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The man who should see this message won't repent is probably having a big congregation service somewhere in South of Nigeria and giving glory to God for the income for the week.

Anyway maybe some would read this and avoid false men who blasphemy against the Lord Jesus Christ, son of the living God.

HolinesstodLord:
Well said, we are called to be saints, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. When you are perfected in holiness, you won’t be praying for forgiveness of sin anymore. You can’t sin, you don’t sin. It’s all by the power of the Holy Spirit of God.

With man it is impossible but with God all
Things are possible.

thanks for the well said but I don't know where you got I won't be praying for forgiveness of sin anymore when Jesus, James, John taught us to confess, repent and ask for forgiveness. We are not perfect that's why we need to ask for forgiveness and also because we don't love sin and are not workers of Iniquity.

Some question turned to a simple debate where some questions were answered and some weren't but one that hasn't been answered by Muslims who share the view that Jesus is the Messiah is, will Muhammad follow and submit to the judgement of Jesus the Messiah. Seeing as none as said that Muhammad is another Messiah or a replacement Christ.

https://www.nairaland.com/8421569/make-sense-number-things-heard


I also still want a clear explanation as to how Muhammad is the last prophet and not claims or declarations.

AntiChristian:
It was revealed to Jesus by Allah that Prophet Ahmad will come after him. Jesus had nothing to suggest!

okay if it was not a suggestion then you have empirical evidence or book chapter verse that shows that Jesus actually said so and it is recorded and written down. If not, shouldn't we all see it as a false claim?

All Prophets are superior people of their respective time. As for the message the Injeel contains, that's not our business to know since we already said the message was particularly for the children of Israel which Jesus was sent to! It wasn't sent to us. The core message is that it brings people back to the sole worship of Allah and relaxed the otherwise harsh commandments from the earlier scriptures.

so a message which is none of your business is one in which you can infer the core message of it. Isn't that a contradiction? A false statement isn't only an assumption but also manipulation, you first wrote that messengers are superior to prophets but you have changed the basis of your comparison to being that prophets are superior to people which wasn't the basis of the enquiry, this isn't the first time you have done so. So it is deliberate or you don't understand the question? Repeating harsh commandments without specifying or giving one example of one harsh commandment. But would you be able to do so when you have said you do not know what the gospel says.

Let me strongman your point by assuming you mean that the good news to Israel is that they no longer has to follow certain laws of moses and freeing them from . But the question is how can you come to such a knowledge without knowing what the gospel says?

Now note that Jesus didn't preach against the commandments of God like you seem to suggest was the good news, but the answer I am getting from you is that MUHAMMAD DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE GOSPEL IS YET HE MENTIONED IT.

What Muhammad taught is the Qur'an and his tradition. What Jesus taught was the Injeel. Allah did not include the Injeel in the Qur'an for us. Injeel is for the children of Israel and is what Jesus preached and taught while on earth. It was never in a book form.

so what you are saying is that God did not give you guys the good news that He promised in the Tanakh is for all nations, Israel and others?

I can't even ask you what you think is the purpose of the good news, seeing as you said Muslims don't know.

Now the gospel not being in book form is obvious, seeing as it announces that the kingdom of God is here, a part fulfillment of God's promise in the Tanakh that a written proof of the said promise. It's one thing to say you don't know what the igneel is, but then all prophets that Muhammad claims to associate with knew the promise. Now does Muhammad know the promise, or did he teach God's promise.

Now if the Tanakh and new testament teachers both speak of this promise, does Muhammad teach concerning it as well and what does he teach concerning it. Look out discuss concerns the salvation of souls right, so this answers can save a soul

This was my question "so when Muslim Jesus comes back with his rule and destroys Christianity and antichrist, will Muhammad follow him? It's a simple question yes or no."

I already answered this. Our believe about Jesus the son of Mary is that he never died at all and will come back shortly before the world ends. He will destroy Christianity and the antichrist and judge with the Shari'ah of Islam.

you claiming you have already answered it doesn't stop you from writing yes or no. Neither did I ask you if you believe the resurrection of Jesus, I didn't disagree with what you wrote, Now this antichrist and Christianity destroy Jesus who comes to judge with shariah of Islam will Muhammad follow his judgement and submit to it? Yes or no. Or is Muhammad going to rebel against Jesus the just judge?

