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AntiChristian:
In Summary Jesus Christ son of Mary is a messenger of Allah to the children of Israel. He was inspired with the scripture we call "Injeel" which many translated as Gospel or Good news! And it is believed the Injeel contains a call on the children of Israel to worship one God (Allah) alone and to follow him (Jesus) as God's messenger. Just as other prophets came before him. He also told them about the last Prophet coming after him by the name Ahmad. Some things forbidden before in the past for the Israelites were also made lawful to them through Jesus.

so according to your Quran the gospel is to call Israel to worship God, how is that different from what the other prophets. How is that "good news"? Is that even a news to the people of Israel? When you say others before him, are you saying the gospel was given through all other prophets as well before Jesus, or are trying to make Jesus equal to other prophets?

So what things that were forbidden were made lawful by Jesus according to your teaching from your Quran?

Why did Jesus according to you suggest that Ahmed would be the last prophet?

Now you write it is believed, is it not directly stated nor taught by Muhammad in the Quran what God's good news is?

Yes, Muslims honor Muhammad more than Jesus. This is because though we believe in Jesus as one of the eminent Prophet and revered messenger of Allah, he was still not sent to us. Muhammad is the last messenger sent to us from his time till the world ends. Those who followed Jesus in truth during his time are also Muslims like us.

now you agree but not some other Muslims agree to this. But it's obviously majority of you honor Muhammad more, I won't question if he wasn't sent to you but to claim that those who followed Jesus in truth during his time are also Muslims, you should state what they believed and followed or are you making an assumption that they followed Muhammad.

Look this is what I see, an attempt to associate with the scriptures while undermining it at the same time to give room for self promotion and exaltation.

You claim Jesus is honored less because he wasn't sent to you. It doesn't matter if Jesus is God's anointed king for his kingdom does it because those who know Quran say that to be true and even said that Muhammad wasn't a replacement for Jesus and believe that God will send Jesus again. The question now is when that happens would Muhammed be under Jesus's kingship or not?

The result of the forgiveness is that Adam won't be punished for that sin in the afterlife. The initial plan of Allah creating man was to make them be on earth!

so Adam being removed from the garden wasn't a punishment to you? So Adam didn't have to perform religious deeds to be forgiven he just had to believe in God's mercy and seek God's forgiveness right? And is this the process of obtaining God's mercy that the Quran teaches? That all you need is to ask God for mercy and believe in God's mercy.

Now first off, why do you all believe in this "last prophet" message? Do you understand the meaning of a prophet is one that is God's mouthpiece and speaks God's word. So to say last prophet isn't that also saying God won't speak to the people anymore no matter what.

It's silly to believe such nonsense, if there's a last prophet then it means the world is ending and God doesn't need to raise a people or call them to repentance. In fact it shows a lack of understanding of the term prophet.

Except you can give a different or specific definition of the term prophet. For instance why do you believe that Jesus is the last prophet to Israel or that Muhammad is your last prophet?

OKOATA:
No point, just blabbing..

even the truth and the gospel will sound like nonsense to them

OKOATA:
You no get point. Fake pastor forming Holy, we know men like you. No need stressing yourself.

even the children of the devil accused John and Jesus of being fake and having demons

Dtruthspeaker:
When people come out from fatal accidents, they do not remember their birthdays. They just say "thank God I'm alive"

writing from experience?

orisa37:
JESUS WAS BORN NOT CREATED LIKE MUMU ADAM SO PLEASE MIND YOUR LANGUAGE.

if you had any wisdom then one who is born is such lesser than the one that birth them, so the one who is born and one who is created which of them is greater?

You are trying to use a failed logic to propagate a lie that God didn't not create Jesus

Truthseeker10:
What is a soul?

are you not "truth seeker"?

OKOATA:
Reference your point with the Bible and not from your jagajaga mind bros. Stop saying what you doing know. You no be God's P.A.

even the devil made the woman feel she didn't know what God said

OKOATA:
I pointed out from the same bible you quoted and for the devil you mentioned he's the apple of God's eye and you can't do anything about it. So rest.

even the devil pointed out from the bible, didn't stop him or his children from being deceivers

Truthseeker10:
So how does a soul that does not know it exist feels pain?

that many* not maybe, realize that exists.


