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TenQ:
This is Islamic Taqqiya (deception)

Jihad simply means holy war/struggle.
It is enjoined for Muslims to wage jihad on all non-muslims. Because in Islam, there are only two divides.
1. Dar al-Islam ("house or abode of Islam" or "house of peace": This refers to lands under Muslim rule where Islamic law (Sharia) prevails and Muslims live in peace and security. It includes both Muslims and non-Muslims (dhimmis) who are protected under Muslim governance.
2. Dar al-Harb ("house or abode of war": This denotes lands not under Muslim rule or Sharia law, considered enemy territories where, classically, a state of conflict or war could exist until they accept Muslim sovereignty or peace treaties.

Muslims should kill idolaters if they refuse to become Muslims. They don't have a choice

Christians and Jews must convert to Islam or pay the Jizyah (humiliation tax) and live as a second class citizen if they will not convert to Islam.

This is Jihad as defined by Allah even though modern Muslims will want to redefine Jihad to mean means "struggle" or "striving" in the path of Allah and it is defined as encompasses multiple dimensions such as struggle (establishing Islam) with a Muslim's Wealth, Money, Position , Verbal, Intellectual and real warfare.

Qur'an 9:41
So go out, no matter whether you are lightly or heavily armed, and struggle in God’s way with your possessions and your lives: this is better for you, if you only knew.

The hadiths also primarily define Jihad in terms of WAR and WARFARE!

Sir I can pick up a number of points from what you wrote

1. Some modern day Muslims are trying to change the meaning and interpretation of their own text.

This could mean that you are telling us that the original meaning and usage of this text, especially the term Jihad, is being redefine to mean something which it is not. If this is true couldn't there be a genuine intention to them correcting it's meaning and usage. Which could also state that they admit that they believe that their earlier practitioners of their texts were wrong.

2. Could we also infer that apart from it not fostering peace, there's a possibility that even if the war nature isn't popularly practice the intimidation and subtly discrimination is still in practice as a form of Jihad by those in power able to do so. As we can't be counting those unable to win a war nor rich enough, can we say that if Muslims are the ruling class, the wealthy they would enforce jihad or would they abolish it with their power

Expanse2020:
so you think Muslims are like Christianity who can't afford 20-30k chicken during the Christmas and easter...
Make them call ram 1M we will still buy am in plenty.....
Allah has make it easy for us
You don't look us through the Hajj..
This is an act in religion
Not a play..
Show us where your religion say you should kill chicken, is that not the reason most of you opt with Sardines fish on your fist day😂🤣🤣

what exactly is the use of the sacrifice to allah

Lol they will remove and block tire till they close down this thread

P1PrinceKT:
Even Animal can not innocently be killed talk less of human being. The only person that can be killed is who killed or help in killing Muslims not how terrorist used to raid a town and killed many innocent people.
You can as well go and search "what was was the reason of first Jihad in Islam".

so how do you prove that some helped in killing Muslims? Or is it by association?

P1PrinceKT:
Jihad has rule. And it was provided to prevent Muslim from other infidel's domination and oppression. What you're seeing now is not Jihad known my God. However, u can wide your knowledge.

Is this a justification for Jihad? Then those who practice and do it are they not right in getting rid of possible infidel domination and oppression, in their own way?

P1PrinceKT:
Jihad has rule. And it was provided to prevent Muslim from other infidel's domination and oppression. What you're seeing now is not Jihad known my God. However, u can wide your knowledge.

This is a response to someone's post that anything Jihad is evil, is this response supposed to be a form of justification for Jihad?

Tenq what's your take on this

honesttalk21:
Small wonders your ignorance leads to wreckless diarrhea and typically typing nonsense.

The idea that demons are actually fallen angels is strongly backed by Scripture, highlighting their rebellion against God and their connection to Satan.

For instance, in Isaiah 14:12-15, we witness Lucifer's fall as he tries to elevate himself above God, which marks the beginning of demonic forces.
Additionally, Revelation 12:7-9 illustrates a heavenly battle where Michael and his angels confront the dragon—Satan—who, along with his followers, is cast down to earth. This connection emphasizes their ongoing resistance to divine intentions.