Offpoint1:

How the whites successfully made us believe these things 😂

I wouldn't blame our ancestors, as of the time of invasion, most if not all were illiterate, so the minds was easy to penetrate.


If religion was a solution, your slave masters wouldn't had given it to you.

so your ancestors were illiterates and also foolish?

When will Eneche listen to the truth and repent from collecting tithe and letting his wife tell people they will return to zero if they stop tithing. When will he repent from his gospel of lies.

AntiChristian:
Adam had a sinful nature as well as a tendency to do good! Just as his generations too. Why do you guys emphasize only on sinful nature; is there no "good deed" nature in your dictionary? I thought everything your God created was God! How come Adam became bad if he was created good! Adam was created with freewill. Just like Satan and his Jinn-kind.

don't know why you seeing my mentioning a sinful nature which you seem to also agree to, as emphasizing but the reason isn't as you assume, it is not because there is no good nature okay. If any reason it explains why men go against God and you agree we all have a sinful nature

Adam sincerely asked for forgiveness and Allah forgave him. Any Muslim could do same and repent sincerely and Allah forgives whoever He wills.

so God can forgive anyone as long as they sincerely repent or they have to first convert to your religion before they can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven?

The essence of having a revealed scripture is to be guided. So believers now have the Qur'an and the traditions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam. These scriptures will always be in vogue till the day of resurrection for all mankind and Jinn. And Muhammad is the last Prophet of Allah in fact he's the seal of all Prophets. The last Prophet also means the last messenger since a messenger is a subset of a Prophet. So all believing people will have to follow the Qur'an and the traditions of the last Prophet till the world ends!

All is understandable here!

now when you mention revealed scripture and is purpose is to guide. First issue is compared to the commandments that was publicly revealed to the people of Israel and the Torah that in the sight of Israel Moses had to ascend and receive to confirm that it was inspired by God. Muhammad is said to have had a private encounter and though some mention 2 witnesses or so. How valid is the Quran which contradicts somethings mentioned in the Torah which was given publicly followed by acts of God. One has to be wrong when both contradict each other, don't you agree.

When you call Muhammed the last prophet, is it a claim he made or a public declaration by God. Is that what Islam teaches.

Now comparing your response to why Muhammad is the last prophet to the reason why Jesus is the only Messiah, it is more reasonable to believe that Jesus is the only way to God. You are making claims with no clear explanation as to why Muhammad is the last prophet, it's either you don't know why or you there is no why because he isn't.

All believers now have the Quran, all of them have to follow it, it's like a programmed reason which doesn't answer the question why is Muhammad the last prophet.

Muhammad can't be the last prophet to unbelievers because his message and outreach didn't reach unbelievers, especially some of the Islam doctrines or practices towards said unbelievers.

Muhammad can't be the last prophet to Israel because he was never sent to Israel.

Muhammad wasn't even an Israelite yet he associates himself with israelite prophets and claims to be the last of them, so he can't even say he was the last israelite prophet.

What is the basis for this claim

AntiChristian:
Adam being removed from garden can be said to be God fulfilling His intention of creating a vicegerent on earth! And if you regard it as a punishment then it's a lesser punishment. For example, when a man steal he is punished in Islamic law. After that punishment the culprit still needs to seek forgiveness from Allah for the sin commited or else he'll be punished again in the afterlife. Adam was forgiven so he inherited no sins and won't be punished for the sin in the afterlife!

We believe in the torah revealed to Moses, the Zabur revealed to David, the Injeel revealed to Jesus, the scrolls revealed to Abraham and the Qur'an revealed to Muhammad. All these scriptures are the word of Allah for the people at the respective times of the Prophets. Only Muhammad was sent to the world of mankind and unseen Jinn!

A Prophet is sent to a believing people by Allah!
A messenger is sent to a disbelieving people by Allah!
If God were to be speaking to every Tomiwa, Dike and Haruna, then what's the essense of the scripture in the Qur'an.

Muhammad is the last Prophet of Allah! There are no more Prophets nor scriptures to be revealed till the world ends!

