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QuinQ:
Jesus is God. I don't know how anybody can be arguing that. If not, tell us what he is

you don't know how anybody can be arguing that? Are you blind? Are you not reading what is written for you to write you don't know how anybody can argue that.

So to you Jesus must be God if he isn't then he is nothing. Irrespective of what God says, irrespective of what Jesus says, irrespective of the disciples and apostles wrote. Jesus must be God to you. If you want to know WHO JESUS IS, I have topics dedicated to bringing out scriptures and gospel verses in that regard you can read them.

Thankgod89:
As I’ve mentioned to "truthseeker10" before, I normally don’t engage in debates about whether Christ is God or not. I believe everyone should refer to Him as they have come to know Him—or as the Spirit has revealed Him to them.

I’ve discussed this topic with you in the past, and I chose to agree with you at the time—not because I was fully convinced, but because I know these kinds of topics often lead to endless arguments. Honestly, I’ve also noticed that your choice of words can sometimes come across as impolite, and I’m not interested in having that kind of exchange.

If anything I’ve said has come across as offensive or embarrassing, I sincerely apologize.

Thank you.

I can take this as you do not want to answer or you don't have any answer to the questions I asked you.

The Holy Spirit is one, he doesn't reveal contradictory things as God is not an author of confusion. If you pretended to agree with me that has nothing to do with me but with you. If you don't want an argument or a debate, then you would answer the questions honestly and according to what is written.

It may be okay to you for people to believe and know a lie but a lie won't set people free and for me it isn't okay for people to teach and preach what contradicts the truth. I understand the deception played by the devil to let many believe a lie he cooked up, but I don't understand why people feel the need to make a Jesus equal to God or a god.

Please answer this questions with love and understanding towards those who have little to no knowledge of your Quran and possibly hadiths


1. I have heard some Muslims say they believe Jesus is the Messiah and that Muhammad spoke about Jesus Christ, but that he taught about Jesus Christ nor preached his message the gospel. True Muslims in the house care to share what you have been taught was the message of Jesus the Messiah.

2. Do you honor Muhammad more than Jesus

3. Adam was forgiven of his sins but was still cast out of Eden. What then was the result of his forgiveness

4. Why do some believe Aisha was 9 but some believe she was older, a teenager possibly 19. (Personally I think she may have been way older from the little I read but people use the she's 9 to attack Muhammad)

5. I have heard some Muslims say, the assignment of Jesus failed so therefore God had to send Muhammad. If you believe this, explain how it failed or clarify why some say this.

6. There are more but let's start with these five, maybe one more, because I get different answers to this from Muslims. Why did God create man according to the Quran.

7. Oh what does the Quran teach is the reason God sent Jesus?

QuinQ:
I was not there. People who were there and heard him directly and saw his expressions thought he was implying he was God

and yet Jesus corrected them or are you saying he later lied and deceived them because he was afraid of being killed?

Thankgod89:
When Jesus says, “The Father is greater than I,” He is speaking as the incarnate Son, who willingly humbled Himself and took on human flesh (Philippians 2:6–7). In His humanity, He voluntarily submitted to the Father’s will and accepted a lower position for the sake of our salvation.

So, the Father is “greater” in function or role during the incarnation, not in essence. Jesus still retained full divinity but operated in a position of submission.

In short, Jesus wasn’t denying His divinity—He was preparing the disciples for His departure. He emphasized the greatness of the Father to comfort them, showing that His going away was part of a larger divine plan. If the Father was greater in position, then His return to the Father was not a loss but a completion of His mission.

are you saying that now Jesus is equal or greater than the Father?
Are you saying that Jesus is no more in the flesh?
Are you saying that the Father's role now is lesser?

QuinQ:
No

you're oneness? You believe Jesus is God our Father?

Now think about a comic artist, or a manga/manhua for those into asian sketched stories. Now if the artist who is the creator of those characters in sketched up world, decides to draw a character and name that character after himself or call it, his image having a power to erase or rule in his sketched up world.

The first question is, is this image, this character given such power and authority to erase, created? Yes it is, yes he/she, the character is created.

Second question, is that character the creator, the comic artist? The answer is No


The question then is, even though without a doubt (personally) Jesus is the image of God why do some call him God, even when the creator and author did not call him or tell others to call him God?

