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MaxInDHouse:
@ gohf

have you ever seen anyone born of the spirit 😳😑

StillDtruth:
"does Against God's will also mean sin?" Yes

God's Will is expressed via His Laws. So when you see God's Law or Command, you see His Will.

Secondly, the Laws in Leviticus 18 are the Laws of sexual abominations which people do, even today.

So they are only pointing out the sexual abominations a person must not do.

But if you want to see the laws barring polygamy they are contained in several parts of the Bible which I dropped in the threads I showed you. Eg Deuteronomy 17:17 do not multiply wives.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

Every argument that people like you could make was done there and in the end they did not stand because I showed them the Laws they must break to do polygamy.

Ezra 10:3
[3] Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to
put away all the wives, and such as are born of them (exactly what Abraham did when he made the mistake of taking wives after Sarah's death,) according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 How long did it take you to google out deut. 17:17 you should have ACTUALLY READ the chapter 🤣. Okay only that verse says that the purpose the king should not many so many wives is so that they don't turn his heart away from God.

Infact that's the same reason they were not to marry foreign women. Which by the way Moses married and that was the issue that got Mariam a leper for a week. Anyway. Those who trule know scripture know that Ezra misinterpreted the scripture and misunderstood what God told Jeremiah and took a wrong action in that regard, but neither the less, they didn't divorce their extra wives but their pagan wives.

MaxInDHouse:
Please expatiate on what Jesus said at Matthew 11:11 because there is a point Jesus made there that needed to be cleared:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women (from righteous Abel) there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom (someone who is considered smallest) of the heavens is greater than he is"

Simple, those born of women are carnally born
While those in the kingdom of God are all born of the Spirit.

But we can also dig deeper into what Jesus was actually teaching in Matthew 11 that brought about that statement in verse 11 😃

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i always point to my source of guidance regarding scriptural knowledge: jw.org

I often do this to alert whoever i'm chatting with to know what to expect from Jehovah's Witnesses for instance many often come here saying Jehovah's Witnesses will never agree to give their daughter's hand in marriage to someone who is not a JW neither are we going to approve for our son to marry a female who is not a JW.

I hope you now know that we strictly hold on to the same line of thought among us.

As for polygamy it's a crime in our midst to the extent that you can never ever be one of us of you're a polygamist no one will consider your baptism no matter how long you've been with us. Thousands out there have not been baptized after studying the Bible with us for decades even though many thought they are members of Jehovah's Witnesses because they attends our meetings yet they are not baptized which disqualifies such ones from any privilege among us! 1Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:6

well I guess a point to you for sticking with jws doctrine but that doesn't make you any different from those who follow their various pastor's doctrines. Well your faithfulness and commitment should be commended 👏

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
It became a sin for whoever wants to get everlasting life through faith in Christ Jesus who told his listeners:

In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female  and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.” Matthew 19:4-6

All other forms of marriage is against God's will: polygamy, polyandry, gay, lesbian, bestiality all came after man's fall.

So in the beginning God created one man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) so it's this arrangement we are returning to in Paradise whoever is not satisfied with this arrangement is not fit for everlasting life in Paradise!

Why did God originally form the woman?

Who was Jesus quoting God or Moses, two shall become one flesh?

Did God ever tell David he could take any or another woman and not his "neighbor's" wife?

Did God ever punish anyone for having more than one wife?

Simple questions if you actually know what is written in the scriptures

StillDtruth:
First, not at the same time for his first wife left on her own and not that he went looking for a 2nd wife to add to her as you greedy people do

Then secondly, he got the permission of God Who saw why his first wife was leaving and unlike everyone else, He saw God directly, "friend to friend" style.

That is why your Catholic church is right in saying you need God to be present to get a divorce.

so basically it is down to God's permission not human ideology, philosophy nor theology

MaxInDHouse:
OP is appealing to CHRISTIANS those who have the assurance of everlasting life.
For your information all servants of God from Abel till John the baptist are yet to get the approval {Matthew 11:11} because they must accept what Jesus taught before they can get approval for everlasting life! John 3:16
Meanwhile they will be resurrected to practice what Jesus taught us within the thousand years of Jesus' reign before their names can be written in the book of life {Revelations 20:15} no man can gain everlasting life without what Jesus taught!

🤣🤣🤣 wait lol, so you know he is "appealing to Christians" and you keep bringing examples from those who don't know "Abrahamic God".