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon all of them from Adam to Muhammad!

now I didn't say Adam inherited any sin, except you are saying Adam didn't have a sinful nature and didn't pass such nature to his children then you would have to explain how Adam sinned and why his descendants also sin if they don't have a sinful nature in them?


Now you didn't not answer nor affirm this question

So Adam didn't have to perform religious deeds to be forgiven he just had to believe in God's mercy and seek God's forgiveness right? And is this the process of obtaining God's mercy that the Quran teaches? That all you need is to ask God for mercy and believe in God's mercy.



You explaining what a messenger is and a prophet is, didn't answer the question or are you saying there are no more believing people and there are no more unbelieving people. Well you didn't say last messenger, so Muhammad was according to you God's last prophet to his believing people?


Like help others understand why you say and believe he is the last.

So AntiChristian

It is Injeel because that is the scripture given to the Israelites at the time of Jesus! The difference is that it relaxes some of the earlier laws for the israelites! And And all Prophets essentially preached the same core message i.e. to worship Allah alone without partners! All Prophet have their levels. In Islam, the category is divided into Prophets and Messengers! A messenger by virtue of the message sent to be delivered is superior to a Prophet! All messengers are also Prophets but not all Prophets are messengers! Adam was the first Prophet, while Noah was the first messenger. All Prophets are like brothers of the same fathers with different mothers! Each have the demography he was sent to! The foremeost of them are Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad! May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all! When i say something is believed, it means that makes one who refuses to believe such is a disbeliever in Islam!

This question, "Why did Jesus according to you suggest that Ahmed would be the last prophet?" Wasn't answered.

Now I asked you what the message contains, and not to whom the message was given. What is the good news. Now you are saying well Jesus is a prophet and a messenger, my question remains what was his message. You can't keep saying all prophets were told to tell people that they should believe in one God, of messengers are superior like you wrote then what made Jesus superior, what was his specific message.

Now I have asked you what Muhammad taught, or are you saying that two messengers from God cannot teach the same message or that Muhammad did not know the message given through Jesus?

We honor Muhammad and pray for him to earn more rewards from Allah! We honor Jesus and other Prophets too! But they were not sent to us. If Jesus were to come back today, we'll follow him as he would be using the Shariah of Islam to rule and judge! When Jesus comes back he will destroy Christianity as well as the antichrist! He will live his life fully and die a natural death as Muslim.

All Prophets and messengers were Muslims. And all those who follow them were Muslims too. Allah mentions the disciples of Jesus in the Qur'an and they were Muslims. Only those from the time of Muhammad need to follow him to be Muslims! Those who followed Jesus during his time were Muslims! Those who followed Moses during his time were Muslims! so when Muslim Jesus comes back with his rule and destroys Christianity and antichrist, will Muhammad follow him? It's a simple question yes or no.

Emusan:
I guess you meant "EXCEPT" here!

What do you mean by this statement?



Jesus never said in "He is God" but all the criteria that made God to be God was used for Jesus.

For example!

John 1:1 says "The Word was God"
John 1:3 says "Without The Word NOTHING was Created that have been CREATED" Which means Jesus isn't part of creation.
Phil 2:6 made it clear that "Jesus EXISTS IN THE NATURE OF GOD and He is EQUAL TO GOD"
LASTLY, Jesus Himself said in John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, JUST AS they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."



You can highlight the lies in my post.

So the criteria according to you that made God to be God are
1. The word was God
2. God used the word to create all things
3. Jesus having the nature of God
4. Honor the son as you honor the Father

Here is your first lie, none of this is what makes God God.

The only truth you wrote is that Jesus never said He is God.

You said I should highlight your lies

John 1:1 Kai theos en ho logos
theos there is not object, but is now the subject.

In John 1:1 John is revealing the source of the word, the logos which is revelation. So in the beginning was the revelation and that revelation was with God... And then John us was the revelation was about. God was the revelation. God was what the word was about. And that's why I say the word was God's word about God. Was being used there is an imperfect verb meaning you can't change it to mean God is the word.

Verse 2 speaks about Jesus being with God in the beginning.

So the revelation was with God and Jesus was with God in the beginning and through Jesus all that was made was made. Which clearly means Jesus was the the means God used to create.

You lie because you fail to realize that Jesus is the foundation of the world, the very being God used to hold the world together like the foundation that holds a house.

