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Truthseeker10:
So how does a soul that does not know it exist feels pain?

that many* not maybe, realize that exists.


Many don't know what a soul is nor that they are souls, they think they are flesh like animals

OKOATA:
Well, God created both the good and evil and he has his reasons for it. No one can question him.
Jeremiah 19:5. God rebuked people who burn another man alive and said the thing of burning someone or his creations never crossed his mind.
2Kings 17. 17-41. Read this also. God won't send anyone to hell. Even Satan that he's sending messages he hasn't destroyed him he will then throw someone in Hell? God is Love and not Evil.

not surprised even the devil quoted Psalm 91 and spoke nonsense afterwards

saddler:
A human experience pain because we have a body that has a nervous system.

Once we die, there is no nervous system to experience pain. Fire is an earthly thing as well, not spiritual.


You guys should please get a functioning brain.

you that has a functional brain, why not tell them how a dead body feels pain?

Or wait it's the human who has the body that feels the pain, not the body but the human.

Since you have such a an advanced functioning brain, why not also explain how a human feels pain even without any physical discomfort to his body or nervous systems.

MrDik3:
Is it possible, hell is fueled by methane, that would be terrible.

Methane is an invisible fire. Google it.

God who created methane knows how long it would last and could create something that can last longer and burn even the soul that many don't even realize it exists. Something that can burn even the fabric of one's existence.

If you can respond and show that I am missing your valid points I may read the rest

*The Tactics of Control: A Closer Look*

At the heart of psychological manipulation in some religious groups lies a powerful tool: fear. Fear of divine punishment whether it’s hellfire, eternal separation from God, or a spiritual void can be a paralyzing force. Sermons may paint vivid pictures of suffering for those who stray, embedding a sense of dread that lingers long after the service ends. For children raised in these environments, this fear can shape their worldview, making obedience feel like a matter of survival.

Then there’s shunning, a practice where dissenters or those who question the group’s teachings are ostracized. Imagine being cut off from your entire support system parents, siblings, lifelong friends because you dared to think differently. In insular communities, where social ties are tightly woven, shunning isn’t just rejection; it’s annihilation of one’s identity. The message is clear: conform, or lose everything.

Guilt is another weapon. Members are often taught that questioning the group’s doctrine is a personal failing, a sign of spiritual weakness or sin. This internalized guilt can trap people in a cycle of self-doubt, making it hard to recognize that the problem lies not with them, but with the tactics being used. In extreme cases, such as cults, leaders may exploit this vulnerability further, using public confessions, surveillance, or financial dependence to tighten their grip.

These tactics aren’t always blatant. They’re often subtle, wrapped in the language of love, salvation, or community. A leader might frame shunning as “tough love” to save a soul, or eternal threats as warnings born of care. This makes it harder for victims to identify the manipulation and even harder to speak out.

Now a parent or a principal reading his may find this words pathetic because you can't deduce the heart of person merely through words and because a person using discipline with love doesn't make it a control tactic.

I encourage enquiry rather than questioning in order to bring about division. A father can be asked, father explain to us why, help us understand or he can be questioned as to what right he has to give instructions. Knowing the difference is based on your understanding of the context.


Look foolish students and children lack fear of failing or fear of disappointment their parents. Fear is what keeps you from crossing the road blindly. Only fools lack fear and die because of it, so expect you are saying the fear is false or made up, which would be a manipulative tool then your point becomes less relevant.

People can use real fear to control people, I won't feed you, fear of hunger that isn't made up that is real. And the motive can be evil and it can also be a mere threat for a good will. Oh do you think a mother is evil for starving a stubborn child whom she will later feed so the child doesn't die.


Look it seems you have hardly handled children before, do you know why the military works, it's because there's discipline there. Go to any school that lacks discipline put your child there and watch the animal that comes out of that place. The issue is who wields the rod of discipline, an abusive person or a loving person, and this isn't something you decided by outside observation.

Anyone can be a victim of manipulation if the do not know the truth nor have the spirit of God. It's worse when a victim doesn't even realize they are being used and deceived.

Now if the focus of your post is against the preaching of judgement against sinners, then your views are pathetic and lack moral construct.