Hmmm, they are yet to be approved 🤔, hmmm, brethren please let's read the Matt 11:11 maybe there awaiting for approval is written there 😁
Matt.11.11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (KJV)

Okay 🤔🙄, so is that they have not accepted the teachings of Jesus but didn't Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration 🙀

"before their names can be written in the book of life" 👀

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StillDtruth:
Yes!

Guilt starts with your mind and the intention to sin. That is why we have the word "premeditation" to catch any guilty person even before he commits an offence.

I once told you to go read up "mens rea" and see where and when a person's guilt starts counting.

😲😳 You once told who what 🙄
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MaxInDHouse:
You have spoken well by saying polygamy is found in the Bible but you need to know that it wasn't permitted for all times.
Take for instance incest was permitted when Adam's descendants were about to procreate they got married to their own siblings, Lot impregnated his own two daughters after the death of their mother and all the men they had in the land of Sodom, Judah (Jacob's fourth son) impregnated his daughter in-law but later God condemned all these acts in the mosaic laws.
When Christ came he made it clear to his disciples that they must not do what they won't accept to their neighbours {Matthew 7:12} and when it comes to marriage they should remember what God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

Regarding polyandry (marrying more than one husband) many cultures around the world are doing it because they don't know the Abrahamic God so if you want to preach Christianity to such ones how do you defend polygamy when it's not what God established in the beginning yet condemned polyandry?

So to establish a balance Christian view we must stick to what God instituted in the beginning because that is what will be applicable in Paradise: One man (Adam) and one woman (Eve)

May you have peace!

You need to state when polygamy stopped being permitted and who brought a stop to it?

At least incest you are trying to associate with polygamy was clearly no more permitted and put an end to, according to the morals written by Moses which permits polygamy as well.

By the way writing Lot impregnated his daughters is a subtle way of avoiding the fact that his daughters got him drunk and "raped" him. Now not sure how you somehow go off point or dont make any 🤦, but Judah sleeping with a widow isn't incest, if it were then the law encouraging siblings to impregnate their late brother's widows who had no children should be promoting incest as well.

Twisting Matt 7:12 to fit your logic is pathetic 🤣🤣 but I do respect you quoting, Matt.19.4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,.. just that Jesus was speaking concerning divorce and not polygamy nor against it. Infact when God spoke in Genesis about Marriage He spoke to the women and not to men.

Well it's common sense that women can only submit to one lord, as the people submit to only one king and to only one God.

Polyandry been practiced shouldnt be an excuse to misuse scripture and suggest an eye for an eye 😅. And to be frank how should a man submit to two different men, who would she truly obey? Do you understand of purpose of what God said in Genesis and the reference made by Jesus to that beginning?

Anyway, you do know that the person Moses who wrote and the man would the joined to his wife, married a second wife 😏😊😄

StillDtruth:
Truly, on the face of it, he went off point.

However, his response is meant to address your aim of using marriage to perpetuate polygamy

For Who is The Ruler of Marriages? Is it God or you men?

If it is you men then you should not bother yourself about the Laws of fornication, and adultery etc for all these are God's Laws.

Therefore you can do as you like and if you have any problems you can go to your men's court for just is.

But if God is The One, then you have other Laws that are burning you right now eg Did you read that as God Judged Ananias so Judged He Sapphira?

Or did you not hear His Law is "An eye for an eye aka if you want an extra wife then your wife has a right to an extra husband?

So you can see when He is ready to punish you, one of Hid Judgements is that your wives shall marry their own husbands as you have done to them.

😂😂 true Max post was off as it can be like that some times but yours here eh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
Surely you are not comfortable sharing your wife with any other man so why do you think any woman will like to share her man with another woman? Matthew 7:12
Well Jesus taught us what will be applicable in Paradise where there won't be oldage, sickness, poverty or death.
So if you want to fit in to that system you have to start practicing what God's Kingdom want now, Paradise is for one man and one woman just as God instituted in the beginning! Matthew 19:4

May you have Peace!

yeah right, because there will be sex and making love in "paradise" 😂

StillDtruth:
You are not the first to think how can commit sin and escape the punishment of God.



In the old, the whole world was full of paganism is why all over the world people practiced the adultery of marrying many wives, whether in Africa or Europe.

So, through Abraham, God started changing the world wide practices of paganism and polygamy.

Which is why you see Christianity came to cut down paganism.



Yes! It is adultery and intent to commit adultery for you are already married.



