, the number of people that say this to you on nairaland should be alarming. Please repent and change your ways

Chibuezem:
You are asking if God the Father told me that He is Jesus Christ right?

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit are of one essence but different personalities that cannot be separated from each other.
God the Father created us
God the Son saved us from our sins, dying on the Cross.
God the Holy spirit reveals to us the truth keeping us in the path of salvation and perfecting us into a church without spot nor wrinkle.

read this yourself and tell the truth, did you answer the question?

Chibuezem:
Jesus christ is not a false personality of God neither is the Holyspirit.
John ch 1 :1 to 14 reveals this
In the beginning was the Word (Jesus christ was the Word of God) and the Word was with God (Jesus was with God the Father) and the Word was God (Jesus christ was God) the same was in the beginning with God (Jesus was with God in the beginning) etc

this is your response to this

"suggestion are open to personally interpretation like Peter wrote, 2Pet.1.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

If it's not by the Holy Spirit which revealed to Peter that Jesus is the son, not that he is God or another God, but the son of the living God.

In the Genesis 18& 19, you read and YHVH left yet Abraham was before YHVH, because the three angels represented his presence. Jacob saw the face of God, well he saw meet and wrestled with an angel. There are other numerous examples. It's like talking THROUGH your phone to someone, you are not speaking to the phone even though we can speak to our phones, make records and all that.


You are using hints that generations of Hebrew prophets before and after the coming of Jesus Christ interpreted as ONLY ONE GOD AND NONE OTHER, even David didn't call the Messiah YHVH but Adoni, the same term Sarah uses for her husband.

There's more to share but if this much you don't understand nor accept then none will be added to you even that which you have may be taken away.

God is God, he is who he is, let's not join those who which to destroy his personality by creating false personalities for him. 🙏🏾"

👀

Chibuezem:
I don't understand your question here can you explain better
I Chibuezem was birthed by my parents having two nature's physical (flesh) and spiritual (soul and spirit) . Spiritual will go back to God for judgment while the flesh will rot away. On becoming born again the word of God was planted in me to Host the spirit of God transforming my spiritman into the image and likeness of God as it was in the beginning. Through the word and spirit of God in me I have become a citizen of the kingdom of God to inherit the earth for his glory and ascend into the new earth.
I don't know if I answered the question sha ping me

does being a child of God, sharing his nature and eternity make you God? Yes or no

Chibuezem:
God the Father though his spirit revealed to me that He is one with His Son Jesus Christ 😂😂😂
Oya ask me again

God being one with his son, doesn't mean he is Jesus.
Jesus being one with the church doesn't mean the church is Jesus Christ though some churches want to Lord over people but that's not the case.

So even God did not tell you that Jesus is God, now when we all meet God what would you tell him was your reason for believing that he God is Jesus Christ

Gabrielshow24:
Are you comparing me to your Father? What do you want him to say? Who by the way is Jesus' Father? Was he not born of a virgin birth? 🤨

Don't you reason at all? The Jews that crucified him understood the underlying concept but some nairaland genius', wrong choice of word🤔...More befitting will be "wise😂", says otherwise!

please look at the picture clearly another one of the many evidences yet you haven't brought one out even though you proclaimed that you would, hope you enjoyed reading through my posts 😁😀

MightySparrow:
Which of the main doctrines of the Christian Faith is not confusion so to speak: the virgin conception of Jesus? His atoning death? His resurrection?, His ascension? His promise of coming back? Resurrection of the dead? New birth?

Everything in Christianity is not logical in the actual sense. If I believe in all above, why can't I believe in a triune God?

Well wasn't speaking nor did I write about it being logical or making carnal logically sense but about having to be truthful and not filled with confusion and contradictions which are false when compared to the scriptures revealed from Genesis to the end. God is not inconsistent nor does he change his word, such infringement isn't of God but human, calling it new revelation or new mysteries and we have to be careful especially when it has to do with who Jesus is. Imagine if someone told you a stone is Jesus just because he referred to himself as foundation or living stone, does that now mean you should worship a stone?

So who Jesus is has to be clear, the way to God has to be clear for people to identify it and walk into it and follow it. Now if someone doesn't want people to go to God then obviously they bring above distractions and confusions.

Who did God say Jesus is, he is my son, who did Jesus say he is, I am the son of God. Clarity, no ambiguity nor indirect terms, even the apostles wrote and spoke on this. Tests the spirits that they testify that Jesus came in flesh, was a human, and not that he was a god.

There's no place in the common new testament text that requires anyone to believe that Jesus is God for them to be saved.

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't answer the question on ground. You are just looking for diversionary tactics. You failed to understand context. If you failed in just one verse imagine the rest where you have mis-intrepreted!

The scriptures well explains this that he took the form of God, He became flesh. He honored his Father in flesh and the Father honored him just as himself. What more do you want?

He gave indirect evidences not just claiming "I am God" for his divinity and equality with God!
It's even well documented that Jesus spoke in parables intentionally to obscure meanings exemplifying it later to his disciples!

As usual, you are selling cheap script! We take the fullness of scripture not just cherry-picking.

what kind of god cannot directly state that he is God 😂😂, "he gave indirect evidence". 🤣 Jesus was very direct about who he is when he needed to be, and kept quiet about it for much of the time as he wasn't announcing himself and when he did he was VERY CLEAR, I AM THE SON OF GOD. GUY JESUS WASN'T AFRAID TO CLEARLY SAY THE TRUTH REPEATEDLY.