Ephesians 6:12 further clarifies this conflict against spiritual evil, confirming that demons are indeed fallen angels standing against God's will.

it is interesting how you turn to the bible, the one that is corrupted to justify what's inside the Quran that is perfect

TenQ:
Here was the Original post several months ago



https://www.nairaland.com/8169188/man-comfortably-represent-satan-lying

ah several months ago was my first reaction but on reading it, I couldn't help but laugh and understand why honesttalk was provoked but has he answered how the demon was caught and tied and if it's something only that man could or others in Muslim do it as well

Read Quran 9:30
The Jews say: "Ezra ('Uzayr) is Allah's son,"29 and the Christians say: "The Messiah is the son of Allah." These are merely verbal assertions in imitation of the sayings of those unbelievers who preceded them.30 May Allah ruin them. How do they turn away from the Truth?

So I ask AI did the Jews really say that

No, Jews do not believe that Ezra was the son of God. The belief that Ezra was the son of God is mentioned in the Quran, but it's attributed to a small group of Jewish sects rather than the mainstream Jewish tradition.

It being attributed is more like an accusation than a generally accepted fact. Then the Quran records that it was unbelievers that taught Christians to say that Jesus is the son of God, well I do agree Jesus is not the son of Allah. 😁

So the problem isn't taking Jesus as Allah but saying that he is the son of Allah.

It's like saying well it's okay if you believe Jesus as long as you don't believe Jesus is the son of the living God.

I have a few debates with Arabic studied Muslims that speak English, and they ran away, the subject was being a child of God

AntiChristian:
You started a new thread, is it for two of you only?

I don't need to follow your lengthy argument to know your position!

Where did Allah call Jesus "Lord" or LORD or lord?

let me repeat it, Lord, Adoni is different from YHVH(LORD)

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

This is from the At-Tawbah, which conveys a message directly from God to humanity.

Is the understanding of this verse not saying that there is only one God who is Lord and the Messiah who is also Lord, but the rest should not be taken as Lords?

The Messiah son of Mary is Jesus, whom it is written Allah and the Messiah.

Let's leave aside the possible accusation from that verse that the Jews were not commanded to worship one God, which is laughable. Will you say that the verse accuses anyone of taking the Messiah as Lord?

AntiChristian:
The question should not arise at all since Jesus has the demography he was sent to! He said he has his sheep given to him by his father in John 10:26-29. Since he wasn't sent to us then we have no business obeying him.

And the message of Jesus has been abrogated by the Qu'ran just as Jesus's message abrogates the Torah!

by his father, you mean the God, right? the one you call Allah who sent Jesus?

Okay you are quoting from the igneel the part you believe isn't corrupted right, let's look at it and see if you are correct that you have no business obeying Him, even if I do not disagree with you saying you are not one of his sheep anyway.

John 10
John.10.24 - The Jewish leaders surrounded him and asked, "How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly."
John.10.25 - Jesus replied, "I have already told you, and you don't believe me. The proof is what I do in the name of my Father.
John.10.26 - But you don't believe me because you are not part of my flock.

Now you as a Muslim claim to believe in Jesus and say everyone who serves God is a Muslim. From this incorruptible statement by Jesus that those who do not believe Jesus as the Messiah are not part of his flock.. therefore we can also say that those who believe are part of his flock.

1. If you say you believe in Jesus and you are not part of his flock, then what are you?

What was the purpose of Jesus going to the flock, let's read
John.10.27 - My sheep recognize my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
John.10.28 - I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one will snatch them away from me.

2. If you believe Jesus is the Messiah do you follow and obey him?

3. Do you believe that Jesus came to give you eternal life, by God's authority?

This are simple questions from the part of the igneel that's not corrupted according to one of you.