Phil. 2.6 who being in God's form did not consider equality with God something to be desired or grasped but instead, verse 7, took himself as a servant. You can lie or believe a misinterpretion and lie against a verse but it doesn't change that Jesus was and is humble and didn't consider himself to be God nor equal to God.

John 5:23 is not the beginning of a sentence
John.5.22-23 And the Father leaves all judgment to his Son, so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. But if you refuse to honor the Son, then you are certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.

Does this mean that the son is equal to the Father, you would have to be a deliberate and wicked liar to say it does. When it clearly shows that the honor of being the judge is given to the son, that is God has granted that honor to Jesus by making it that the honor that would come to the judge would go to the Jesus whom he has appointed as the judge. So just as we would have honor God as judge, we should honor the son as judge appointed by God.

It doesn't say honor Jesus as God. One of the duties of an anointed king, the Messiah is to judge. That's why in revelation Jesus is honored and praised for redeeming us and declaring God's judgement upon the world.

Emusan:
You have it written plainly in John 1:1 "...and the Word was God"

wait you don't know what scripture is and who God is?

Emusan:
@underlined - you're wrong it's not people who tried to make Jesus equal to God or a god but it was The Word of God that revealed that Jesus is God and equal to God.

expect Jesus stopped being called the word of God, tell us where he said he is God and is equal to God. Or stop deceiving yourself and lying against God's word

AntiChristian:
In Summary Jesus Christ son of Mary is a messenger of Allah to the children of Israel. He was inspired with the scripture we call "Injeel" which many translated as Gospel or Good news! And it is believed the Injeel contains a call on the children of Israel to worship one God (Allah) alone and to follow him (Jesus) as God's messenger. Just as other prophets came before him. He also told them about the last Prophet coming after him by the name Ahmad. Some things forbidden before in the past for the Israelites were also made lawful to them through Jesus.

so according to your Quran the gospel is to call Israel to worship God, how is that different from what the other prophets. How is that "good news"? Is that even a news to the people of Israel? When you say others before him, are you saying the gospel was given through all other prophets as well before Jesus, or are trying to make Jesus equal to other prophets?

So what things that were forbidden were made lawful by Jesus according to your teaching from your Quran?

Why did Jesus according to you suggest that Ahmed would be the last prophet?

Now you write it is believed, is it not directly stated nor taught by Muhammad in the Quran what God's good news is?

Yes, Muslims honor Muhammad more than Jesus. This is because though we believe in Jesus as one of the eminent Prophet and revered messenger of Allah, he was still not sent to us. Muhammad is the last messenger sent to us from his time till the world ends. Those who followed Jesus in truth during his time are also Muslims like us.

now you agree but not some other Muslims agree to this. But it's obviously majority of you honor Muhammad more, I won't question if he wasn't sent to you but to claim that those who followed Jesus in truth during his time are also Muslims, you should state what they believed and followed or are you making an assumption that they followed Muhammad.

Look this is what I see, an attempt to associate with the scriptures while undermining it at the same time to give room for self promotion and exaltation.

You claim Jesus is honored less because he wasn't sent to you. It doesn't matter if Jesus is God's anointed king for his kingdom does it because those who know Quran say that to be true and even said that Muhammad wasn't a replacement for Jesus and believe that God will send Jesus again. The question now is when that happens would Muhammed be under Jesus's kingship or not?

The result of the forgiveness is that Adam won't be punished for that sin in the afterlife. The initial plan of Allah creating man was to make them be on earth!

so Adam being removed from the garden wasn't a punishment to you? So Adam didn't have to perform religious deeds to be forgiven he just had to believe in God's mercy and seek God's forgiveness right? And is this the process of obtaining God's mercy that the Quran teaches? That all you need is to ask God for mercy and believe in God's mercy.

Now first off, why do you all believe in this "last prophet" message? Do you understand the meaning of a prophet is one that is God's mouthpiece and speaks God's word. So to say last prophet isn't that also saying God won't speak to the people anymore no matter what.

It's silly to believe such nonsense, if there's a last prophet then it means the world is ending and God doesn't need to raise a people or call them to repentance. In fact it shows a lack of understanding of the term prophet.