Imagine waking up every day with a weight on your chest, a quiet but relentless fear that one wrong move could cost you everything your family, your friends, your sense of purpose, even your eternal soul. For many people in certain religious communities, this isn’t just a fleeting worry; it’s a lived reality. Behind the sacred walls of faith, some groups wield psychological tactics fear of divine wrath, shunning, or eternal torment to enforce compliance. These practices, often cloaked in spiritual rhetoric, can cross into emotional abuse, leaving deep scars on those who experience them. Yet, the silence surrounding this issue is deafening. Victims hesitate to speak out, trapped by guilt, fear of ostracism, or simply not recognizing the manipulation for what it is. As a society, we must shine a light on these hidden dynamics, not to attack personal beliefs, but to protect the vulnerable and foster a world where faith uplifts rather than controls.

Love even some law enforcement agencies use "psychology tactics" but does that undermine the truth that punishment exists, it doesn't. And there will always be humans who wicked weild the truth as a lie to destroy lives it was meant to save. I appreciate the desire to foster a world where faith uplifts but when a society is divided on what to believe is true, then several lies would be propagated as truth. I know you may not support enforcing the truth, but without that, do you actually think any form of "shinning light" and speaking against it would work.

I mean we live in the very society where some practices both religious and social are being spoken against yet they still occur. So I disagree that there is a silence surrounding this issue, such an opinion is passed as one of ignorant of it. Maybe if it were enforced publicly then many would be aware as well.

The sweetest voice 🤔 the voice of the Holy Spirit 😊

Sometimes you guys that claim to be believers jump into posts and comment with such attack that one doubts if you have the spirit of love in you.

Is his post truly offensive or something evil.

What is wrong in his showing he understands that anyone could have come to Jesus at any point previously without recalling the exact date, but they can come today and mark it.

So is an orphan who choose a day to celebrate their life wrong because they didn't know the real date they were born and someone offered them a different date for them to remember and thank God for.

MindHacker9009:
So are these Africans without western civilisation going to hell?

they wont, but I am sure most of us got his point and I doubt this one can be classified as dressing "hot" or for the purpose of seduction and immorality.


If we all walked naked and were moral, unclothedness or exposure would not be one of the causes of immorality, but sadly it is.

Humans would seek sexual pleasure even if everyone dressed and only their eyes were exposed

OKOATA:
Heaven is made for angels not humans, hell is made for devil and demons cos that's how they were made. Humans come from dust and go back to the dust. Demons and angels are made from Fire and part of God's own body. You are being reincarnated after you die and it goes on and on till eternity. Every realm has it's own orderliness and laws. You can't commit sin in a finite life and end up infinitely in hell. Both the physical and spiritual law don't work that way.

even on earth a person can fail one exam, commit one crime or one mistake and it ruins the rest of their lives. Difference is, that God is merciful and won't send those who repent to hell for their sins and mistakes but will send all the unrepentant wicked there.

Would you love with someone who refuses to stop being wicked even if it kills them?

To want something that isn't yours is that not covertousness, to want something you did not pay for or take something you did not pay for or wasn't gifted to you, isn't that theft.

Love is indeed patient, kind, humble, but lust desires to gain what isn't ours. Lust of the eyes, of the flesh and a pride of life that you deserve what isn't even yours. Love gives, lust takes and desires to take selfishly.

Most of the popular "rich" churches who collect tithes by lying that God appointed them as levites, are all den of thieves. Lovers of money like the Pharisees they mock Jesus and his word, like the david ibiyeomes, they want to serve both God and money but end up despising God and no serving Him at all, because they lack the spirit and the truth of God.

Amen

God didn't change, the covenant did. It's like asking since God doesn't change why are there seasons, why does the world change even though God who created it doesn't change

And to make sense of it, is to believe that the only way to God is God himself. It just has to be so. 😕

May God give us wisdom

May God give some wisdom.

Proverbs 8:22 YHVH qana-ni. The LORD acquired, got wisdom.

But some would tell you well God didn't create wisdom, so maybe they should tell us how God acquired wisdom maybe he bought it from someone if he didn't create wisdom.

The scriptures actually says God got wisdom from the beginning. So where did He get it from, if not from Himself. Who defined what wisdom is and should be if not God.

Gabrielshow24:
😂It seems you have decided to come out of your shell and talk👀, that's good. Let's talk, Christ gave lots of hints to his divine nature.

Now let me ask you, how do you know that when God was speaking in the Bible that it wasn't Jesus? If you can succinctly decipher without alluding to a generic term, then we have a discussion then if you can't then you are no different to a blind man that calls whatsoever he touches Hairy!