Many don't know what a soul is nor that they are souls, they think they are flesh like animals

OKOATA:
Well, God created both the good and evil and he has his reasons for it. No one can question him.
Jeremiah 19:5. God rebuked people who burn another man alive and said the thing of burning someone or his creations never crossed his mind.
2Kings 17. 17-41. Read this also. God won't send anyone to hell. Even Satan that he's sending messages he hasn't destroyed him he will then throw someone in Hell? God is Love and not Evil.

not surprised even the devil quoted Psalm 91 and spoke nonsense afterwards

saddler:
A human experience pain because we have a body that has a nervous system.

Once we die, there is no nervous system to experience pain. Fire is an earthly thing as well, not spiritual.


You guys should please get a functioning brain.

you that has a functional brain, why not tell them how a dead body feels pain?

Or wait it's the human who has the body that feels the pain, not the body but the human.

Since you have such a an advanced functioning brain, why not also explain how a human feels pain even without any physical discomfort to his body or nervous systems.

MrDik3:
Is it possible, hell is fueled by methane, that would be terrible.

Methane is an invisible fire. Google it.

God who created methane knows how long it would last and could create something that can last longer and burn even the soul that many don't even realize it exists. Something that can burn even the fabric of one's existence.

If you can respond and show that I am missing your valid points I may read the rest

*The Tactics of Control: A Closer Look*

At the heart of psychological manipulation in some religious groups lies a powerful tool: fear. Fear of divine punishment whether it’s hellfire, eternal separation from God, or a spiritual void can be a paralyzing force. Sermons may paint vivid pictures of suffering for those who stray, embedding a sense of dread that lingers long after the service ends. For children raised in these environments, this fear can shape their worldview, making obedience feel like a matter of survival.

Then there’s shunning, a practice where dissenters or those who question the group’s teachings are ostracized. Imagine being cut off from your entire support system parents, siblings, lifelong friends because you dared to think differently. In insular communities, where social ties are tightly woven, shunning isn’t just rejection; it’s annihilation of one’s identity. The message is clear: conform, or lose everything.

Guilt is another weapon. Members are often taught that questioning the group’s doctrine is a personal failing, a sign of spiritual weakness or sin. This internalized guilt can trap people in a cycle of self-doubt, making it hard to recognize that the problem lies not with them, but with the tactics being used. In extreme cases, such as cults, leaders may exploit this vulnerability further, using public confessions, surveillance, or financial dependence to tighten their grip.

These tactics aren’t always blatant. They’re often subtle, wrapped in the language of love, salvation, or community. A leader might frame shunning as “tough love” to save a soul, or eternal threats as warnings born of care. This makes it harder for victims to identify the manipulation and even harder to speak out.

Now a parent or a principal reading his may find this words pathetic because you can't deduce the heart of person merely through words and because a person using discipline with love doesn't make it a control tactic.

I encourage enquiry rather than questioning in order to bring about division. A father can be asked, father explain to us why, help us understand or he can be questioned as to what right he has to give instructions. Knowing the difference is based on your understanding of the context.


Look foolish students and children lack fear of failing or fear of disappointment their parents. Fear is what keeps you from crossing the road blindly. Only fools lack fear and die because of it, so expect you are saying the fear is false or made up, which would be a manipulative tool then your point becomes less relevant.

People can use real fear to control people, I won't feed you, fear of hunger that isn't made up that is real. And the motive can be evil and it can also be a mere threat for a good will. Oh do you think a mother is evil for starving a stubborn child whom she will later feed so the child doesn't die.


Look it seems you have hardly handled children before, do you know why the military works, it's because there's discipline there. Go to any school that lacks discipline put your child there and watch the animal that comes out of that place. The issue is who wields the rod of discipline, an abusive person or a loving person, and this isn't something you decided by outside observation.

Anyone can be a victim of manipulation if the do not know the truth nor have the spirit of God. It's worse when a victim doesn't even realize they are being used and deceived.

Now if the focus of your post is against the preaching of judgement against sinners, then your views are pathetic and lack moral construct.