Except you can give a different or specific definition of the term prophet. For instance why do you believe that Jesus is the last prophet to Israel or that Muhammad is your last prophet?

OKOATA:
No point, just blabbing..

even the truth and the gospel will sound like nonsense to them

OKOATA:
You no get point. Fake pastor forming Holy, we know men like you. No need stressing yourself.

even the children of the devil accused John and Jesus of being fake and having demons

Dtruthspeaker:
When people come out from fatal accidents, they do not remember their birthdays. They just say "thank God I'm alive"

writing from experience?

orisa37:
JESUS WAS BORN NOT CREATED LIKE MUMU ADAM SO PLEASE MIND YOUR LANGUAGE.

if you had any wisdom then one who is born is such lesser than the one that birth them, so the one who is born and one who is created which of them is greater?

You are trying to use a failed logic to propagate a lie that God didn't not create Jesus

Truthseeker10:
What is a soul?

are you not "truth seeker"?

OKOATA:
Reference your point with the Bible and not from your jagajaga mind bros. Stop saying what you doing know. You no be God's P.A.

even the devil made the woman feel she didn't know what God said

OKOATA:
I pointed out from the same bible you quoted and for the devil you mentioned he's the apple of God's eye and you can't do anything about it. So rest.

even the devil pointed out from the bible, didn't stop him or his children from being deceivers

Truthseeker10:
So how does a soul that does not know it exist feels pain?

that many* not maybe, realize that exists.


Many don't know what a soul is nor that they are souls, they think they are flesh like animals

OKOATA:
Well, God created both the good and evil and he has his reasons for it. No one can question him.
Jeremiah 19:5. God rebuked people who burn another man alive and said the thing of burning someone or his creations never crossed his mind.
2Kings 17. 17-41. Read this also. God won't send anyone to hell. Even Satan that he's sending messages he hasn't destroyed him he will then throw someone in Hell? God is Love and not Evil.

not surprised even the devil quoted Psalm 91 and spoke nonsense afterwards

saddler:
A human experience pain because we have a body that has a nervous system.

Once we die, there is no nervous system to experience pain. Fire is an earthly thing as well, not spiritual.


You guys should please get a functioning brain.

you that has a functional brain, why not tell them how a dead body feels pain?

Or wait it's the human who has the body that feels the pain, not the body but the human.

Since you have such a an advanced functioning brain, why not also explain how a human feels pain even without any physical discomfort to his body or nervous systems.

MrDik3:
Is it possible, hell is fueled by methane, that would be terrible.

Methane is an invisible fire. Google it.

God who created methane knows how long it would last and could create something that can last longer and burn even the soul that many don't even realize it exists. Something that can burn even the fabric of one's existence.

If you can respond and show that I am missing your valid points I may read the rest

*The Tactics of Control: A Closer Look*

At the heart of psychological manipulation in some religious groups lies a powerful tool: fear. Fear of divine punishment whether it’s hellfire, eternal separation from God, or a spiritual void can be a paralyzing force. Sermons may paint vivid pictures of suffering for those who stray, embedding a sense of dread that lingers long after the service ends. For children raised in these environments, this fear can shape their worldview, making obedience feel like a matter of survival.

Then there’s shunning, a practice where dissenters or those who question the group’s teachings are ostracized. Imagine being cut off from your entire support system parents, siblings, lifelong friends because you dared to think differently. In insular communities, where social ties are tightly woven, shunning isn’t just rejection; it’s annihilation of one’s identity. The message is clear: conform, or lose everything.

Guilt is another weapon. Members are often taught that questioning the group’s doctrine is a personal failing, a sign of spiritual weakness or sin. This internalized guilt can trap people in a cycle of self-doubt, making it hard to recognize that the problem lies not with them, but with the tactics being used. In extreme cases, such as cults, leaders may exploit this vulnerability further, using public confessions, surveillance, or financial dependence to tighten their grip.

These tactics aren’t always blatant. They’re often subtle, wrapped in the language of love, salvation, or community. A leader might frame shunning as “tough love” to save a soul, or eternal threats as warnings born of care. This makes it harder for victims to identify the manipulation and even harder to speak out.

Now a parent or a principal reading his may find this words pathetic because you can't deduce the heart of person merely through words and because a person using discipline with love doesn't make it a control tactic.