Okay. Hmm

You are not using the word abrogate properly because Jesus did not do away with the Torah but fulfilled the promises contained in them, which was the very purpose of he Torah which also contained temporal laws and priesthood which is what was abrogated by God. So the message doesn't abrogate the Torah, it is good news speaking concerning the fulfillment contained in the Torah. So to say that the message of Jesus was done away with by the Quran you would have to explain to us, how and why that is?

If you are basing that the Quran did to the gospel what it did to the Torah, because you see it that the gospel is against the Torah and destroys it, so also the Quran does so. Or you agree and understand that to be incorrect and that the gospel is a fulfillment, so show us how the Quran fulfills and abrogates the gospel(which is the message of Jesus)?

Any Muslim can try and attempt these questions please.

AntiChristian:
Yes, they and anyone who believes in Allah, worships Him and submit to Him alone are Muslims.

Race does not matter!

okay so if the Israelites were Muslims according to you and Jesus was sent to the Muslims, why are you saying Jesus was not sent to you?

This man and his subtle way of attacking those who will still say he respects

honesttalk21:
For he may feign forgetting.


If he didn't tag you perhaps you were not his friend yet

you tagged me, and from his response it had little to do with the title you wrote nor the response I read so share the link, so I can understand your dialogue with him

I find it very strange that Muslims claim to believe in Jesus but do not obey him. Not just Muslims, anyone, even those who call themselves believers. Saying you believe but you do not obey is a lie not taught by God.

Now do Muslims who claim to believe Jesus, obey him, https://www.nairaland.com/8437720/muslims-obey-jesus#135540533

Having taken away what some claim to have been the corruption of the gospel, my question detailed a bit in the above link, is that do you obey the other parts that are not corrupted?

RightChanneI:
What is false? How does Adam observe his own salah and how does he observe his own hajj one of the five pillars of Islam for calling him a Muslim?




😂😂 so allah the founder of Islam as you claimed forgot to revealed the five pillars of Islam to Adam the first Muslim as you said right?




Is allah a lecturer, is allah of yesterday different from today, your allah didn't revealed any book to Adam on how to worship him yet according to you, Adam was the first Muslim despite the fact that Quran affirmed muhammad as the first Muslim on earth. It seems you know Islam more than the author of Quran!

😂😂.
any Muslim can please come and answer how is Allah the founder and Adam the first muslim. How the he find it and how did Adam follow it, come and explain

AntiChristian:
Because the only religion with Allah is Islam.
And all those people submitted to Allah totally becoming Muslims.

The issue becomes when any of you claim that Allah is the God of Israel. Are you saying that Israel were Muslims? Yes or no

AntiChristian:
Jesus wasn't sent to us. He was sent to the children of Israel. We are not Israelites! If Jesus were to descend today we'll follow him as he uses the Shari'ah of Muhammad.

The Injeel has been abrogated by the Qur'an till the world ends! Only the Qur'an exists as the only scripture from Allah!

Jesus said he was not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel!

So how should we obey Jesus?

this is you claiming you seldomly respond but here you are responding to a question you were not directly asked.

And again you are not tracking the conversation. Instead you are trying to justify your own reasoning.

Jesus came from God and preached the message of God or are you going to tell us the specific message sent to the Israel was only what he taught, then tell us what is it. You are not tracking because orbit mentioned what is corrupted in the igneel and the question still stands do you obey the rest that you don't find corrupted. But you are saying no because Jesus wasn't sent to you.

It's like saying you don't obey, thou shall not murder because God spoke to the people of Israel.

RightChanneI:
Why calling Jesus and others Muslims when they were not sent to you people in Islam?

that's another point, why are they trying to associate themselves with Moses and Jesus who wasn't sent to them, is there a need other than seeking to show authenticity by associating with the ones who are authentic.

One who would want to remove doubt from themselves will associate themselves with those who are trusted. And then declare themselves unquestionable is highly suspicious.

AntiChristian:
This is one of the reasons i seldom engage you and similarly unreasonable Christians like you!

How did Allah call Jesus Lord?

Allah says:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner­self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All­Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Al-Maidah 5:116.

Jesus will denies the claim entirely!

