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funkemary:
Technology has made it so easy for us. Sometimes even if I'm with my bible in the church, instead of opening the bible I still bring out my phone and read through it.

I hope this is not a sin

ebubeson:
The first question I will ask is: are you ashamed of carrying physical paper Bible to Church? If you have electronic bible on your device, do you use it to Church because you are ashamed in carrying physical paper Bible or you just use it because of easy and convenience? Lastly, do you go to church totally without any form of Bible?

If you feel carrying physical paper Bible will affect your swagger then you are ashamed of Jesus Christ.

Please tell Jesus to forgive you for being ashamed of Him and for all sins you have committed, and let Him come into your life today in Jesus name. Amen.

Happy Sunday to you. Visit a bible-believing church today.

JimRohn:
Thank you for your honesty in acknowledging that Jesus never explicitly said the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being. This is precisely the point I am raising.

From an Islamic perspective, we affirm that true monotheism (Tawheed) must be based on clear, unambiguous teachings from God's messengers. If the doctrine of the Trinity—which defines God as three co-equal, co-eternal persons—is such a fundamental tenet of Christian faith, then it is reasonable to ask for explicit statements from Jesus himself affirming this.

If Jesus never said that the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being, then the formulation of the Trinity appears to be a later theological development, not a direct teaching of Christ. That raises an important question: should central doctrines about God's nature be based on theological interpretation, or on the direct, clear words of God's prophets?

As Muslims, we respect Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God, and we follow what he clearly taught: the worship of the One true God. If he never claimed divinity for the Holy Spirit or described God as triune, then we have every reason to remain with the pure monotheism he preached.

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JimRohn:
Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

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JimRohn:
Yes! In my responses, I strive to remain firmly rooted in Islamic teachings while offering thoughtful insights into complex theological and philosophical matters.

jimrohn continues his answers to gohf's reply, hope you remember the reply and what it contain: 4. Original Sin & Human Nature in Islam — Distorted Understanding Islam categorically rejects the doctrine of inherited sin. Every soul is born pure (fitrah) and accountable only for their own actions: > "No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another." (Qur’an 6:164) We sin not because we are born evil, but because we are given free will and a lower self (nafs) to struggle against. Unlike Christian doctrine, we don’t see sin as a genetic curse but as a test. As for the first sin—it was Iblis, not Adam. He disobeyed Allah by refusing to bow. Read Qur’an 2:34. Your question is answered by the very book you’re trying to challenge. 5. Elevation of Prophets — Clarified Prophets are elevated in responsibility and rank, not in worship or honor that breaches the bounds of monotheism. Muhammad ﷺ is the seal of the prophets (Qur’an 33:40), but we do not set up competitions of divinity like the Trinity doctrines you are clearly more familiar with. 6. “All will be thrown into Hell” — Misquoted and Misunderstood You are referring to a hadith or interpretation you have not understood. Yes, people will pass over Hell (Qur’an 19:71), but the righteous will be saved. Adam was forgiven. Your question about him being in Hell shows blatant ignorance of basic Qur'anic theology. Again, if you want to quote, do your homework. 7. Mary, Aisha, and Historical Honesty You accuse Muslims of projecting modern morality into the past, but you did it first with your ridicule of Aisha’s age. The reality is, both Islamic and Christian history contain cultural norms you would never accept today. Don’t weaponize historical context when it suits you, and then call others pathetic for pointing out yours. Also, your Bible is silent on Mary’s age, and ancient Jewish culture married young. If it troubles you now, that’s a modern problem—not a scriptural one. 8. Did Jesus Complete His Mission? You said: “Was his mission interrupted?” Then answer this: If he was crucified (as you believe) and will return again (as Christians also believe), was the first visit sufficient or not? Islam holds he will return—not to "complete a failed mission," but to fulfill divine decree. That’s a very different paradigm. If your Christ succeeded, why is he coming back? Be consistent.

3. “You can’t claim completeness without knowing the former books” — Strawman

You confuse the completeness of revelation with the memorization of past texts. The Qur’an affirms that the final revelation is self-contained and self-sufficient:

> "This day I have perfected for you your religion..." (Qur’an 5:3)

The Prophet ﷺ did not need to study corrupted scriptures to bring the truth. Revelation comes from the Source, not from books edited by human hands.

4. Original Sin & Human Nature in Islam — Distorted Understanding

Islam categorically rejects the doctrine of inherited sin. Every soul is born pure (fitrah) and accountable only for their own actions:

> "No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another." (Qur’an 6:164)

We sin not because we are born evil, but because we are given free will and a lower self (nafs) to struggle against. Unlike Christian doctrine, we don’t see sin as a genetic curse but as a test.