I will like to know your system of identifying whether it was the Father or the Son or perhaps the spirit 👀 that spoke in such and such place🤨.

Let's see how reasonable you are!
If you can't then you buttress the entire point of scripture that it was Jesus that revealed 'trinity' to us!

seems I may have been ignoring you for you to refer to it has coming out of a shell to talk to you. And I am beginning to see reason why my past self did so.

You could not even answer the question asked you, yet you are demanding a conversation and even asking me questions. Wow. You really are full of yourself ain't you, lol you even want to see how reasonable I am. All this response to enquire I made of you. Don't bother answering

Your other reason already showed how foolish you reason, you saw the reasons and left. Smh pathetic

Gabrielshow24 seeing as you are so wise, why not answer a question from God to Job.

Job.38.36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

Gabrielshow24:
This is a foolish rebuttal, you haven't proved anything 🤨?
When there are plethora of verse of God saying "Let us" 🤨, are you knowledgeable at all?

Even Isaiah 40:13-14 destroys your rebuttal. If you don't understand what I wrote up there. My intention was to buttress 'The wisdom of God' is an inherent quality. It's been with him from the very beginning! It doesn't matter whether poetically 'wisdom' is referred to as she, it's only convention to refer to God as 'He' and other things as she! —which fits the biblical narratives!

Once again, you proved you are the one with folly🤕. The council of Nicaea analyzed the trinity from various reasons before coming to a logical conclusion about his person!

The concept of God is simple, now I will like to ask you, can you define "God" for me? 🤨
Let's see the measure of the intelligence you claim to have😁!

Are you not foolish, seeing that you believe God didn't create wisdom

So answer this then that you quoted
Isa.40.14 Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge or showed him the path of understanding? (NIV)

Did God consult another non created being like himself? Who taught him what to do?

Asking how God got wise when you are the one separating the existence of wisdom from God, or suggesting that since God did not create wisdom, God needed to meet another self existing being called wisdom before he himself became wise and without that being God is foolish.

This is how devil and led men to call their creator foolishness because they fail to accept God is God in their hearts

Gabrielshow24:
A bad and faulty analogy 🤨. Jesus is not a created being, he existed with the Father from the beginning. He was God's companion!

If indeed according to you, Jesus was created then you imply God foolish since Jesus is termed the wisdom of God!🤔

Now if God is foolish how then did he get wise to the extent to create something? And even if he did create something, how did he know it was good? 🤨 Now you have another dilemma.

Let's use this same narrative with the expression 'word of God'. How did your God learn to speak? If he possessed it from his beginning 👀 then it's an inherent quality hence since God has no beginning, this quality had been with him!

The council of Nicaea was not filled with dullards neither with those that use cheap analogy to sell false scripts!

so according to you God didn't create wisdom? Even though Wisdom declares to be the first of God's works

Prov.8.22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,, before his deeds of old; (NIV) Prov.8.22 "The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else. (NLT)Prov.8.22 "GOD sovereignly made me--the first, the basic--before he did anything else. (MSB)

Gabrielshow24:
Truthseeker is just pulling your legs. He doesn't have anything useful to add. The other guy, gohf, doesn't have a point. All his premises can be destroyed if you ask him to define what a "God" should be🤕.

All these anti-Christs pretending to be christians but negate the very fact of scripture that Jesus is God! Also, My use of nairaland has been greatly hampered by the bot, which seems to target me with reckless abandon👀— which delayed my response to this thread, irrespective let's see if this message stands or gets me banned😁.

you said it is a fact of scripture, well tell us where God said Jesus is God or that the Christ is God? That's if you know what scripture is and what the Christ means.

QuinQ:
Can you tell us where Jesus said he was not divine.
"Once you've seen me you've seen the Father"
"I and the Father are one"
"I am in the Father and the Father is in me"

the devil went to the woman and asked is there any tree God said you should not eat from. There are questions that are demonic because they avoid God's revealed truth.

So because I and my wife are one, it means my wife is me. So because Christ and the disciples and church are one, it means we are Christs. So because we abide in him and he is us, it means we are Jesus?


What should I say to one who if you had ears you would hear what the Holy Spirit is saying

QuinQ:
Jesus is God. I don't know how anybody can be arguing that. If not, tell us what he is

you don't know how anybody can be arguing that? Are you blind? Are you not reading what is written for you to write you don't know how anybody can argue that.