And the next verse goes thus:
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). Al-Maidah 5:117.

Talking about Jesus the Messiah again, Allah mentions about Jesus:

"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Maryam 19:30

So i still don't get where your Holy Spirit Cherry picking is coming from!

lmao you seldomly engage me 😂, did you feel good making that statement.

Once again you can't keep track of the convo, was the question concerning if jesus should be worshipped or not?

One has to have a poor memory to respond seldomly to a person that repeatedly reminded them the subject of the convo isn't about whether jesus is divine or not. Either that or you are pretending. But you are clearly showing that you have no intention to engage in the subject but the undermine the very text quoted from your Quran.

You by yourself asked yourself a question, did Allah calling Jesus Lord but fail to answer it but instead quoted a place When Jesus humbles himself and calls himself a servant. But that's the kind of response you give so it's expected and true to who you are.

CreativeOrbit:
You keep screaming ‘truth’ like it’s some sacred weapon, but all you’re doing is spitting out overinflated trash wrapped in arrogance.

Your ‘simple question’ is only impressive to you because you clearly lack the capacity for anything deeper. A toddler might understand it—because it’s infantile, just like your logic.

You mistake my refusal to entertain your nonsense as confusion, when in reality, it’s pity. You're not insightful—you’re insufferable.

You’re not provoking thought—you’re begging for attention in the loudest, most embarrassing way possible.

You didn’t offend me—you exposed yourself as a clown swinging wildly in a conversation that left you behind long ago.

I didn't scream it, I wrote it, and if it bangs in your head as a scream it reaffirms what I wrote of you running your head into it like a brickwall. And Lol, I did not call myself the truth that offends you but then I do not disagree with you seeing me as that truth. 😊

honesttalk21:
@Tenq @gohf

Your title 'Man Comfortably Represent Satan by Lying" acts as a satirical jab at certain Islamic beliefs and figures, using mockery and distortion to get its point across. When it says "comfortably represent Satan," it's making an exaggerated claim meant to belittle people while also casting a negative light on common Islamic symbols like beards and turbans.

Moreover, the sweeping generalizations about religious individuals create a caricature that suggests they have an inherent tendency toward dishonesty. The laughter and scorn found in the comments only serve to heighten this mockery, showing a lack of genuine critique. This method reinforces a narrative of disrespect instead of fostering constructive dialogue, ultimately hindering the chance for meaningful discussions on the topic.

cc @Seun

tenq what title is this one talking about?

By the way honesttalk21 I believe I have quoted you and asked you a thing or two of which you ignored before making this post which such verbosity and inconcurrent assertions that are baseless and mere accusations with an attempt to justify yourself as if you have engage in a dialogue with me that has been meaningful and constructive, without adding your personal prejudice or sentiments

TenQ:
Don't mind muslims. Check all their deliberate mistranslations of Quran 9:31 . They cannot admit whether it is an error or a deep theological discuss from Allah

Qur'an 9:31
They (Jews and Christians) have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah and the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

The Questions still waitng for Muslims to answer:
1. Knowing that the Qur'an is clear and simple to understand, is Allah associating the Messiah as partners with him?
2. Is this Quranic verse an error or mistake OR is it exactly what Allah intend to say?
3. Does Allah truly want us to make the Messiah LORD with him?

people like creativeorbit and Antichristian, they are selective in their choice of texts and their interpretation of it is eisegesis, while the former has an intellectual base for diverting and strawmaning logical reasoning, the later is just, the less said the better.

AntiChristian:
You switched off your thought process again! Are you not the one comparing Holy Spirits to Tafsirs and co?

May you be healed!

to answer your question, no I am not. You are the one who switched off your mind and forgot that you were the one who compared the holy Spirit to tafsirs, even stating that the Holy Spirit was not involved in the writing of the bible

TenQ:
A man mesmerised his gullible fellow arabs that a Demon (Afrit) came to the mosque to disturb his prayers AND he would have tied the demon to one of the poles of the mosque for all Muslims to see, except that everything was AUDIO.