This is fornication, Whoredom and adultery using the cover of marriage.

You already see the hell that pours out when you have a girl and you went pursuing another one, so how is possible that they would agree?

It is only prostitutes aka whorres who will do that.

So you would be guilty of intent to commit whoredom, whoredom, intent to commit adultery and intent to use marriage to cover adultery, adultery and defiling of the marriage bed etc!

See people planning to deceive God like Ananias and Sapphira. Smh.

so in simple terms you are saying freespirited will be guilty even without evidence?

Well freespirited you would have to get a good advocate because this one is ready to send you to hell o

FreeSpirited:
In Old testament it was normal to marry two or more wives
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I have read the scriptures very well, and I have not found any convincing evidence both in new and old testament that marrying two wives legally is a sin.
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Modern Christians believe that after marrying one wife, if u add another one, then u have committed fornication/adultery. Now I have 2 questions

First question: What if after marrying the first wife, I saw a widow or a virgin, and I never slept with her until after I legally married her as second wife. How will that be term adultery or fornication?

Second question: What if when I wanted to marry my first wife, I instead engaged two women or two virgin, and they both agreed, and I never slept with either of them until after marriage ceremony was done for both of them same day. Is that fornication and how is it fornication/adultery?

I will love your answers with sound scriptural backing....and please read and understand the scenario I painted. Thank you

be it old or new testament there is no command that a man must marry, neither is there a command that a man must marry one woman.

For first question: it is not adultery, adultery is when a woman sleeps with any man who isn't her husband and any man who sleeps with another man's wife.

For second question: it is not fornication, fornicators lack commitment and are selfish pleasure seekers, who are immoral and unfaithful. You neither lied to any nor cheated any, but we're honest.

One thing both a prayer warrior and an Intercessor do is that they pray, but there is a difference between the two and the question I am going to be answering is what is the difference between being a prayer warrior and being an Intercessor.


The simplest way to define prayer is that prayer is communication with God, calling upon His name. And no child of God should develop a habit of getting others to speak to God for them while they themselves don't.

It is okay to pray for others and for others to pray for you but it's a bad habit to not know how to pray nor pray for others while you pay or get others to pray for you.

Now when we talk about Intercession, as children of God we have two primary Intercessors, Jesus, Heb. 7:24-25, Rom. 8:34 and the Holy Spirit, Rom. 8:26-27. Both are our advocates, one with us and one at the right hand of God. These are the two best Intercessors anyone can have, and if you want to win a case you get the best advocates, and to engage any of them you yourself have to pray.

Now the Holy Spirit intercedes through us when we pray in the spirit, in an utterance your mind doesn't understand, for those who have received the gift of God which helps us cry out to God. This is good when you want to pray God's will but you don't know God's will.

And also Jesus intercedes for those who come to God through him, you ask the Father in the name of Jesus, praying with understanding of God's word and according to God's revealed will, if not you are praying amiss and won't be answered.

And to do any of the two, you actually have to be a child of God, and it's God who through His word makes anyone His child. Now those are not yet children of God can still pray to God and ask for mercy, and honestly Jesus has already been interceeding for those who later become children of God. Honestly God hears every thought you have and sees every imagination of your heart. The hard thing isn't God hearing you, is you hearing him and knowing that God has heard you and answers you.

Okay so you have to pray and know how to pray, because even if others pray for you, it is you that has to receive the answer and verify that it is from God.

Anyway, Prayer warrior or Intercessor?
At the heart of intercession is reconciliation, and the purpose of the prayer of intercession is to make peace.

When we look at the term "warrior" whose purpose may be to wage war for the goal of conquest. We should ask ourselves what is the purpose of a "prayer warrior"?!

A prayer warrior can be seen as a person who prays for long, warfare prayers, battling spiritual entities for the purpose of victory. And at times vengeance prayers gets mixed in, when one goes attacking the enemies. Honestly vengeance should come from one crying out to God whom vengeance belongs to, and when you cry out to God for help and justice that's Intercession.
Now Intercession at times can be warfare where one commands in God's authority and in the name of Jesus that God's word and will be established in a situation or in a person's life. So a prayer warrior should be an Intercessor but not all "prayer warriors" are Intercessors. Because wars can be waged for different reasons and purposes. If you have to leave the covering of the almighty because you want to engage the angels of God and show that has a child of God you have dominion, you may not realize that you have been tricked by the devil to tempt God.