Stop this your failed here and failed there when you are clearly ignoring the verses and claiming it doesn't answer the question on ground 😀😁😁 you don't even know the question on ground you just want to feel like some examiner testing people and telling them they failed just like Lucifer does😀😁 🤣

Gabrielshow24:
It's a reconciliation because it tends to explain two seemingly contradictory verses but it fails outright.

Not even you can say Jesus lied! What then are you probing for? Even in science the human mind can't process more than three dimensions and yet you want them to be able to parse an infinite dimensioned God. Jesus saying that is True because he is the 3-D depiction of God that the brain can parse. No one can see God in the infinite-D form we can't parse it!

What aspect of this don't you understand? When the biblical writers wrote such they expected the audience to understand the context and not sell cheap scripts online!

If truly your posit is right, kindly assert that Jesus is wrong? You can't! This is where your wisdom is found wanting again!

"not even me can say" guy you're are so right finally you attempted to say something true, I can never say Jesus lied but don't you call Jesus a liar when you do not agree with his words

John.17.3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Mark.12.32 So the scribe said to Him, "Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.

John.5.44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

Matt.23.9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

Mark.13.32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

John.8.54 - Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.

John.20.17 - Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God."'


If I continue I may end up quoting the whole new testament gospels 😂 😆 😂

From James.3.13 - "If you are wise and understand God's ways, live a life of steady goodness so that only good deeds will pour forth... if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your hearts, don't brag about being wise. That is the worst kind of lie. That is not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, demonic and motivated by the Devil.

For wherever there is jealousy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and every kind of evil.

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no partiality and is always sincere."

Gabrielshow24:
I will indeed bring proof, if you have forgotten or you hope to deny, I will bring it to the remembrance of all!

😂😆😂😆 if it after I have brought all the evidence that proves I am saying the truth you want to do this one 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣😂

Gabrielshow24:
Boomark didn't ask me to define God👀, why with the lies? I asked him to define God. If this strawman is the best you have then I can't help your ignorance!

Gohf, you can do better than this, don't be shallow. Cheap Strawman won't help your case! They only reveal your desperation!

yes I can do better at continually providing evidence. Guy we are just on earth imagine how it would be for you on that day when books containing every minute of your life would be opened

Gabrielshow24:
Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

🤣😂 is it that you cannot answer simple question or you don't understand what you read that you tagged them "reconciliation" 😂😂😆😆😆

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly drop the false accusation bit, you mentioned it earlier and you failed to make any point. Like I said, in my free time I peruse nairaland what aspect of that don't you understand?

I made my point and provided evidences, if you can deny something as simple as this it is no surprise on your opposite stand in view of the truth of the gospel.

It takes a honest man to admit the truth when faced with it, but are you such a man, have you shown yourself to be such? Hmmm 🤔

Gabrielshow24:
I am a busy person, in my spare time I peruse on Nairaland. Also, your response is not a tangible rebuttal, it doesn't address all the counter points I raised against your "thesis". You are just making an assertion without backing it up with substance. All your points i have refuted showing the world that they are self-refuting!

You won't respond to the counter points, you continue to delude yourself by saying we are lieing while yet everything we use as a basis is from scripture! You are the one that has formed a conclusion, a conclusion impervious to reason, scripture and logic!

you are a busy person then why do you roam around looking for whom to falsely accuse without any evidence and you justify yourself even when wrong?

Gabrielshow24:
This is where your finite wisdom ends. The bible is talking about the essence of God. If you and that your boss stood together, what separates you based on nature🤨? Don't you both have two hands, two legs, two eyes, presumably 👀?

By nature Jesus is God, he is one with the Father. By authority, the Father is greater than him! How's that hard to understand 🤨? Your analogy defeats you once again! 😂

Even the bible verse you quoted is contrary to your argument😂. Emphasis on "fullness" peradventure your finite wisdom missed it! 😅

to you God is an essence but the bible reveals God as a person, a being whom we have revelation with as with a Father, who's name to be honored and praised YHVH

Gabrielshow24:
Caught who? 🤨You haven't refuted anything I said, if Jesus said "he that has seen me has seen the Father" and someone else says "No man has seen God" then from your finite " wisdom" you conclude that Jesus is not God yet in the screenshots you used, "You posit that the words of Jesus are the words of God" 🤨indirectly shoo-ting yourself in the leg!

if Jesus is God according to you then did no one see him?
Then who lied and said no one has seen God when they had seen Jesus whom you believe to be God?

If the Hebrews saw an angel did they believe they had seen God? Yes or no? (Not because they believed that angel to be God Himself)

MightySparrow:
You are my mar brother. Around 1994, there was a JWs' publication: Do you Believe in Trinity (paraphrased). I just finished NYSC then. My own sibling, who was a witness gave me to read. Rather than asking him to explain, I turned to prayer about the subject. Then the answer came. God talked to me about it. The most salient point that got me disturbed was , the three agree in one going by the Awake of that month.
The answer I got:
1. If there was agreement, to what end?
2. If they don't agree what will happen?
I was afraid and didn't ask any further questions or bothered myself about it. I just believe.
After that, maybe on personal issues or doctrinal, I turn to God in prayer. I get answers. Sometimes audibly.

maximumSide can contribute to this. I read science related course and I am made to believe that a law of reality is repeatable. Like I contributeed in a maximumSide's topic, this is my personal truth in our community truth.

cc: maximumSide

that answer is correct God, his word and his spirit are all in agreement and when you ask about what, it is not that they are God's but about Jesus Christ of Nazareth son of the living God, they all testify that concerning him, who was born of Mary to have been sent by God, filled with the holy Spirit spoken about in scriptures that he fulfilled and lived while on earth and right now at the right hand of the Father