As for the first sin—it was Iblis, not Adam. He disobeyed Allah by refusing to bow. Read Qur’an 2:34. Your question is answered by the very book you’re trying to challenge.

jimrohn's reply now begins from where gohf told Jimrohn that a university graduate who faced exams would realize you failed this question, remember he didn't give a respond to what gohf said before this. now the first part of jimrohn's response: Your barrage of rhetorical accusations and theological missteps betrays more heat than light. While you posture as if delivering a cross-examination, your actual argumentation reveals a profound misunderstanding of Islam, its epistemology, and its principles. So let me respond point by point—with clarity, directness, and without the diplomatic softening you clearly neither respect nor understand. 1. “You failed the question”—False Premise You claim the question was whether we honor one prophet more than another. Islam is not Christianity, and unlike your framework where Christ’s elevation necessitates a demotion of others, Islam teaches prophetic hierarchy within the bounds of respect, not at the expense of any prophet's honor. Allah says: > "These are the messengers; We have made some exceed others. Among them are those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in rank." (Qur’an 2:253) Yes, Muhammad ﷺ is the final and greatest Prophet, but that does not entail a dishonor to Jesus, peace be upon him. Your assumption that hierarchy equals dishonor is your theological baggage, not ours. And if you are incapable of distinguishing between reverence and worship, that is your own confusion—not ours to bear. 2. “You can’t answer without referencing Christianity” — Misguided Critique You brought up theological comparisons, so don’t recoil when we answer on those terms. Islam is the final revelation, and by definition, it clarifies and corrects what came before. That necessitates engaging with prior scriptures. Islam doesn't emerge in a vacuum—it refines and seals the Abrahamic message. Qur'an 5:48 makes this clear: > "To you We revealed the Scripture in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and as a criterion over it... If you bring Christianity into the room, don't complain when it's critically addressed

now here is gohf's words to jimrohn's answers to the 7th question:

You could have focused on the Quran and even quote the verses you mentioned. Anyway
Quran 16:36
For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), “Serve Allah, and eschew Evil”: of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).

So this verse is saying a messenger, are you saying this messenger is Jesus based on the context of your answer? Yes or no?
If you say no, then does it mean messengers are sent from every nation, how does this line up with the final messenger when well there are new nations and no more messengers?

Quran 3:49
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.

Now this verse doesn't state that he is only a messenger to the children of Israel.

Can we say that Muhammad was only a messenger to the middle east and people he spoke to?


Pardon me to add verse 50
And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Here isa, Jesus, clearly obey me. The question now is, the Muslims the disciples obeyed him, do you Muslims obey Jesus?

I don't see where it is written that you should disobey Jesus or that he is sent only to Israel or that because he is sent to Israel you should disobey him.

Quite frankly, if Allah could teach Jesus the Torah, there is no excuse for Muhammad not knowing the Torah and the gospel which are supposedly before the Quran.

Okay, the next verse you quoted Quran 61:6
And call to mind when Jesus, son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel, I am Allah’s Messenger to you, I verify the Torah which has come before me, and I give you the glad tiding of a Messenger who shall come after me, his name being Ahmad.” Yet when he came to them with Clear Signs they said: “This is sheer trickery.”

This is amazing. Jesus says I give you the gospel of a messenger to come, his name is Ahmad.

Now if I am to assume the Ahmad is Muhammad and that Jesus is either calling him the gospel that is to come or that he is given them the glad tidings that Muhammad would also bring.

It still begs to be answer, the question what is the gospel preached and taught by Muhammad, what is the good news from the Quran?

here is gohf's response to jimrohn's answers to the original 3rd to 6th questions, responding to each specifically:

okay so if Adam's sin was not the first and original sin, who or what was the first sin based on Islam and the Quran?

I understand what you have written that Islam rejects the idea that all mankind is born sinful, but can you tell us why sins and falls into temptations if according to you man lacks a sinful nature?

Okay, you said elevation, so tell us elevation in what sense?

And another question which you can ignore since it wasn't you who said it, but apparently the Quran or Islam says Allah will throw all into hell, that should include Adam whom he has forgiven right?



telling me to sit it out is pathetic. I personally do not care how old she was. Our Nigerian great grandfather's may have done same, but you had to pathetically do the same thing hypothetices do to Aisha to Mary as well just o justify what exactly. A level headed person would choose to understand how she could have been way older than some claim, it's funny that the Bible doesn't even mention the ages of women or wives but no way you calculate it and claim Mary was preteen.


speak for yourself as you claimed some of you are purely ignorant, which I agree. Now based on your own view of his mission being interrupted clear to clarify how you came about that understanding? Is it because he left and is coming back?
So can we say that he succeeded his mission before he left, and you could also tell us what his mission from God was?


lol you could have simply answered to worship God. But seeing how enthusiastic you are, why not tell us how God revealed that purpose to the first man, through Jesus and through Muhammad and tell us what does worship God mean, what does it mean to worship God.

gohf's second response to jimrohn's second answer was:

jimrohn a university graduate who faced exams would realize that you failed this question. The question isn't if you honor them or not, but if you honor one more than the other. Jimrohn, do you realize how you have failed here. No one is asking you about Christianity, but you can't answer an Islamic question without referencing another religion. Is the basis of Islam Christianity? You would say no, but it shows you can't address a question without making such references even while not even understanding the question in the first place.

now if it's a revelation to complete what God has been revealing, surely you should know the revelations from the beginning as well as the gospel and the final revelation, can you claim to be ignorant of other parts and still claim to have the whole because you have the final piece.

Now you look at yourself saying it clarifies the hierarchy of prophethood, which means one is greater than the other if you indeed were genuinely saying that it wasn't to reduce the honor of Jesus it's either you are stating he never had such honor or that hierarchy is just a mere number to how they came and not how they should be evaluated and honored. So your simple answer should have been yes we honor Muhammad above Jesus then followed by this explanation as to why that this. Franky it's your own problem if you assume someone's else makes a fallacy of claiming honor equals divinity. You are addressing someone without respectfully first enquiring of their theological believes. You can't answer questions properly because you are treating it like warfare which is sad and appalling.