I encourage enquiry rather than questioning in order to bring about division. A father can be asked, father explain to us why, help us understand or he can be questioned as to what right he has to give instructions. Knowing the difference is based on your understanding of the context.


Look foolish students and children lack fear of failing or fear of disappointment their parents. Fear is what keeps you from crossing the road blindly. Only fools lack fear and die because of it, so expect you are saying the fear is false or made up, which would be a manipulative tool then your point becomes less relevant.

People can use real fear to control people, I won't feed you, fear of hunger that isn't made up that is real. And the motive can be evil and it can also be a mere threat for a good will. Oh do you think a mother is evil for starving a stubborn child whom she will later feed so the child doesn't die.


Look it seems you have hardly handled children before, do you know why the military works, it's because there's discipline there. Go to any school that lacks discipline put your child there and watch the animal that comes out of that place. The issue is who wields the rod of discipline, an abusive person or a loving person, and this isn't something you decided by outside observation.

Anyone can be a victim of manipulation if the do not know the truth nor have the spirit of God. It's worse when a victim doesn't even realize they are being used and deceived.

Now if the focus of your post is against the preaching of judgement against sinners, then your views are pathetic and lack moral construct.

Imagine waking up every day with a weight on your chest, a quiet but relentless fear that one wrong move could cost you everything your family, your friends, your sense of purpose, even your eternal soul. For many people in certain religious communities, this isn’t just a fleeting worry; it’s a lived reality. Behind the sacred walls of faith, some groups wield psychological tactics fear of divine wrath, shunning, or eternal torment to enforce compliance. These practices, often cloaked in spiritual rhetoric, can cross into emotional abuse, leaving deep scars on those who experience them. Yet, the silence surrounding this issue is deafening. Victims hesitate to speak out, trapped by guilt, fear of ostracism, or simply not recognizing the manipulation for what it is. As a society, we must shine a light on these hidden dynamics, not to attack personal beliefs, but to protect the vulnerable and foster a world where faith uplifts rather than controls.

Love even some law enforcement agencies use "psychology tactics" but does that undermine the truth that punishment exists, it doesn't. And there will always be humans who wicked weild the truth as a lie to destroy lives it was meant to save. I appreciate the desire to foster a world where faith uplifts but when a society is divided on what to believe is true, then several lies would be propagated as truth. I know you may not support enforcing the truth, but without that, do you actually think any form of "shinning light" and speaking against it would work.

I mean we live in the very society where some practices both religious and social are being spoken against yet they still occur. So I disagree that there is a silence surrounding this issue, such an opinion is passed as one of ignorant of it. Maybe if it were enforced publicly then many would be aware as well.

The sweetest voice 🤔 the voice of the Holy Spirit 😊

Sometimes you guys that claim to be believers jump into posts and comment with such attack that one doubts if you have the spirit of love in you.

Is his post truly offensive or something evil.

What is wrong in his showing he understands that anyone could have come to Jesus at any point previously without recalling the exact date, but they can come today and mark it.

So is an orphan who choose a day to celebrate their life wrong because they didn't know the real date they were born and someone offered them a different date for them to remember and thank God for.

MindHacker9009:
So are these Africans without western civilisation going to hell?

they wont, but I am sure most of us got his point and I doubt this one can be classified as dressing "hot" or for the purpose of seduction and immorality.


If we all walked naked and were moral, unclothedness or exposure would not be one of the causes of immorality, but sadly it is.

Humans would seek sexual pleasure even if everyone dressed and only their eyes were exposed

OKOATA:
Heaven is made for angels not humans, hell is made for devil and demons cos that's how they were made. Humans come from dust and go back to the dust. Demons and angels are made from Fire and part of God's own body. You are being reincarnated after you die and it goes on and on till eternity. Every realm has it's own orderliness and laws. You can't commit sin in a finite life and end up infinitely in hell. Both the physical and spiritual law don't work that way.

even on earth a person can fail one exam, commit one crime or one mistake and it ruins the rest of their lives. Difference is, that God is merciful and won't send those who repent to hell for their sins and mistakes but will send all the unrepentant wicked there.

Would you love with someone who refuses to stop being wicked even if it kills them?