Kingsnairaland:
Ggg

Glory to God

If you want eternal life go to any catholic church and eat the flesh of Jesus

😂😂😂

Bordey:
I was surprised when I read the history of Pope. The first was Peter, Jesus disciple that is filled with holy Ghost, casted out demons, heal the sick and raised the dead. The second Pope was Linus and he was mentioned by Paul. He was filled with holy Ghost too and was the first after Peter to be in charge of the Roman church.

Why am I writing this? Today the pope so far are just mere men with respected position. They can't pray for sick to be healed or cast out demons or even raise the dead.. One even said blessing should be given to same sex marriage that Paul condemned. Are they in line with the spirit of God. Definitely NO. What's the essence of being a Pope if you are not walking in the light of God's word. Lets see if this one will be different from the ones we have seen so far.

fake popes trying to associate themselves with real men of God

So who did they pick this time as their new pope

So an American pope same period as a new American president. Don't know what happened with the whole Malachi prophecy guess it's false and made up. But it's weird trump does an American pope stunt and an American becomes the pope.

Wonderful, it didn't take long did it

Captain4Jehovah:
Who do they represent on earth? They were ordained to the day they were commissioned!

they represent Mammon and their pockets prophecing miracles prosperity and money based on their own made up lies. Even though you cannot answer you are adamant and stubborn on your believe. Did God ordain your pastors to take tithes or they ordained themselves to collect what God gave the Levites?

Captain4jehovah you have not answered the question, WHO and WHEN were your bishops and pastors ordained to collect tithe?

Captain4Jehovah:
I would rather shut my mouth than trying to justify myself in order to claim what is not! I am telling you what all Christians must do. The law about tithe is not debatable nor negotiable! Christians cannot cut corners regarding to whom it must be given these days ! I SAY IT AGAIN, THERE IS NO ASSOCIATION BETWEEN TITHE AND TRIBUTE OR TITHE AND TAX. YOU DON'T EQUAL THEM FOR THEY ARE DIFFERENT. This is the real reason I tried to differentiate them. NOTE: The tribute money paid by Jesus is not tithe. Remember the Romans were in charge. Selected Jews were only given the right by them to collect it.
My main focus is primarily on tithe not tax and tribute. I ONLY let you understand that while tax/tribute are forcedly collected, tithes are not.
The temple tax was not supposed to be paid by Jesus for it was collected on his land by the Roman government and used for themselves not Israel government (they didn't have any government to remit the money to)_the kings of the earth don't collect tribute from their sons and daughters, it is from the strangers. As children of God, we shouldn't be paying tribute spiritually. This I stated earlier! This is one spiritual lesson from that verse of the Bible(Matthew 17:24-27).

Pay your tithe to your God-ordained Pastor or Bishop. Simple!
You mentioned prophets not priests nor Levites. Those prophets you mentioned were not authorized to collect tithes! They dare not!
Pastors and Bishops are your Levites today. I believe you are not an Israeli!

If you had been quiet you would have spared yourself from sin. Have you not lied against God, I asked you when did God ordain your pastors and bishops as tithe collectors for his children?

Instead you still insist that they must give while claiming it will not be forcefully collected from them, even under the law of Moses tithes were not forcefully collected infact only the given knows if he has brought out all the three tithes required by the law. I write brought because some are eaten at a specific place.

When you teach a lie in the name of God, will you not be judged for it. Do you think lying that Jesus ordained bishops as levites would be a passable offense even if you claim that's what you were indoctrinated into.

Captain4Jehovah:
Do you have Levites in your gathering today? If so, give your tithe to them or you could travel to Israel and pay it to anyone of them JUST TO FULFILL THE LAW and be freed from God's accusation about tithe.

You are claiming that you observe the law in fragment, in part does that justify what you practice as what is right and true?

It shows you didn't get the message of my response earlier! The Biblical Israelites were majorly farmers( consider Genesis 46:34) and THEY OBSERVED ALL THE TITHES IN FULL in the sense that they brought ALL TITHES OF ANIMALS, FRUITS, AND OTHER FARM PRODUCES to God's house(Deuteronomy 14:22-29; Malachi 3:10). They were even instructed to convert the farm produces to money if their residences are far away from God's temple. The case is different today: people only tithe from their primary monthly income.

