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Ken4Christ:
Jesus collects 100%. He said we should sell all that we have and give alms. So, the one who gives such instruction could not be condemning tithe.

What we should focus on is the administration and not the collection.

Ken4Christ:
Tithing is the least commitment demanded from a child God. Any commitment less than Tithing puts you in the category of a rich fool

Dogalmighty17:
OP going by your list, you have described ALL Nigerian pastors. Which is why these days I just stay at home on Sundays. I found out that church uses people and takes advantage of them.

Steep:
Actually there are evidences in the Bible that shows eternal security is true. The hyper grace teaching is actually license and has nothing to do with the grace of Jesus christ which lead to shun fleshly lost and pursue Godly life.

MaxInDHouse:
You are one of them!

funkemary:
Technology has made it so easy for us. Sometimes even if I'm with my bible in the church, instead of opening the bible I still bring out my phone and read through it.

I hope this is not a sin

ebubeson:
The first question I will ask is: are you ashamed of carrying physical paper Bible to Church? If you have electronic bible on your device, do you use it to Church because you are ashamed in carrying physical paper Bible or you just use it because of easy and convenience? Lastly, do you go to church totally without any form of Bible?

If you feel carrying physical paper Bible will affect your swagger then you are ashamed of Jesus Christ.

Please tell Jesus to forgive you for being ashamed of Him and for all sins you have committed, and let Him come into your life today in Jesus name. Amen.

Happy Sunday to you. Visit a bible-believing church today.

JimRohn:
Thank you for your honesty in acknowledging that Jesus never explicitly said the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being. This is precisely the point I am raising.

From an Islamic perspective, we affirm that true monotheism (Tawheed) must be based on clear, unambiguous teachings from God's messengers. If the doctrine of the Trinity—which defines God as three co-equal, co-eternal persons—is such a fundamental tenet of Christian faith, then it is reasonable to ask for explicit statements from Jesus himself affirming this.

If Jesus never said that the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being, then the formulation of the Trinity appears to be a later theological development, not a direct teaching of Christ. That raises an important question: should central doctrines about God's nature be based on theological interpretation, or on the direct, clear words of God's prophets?

As Muslims, we respect Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God, and we follow what he clearly taught: the worship of the One true God. If he never claimed divinity for the Holy Spirit or described God as triune, then we have every reason to remain with the pure monotheism he preached.

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JimRohn:
Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

JimRohn:
Yes! In my responses, I strive to remain firmly rooted in Islamic teachings while offering thoughtful insights into complex theological and philosophical matters.

jimrohn continues his answers to gohf's reply, hope you remember the reply and what it contain: 4. Original Sin & Human Nature in Islam — Distorted Understanding Islam categorically rejects the doctrine of inherited sin. Every soul is born pure (fitrah) and accountable only for their own actions: > "No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another." (Qur’an 6:164) We sin not because we are born evil, but because we are given free will and a lower self (nafs) to struggle against. Unlike Christian doctrine, we don’t see sin as a genetic curse but as a test. As for the first sin—it was Iblis, not Adam. He disobeyed Allah by refusing to bow. Read Qur’an 2:34. Your question is answered by the very book you’re trying to challenge. 5. Elevation of Prophets — Clarified Prophets are elevated in responsibility and rank, not in worship or honor that breaches the bounds of monotheism. Muhammad ﷺ is the seal of the prophets (Qur’an 33:40), but we do not set up competitions of divinity like the Trinity doctrines you are clearly more familiar with. 6. “All will be thrown into Hell” — Misquoted and Misunderstood You are referring to a hadith or interpretation you have not understood. Yes, people will pass over Hell (Qur’an 19:71), but the righteous will be saved. Adam was forgiven. Your question about him being in Hell shows blatant ignorance of basic Qur'anic theology. Again, if you want to quote, do your homework. 7. Mary, Aisha, and Historical Honesty You accuse Muslims of projecting modern morality into the past, but you did it first with your ridicule of Aisha’s age. The reality is, both Islamic and Christian history contain cultural norms you would never accept today. Don’t weaponize historical context when it suits you, and then call others pathetic for pointing out yours. Also, your Bible is silent on Mary’s age, and ancient Jewish culture married young. If it troubles you now, that’s a modern problem—not a scriptural one. 8. Did Jesus Complete His Mission? You said: “Was his mission interrupted?” Then answer this: If he was crucified (as you believe) and will return again (as Christians also believe), was the first visit sufficient or not? Islam holds he will return—not to "complete a failed mission," but to fulfill divine decree. That’s a very different paradigm. If your Christ succeeded, why is he coming back? Be consistent.

3. “You can’t claim completeness without knowing the former books” — Strawman

You confuse the completeness of revelation with the memorization of past texts. The Qur’an affirms that the final revelation is self-contained and self-sufficient:

> "This day I have perfected for you your religion..." (Qur’an 5:3)

The Prophet ﷺ did not need to study corrupted scriptures to bring the truth. Revelation comes from the Source, not from books edited by human hands.

4. Original Sin & Human Nature in Islam — Distorted Understanding

Islam categorically rejects the doctrine of inherited sin. Every soul is born pure (fitrah) and accountable only for their own actions:

> "No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another." (Qur’an 6:164)

We sin not because we are born evil, but because we are given free will and a lower self (nafs) to struggle against. Unlike Christian doctrine, we don’t see sin as a genetic curse but as a test.

As for the first sin—it was Iblis, not Adam. He disobeyed Allah by refusing to bow. Read Qur’an 2:34. Your question is answered by the very book you’re trying to challenge.

jimrohn's reply now begins from where gohf told Jimrohn that a university graduate who faced exams would realize you failed this question, remember he didn't give a respond to what gohf said before this. now the first part of jimrohn's response: Your barrage of rhetorical accusations and theological missteps betrays more heat than light. While you posture as if delivering a cross-examination, your actual argumentation reveals a profound misunderstanding of Islam, its epistemology, and its principles. So let me respond point by point—with clarity, directness, and without the diplomatic softening you clearly neither respect nor understand. 1. “You failed the question”—False Premise You claim the question was whether we honor one prophet more than another. Islam is not Christianity, and unlike your framework where Christ’s elevation necessitates a demotion of others, Islam teaches prophetic hierarchy within the bounds of respect, not at the expense of any prophet's honor. Allah says: > "These are the messengers; We have made some exceed others. Among them are those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in rank." (Qur’an 2:253) Yes, Muhammad ﷺ is the final and greatest Prophet, but that does not entail a dishonor to Jesus, peace be upon him. Your assumption that hierarchy equals dishonor is your theological baggage, not ours. And if you are incapable of distinguishing between reverence and worship, that is your own confusion—not ours to bear. 2. “You can’t answer without referencing Christianity” — Misguided Critique You brought up theological comparisons, so don’t recoil when we answer on those terms. Islam is the final revelation, and by definition, it clarifies and corrects what came before. That necessitates engaging with prior scriptures. Islam doesn't emerge in a vacuum—it refines and seals the Abrahamic message. Qur'an 5:48 makes this clear: > "To you We revealed the Scripture in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and as a criterion over it... If you bring Christianity into the room, don't complain when it's critically addressed