As you know, Muslims do not ask Questions. They swallow every lie hook, line and sinker

The Question is:
Are Demons Physical Beings?
What kind of ropes can be used to tie up demons to a tree?


Sahih al-Bukhari 461
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Last night a big demon (afreet) from the Jinns came to me and wanted to interrupt my prayers (or said something similar) but Allah enabled me to overpower him. I wanted to fasten him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you could See him in the morning but I remembered the statement of my brother Solomon (as stated in Quran): My Lord! Forgive me and bestow on me a kingdom such as shall not belong to anybody after me (38.35)." The sub narrator Rauh said, "He (the demon) was dismissed humiliated."

All Mohammed's miracles do not have any evidence. only he is the evidence

Since you brought up the TOPIC again, you may wish to answer the following questions supported with ANY hadith (sahih or daif) the answers to the questions
Mr honesttalk21,
1. Tell me, which of the followers of prophet Mohammed saw the afreet?
2. What did prophet Mohammed use to tie up the afreet?
3. Who finally untied the afreet or was it killed?
4. Can you describe a little how the afreet look like?

I do not know if demons are physical but then one could argue that Jacob wrestled with an angel, and abraham fed angels, lot and his family were grabbed and taken away by angels. It makes one to probably assume that demons could as well make physical appearance though it could be a faulty conclusion as demons are not angels.

TenQ:
Adam and Eve being ONE is a compound Unity not Unitary or singular unity

yes I understand, just as you can use the word "same" for singular and plural purpose. He is the same person, they are both the same.

No Hebrew scholar gives echad the sole interpretation of being a compound unity because they use it severally to mean a singular unit.

CreativeOrbit:
I don’t waste my time engaging with people who clearly lack the mental capacity to grasp even the simplest concepts. No matter how thoroughly or patiently you try to explain, it’s like talking to a brick wall—absolutely pointless. Some minds are just too far gone to reason with. I’m done. Goodbye.

the truth you are avoiding which is clearly beyond your reasoning, a obvious simple question that even a toddler will comprehend became a brick wall for you to run into and hopefully knock some sense into you, but instead of sense all you got was offense with the truth.

AntiChristian:
I'm not the same person as NairaLTQ in your conversations. I don't know of what importance it is if Allah calls Jesus lord in the Qur'an. It has a context. Even in your Bible, there are many other "Elohim" apart from Yahweh. And Yahweh did mentioned them too.

Since Yahweh called smaller gods Elohim why don't you also call them Elohim too?

That's why your thoughts has folly embedded in it.

Christ is one of the messengers of Allah. That some worship him as lord doesn't make him one. And once again, Muslims honour Christ but he wasn't sent to us. On judgement day, each Prophets will come with their nations.

Jesus will come with his and Muhammad will come with his. As well as others, some having more that others!

Where does it says Adam will go to hell? All believers will pass over it. And those who are sinful will be drawn into it for their sins as Allah wills.

Of course, Muhammad ran the last lap of prophethood so all other prophets will have to follow him.

there are a number of other things you don't know but I do appreciate the honesty in your stating that you don't know the importance of Allah calling Jesus Lord in the Quran. But despite agreeing and being aware of your ignorance, you still try to undermine and strawman your own Quran text.

There's a difference between recognizing that the Messiah is Lord and speaking of false gods that would die and be destroyed. You may pretend not to know the difference but since your thoughts are embedded with folly, you probably would.

AntiChristian:
Tafsirs, etc are human efforts and can be authentic or otherwise!

Your own holy spirit can enter Samson to kill.

So I don't see how relevant they are!

Despite the holy spirit there are many tafsirs (Exegesis) of the Bible too.

Examples includes the attached.

if you don't see how relevant your tafsirs and hadiths are why even consider them

honesttalk21:
Allah is over and on top literally or otherwise?
Clarity required

What sort of shape does Allah have please explain?

Allah created Adam in his image sounds more like what Christianity says.

tenq quoted scriptures of those who said or wrote that Adam/man is the image of God. My question to you is are they Christians he quoted?