Matt.22.29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

Rom.8.33-34 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? Will God? No! He is the one who has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? Will Christ Jesus? No, for he is the one who died for us and was raised to life for us and is sitting at the place of highest honor next to God, pleading for us.

Matt.5.17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jas.2.8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well;
Rom.13.8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

olaolaking:
Matthew 27:5: Judas throws the silver into the temple and hangs himself.

Acts 1:18: Judas buys a field and falls headlong, his body bursting open.

These 2 are referring to how Judas Iscriout ended.

But what is responsible for the differences? Which one is correct? Are both correct? How can you defend this as a Christian?

well someone investigated and probably found out that Judas didn't buy the field but those whom he returned the money to, who may have bought it in his name and claimed he bought it and died on it.

LalastiklaIa:
So they said only God knows the day Jesus will return. Even Jesus that’s going to come doesn’t know the day. There has been speculation by many people and men of God but they always fall short. So I’m thinking what if humans decide to go extinct and the way they can achieve this. A law is passed that every new male child born henceforth is sterilized meaning they undergo a minor surgery after birth and their sperm duct is cut. And once it is like that they can get erection and have sexual intimacy but can’t impregnate a woman. The population of the world will decrease and if this process continues for a 100 years we go extinct. Now of this happens Will God be forced :- \to reschedule the coming of Christ?

Let’s say He scheduled 07th July, 2825 which is 800 years from now. If this process is implemented by men and human population is on a very rapid decline. Will God be forced against his will to bring his scheduled date to say 19th October 2096. If yes does it mean mere men could actually thwart an Almighty God’s plan? Mere men forcing him to go against his plan.

Because for over 2000 years now. Jesus is coming Jesus is coming

If this thing has been done in say 1800s humans would have gone extinct before the year 1920 and none of us here would have been born to die and face judgement and possibly go to hell.

Even passing the bill will be according to God's will, ordinary tower they could not finish it's to force 6billion people to not have children 😂😂😂. If Tinbu wants to cut off your member you will let him right 👍🏾

Wanted to respond to other things you wrote but you are probably set in your ways and will look for a means to justify yourself. If there was no association between tithe, tribute and tax why mention them at all, are you trying to confuse people. When did temple tax become tribute to another king?

Why are you doing this?
You didn't even contradict the fact that I stated that it were the Levities who were accused of theft.

I even asked you a simple question as children of God who are we supposed to pay tithe to and you said pastors and bishops? Are they from Levi? Did God give any command that pastors are to collect tithes?. Did every sheperd in Israel collect tithe? Did every spiritual leader in Israel collect tithe? Did Samuel, Elijah, Elisha collect tithe, did Jeremiah or Isaiah collect it?

What importance is it saying you didn't make a suggestion when you promote that those who are not Levites should collect the tithe, or are your pastors Levites.

You are claiming that you observe the law in fragment, in part does that justify what you practice as what is right and true?

Improper interpretation of the word of God brings destruction and you are a case study. Seeing as you suggest that Romans 10:12 is about both the circumcision and uncircumcised being under the law whereas Paul wrote that in reference to those who believe in God being the same under Him

alobright17:
God love you till he watches your country people getting killed like mosquitos yet he sits and watch like mumu waiting for tithe and offering to complete his mansion he’ has been building many years ago .

What a yeye lazy god

if your imagination was true then you would be right

GOD DOESN'T HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE POOR

John 3:16 popular biblical verse, for God so loved the world that He gave, before we finish reading this verse, know that you were either in the world or are still in the world. Paul even writes in Romans 5:8 God shows us His love that while we were still sinners, while we were still in the world... and you may say well, "I am no more in sin, I have no sin to offend God so God should bless me and make me prosperous" is that really what the contents of God's love and promise entails. Verse 9 of Romans 5, says and we were free from God's wrath because of that love that brought us Jesus.

So John 3:16 God so loved the world, filled with poor people and He didn't give them riches, He didn't give them money, but He gave them Jesus. One may say, well Jesus is the bread of life and that life is not life in this world but eternal life in the world to come.

God sent Jesus to you who are poor, so that you can have eternal life. Look God knows that you are poor, and He anointed Jesus to preach to the poor, Luke 4:18 & Isaiah 61:1 so did Jesus come to preach wealth and prosperity to the poor? No he came to preach the good news, the gospel.