Imagine waking up every day with a weight on your chest, a quiet but relentless fear that one wrong move could cost you everything your family, your friends, your sense of purpose, even your eternal soul. For many people in certain religious communities, this isn’t just a fleeting worry; it’s a lived reality. Behind the sacred walls of faith, some groups wield psychological tactics fear of divine wrath, shunning, or eternal torment to enforce compliance. These practices, often cloaked in spiritual rhetoric, can cross into emotional abuse, leaving deep scars on those who experience them. Yet, the silence surrounding this issue is deafening. Victims hesitate to speak out, trapped by guilt, fear of ostracism, or simply not recognizing the manipulation for what it is. As a society, we must shine a light on these hidden dynamics, not to attack personal beliefs, but to protect the vulnerable and foster a world where faith uplifts rather than controls.

Love even some law enforcement agencies use "psychology tactics" but does that undermine the truth that punishment exists, it doesn't. And there will always be humans who wicked weild the truth as a lie to destroy lives it was meant to save. I appreciate the desire to foster a world where faith uplifts but when a society is divided on what to believe is true, then several lies would be propagated as truth. I know you may not support enforcing the truth, but without that, do you actually think any form of "shinning light" and speaking against it would work.

I mean we live in the very society where some practices both religious and social are being spoken against yet they still occur. So I disagree that there is a silence surrounding this issue, such an opinion is passed as one of ignorant of it. Maybe if it were enforced publicly then many would be aware as well.

The sweetest voice 🤔 the voice of the Holy Spirit 😊

Sometimes you guys that claim to be believers jump into posts and comment with such attack that one doubts if you have the spirit of love in you.

Is his post truly offensive or something evil.

What is wrong in his showing he understands that anyone could have come to Jesus at any point previously without recalling the exact date, but they can come today and mark it.

So is an orphan who choose a day to celebrate their life wrong because they didn't know the real date they were born and someone offered them a different date for them to remember and thank God for.

MindHacker9009:
So are these Africans without western civilisation going to hell?

they wont, but I am sure most of us got his point and I doubt this one can be classified as dressing "hot" or for the purpose of seduction and immorality.


If we all walked naked and were moral, unclothedness or exposure would not be one of the causes of immorality, but sadly it is.

Humans would seek sexual pleasure even if everyone dressed and only their eyes were exposed

OKOATA:
Heaven is made for angels not humans, hell is made for devil and demons cos that's how they were made. Humans come from dust and go back to the dust. Demons and angels are made from Fire and part of God's own body. You are being reincarnated after you die and it goes on and on till eternity. Every realm has it's own orderliness and laws. You can't commit sin in a finite life and end up infinitely in hell. Both the physical and spiritual law don't work that way.

even on earth a person can fail one exam, commit one crime or one mistake and it ruins the rest of their lives. Difference is, that God is merciful and won't send those who repent to hell for their sins and mistakes but will send all the unrepentant wicked there.

Would you love with someone who refuses to stop being wicked even if it kills them?

To want something that isn't yours is that not covertousness, to want something you did not pay for or take something you did not pay for or wasn't gifted to you, isn't that theft.

Love is indeed patient, kind, humble, but lust desires to gain what isn't ours. Lust of the eyes, of the flesh and a pride of life that you deserve what isn't even yours. Love gives, lust takes and desires to take selfishly.

Most of the popular "rich" churches who collect tithes by lying that God appointed them as levites, are all den of thieves. Lovers of money like the Pharisees they mock Jesus and his word, like the david ibiyeomes, they want to serve both God and money but end up despising God and no serving Him at all, because they lack the spirit and the truth of God.

Amen

God didn't change, the covenant did. It's like asking since God doesn't change why are there seasons, why does the world change even though God who created it doesn't change

And to make sense of it, is to believe that the only way to God is God himself. It just has to be so. 😕

May God give us wisdom

May God give some wisdom.

Proverbs 8:22 YHVH qana-ni. The LORD acquired, got wisdom.

But some would tell you well God didn't create wisdom, so maybe they should tell us how God acquired wisdom maybe he bought it from someone if he didn't create wisdom.

The scriptures actually says God got wisdom from the beginning. So where did He get it from, if not from Himself. Who defined what wisdom is and should be if not God.

Gabrielshow24:
😂It seems you have decided to come out of your shell and talk👀, that's good. Let's talk, Christ gave lots of hints to his divine nature.

Now let me ask you, how do you know that when God was speaking in the Bible that it wasn't Jesus? If you can succinctly decipher without alluding to a generic term, then we have a discussion then if you can't then you are no different to a blind man that calls whatsoever he touches Hairy!