So your goal in being in a prayer ministry or being a prayer minister shouldn't be warfare but intercession.

Look a warrior's instinct is to look for a battle or war to fight, and if you get so engrossed in fighting, you can get trapped fighting demons you can't win in battles you were not sent to fight. It's also a demonic trick, one wastes time, could develop "pride of a warrior" satisfaction from praying, or better term, from commanding for hours. You see intercession requires a level of humility both from the Intercessor and from the one being interceded for. We have Abraham and Pharoah, Job and his friends. You see the humility of Daniel, Moses. And note that Intercessors do not enforce their will, infact they cannot change the outcome of God's decision but their Intercession makes God's mercy applicable to that decision of God.

How did Jesus defeat death? It is by submiting to God and dying while trusting God to raise him up. Do you pray because you trust that God is faithful and just, or because you are worried, scared or angry (if you feel like this don't fight the enemy instead cry out to God). Only fight when God has equipped you for it, when you go in with shoes of peace.

Warfare is when one goes against principalities and powers of darkness, and one doesn't go into such without the armor of God which is mainly for defense and protection by the way. The one who has is the one who defends and protects, but the one who steals is the one who attacks. We submit to God so we RESIST the devil who then flees back to where he came from. We RESIST because he is the one coming against us, and because Christ builds us up they do not prevail.

Intercession comes into play when people mistakenly leave God's protection, via disobedience knowingly or unknowingly and find themselves needing to come back. Ministry of reconciliation which goes with prayer of Intercession becomes applicable. There are elders in the body of Christ you can open up to, there are prophets who pray, okay, but still if one is like Saul, Esau, or Judas, hmm it is well.


As children of God, who are royal priests under the priesthood of Christ, we are to be Intercessors for ourselves, for each other, for those around us especially those who are yet to repent from their ways. Intercession should be Holy Spirit led, and one has to be sensitive to the leading and be watchful for it so as to cry out to God for mercy and grace and peace against every storm. There are people around the world you don't yet know that pray for you, and those prayers help you when you can't pray or haven't prayed. So also when you pray in the spirit as well, other lives are helped and touched.

An Intercessor needs to be patient, the long-suffering kind of patience and also peaceful, a peacemaker, go out of your way self sacrificially so that there is the peace of God which pulls down wickedness and silences storms.

So whether you wrestles against the kingdoms of darkness or you cry out for souls and the harvest. Receiving God's answer and leading is the key to binding and loosing victorious.


May God grant us all the grace of Christ as we pray in Jesus name. Amen.

delkuf:
as many as the sons of God.

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Mark:12

[29] Jesus replied, The one that says, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only God.
[32] The teacher of religion replied, Sir, you have spoken a true word in saying that there is only one God and no other.
[33] And I know it is far more important to love him with all my heart and understanding and strength, and to love others as myself, than to offer all kinds of sacrifices on the altar of the Temple.
[34] Realizing this man’s understanding, Jesus said to him, You are not far from the Kingdom of God. And after that, no one dared ask him any more questions.

Holy Bible (TLB) The Living Bible

delkuf:
messenger is different from being sent a message. Messenger is a position while a father can send a son a message. God sending the Lord Jesus to come and die for sins of the world doesn't make the Lord Jesus a messenger. This is very simple to understand. If your father send you a message does that make you his messenger. I don't know how you guys think.

well we don't think are confused as you do.

So God sent his son a message that is why he is not a messenger?

Meanwhile what is recorded is that God send Jesus with the gospel message and all his words and teachings were from God.

You make it sound like God said, this is my beloved son kill him, or whosoever kills my son and drinks his blood shall have eternal life 😂😂😂

immaculatesense:
The word "deliver" means "set free." The knowledge of Christ and his will sets one free from sin.
John 8:31
[31]Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings.

When one through the knowledge of Christ turns away from his old ways to the newness of life. He is free indeed from his old sin and he is now a new being in Christ.
Ephesians 5:1-3,6-8
[1]Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
[2]Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God.
[3]Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.
[6]Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.
[7]Don’t participate in the things these people do.
[8]For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!

So, the knowledge and acceptance of Christ nature and will in our lives sets us from sin.

THANKS.

Jesus set you free from sin, is to set you free from the power of sin, it's influence and control, and from the consequences of sin which is death.

Because we are no "longer slaves to sin" doesn't mean we cannot sin, if we are set free from sin then we do not have to be conscious and watchful not to sin.