You may ask how is that a solution to your poverty? Well it is not, it is a solution to your death which all men die for one reason or the other, yes God loves you even though he lets you or anyone die poor. If God wanted to solve your poverty He would send and anoint Jesus to make many wealthy, but then in the short few years of Jesus ministry and even the decades of the apostles added, how many testimonies do you read of Jesus making anyone wealthy and rich? 0, NONE.

Well if one says the gospel will make you rich, beware before you use God's word and name for vain things. This is what Jesus taught, and proclaimed to the poor, Matthew 5:3 & Luke 6:20, blessed are the poor for they receive the kingdom of God.

You are blessed because you are receiving the kingdom of God, and not a fat cheque to fetch you what you eat and drink. Infact, Paul wrote in Rom.14.17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,.

So you are not even receiving what you can eat and drink, but power that gives you peace and joy even in your poverty because of the promise of God's kingdom that is to come.

This is what James writes in Jas.2.5 Listen to me, dear brothers and sisters. Hasn't God chosen the poor in this world to be rich in faith? Aren't they the ones who will inherit the Kingdom he promised to those who love him?

The only reason you may believe or think, God hates you because you are poor is because of the lie you were taught, from the same people who steal and collect the little you have in the name of God selling to you false promises God never gave.

Instead of saying your poverty is proof God doesn't love, you see that it doesn't proof anything other than that God loves you even though you are poor.

Matt.6.33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

Which things? The things Jesus mentioned that we need to survive. Things that Jesus taught we should not worry about even though we need them but to trust in God's love and provision for OUR DAILY NEED AND BREAD

Matt.6.31 So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'... Matt.6.34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

The purpose of seeking the kingdom of God is not for wealth nor for money, it is to find the kingdom of God, seek and you shall find and those who seek are those who can actually see the kingdom of God. So the reason you are born again and can see the kingdom of God, John 3.3, is for you to find it and enter.

Listen, Jesus said

Matt.6.24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.


My brothers and sisters, God loves you even though you are poor. Do you not know it is easier for you to enter the kingdom of God than it is for those who are rich, Matt. 19:23.

David Ibi-boy 😁 says Jesus hates poor people but I say to you, God doesn't hate you because you are poor 🙏🏾.

I do understand your exegesis, from the point of clarifying the mustard seed to the view concerning laborers in God's house to the difference between what Abraham gave and what was demanded. I also noted your assumption in that it may have been practiced and learnt by Jacob though you noted it wasn't stated in the bible, as even the fulfillment of Jacob's vowed also wasn't recorded and one can claim such vow was carried out by his descendants who inherited the said land not because God original demanded it but because of the words of Jacob.

Now then therefore should we not also consider like the circumcision what is binding to the house of Jacob and what is binding to the church of Christ, especially of the "uncircumcised" in the flesh?

Do you also suggest that other than the Levities from the tribe of Levi, others could also collect the "tithe" and it would be lawful? Not considering whether the church should be under the law or not, but solely based on observing the said law.

Could you also explain Jesus's response to Peter, in the case you mentioned from the gospel where he was asked if his teacher paid the tribute, though you associated the tithe to tribute, have you considered Jesus's response that it is not the children of the house that pay tribute.

Now ask yourself are the children of God and those in the body of Christ supposed to pay tithe to who?

Nevertheless I could consider the premise of your discuss when suggesting it's value to God's house and listing accurately all the tithes required by the laws of Moses but it becomes more debatable when you bring in Malachi and not consider even though you recognize that it referring to the priests you generalize it. Don't you know it is those who you keep in charge of your finance and not those who give you that you can accuse of theft.

To compare alms, appreciation to that which is mandated contradicts it's self for that which is willing is not forced. To the extent you proclaim that such "disobedience" could give room to the devil and he claims them for himself, how did your "application" bring about such "conclusion"

Then again ask yourself would the improper application of the law bring salvation or destruction, if observing the law even saves?

Along he rode in on the back of a colt with a donkey, coats and garments spread upon where he sat and upon his path, leaves were cut for the feet of the ride, and the children and people sang his praises, Hosanna Hosanna, blessed is the king, blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD, blessed is the son of David, Hosanna.