So to you Jesus must be God if he isn't then he is nothing. Irrespective of what God says, irrespective of what Jesus says, irrespective of the disciples and apostles wrote. Jesus must be God to you. If you want to know WHO JESUS IS, I have topics dedicated to bringing out scriptures and gospel verses in that regard you can read them.

Thankgod89:
As I’ve mentioned to "truthseeker10" before, I normally don’t engage in debates about whether Christ is God or not. I believe everyone should refer to Him as they have come to know Him—or as the Spirit has revealed Him to them.

I’ve discussed this topic with you in the past, and I chose to agree with you at the time—not because I was fully convinced, but because I know these kinds of topics often lead to endless arguments. Honestly, I’ve also noticed that your choice of words can sometimes come across as impolite, and I’m not interested in having that kind of exchange.

If anything I’ve said has come across as offensive or embarrassing, I sincerely apologize.

Thank you.

I can take this as you do not want to answer or you don't have any answer to the questions I asked you.

The Holy Spirit is one, he doesn't reveal contradictory things as God is not an author of confusion. If you pretended to agree with me that has nothing to do with me but with you. If you don't want an argument or a debate, then you would answer the questions honestly and according to what is written.

It may be okay to you for people to believe and know a lie but a lie won't set people free and for me it isn't okay for people to teach and preach what contradicts the truth. I understand the deception played by the devil to let many believe a lie he cooked up, but I don't understand why people feel the need to make a Jesus equal to God or a god.

Please answer this questions with love and understanding towards those who have little to no knowledge of your Quran and possibly hadiths


1. I have heard some Muslims say they believe Jesus is the Messiah and that Muhammad spoke about Jesus Christ, but that he taught about Jesus Christ nor preached his message the gospel. True Muslims in the house care to share what you have been taught was the message of Jesus the Messiah.

2. Do you honor Muhammad more than Jesus

3. Adam was forgiven of his sins but was still cast out of Eden. What then was the result of his forgiveness

4. Why do some believe Aisha was 9 but some believe she was older, a teenager possibly 19. (Personally I think she may have been way older from the little I read but people use the she's 9 to attack Muhammad)

5. I have heard some Muslims say, the assignment of Jesus failed so therefore God had to send Muhammad. If you believe this, explain how it failed or clarify why some say this.

6. There are more but let's start with these five, maybe one more, because I get different answers to this from Muslims. Why did God create man according to the Quran.

7. Oh what does the Quran teach is the reason God sent Jesus?

QuinQ:
I was not there. People who were there and heard him directly and saw his expressions thought he was implying he was God

and yet Jesus corrected them or are you saying he later lied and deceived them because he was afraid of being killed?

Thankgod89:
When Jesus says, “The Father is greater than I,” He is speaking as the incarnate Son, who willingly humbled Himself and took on human flesh (Philippians 2:6–7). In His humanity, He voluntarily submitted to the Father’s will and accepted a lower position for the sake of our salvation.

So, the Father is “greater” in function or role during the incarnation, not in essence. Jesus still retained full divinity but operated in a position of submission.

In short, Jesus wasn’t denying His divinity—He was preparing the disciples for His departure. He emphasized the greatness of the Father to comfort them, showing that His going away was part of a larger divine plan. If the Father was greater in position, then His return to the Father was not a loss but a completion of His mission.

are you saying that now Jesus is equal or greater than the Father?
Are you saying that Jesus is no more in the flesh?
Are you saying that the Father's role now is lesser?

QuinQ:
No

you're oneness? You believe Jesus is God our Father?

Now think about a comic artist, or a manga/manhua for those into asian sketched stories. Now if the artist who is the creator of those characters in sketched up world, decides to draw a character and name that character after himself or call it, his image having a power to erase or rule in his sketched up world.

The first question is, is this image, this character given such power and authority to erase, created? Yes it is, yes he/she, the character is created.

Second question, is that character the creator, the comic artist? The answer is No


The question then is, even though without a doubt (personally) Jesus is the image of God why do some call him God, even when the creator and author did not call him or tell others to call him God?

Kingsnairaland:
Ggg

Glory to God

If you want eternal life go to any catholic church and eat the flesh of Jesus

😂😂😂