I will like to know your system of identifying whether it was the Father or the Son or perhaps the spirit 👀 that spoke in such and such place🤨.

Let's see how reasonable you are!
If you can't then you buttress the entire point of scripture that it was Jesus that revealed 'trinity' to us!

seems I may have been ignoring you for you to refer to it has coming out of a shell to talk to you. And I am beginning to see reason why my past self did so.

You could not even answer the question asked you, yet you are demanding a conversation and even asking me questions. Wow. You really are full of yourself ain't you, lol you even want to see how reasonable I am. All this response to enquire I made of you. Don't bother answering

Your other reason already showed how foolish you reason, you saw the reasons and left. Smh pathetic

Gabrielshow24 seeing as you are so wise, why not answer a question from God to Job.

Job.38.36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

Gabrielshow24:
This is a foolish rebuttal, you haven't proved anything 🤨?
When there are plethora of verse of God saying "Let us" 🤨, are you knowledgeable at all?

Even Isaiah 40:13-14 destroys your rebuttal. If you don't understand what I wrote up there. My intention was to buttress 'The wisdom of God' is an inherent quality. It's been with him from the very beginning! It doesn't matter whether poetically 'wisdom' is referred to as she, it's only convention to refer to God as 'He' and other things as she! —which fits the biblical narratives!

Once again, you proved you are the one with folly🤕. The council of Nicaea analyzed the trinity from various reasons before coming to a logical conclusion about his person!

The concept of God is simple, now I will like to ask you, can you define "God" for me? 🤨
Let's see the measure of the intelligence you claim to have😁!

Are you not foolish, seeing that you believe God didn't create wisdom

So answer this then that you quoted
Isa.40.14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge or showed him the path of understanding? (NIV)

Did God consult another non created being like himself? Who taught him what to do?

Asking how God got wise when you are the one separating the existence of wisdom from God, or suggesting that since God did not create wisdom, God needed to meet another self existing being called wisdom before he himself became wise and without that being God is foolish.

This is how devil and led men to call their creator foolishness because they fail to accept God is God in their hearts

Gabrielshow24:
A bad and faulty analogy 🤨. Jesus is not a created being, he existed with the Father from the beginning. He was God's companion!

If indeed according to you, Jesus was created then you imply God foolish since Jesus is termed the wisdom of God!🤔

Now if God is foolish how then did he get wise to the extent to create something? And even if he did create something, how did he know it was good? 🤨 Now you have another dilemma.

Let's use this same narrative with the expression 'word of God'. How did your God learn to speak? If he possessed it from his beginning 👀 then it's an inherent quality hence since God has no beginning, this quality had been with him!

The council of Nicaea was not filled with dullards neither with those that use cheap analogy to sell false scripts!

so according to you God didn't create wisdom? Even though Wisdom declares to be the first of God's works

Prov.8.22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,, before his deeds of old; (NIV) Prov.8.22 "The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else. (NLT)Prov.8.22 "GOD sovereignly made me--the first, the basic--before he did anything else. (MSB)

Gabrielshow24:
Truthseeker is just pulling your legs. He doesn't have anything useful to add. The other guy, gohf, doesn't have a point. All his premises can be destroyed if you ask him to define what a "God" should be🤕.

All these anti-Christs pretending to be christians but negate the very fact of scripture that Jesus is God! Also, My use of nairaland has been greatly hampered by the bot, which seems to target me with reckless abandon👀— which delayed my response to this thread, irrespective let's see if this message stands or gets me banned😁.

you said it is a fact of scripture, well tell us where God said Jesus is God or that the Christ is God? That's if you know what scripture is and what the Christ means.

QuinQ:
Can you tell us where Jesus said he was not divine.
"Once you've seen me you've seen the Father"
"I and the Father are one"
"I am in the Father and the Father is in me"

the devil went to the woman and asked is there any tree God said you should not eat from. There are questions that are demonic because they avoid God's revealed truth.

So because I and my wife are one, it means my wife is me. So because Christ and the disciples and church are one, it means we are Christs. So because we abide in him and he is us, it means we are Jesus?


What should I say to one who if you had ears you would hear what the Holy Spirit is saying