And while they praised some murmured away envy and tried to speak caution but in reply Jesus said, "Haven't you ever read the Scriptures? For they say, 'You have taught children and infants to give you praise.'"

You would be forgiven to solely think that Jesus commending and encouraging the children to praise him without realizing where he got that text from and how it implies to those whom he spoke to.
And the text if from Psalm 8

Ps.8.1 O LORD, our Lord, the majesty of your name fills the earth! Your glory is higher than the heavens.

1. Whenever we are celebrated we must give all glory to God. While others may feel we are been praised, we must redirect their attention back to God. Jesus said it is God they are praising.

Ps.8.2 You have taught children and nursing infants to give you praise. They silence your enemies who were seeking revenge.

2. The purpose of praising God is to silent enemies who may be trying to accuse you before God. Praising God strengthens you in the face of confrontation, because the joy of the Lord is your strength remember Paul and Silas. Rejoice in all things I say rejoice, in the face of those who will not celebrate with you, rejoice.

And for the rest of Psalm 8 let us not forget it is God who made us, who honors any man and glorifies him, that's why all glory belongs to God.

So children of God, shout, Hosanna! Hosanna!! Hosanna in the highest.

Happy Palm Sunday everyone. 🌴

Marrying a girl after raping her is it justifiable in today's church?

I would like to first note that no where in the bible I read does God command nor condone rape, be it raping women or men. We go from the attempt to rape men in Sodom to the story of Absalom's sister Tamar being raped, of which had various negative consequences to them.

But the question then is, is it justifiable when the man who defiles a woman, and in the case of rape forcefully defiles her then marries her later?

Some of those who have read the laws of Moses would have come across this, and like Paul wrote some want to be known as teachers of the law even when they don't understand it, while James wrote not everyone should teach the scriptures. Now some read the contents of the law and try to practice some of it irrespective of the need to actually understand it's purpose nor the commitment required to practice all of it.

Apart from the unjustifiable act of Jacob's sons, killing the family of the man who raped their sister, Dinah in Genesis 34. The account of Jacob wanting to let her marry the man that raped her may have translated into the law of Moses and shown an understanding in the case of the woman in question, who had lost her virginity at a time when not having it could lessen one's chances of other suitors.

Now the particular scripture containing the law that addresses the subject in question is in
Deut.22.28 - 29
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

I see this more like a punishment to the man than for him to be justified or pardoned for what he had done. Now the punishment may not seem as severe as it is in our 21st century, but considering the times of Moses and verse 25, it is likely most young girls, if not all, were engaged to someone and such men who raped them were killed.

Exodus.22.16 - 17 contains a lighter note for those who take advantage of ladies but not forcefully, here we see the wisdom to protect women in such cases
"If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to anyone and sleeps with her, he must pay the customary dowry and accept her as his wife. But if her father refuses to let her marry him, the man must still pay the money for her dowry.


In conclusion if the law doesn't justify such, I do not believe such should be justified under grace, true grace doesn't give room for sin but for repentance from sin, so mercy and forgiveness can be sort from the victim even if you were not caught for without this God may not forgive you.

Would you obey whatever request God makes of you irrespective of the reason or would you deny certain ones based on your moral standard?

There are those who believe that those who believe in God throw reason and logic away, and follow God "blindly" and I know some who believe may say, we live by faith not by sight 2 Corinthians 5:7.

Now the question is, do you believe that "faith" requires you to throw away logic and do whatever you believe God has commanded you to do, irrespective of the reason behind it and assuming you actually can verify if it's God speaking and it is God's command.

Take for instance, "sacrificing" your child as some translations put it, killing women, children and animals, eating food you have never eaten before or you may not even like, giving up your wealth, or any command as such that may not be in line with you.

Some have faith in faith rather than faith in God

tctrills:
Sorry I was not aware that there is a question police in Christiandom that governs what and what not to ask.
Again any question that makes you know more about the relationship between the Father and his Son should edify any Christian.
Any question that makes you understand his doctrines and teachings will definitely edify you if you are a well meaning Christian.
One more thing, if you felt the question was not appropriate, why did you attempt to answer it?

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tctrills:
My question is more like, can we separate the honour of the Father from that of the Son? Do we give greater honour to the Father and a lesser degree of honour to the Son or do they share the same honour?

He is who is higher and greater receives higher honor