StillDtruth:
I was referring to Mathew 7:17-18

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

oh you were? Okay now should we remove verse 21 from the bible for you 🙄

delkuf:
did i said God did not send the Lord Jesus Christ. Read with understand

you that is not confused what did you understand from what you wrote

delkuf:
it is God that sent the Lord Jesus Christ. Don't misquote me. I never said that God didn't send the Lord Jesus.

you wrote that Jesus is not the messenger of God. Right?
Where is the misquote?

Or were you saying God didn't give Jesus a message that's why he is not a messenger?

delkuf:
i think yiu are confuse.

when the devil the author of confusion confuses you, you think others are confused

Okay you that is not confused, explain the John 17:3 they asked you

delkuf:
ok........ The fact that God the heavenly Father sent to the Lord Jesus Christ to earth, does that make the Lord Jesus Christ a messenger. If a boss in a place of work send a subordinate a message, does that mean that subordinate is a messenger to that boss. God sent his son Jesus Christ to earth doesn't mean that the Lord Jesus Christ is a messenger. You should know more that this. Dont read the Bible with a bias mindset. So if your father send you a message, you are on longer a son to your father, you are now a messenger to him. This is very simple to understand

no, your Jesus is god that sent himself, you are interpretating scripture with pride. So those who call themselves servants of Christ are they no more brothers and sisters or Jesus Christ?

delkuf:
the Lord Jesus Christ is not the messenger of God. He is the son of God. No matter how hard you guys are trying to hid this truth, it would not be hidden because our salvation is in the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, the son of God came this world and died for our sins and on the third day, he resurrected from the dead. That is our salvation. That is what make us free from the shackles of sin and the devil. And there is no other way to be truly save

it is your own Jesus that you believe in that God did not send, that one sent himself and his message is from himself but he can't save you because salvation is from God who sent his son, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Emusan:
Let me turn this around.

What is the NATURE of man that makes man to be man?



And your point is....?

so you don't know "the very nature that makes God to be God"?

And you also don't know who Gabriel is referring to in Luke 1.32, whom God will give the throne of his father David?

Truthseeker10:
Bible verse please.

you don't believe what he wrote?

Or are you looking for a verse and translation you can misuse like Ecc 9:10?

StillDtruth:
The problem is, no one can live a righteous life.

Even righteous people first sinned before they decided to start living right doingly.

so Job, Noah, Daniel were no one?

immaculatesense:
Direct answer.
As a believer, Jesus is enough for me to deliver me from sin.
Thanks.

care to explain what it means for Jesus to deliver you from sin?

Emusan:
See question!

That is the very NATURE of God reason why Angels, humans, stone, animals aren't God because all exists in their own NATURE.



What is your point here?

So what is the very nature that makes God to be God?

Luke.1.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,...

delkuf:
sir there is no way you will LEAVE A RIGHTEOUS LIFE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN JESUS. Many of us don't know what the Lord Jesus Christ did by dying on the cross and resurrecting on the 3 day. Jesus dying and resurrecting on the 3 day means we have been exchanged with the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus took our place as a sinner while we became the righteousness of God through Him. 2 cor 5:21 "for he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him". So how can we live a righteous life with believing in Jesus. It is not possible sir

Was Job a righteous man?
Did he believe in Jesus?

buchidinho:
let me shock you!!!

based on the question asked ,the truth is Sin is the only thing that takes one to hell.
if you believe in Jesus you will definitely obey his commandments ,which is to abstain from sin.
that said , if you leave a rightous life without believing in Jesus, u will definitely make heaven.
why do I say ,I'm saying so because before Christ existence they were rightous people who had died before Christ coming .when they died Christ went to the dead and released them into paradise

righteousness2 have you read this post?

Righteousness2:
Not Believing in JESUS CHRIST is the Greatest sin of all.

It does not Matter how religious you are,
It does not Matter how Good, Kind , wonderful or philantrophic you are,
It does not Matter if you fast throughout the year,

If you do not BELIEVE and SURRENDER TO THE LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST! You are Heading to the LAKE OF FIRE

Rev 21:8 you quoted you highlighted only believe but ingnore the rest of what was written. Why is that?

According to you, no matter how innocent of they are, if they are not cowardly, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, nor liars, as long as they do not believe they will perish. Is this what you believe and teach?

Righteousness2:
Everyone on Earth who does not Believe and SURRENDER to the LORD JESUS CHRIST is heading to Hell.

what is the purpose of believing in Jesus?